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DMSCR
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March 29th, 2013 at 4:00:51 PM permalink
Hello gr8player,

Good to see you in here. Wondered where you would of went with the now defunct useless BF.

Anyhow dropped by the Borgata recently. Very nice casino/hotel. Love the clientele there. Pretty good baccarat tables I can say. All EZ Bac and..... they cut two decks!!!! Two decks. Yet a six deck of cards with eight deck characteristics seem to generate some great patterns I can play.

Also if you like playing by yourself and likes the unlimited free hands feature like they do in Vegas drop by the Showboat.

And.... the Revel sucks. Trump is crap. Terrible service.
gr8player
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April 1st, 2013 at 8:16:45 AM permalink
Hello, D-man....how've you been? A real pleasure to see you posting again. A real pleasure to see a real Bac player. As you can readily see, my request within the very title of this thread has, apparently, been simply ignored. While I agree about the fallen quality at BF, I sure do wish there were a Bac forum where serious players could relate experiences and compare notes.

Yes, D...there's the Borgata in 1st place in AC and everyone else a distant third. Luv that place. And some generous match plays mixed in with a $10 fantastic buffet (w/current Black card)....not to mention the babe watching.

Patterns, D? You're a "two- and three-hole" trender/bettor, aren't you? As am I.

Revel...never been, probably never will (their no-smoking policy is a non-starter for me).
Trump Plaza used to be one of the very best Bac houses in town...now it's a ghost town.
Bally's is good, but too much "midi" Bac for my liking. S l o w w w ... I simply haven't the luxury of unlimited casino time.

What's this about "unlimited free hands" at the Showboat? Haven't heard, but it sure sounds interesting......

Anyhow, again, D, nice to hear from you. Be well, my friend.
teddys
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April 1st, 2013 at 1:47:36 PM permalink
Good to see some serious Bac players here. Hope you guys can reach the volume of the craps posters.

Was always a fan of the Smart Baccarat blog. Whatever happened to him?
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
DMSCR
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April 1st, 2013 at 4:59:44 PM permalink
The Borgata. My first time there ever was a month ago to see how things are in AC. I love Vegas and all but that 6 hour plane ride is just too brutal. Plus I can head straight to AC from the Port Authority right after work. A room at the Showboat is $14/night and the bus at $34.50 round trip. Can't be beat.

At first that two deck cut at the EZ Bac tables were intimidating since that is the first ever I have seen to cut 8-decks so deep. So I didn't know how things would go so I just flat bet to test three or four shoes. Yet I realized that this gives me some great advantage and matches many of the patterns that I play and recently discovered. This same goes for the Trump Plaza but the service is terrible. The food is amazing at the Borgata. Didn't try the buffet but I did stop by that Noodles of the World (N.O.W). Awesome food.

If you don't know Revel is allowing smoking on its floor starting today. But there are only two tables there and it is always empty. Maybe that will change.

As for Unlimited Free Hands. That is the corner stone to having a temporal/structural advantage and as to why I prefer Vegas. Free Hands is when you don't have to bet and the dealer just deals the cards to move the shoe. When it is unlimited you can just sit there and have the dealer just deal the cards until you are ready to bet. If you like playing by yourself like me then you would love this. The second best is if they allow you to just spread bet both sides to move the shoe. Not many dealers/casinos allow this. I know Caesar's in Vegas does not allow it. And for a brief time Encore in Vegas didn't allow it either until the clientele raised major hell about this.

Yet free hands are not allowed in EZ Bac because no commissions are charged. So you have to play every hand to move the shoe yet at places like the Borgata that would not be an issue since that place is always packed. Thank goodness that the Dragon Bonus bac is gone since things were not to my advantage when every casino in the East Coast was having this.
DMSCR
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April 1st, 2013 at 5:09:13 PM permalink
As for BF, not a fan of the place after what I discovered about Mike/Administrator and his purpose to start that forum. It was not about baccarat at all and more about traffic and generating income. That is why it is now defunct because it is not aligning his pockets as before. So whatever useful info can be gone very quickly without notice like we have discovered now.
treetopbuddy
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April 2nd, 2013 at 7:00:15 AM permalink
O.K......here's a Bac post. Poor Bac players don't get any respect.....it's all about Lice Control....I mean Dice Control. Just started playing Bac for the first time in my 30 plus years of losing. What is this obsession with the "history board"? (or whatever it's called). WTF are they looking at...? If I'm on Player, everybody is on Banker and visa versa. I guess "round eye" doesn't know WTF he is doing......which would make them right.
Each day is better than the next
gr8player
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April 2nd, 2013 at 12:13:05 PM permalink
TeddyS, I know nothing of any "Smart Baccarat" blog, so I cannot comment.

D-man, thanks again for the additional info. And, yeah, it was tough to see BF go down, especially with some of the rather pertinant posts/posters going down with it. Shame.....

Treetopbuddy, the "history board", or the shoe "tracking", is what attracts most players to this game. Players, such as myself, look for certain things; those things can be prevailing trends or they can be what some might consider "abnormalities"; either one represents certain betting opportunities.

It doesn't make us right. It doesn't make us wrong. It's just a basis for placing a bet. Then, win or lose, we have a response to those results, as well.

It's a game we play. With ourselves. It can be rather subjective, but, my friend, know this: I wouldn't have it any other way. I'm a hunter, they're the prey, and I'm taking constant/consistant "shots" at them, picking my spots all along the way.....and I usually prevail. Again, it's all in the game we play.

i wish you all the very best of it.
DMSCR
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April 2nd, 2013 at 5:34:01 PM permalink
The history board is just raw data because everything is just 50/50. Yet knowing how to uncover patterns, patterns within patterns, patterns of the patterns, etc with the board (I use the Main Road and nothing else) will reduce your variance close to your Expected Return Per Shoe which ever you discover that may be since we all have different profit targets and stop losses. Baccarat is the only game I would even dare to touch at a casino I have to admit. Roulette, black jack, craps, Casino War, Pai Gow whatever.... typical casino games I stay away like the plague.
gr8player
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April 3rd, 2013 at 9:03:24 AM permalink
Spot-on post, D-man; good job, as per usual.

"Reducing our variance" is key. "Profit targets" and "stop losses" are more of a personal nature, and rather dependent on our own unit sizes. But variance is the common denominator; a "wide" variance necessitates the usage of steeper progressions and, hence, lower intial unit sizes, and, ultimately, lower profitability. With more stress, not just on one's BR but their psyche, as well. So it's the "variance reduction" that we all strive for; the "tighter" the better, the more tractable (read: consistently reliable....hesitating to use the word "predictable" here, but would prefer it) the better.

Lastly, D, I'd bet "dollars to donuts" that you prefer Bac over those other house-banked games because you've successfully developed a method at this game that has you confident in your bet selection and money-management capabilities, and that all translates to rather expectant/consistent successes (read: wins).

As always, I wish you all the very best of it.
DMSCR
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April 3rd, 2013 at 4:57:05 PM permalink
What I am afraid of about baccarat is not my method(s) going stale and I have been defeated by the game and I have to close shop (knock on wood). What I am truly afraid of is baccarat becoming games like black jack and poker. When the game has become efficient. I mean by this is that some Thorp-like genius comes in and opens his/her trap and ruins the game for everyone. For the moment drop by your local Barnes & Noble and head to the gaming section. You see tons and tons of books on black jack and poker. I know many of these books are fluff but there are many that are worthy of the paper they are written on. Like the famous Beat the Dealer for black jack or The Mental Game of Poker by Jared Tendler. These great books have truly given the player the edge to extract money at the tables. I don't want this to happen to baccarat at all. I want this game to remain elusive for the masses where not many people would be jumping into this. For those that do I want them to be naive and be possessed by their own greed, fear and hope without the willing effort to put in the work to keep the illusion going so the casinos would not have to adjust and adapt new ways to make it hard to extract chips from the table to my pockets.

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