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IndyJeffrey
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March 5th, 2022 at 8:11:12 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

There was an article recently about wordle cheating.



I do not understand why folks cheat. I do like you can share your results and not give away the answer to others. Unless, of course, you publicly state your first guess(es).

In the options, you can designate "hard mode"; which I find is really not much harder.

I usually solve the puzzle in 3-4 moves. A few took me a bit more, a couple I didn't solve, and I guessed it in two once.
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March 6th, 2022 at 5:23:48 AM permalink
Four turns today.



“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” -- Carl Sagan
IndyJeffrey
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March 6th, 2022 at 1:54:08 PM permalink
Ugh. Five turns for me today.

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EdCollins
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March 6th, 2022 at 3:17:09 PM permalink
I've been meaning to see what Wordle was all about. Until today, I knew NOTHING about the game. Nothing... other than the fact that I see several of my Facebook friends posting their results each day. Up until now, I had no interest in learning. (Too busy doing other things, I guess.)

I like it. It has a huge MasterMind feel, of course, and I used to LOVE to play MasterMind when I was a kid. Although I'm not a huge word game fan, I have enjoyed playing some word games in the past, notably Scrabble.

What's considered cheating? Can I look at a word list to help determine what words the puzzle could be?

I solved today's Times puzzle, my very first Wordle puzzle ever, in three attempts. However, I did pull up a word list to help narrow down my choices.
IndyJeffrey
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March 6th, 2022 at 3:40:04 PM permalink
Quote: EdCollins

What's considered cheating? Can I look at a word list to help determine what words the puzzle could be?



Maybe cheating is too strong a word. I suppose some would search for the answer to keep their stats 'better'. If you want to use a word list, cool. If I don't, cool. We win the same prize.

In the end, I think it's a fun game too.
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March 6th, 2022 at 3:53:03 PM permalink
Quote: EdCollins

I solved today's Times puzzle, my very first Wordle puzzle ever, in three attempts. However, I did pull up a word list to help narrow down my choices.
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"Cheating" is a harsh word.
If you reference a word list, I think you should mention it if comparing your performance with others.

Only you can decide how much creativity with the card handling is "cheating" at your solitaire game.
May the cards fall in your favor.
avianrandy
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March 6th, 2022 at 6:10:34 PM permalink
4 turns for me also.never heard of chota or grone though. Guess I will look them up
avianrandy
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March 6th, 2022 at 6:13:22 PM permalink
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EdCollins
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March 6th, 2022 at 6:42:30 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Four turns today.

fyi... Note that CHOTA your third guess, could not possibly have been valid. (There were no As in the word, as shown from the first clue.)
EdCollins
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March 6th, 2022 at 7:16:08 PM permalink
Here's an example of when you would play an impossible guess, if you wished to lower your solution row expectancy.

Let's say you played the word FRANK on your first guess, and received feedback indicating RANK were all perfect.

Well done, right? Well... not so fast. Yes, there are only five valid words left (BRANK - CRANK - DRANK - PRANK - TRANK, assuming the ENABLE word list is used) bu all five words are equally possible.

Your solution expectancy from this point forward is Row 4... with three more guesses on the average needed. (1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5) / 5 = 15 / 5 = Row 3 plus the one guess already used = Row 4.

Guessing any of these words is as good as another. (One could argue that BRANK and TRANK are less likely to be the solution than the other three words, but we can ignore that for the sake of this discussion.) Note that any invalid guesses don't help your case any, other than to simply eliminate that guess.

However, if your second guess is BCDPT, that solution will, of course, be invalid... but with the feedback you receive you'll then know exactly what the code is! This invalid guess will guarantee a solution on your third guess, and lower your overall solution expectancy by a full row, from 4 to 3.

This type of idea comes up in MasterMind all the time, especially Super MasterMind, with the addition of the extra peg slot and the extra colors that are used. Sometimes it's best to play a guess that you know is invalid, when it will provide more feedback than you would get otherwise.

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