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April 4th, 2022 at 12:23:58 PM permalink

Wordle 289 4/6

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April 4th, 2022 at 8:21:06 PM permalink

4 today April 4

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April 5th, 2022 at 3:46:04 AM permalink

Wordle 290 5/6

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Another 5/6 for me today.

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April 5th, 2022 at 4:43:51 AM permalink

Yet another five for me too. The guessing game never seems to go my way.

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April 5th, 2022 at 5:01:52 AM permalink

Wordle 290 3/6

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April 5th, 2022 at 10:40:31 AM permalink

Quote: Mosca
Wordle 290 3/6

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Good one Mosca!

Wordle 290 4/6

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April 5th, 2022 at 12:17:02 PM permalink

I failed today. I probably would have gotten it if I didn�t mess up on my second word by using a letter I already knew wasn�t in it. I just started randomly guessing words at the end because I just brain farted the word.

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April 5th, 2022 at 1:03:49 PM permalink

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I failed today. I probably would have gotten it if I didn�t mess up on my second word by using a letter I already knew wasn�t in it. I just started randomly guessing words at the end because I just brain farted the word.

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Miplet, I didn't know the last three turns you used today were real words. Maybe my vocabulary isn't very good, but I never seen Wordle use an obscure dictionary word before, although trope (April 2 word) came kind of close.

I should probably look over Wordle history, but my strategy is to go with words in everyday use, when given the choice.

I would be interested in other opinions on this.

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April 5th, 2022 at 1:29:50 PM permalink

Quote: Wizard
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I failed today. I probably would have gotten it if I didn�t mess up on my second word by using a letter I already knew wasn�t in it. I just started randomly guessing words at the end because I just brain farted the word.

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Miplet, I didn't know the last three turns you used today were real words. Maybe my vocabulary isn't very good, but I never seen Wordle use an obscure dictionary word before, although trope (April 2 word) came kind of close.

I should probably look over Wordle history, but my strategy is to go with words in everyday use, when given the choice.

I would be interested in other opinions on this.
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I literally went through each letter that was left in my head. I either missed the correct letter or read it wrong, so I just started entering letters until it accepted a word.

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April 5th, 2022 at 1:49:19 PM permalink

I had a similar issue with the 3/28 Wordle. I think I counted 8 possible first letters that would make a word, when the last 4 letters were known. My solution was to use a word that had all (or most) of the possible remaining letters (I had eliminated 3 of the possibilities with my first two words).

After your guess of FATAL for #3, you could have used a word that contains D, R, and K for guess #4. The only one I can think of would be DRINK, which would have given you the N. Even if the D-R-K word didn't have an N, it would have eliminated those three from the realm of possibilities.

Other than that, I agree with Wiz that If I had to just guess (as I would, if I were playing Hard Mode), I would start with less obscure words before moving to the more obscure ones.

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April 5th, 2022 at 2:16:16 PM permalink

Quote: Wizard
Miplet, I didn't know the last three turns you used today were real words. Maybe my vocabulary isn't very good, but I never seen Wordle use an obscure dictionary word before, although trope (April 2 word) came kind of close.

I should probably look over Wordle history, but my strategy is to go with words in everyday use, when given the choice.

I would be interested in other opinions on this.

Gong with a strategy of using everyday words is more than fine... because those types of words will surely be possible valid answers. Miplet's last three words were all valid guesses (obviously) but all three of them were not valid as answers.

ALL of the "obscure" words were removed. Words like AKKAS, BASIJ, CHEKA, DOSEH, EMEUS, FOGOU, GANEV, HAZAN, IMMIX, JEMBE, KAAMA, LANAI, MZEES, NARAS, OHMIC, PAREU, QAPIK, RHEUM, SAMAN, TAZZA, ULZIE, VEHME, WAMUS, XOANA, YAPOL, ZIGAN

10,658 words are valid guesses in Wordle, but not valid answers. It's a long, long list, Within this list there are not hundreds and hundreds but thousands and thousands of these types of obscure words. (I had no problems in picking one starting with each letter of the alphabet.)

And yet they HAVE to remove all of these words to make it a fun game. Can you imagine the uproar if words like AIDOI, or DARZI or YBORE, for example, was ever the answer to a puzzle? Few would want to play. It wouldn't be a popular game at all. (Heck, a lot of people had problems with SHAWL A lot had never heard of that word.)

It will be very, very rare when an obscure word that is NOT a valid answer will be the best guess and if so, it probably won't be better by much. More than fine to just use normal, common words as guesses.

I've read that ADIEU is a very popular guess. (It's over-rated, however. It's not really very good at all.) And yet even ADIEU is not a valid answer. My favorite starting word, SALET, is also not valid as an answer. (Which means I'll never get lucky and stumble upon a solution in one row.)

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April 5th, 2022 at 8:48:46 PM permalink

Tough one today April 5 still got a 4 though

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April 6th, 2022 at 1:35:55 AM permalink

Back on track

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April 6th, 2022 at 1:51:05 AM permalink

Took me just a little bit longer when I was putzing around on the last line before I got it.

Wordle 291 5/6

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April 6th, 2022 at 3:59:49 AM permalink

Quote: Wizard
Maybe my vocabulary isn't very good, but I never seen Wordle use an obscure dictionary word before, although trope (April 2 word) came kind of close.

I should probably look over Wordle history, but my strategy is to go with words in everyday use, when given the choice.

I would be interested in other opinions on this.

I agree with the Wizard on "...words in everyday use..."
My empirical evidence suggests very common words are the solution greater than 90% of the time.

Today, I hit my sweet spot at four.

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April 6th, 2022 at 4:42:42 AM permalink

Back to my standard 4/6.

Wordle 291 4/6

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April 6th, 2022 at 5:24:57 AM permalink

Wordle 291 4/6*

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April 6th, 2022 at 5:31:32 AM permalink

Four.

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April 6th, 2022 at 8:29:22 PM permalink

Woo hoo3 today April 6

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April 6th, 2022 at 8:51:41 PM permalink

Wordle 291 4/6

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stoic
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April 6th, 2022 at 9:20:43 PM permalink

Wordle 292 3/6

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April 7th, 2022 at 1:47:44 AM permalink

Wordle 292 5/6

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April 7th, 2022 at 4:46:31 AM permalink

Wordle 292 6/6

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Really didn�t think I was gonna get this one.

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April 7th, 2022 at 6:02:40 AM permalink

Four.

Yes, I know I blew it on my second turn with the A.

I play the first thing in the morning, while I wait for the coffee to brew. Wasn't fully awake yet this time.

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April 7th, 2022 at 11:53:03 AM permalink

Wordle 292 3/6

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April 7th, 2022 at 2:36:35 PM permalink

Four for me.

Wordle 292 4/6*

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April 7th, 2022 at 3:56:24 PM permalink

3 April 7

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April 8th, 2022 at 4:28:27 AM permalink

Wordle 293 3/6

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April 8th, 2022 at 5:18:09 AM permalink

Four.

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April 8th, 2022 at 7:41:49 AM permalink

Wordle 293 3/6*

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April 8th, 2022 at 8:15:35 AM permalink

This might be interesting.

Introducing WordleBot, the Upshot�s Daily Wordle Companion

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/07/upshot/wordle-bot-introduction.html

After the game, it will tell you how skillful or lucky you were, and it could help improve your results.

What is it?

WordleBot is a tool that will take your completed Wordle and analyze it for you. It will give you overall scores for luck and skill on a scale from 0 to 99 and tell you at each turn what, if anything, you could have done differently � if solving Wordles in as few steps as possible is your goal.

And you get an analysis like this after every guess:

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April 8th, 2022 at 10:59:19 AM permalink

I know there are lots of articles on the best starting words, but I like to do my own work wherever I can. That said, I first found a frequency of each letter in the list of Wordle solutions.

Letter	count
A	979
B	281
C	477
D	393
E	1233
F	230
G	311
H	389
I	671
J	27
K	210
L	719
M	316
N	575
O	754
P	367
Q	29
R	899
S	669
T	729
U	467
V	153
W	195
X	37
Y	425
Z	40

Then I took every word in the list with five different letters and added up the frequency of each letter in that word and the table above. Here are the top 100 scores.

Rank	Word	letter count
1	alert	4559
2	alter	4559
3	later	4559
4	arose	4534
5	irate	4511
6	stare	4509
7	arise	4451
8	raise	4451
9	learn	4405
10	renal	4405
11	saner	4355
12	snare	4355
13	least	4329
14	slate	4329
15	stale	4329
16	steal	4329
17	cater	4317
18	crate	4317
19	react	4317
20	trace	4317
21	clear	4307
22	store	4284
23	loser	4274
24	aisle	4271
25	atone	4270
26	teary	4265
27	alone	4260
28	adore	4258
29	scare	4257
30	early	4255
31	layer	4255
32	relay	4255
33	leant	4235
34	trade	4233
35	tread	4233
36	opera	4232
37	earth	4229
38	hater	4229
39	heart	4229
40	taper	4207
41	paler	4197
42	pearl	4197
43	tenor	4190
44	alien	4177
45	aider	4175
46	share	4169
47	shear	4169
48	crane	4163
49	tamer	4156
50	grate	4151
51	great	4151
52	parse	4147
53	spare	4147
54	spear	4147
55	realm	4146
56	glare	4141
57	lager	4141
58	large	4141
59	regal	4141
60	cleat	4137
61	eclat	4137
62	snore	4130
63	baler	4111
64	blare	4111
65	yearn	4111
66	inert	4107
67	inter	4107
68	stern	4105
69	stole	4104
70	liner	4097
71	smear	4096
72	caste	4087
73	outer	4082
74	route	4082
75	saute	4077
76	scale	4077
77	after	4070
78	feral	4060
79	flare	4060
80	dealt	4053
81	delta	4053
82	taker	4050
83	lathe	4049
84	resin	4047
85	rinse	4047
86	risen	4047
87	siren	4047
88	water	4035
89	yeast	4035
90	ratio	4032
91	score	4032
92	roast	4030
93	leapt	4027
94	petal	4027
95	plate	4027
96	pleat	4027
97	rouse	4022
98	islet	4021
99	solar	4020
100	canoe	4018

My own Steak was #219.

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April 8th, 2022 at 11:16:55 AM permalink

I did the same thing awhile back.. but I looked at the frequency of each letter specific to each position.

Here's my updated Wordle Letter Frequency chart, using the 2,308 list of valid Wordle answers. (It was 2,309 words... but I read the NY Times recently removed yet another word, HARRY.)

Using this chart, here are the top 25 Wordle words with the most "Frequency Points.":

As shown above, SLATE comes in at #1 with 1,432 points: (365 + 200 + 306 + 139 + 422 = 1,432.)

The very last word in the list, #2,308, is NYMPH, with just 307 Frequency Points. (37 + 22 + 61 + 50 + 137 = 307)

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April 8th, 2022 at 11:28:41 AM permalink

Just for fun, I also wrote a program to compare the effectiveness of any two different starting words. I wanted to compare any two starting words to see which of these two words performed better over the past x number of puzzles.

The program compares the number of possible words remaining after the first guess. (The lower the number of words still possible after each guess, the better, of course.)

For example, in the chart below I compared my usual starting word, SALET vs a common starting word, ADIEU. I wanted to confirm that ADIEU is not all that great of a starting word. (It's not ideal because the U is not a frequently used letter, compared to many other letters, and the letter D occurs even less often than the U.)

I looked at 60 recent puzzles, Wordle #231 through Wordle #290.

As you can see, in just 18 of those 60 puzzles did ADIEU perform better. SALET was the better choice 42 times out of 60.

More importantly, after selecting SALET as your first guess, the average number of words still possible is just 70.2. Compare that to 126.5 words still possible, after playing ADIEU.

Notice that 12 times out of these 60 puzzles, choosing SALET reduced the list of remaining words to just 10 or less! There was just one puzzle (Wordle #258) where ADIEU can say the same thing.

(For those using ADIEU, you really should say adieu to ADIEU.)

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April 8th, 2022 at 1:11:17 PM permalink

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The very last word in the list, #2,308, is NYMPH, with just 307 Frequency Points. (37 + 22 + 61 + 50 + 137 = 307)
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Which was the word of the day a few weeks ago. That was a tough one.

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As shown above, SLATE comes in at #1 with 1,432 points: (365 + 200 + 306 + 139 + 422 = 1,432.)

You can see our lists are quite a bit different. I assume it's because you award points only if the letter is in the correct position, while award points if it appears anywhere. Maybe a hybrid is appropriate.

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April 8th, 2022 at 2:30:09 PM permalink

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You can see our lists are quite a bit different. I assume it's because you award points only if the letter is in the correct position, while award points if it appears anywhere. Maybe a hybrid is appropriate.

Position definitely makes a difference when selecting a word.

Here I compare SALET and LEAST. These two words are, of course, anagrams of each other.

They do perform similarly... but SALET does perform noticeably better, for this somewhat small sample size (60 puzzles), both in terms of average number of words still possible (70.3 vs 77.2) and number of puzzles. (36 puzzles SALET performed better, 13 puzzles were better for LEAST, with 11 ties.)

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April 8th, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM permalink

I start the first word by picking a random letter. Then I pick another. Then I try to make a word.

For example: B� R� EAD. So if there was a new puzzle, my first word would now be BREAD.

For a while I was starting with the previous day�s answer. But one day I forgot to do that, and I moved on to this way.

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April 8th, 2022 at 9:13:53 PM permalink

Wordle 294 2/6*

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If I�d started with BREAD, this would have gone on for a while, with RE to start, or ER to end. Getting the I in spot 4 narrowed the choices down considerably.

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April 8th, 2022 at 9:26:18 PM permalink

Wordle 293 3/6

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April 9th, 2022 at 4:20:53 AM permalink

Wordle 294 3/6

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April 9th, 2022 at 6:45:44 AM permalink

Wow!! Thought this was the first one I got on my second attempt, but the past scoring shows it�s my second.
Nonetheless, I�m super stoked!!

Wordle 294 2/6

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April 9th, 2022 at 6:52:52 AM permalink

Congratulations Anne. I work late nights and normally play before work. Was running late and didn't have time to play before midnight so no game last night. Again congrats on the 2 ,;-)

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April 9th, 2022 at 10:06:20 AM permalink

Yes, today's is pretty easy, though there are a few words that share the same first four letters. I imagine you could get two just as easily as get guess in five depending on guessing the correct fifth letter.

Three for me today.

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April 9th, 2022 at 10:18:21 AM permalink

Quote: EdCollins
This might be interesting.

Introducing WordleBot, the Upshot�s Daily Wordle Companion

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/07/upshot/wordle-bot-introduction.html

This is interesting. Given the puzzle on 4/9, I would think I was pretty lucky (as opposed to skilled) in guessing the correct fifth letter. Perhaps my luck score was reduced because I had four green after guess #2.

I do find the step by step analysis fascinating:

For 4/9
Guess #1: "Solid choice. On average, someone who guesses *****, will cut the possible number of solutions to just 123." <- there is also a number of ACTUAL solutions result, based on that day's response, which is how we go from 123 to 12...
Guess #2: "Your guess cut the number of remaining solutions to two from 12. Good job! But some of this was luck -- 75 percent of the time *****, will eliminate more solutions than *****"
Guess #3: "You had two solutions to choose from and you chose the right one! This was both lucky and a smart guess."

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April 9th, 2022 at 11:26:27 AM permalink

Four.

Great start and was hoping for a two. However, it was another guessing game, which I seem to be bad at.

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April 9th, 2022 at 12:42:35 PM permalink

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This is interesting. Given the puzzle on 4/9, I would think I was pretty lucky (as opposed to skilled) in guessing the correct fifth letter. Perhaps my luck score was reduced because I had four green after guess #2.

A comment that I'm putting in a spoiler.

Yes, your luck score was most likely reduced a bit for Row 3, since at that point it was just a 50-50 shot. Your overall luck score that was assigned was mostly due to a large luck score on Row 2, due to picking STAIN as your second guess.

As noted, as it turned out, that guess cut the number of solutions down to down to just two possibilities. However, most of the time, it seems your guess of STAIN wouldn't have done that. For example, if the answer had been either STALK, STARK, STACK, STALL, START, STAFF, or, STASH, all of those words would still be possible after guessing STAIN.

Your skill level for Guess #2 would have been near the top with a guess of RINKS (which is apparently best) or even something like DRANK, which I thought of. Although neither of these guesses are possible answers, both would have reduced your search space down to just two or three words at the most, instead of seven, no matter what the answer was.

Yea, fun stuff.

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April 9th, 2022 at 12:51:38 PM permalink

Hello again, folks.

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Welcome back, Babs!

Two for me as well today.

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