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March 2nd, 2022 at 6:30:48 PM permalink
WoV love games so let's discuss the latest thing -- Wordle. This is a daily word puzzle from the New York Times. Here are the rules.

  1. The object is to find solve for the word of the day in as few turns as possible, with a maximum of six.
  2. The word of the day is always five letters.
  3. The player may submit any five-letter word as a turn. Non-existent words may not be used.
  4. After submitting a turn, the game will mark correct letters in position in green, correct letters out of position in yellow, and letters that aren't in the word of the day in grey.
  5. I am not sure how it works if the word of the day or the guess have multiple identical letters, but imagine Master Mind rules would be followed.







Here I chose AUDIO as my first word. I chose it because it has lots of vowels. I was told only the A was correct, but in the wrong position.
For my second guess, I went with GRANT. I was told the A was still there but out of position. An N and T were also correct, but out of position.
For my third guess, I went with TANKS (perhaps because I just watched the news). I was told the A was in the right position and the T, N, and S were out of position.
For my fourth turn, I correctly chose NASTY.


That said, let's play and share results. I would like to state in advance that I suck at word puzzles and I probably won't get the answer in four guesses very often.

The question for the poll is what do you think of Wordle?
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March 2nd, 2022 at 6:57:00 PM permalink
My strategy is usually just to eliminate a bunch of the most commonly used letters with the first three words.
I usually do POINT - READS - MULCH as my first three, unless it becomes clear earlier.

The only one I havenít solved was my first day when I had no idea what I was doing.

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March 2nd, 2022 at 7:14:07 PM permalink
Those look like very impressive scores. I have played only twice, with a 4 and a 6.
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March 2nd, 2022 at 7:59:57 PM permalink
If you decide that Wordle is too easy for you, try Quordle, four Wordles at the same time, or even Octordle, eight Wordles at the same time.

If you wanna test your prurient mind, try Lewdle. It's Wordle, but every guess must be dirty.

But the one that will likely be popular among this forum is Nerdle, which is Wordle with a mathematical equation instead of a word.
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March 2nd, 2022 at 8:14:17 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

My strategy is usually just to eliminate a bunch of the most commonly used letters with the first three words.
I usually do POINT - READS - MULCH as my first three, unless it becomes clear earlier.

The only one I havenít solved was my first day when I had no idea what I was doing.


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Looks about like my distribution. Perfect over a couple months. Twice got it on second try. Only needed all 6 twice. Once you get the hang of it itís not that hard.
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March 2nd, 2022 at 8:16:09 PM permalink
New York Times, huh? Iíll pass.
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March 3rd, 2022 at 4:55:04 AM permalink
Got it in five today.



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March 3rd, 2022 at 6:20:05 AM permalink
There's also a "hard mode" (when you see someone's score with an asterisk, that means hard mode was used), where once a letter is marked as being in the word, it must be used in all subsequent guesses, and if it is marked as being in the correct spot, it has to be used in that spot. This defeats a standard MasterMind-type strategy of using incorrect guesses to get more information about the word.
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March 3rd, 2022 at 8:38:40 AM permalink
We enjoy playing AZUL, and there is an on-line version now called AZEE. A fun strategy game and easy to understand how to play.

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March 3rd, 2022 at 6:33:35 PM permalink
Based on this thread, I decided to download Wordle and play it.

I can't make this up: I solved it in 2 words.


I started with TRIES because it had two vowels and common letters.

T and R were green, and S was yellow! Very lucky.

the S clearly needed to be the 4th letter, so all I could think of was:

TRASH.

And that was the solution.
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March 3rd, 2022 at 6:33:40 PM permalink
Based on this thread, I decided to download Wordle and play it.

I can't make this up: I solved it in 2 words. My first time ever.

I started with TRIES because it had two vowels and common letters.

T and R were green, and S was yellow! Very lucky.

the S clearly needed to be the 4th letter, so all I could think of was:

TRASH.

And that was the solution.
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March 3rd, 2022 at 6:49:00 PM permalink
Stupid question -- On any given day does everyone get the same word or a random one?
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March 3rd, 2022 at 7:02:50 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Stupid question -- On any given day does everyone get the same word or a random one?
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I think the same word. There was an article recently about wordle cheating.
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March 3rd, 2022 at 7:23:58 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Based on this thread, I decided to download Wordle and play it.

I can't make this up: I solved it in 2 words.


I started with TRIES because it had two vowels and common letters.

T and R were green, and S was yellow! Very lucky.

the S clearly needed to be the 4th letter, so all I could think of was:

TRASH.

And that was the solution.

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Wordle is not an app, it's a website. If you're playing an app, you're playing a knockoff and will be playing a different word than the rest of us.
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March 3rd, 2022 at 7:26:03 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Stupid question -- On any given day does everyone get the same word or a random one?
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Everyone who plays on the NYT website should get the same word, although there have been reports of some people inexplicably getting a different word from others. Probably as a result of the original powerlanguage website now redirecting to the NYT website.
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March 4th, 2022 at 3:39:25 AM permalink
Havenít played it yet but I read that trace is the best word to start with and crate is just slightly behind as 2nd best.
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March 4th, 2022 at 5:16:28 AM permalink
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Havenít played it yet but I read that trace is the best word to start with ...
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I tried that today and got it in 4.



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March 4th, 2022 at 9:05:41 AM permalink
I love the game nerdle. It's basically wordle, but a math equation.

I have a streak of 10 days in a row getting it in 3 or less.
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March 4th, 2022 at 10:15:19 AM permalink
In answer to the poll question of when did "The Ukraine" become "Ukraine," it's 1991.
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March 4th, 2022 at 11:24:53 AM permalink
Quote: mwalz9

I love the game nerdle. It's basically wordle, but a math equation.

I have a streak of 10 days in a row getting it in 3 or less.
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Here is a link to Nerdle. I just tried for the first time and surprisingly got it in two turns.



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March 4th, 2022 at 11:48:53 AM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

Quote: gordonm888

Based on this thread, I decided to download Wordle and play it.

I can't make this up: I solved it in 2 words.


I started with TRIES because it had two vowels and common letters.

T and R were green, and S was yellow! Very lucky.

the S clearly needed to be the 4th letter, so all I could think of was:

TRASH.

And that was the solution.

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Wordle is not an app, it's a website. If you're playing an app, you're playing a knockoff and will be playing a different word than the rest of us.
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I'm on a desktop computer, and you are correct - its a website.
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March 4th, 2022 at 11:49:07 AM permalink
Just curious as to why you used the digit 4 twice in your initial guess?

I try to use 8 unique digits in my first guess so I can see what symbols/numbers are used quickly.

I typically start with 9+8-7=10
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March 4th, 2022 at 11:57:18 AM permalink
Poor mathler isn't getting any attention.
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March 4th, 2022 at 11:59:56 AM permalink
The solution to Wordle can definitely have repetitions of the same letter. I just had one 5-letter puzzle in which the solution had a total of three different letters,
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March 4th, 2022 at 12:05:28 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

The solution to Wordle can definitely have repetitions of the same letter. I just had one 5-letter puzzle in which the solution had a total of three different letters,
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I agree. Im not saying one strategy is better than any other. I just like to use 8 unique digits in nerdle and 5 unique commonly used digits in WORDLE for my 1st guess.

I use 9+8-7=10 to start nerdle and STARE to start WORDLE daily.
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March 4th, 2022 at 4:52:41 PM permalink
Quote: mwalz9

Quote: gordonm888

The solution to Wordle can definitely have repetitions of the same letter. I just had one 5-letter puzzle in which the solution had a total of three different letters,
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I agree. Im not saying one strategy is better than any other. I just like to use 8 unique digits in nerdle and 5 unique commonly used digits in WORDLE for my 1st guess.

I use 9+8-7=10 to start nerdle and STARE to start WORDLE daily.
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I have now played nerdle quite a few times and I have never seen a 0 digit used in a solution. There may actually be some reasons why use of a 0 may tend to make a nerdle solution use some digits repetitively. What have others seen?
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March 4th, 2022 at 9:32:56 PM permalink
Just did my first Wordle in 4 guesses.
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March 5th, 2022 at 5:54:40 AM permalink
Four turns today.



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March 5th, 2022 at 4:12:23 PM permalink
3 turns today 3/6/22
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March 5th, 2022 at 4:22:26 PM permalink
There is/was a Wordle bot challenge going at one point - kind of a fun problem to solve programmatically. I think some of the best bots average 3.4 guesses per round with 100% win rate.
This was my snail-paced code - averages closer to 4.2 guesses but it works.



import random as r
import pandas as pd
import numpy as np
from collections import Counter
from itertools import chain
pd.options.mode.chained_assignment = None # default='warn'

threshold = 0.1 # word probability at which robot will guess actual answers instead of information seek

#words = ['forms', 'moist', 'proxy', 'witch', 'point', 'bikes', 'lemon', 'piked', 'spike', 'wipes', 'swipe', 'frank', 'clown']
words = []
with open("wordle_library.txt", "r") as f:
for line in f:
words.append(line.strip())

answers = []
with open("wordle_answers.txt", "r") as g:
for line in g:
answers.append(line.strip())

library = pd.DataFrame(words, columns=['word'])

def score_table():
i = library
i["guess_value"] = ""
i["answer_prob"] = ""
return i

def guesses_table():
i = pd.DataFrame(columns=['guess', '1', '2', '3', '4', '5'])
return i

def pick_word(a = answers):
i = r.randint(0, len(a)-1)
return a

def guess_word(guess, comparison):
output = [guess]

for l in range(0, 5):
if guess
== comparison
:
output.append('rp')
elif guess
in comparison:
output.append('r')
else:
output.append('n')
return output

def update_letter_weights(word_list):

letter_counts = pd.DataFrame.from_dict(Counter(chain.from_iterable(word_list['word'])), orient='index').reset_index()
letter_counts = letter_counts.rename(columns={'index': 'letter', 0: 'count'})
letter_counts['weight'] = letter_counts.apply(lambda x: x['count']/letter_counts['count'].sum(), axis=1)

return letter_counts

def guess_value(word, letters):
w = 0
unique_letters = list(set(word))
for i in unique_letters:
w += letters['weight'].loc[letters[letters['letter'] == i].index[0]]
return w


def update_probabilities(word_list, last_guess):

n_letters = []
r_letters = []
rp_letters = []
all_letters = last_guess[0]

for l in last_guess[0]:
letter = last_guess[last_guess[0].find(l) + 1]
if letter == 'n':
n_letters.append(l)
elif letter == 'r':
r_letters.append(l)
elif letter == 'rp':
rp_letters.append(l)


for i in range(0, len(word_list)):
word = word_list['word']
k = 0
#for j in all_letters:
# if j in word:
# k += 1

y = 0
for j in n_letters: # Check if word contains known non-letters
if j in word:
k += 1
for u in r_letters: # Check that word contains known letters
if u not in word:
y += 1
elif word.find(u) == last_guess[0].find(u):
k += 1
for m in rp_letters:
pos = answer.find(m) # Check that word contains known letters in the right place
if word[pos] != m:
y += 1

if k > 0 or y > 0:
word_list['answer_prob'] = 0
if k > 0:
word_list['guess_value'] = 0

#Calculate Answer Probabilities
word_list['answer_prob'] = np.where(word_list.answer_prob != 0, 1 / len(word_list[word_list['answer_prob'] != 0]), word_list.answer_prob)

#set probability of remaining words
word_list = update_guess_value(word_list)
return word_list


def update_guess_value(word_list):
letter_weights = update_letter_weights(word_list[word_list['guess_value'] != 0])
word_list['guess_value'] = word_list.apply(lambda row: guess_value(row['word'], letter_weights) if row['guess_value'] != 0 else 0, axis=1)
return word_list

def generate_guess(word_list, x = threshold):

max_prob = word_list['answer_prob'].max()
#print(max_prob)

if max_prob == '':
max_prob = 0

if max_prob >= x:
guess = word_list['word'].loc[word_list[word_list['answer_prob'] == max_prob].index[0]]
if max_prob < x:
#print(word_list.sort_values('guess_value', ascending=False).head(10))
guess = word_list['word'].loc[word_list[word_list['guess_value'] == word_list['guess_value'].max()].index[0]]

return guess

def check_win(guess,answer):
if guess == answer:
return True
else:
return False


#Simulate
wins = 0
total_guesses = 0
rounds = 1
for i in range(0,rounds):
scores = score_table()
guesses = guesses_table()
answer = pick_word()
answer = 'bench'
scores = update_guess_value(scores)
#print(scores.sort_values('guess_value', ascending=True).head(10)) # worst words
print("Target Word: " + answer)
k = 1
while k <= 6:
win = 0
guesses.loc[len(guesses)] = guess_word(generate_guess(scores), answer)
scores = update_probabilities(scores, guesses.iloc[-1].tolist())
print(guesses.iloc[-1].tolist())
if check_win(guesses.iloc[-1].tolist()[0],answer):
win = 1
break
k += 1

wins += win
total_guesses += k

print("Guesses per Round: " + str(round(total_guesses/rounds,2)))
print("Win Rate: " + str(round(wins/rounds,2)))

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March 5th, 2022 at 8:11:12 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

There was an article recently about wordle cheating.



I do not understand why folks cheat. I do like you can share your results and not give away the answer to others. Unless, of course, you publicly state your first guess(es).

In the options, you can designate "hard mode"; which I find is really not much harder.

I usually solve the puzzle in 3-4 moves. A few took me a bit more, a couple I didn't solve, and I guessed it in two once.
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March 6th, 2022 at 5:23:48 AM permalink
Four turns today.



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March 6th, 2022 at 1:54:08 PM permalink
Ugh. Five turns for me today.

Wordle 260 5/6*

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March 6th, 2022 at 3:17:09 PM permalink
I've been meaning to see what Wordle was all about. Until today, I knew NOTHING about the game. Nothing... other than the fact that I see several of my Facebook friends posting their results each day. Up until now, I had no interest in learning. (Too busy doing other things, I guess.)

I like it. It has a huge MasterMind feel, of course, and I used to LOVE to play MasterMind when I was a kid. Although I'm not a huge word game fan, I have enjoyed playing some word games in the past, notably Scrabble.

What's considered cheating? Can I look at a word list to help determine what words the puzzle could be?

I solved today's Times puzzle, my very first Wordle puzzle ever, in three attempts. However, I did pull up a word list to help narrow down my choices.
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March 6th, 2022 at 3:40:04 PM permalink
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What's considered cheating? Can I look at a word list to help determine what words the puzzle could be?



Maybe cheating is too strong a word. I suppose some would search for the answer to keep their stats 'better'. If you want to use a word list, cool. If I don't, cool. We win the same prize.

In the end, I think it's a fun game too.
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March 6th, 2022 at 3:53:03 PM permalink
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I solved today's Times puzzle, my very first Wordle puzzle ever, in three attempts. However, I did pull up a word list to help narrow down my choices.
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"Cheating" is a harsh word.
If you reference a word list, I think you should mention it if comparing your performance with others.

Only you can decide how much creativity with the card handling is "cheating" at your solitaire game.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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March 6th, 2022 at 6:10:34 PM permalink
4 turns for me also.never heard of chota or grone though. Guess I will look them up
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March 6th, 2022 at 6:13:22 PM permalink
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March 6th, 2022 at 6:42:30 PM permalink
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Four turns today.

fyi... Note that CHOTA your third guess, could not possibly have been valid. (There were no As in the word, as shown from the first clue.)
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March 6th, 2022 at 7:16:08 PM permalink
Here's an example of when you would play an impossible guess, if you wished to lower your solution row expectancy.

Let's say you played the word FRANK on your first guess, and received feedback indicating RANK were all perfect.

Well done, right? Well... not so fast. Yes, there are only five valid words left (BRANK - CRANK - DRANK - PRANK - TRANK, assuming the ENABLE word list is used) bu all five words are equally possible.

Your solution expectancy from this point forward is Row 4... with three more guesses on the average needed. (1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5) / 5 = 15 / 5 = Row 3 plus the one guess already used = Row 4.

Guessing any of these words is as good as another. (One could argue that BRANK and TRANK are less likely to be the solution than the other three words, but we can ignore that for the sake of this discussion.) Note that any invalid guesses don't help your case any, other than to simply eliminate that guess.

However, if your second guess is BCDPT, that solution will, of course, be invalid... but with the feedback you receive you'll then know exactly what the code is! This invalid guess will guarantee a solution on your third guess, and lower your overall solution expectancy by a full row, from 4 to 3.

This type of idea comes up in MasterMind all the time, especially Super MasterMind, with the addition of the extra peg slot and the extra colors that are used. Sometimes it's best to play a guess that you know is invalid, when it will provide more feedback than you would get otherwise.
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March 6th, 2022 at 7:36:07 PM permalink
Of course, my previous post assumes you can play invalid words. Having never played before today, I don't know if that is possible. (Most likely it is not.) The general idea though, is still correct, and it does work for MasterMind, since there's no rule about submitting a guess that is not possible.
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March 6th, 2022 at 8:10:50 PM permalink
Quote: EdCollins

Of course, my previous post assumes you can play invalid words. Having never played before today, I don't know if that is possible.



From my experience, Wordle will not provide feedback on invalid words.
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March 6th, 2022 at 8:15:07 PM permalink
Good to know. Thanks.
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March 6th, 2022 at 11:42:57 PM permalink
3/7/22 4 tryís today but it took me 10-15 minutes. This was my hardest yet.
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March 7th, 2022 at 3:04:48 AM permalink


After my initial guess for today's puzzle (3/7/2022), there were only two words left... and yet I picked the wrong one.



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March 7th, 2022 at 7:11:21 AM permalink
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Four turns today.

fyi... Note that CHOTA your third guess, could not possibly have been valid. (There were no As in the word, as shown from the first clue.)
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I know. I couldn't think of any valid guesses, so went with something that was close to being valid.
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March 7th, 2022 at 7:31:07 AM permalink
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After my initial guess for today's puzzle (3/7/2022), there were only two words left... and yet I picked the wrong one.
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I think I was in the same boat, unless there are qualifying words I don't know about.

Five turns today.

My average turns over 7 games is 32/7 = 4.57.



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March 7th, 2022 at 9:18:48 AM permalink
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After my initial guess for today's puzzle (3/7/2022), there were only two words left... and yet I picked the wrong one.




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Incorrect. I tried the correct first 4 letters with a Y as the last letter. That was a third possibility after you got letters 2,3, and 4 correct.
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March 7th, 2022 at 9:25:34 AM permalink
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Incorrect. I tried the correct first 4 letters with a Y as the last letter. That was a third possibility after you got letters 2,3, and 4 correct.



What was the third possibility?

According to a website that listed the entire word list that the site uses, only...


...board and hoard were valid after my first guess, with that feedback I was given.
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March 7th, 2022 at 9:52:33 AM permalink
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Quote: SOOPOO

Incorrect. I tried the correct first 4 letters with a Y as the last letter. That was a third possibility after you got letters 2,3, and 4 correct.



What was the third possibility?

According to a website that listed the entire word list that the site uses, only...


...board and hoard were valid after my first guess, with that feedback I was given.

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Hoary is definitely a word. No idea if Wordle uses is.
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