Advice you would give to gambling Newbies? 😀💡🤔

Advice I would give to Gambling Newbies is.

Use Stop Limits. Both positive and negative. If you come in with say a $100, play with ONLY that $100. If you win a $500 spin, STILL play with ONLY that $100. Once the $100 is gone, RUN out of that Casino with the $500. One of my Casino Friends won $500 and lost it all back, 😱😳 AND lost his entire Bankroll. 😱😳 And was pissed off at himself losing the $500 win and his entire Bankroll. What he did was the WRONG thing to do.

Think of Comps as an added bonus, not the goal. I definitely found myself chasing Comps and lost money when before Comps were introduced to my local Casino I was playing to win, not for chasing Comps.

The House doesn't ALWAYS win, but it OFTEN wins. Casinos were NOT built on Winners, but if Casinos ALWAYS took money and never gave payouts, they'd be out of business soon. So they do give HUGE payouts while taking MOST of the money.

Slot Video Uploaders are for ENTERTAINMENT, not for REAL LIFE. Viewers have complained about losing their money after watching Popular Slot Video Uploaders play $100 a spin and win $10,000 and them playing $100 a spin and losing all their money. Slot Video Uploaders USUALLY ONLY upload their WINNING Videos and NOT their LOSING videos. Lady Luck, a VERY popular Slot Video Uploader herself admitted she LOSES more than she WINS.

The "So close," Progressives are ACTUALLY VERY FAR away. The Progressive that says it's only about $40 away is actually more like $100,000 coin in away. People have said they hit a $10,000 Progressive but actually LOST $20,000 in CASH chasing the $10,000 Progressive. Ouch. 😱😳

Always gamble with money that you DON'T NEED. NEVER gamble with money you NEED. A Woman told me she lost her RENT MONEY in slots that day. 😱😳 Ouch . 😱😳 Keep this simple advice in mind. "The money you are walking into the Casino with today, you might end up wishing you had tomorrow." 💡

Asking complete Strangers to play on your Player's Club Card in order to get Promotions, free play, gifts, Comps is a bad idea and could get you temporarily or permanently banned. I did this until I accidentally asked the same person twice to play on my Player's Club Card and he complained and reported me and I got a 24 hour ban. 😱😳 Ouch. 😱😳 So definitely asking complete Strangers to play on your Player's Club Card is a bad idea if the complete Stranger complains and reports you.

Darkoz actually earned free food by ONCE ACCIDENTALLY leaving his Player's Club Card in his machine and when he came back a complete Stranger was inadvertently playing on his Player's Club Card and earned him free food. Accidentally leaving your Player's Club Card and having people inadvertently earn you free food is a LOT different than outright asking complete Strangers to play on your Player's Club Card.

Another Poster said he PURPOSELY used to leave his Player's Club Card behind in the slot every time hoping that random people would play on his Player's Club Card and earn him free Comps, free play, giveaways, etc. Doing what he used to do is VERY RISKY and eventually the Casino WILL notice that the SAME person is ALWAYS leaving his Player's Club Card behind after playing. There is a HUGE difference between ONCE ACCIDENTALLY leaving a Player's Club Card behind and doing this every single time you play at a Casino.

Bonuses are just that, Bonuses and shouldn't be the be all end all goal. LOTS of People play BIG money trying to get the Bonus and end up PISSED when they either get nothing, break even, or win just a LITTLE profit. They claim that the game owes them a good Bonus. No, the game doesn't owe anything. Bonuses are just Bonuses once again.

Malfunctions happen. I personally got the Bonus Symbols on Village People Slot and even got congratulated by the Player playing next to me. 😀 The screen turned BLACK all of a sudden, 😱😳 and the Slot Technician rebooted it and I automatically assumed that my Bonus would start. 😀 When the game came back, by Bonus Symbols were GONE, 😱😳 and I told the Slot Technician I got the Bonus Symbols and my Bonus was supposed to stop. The Player next to me admitted she saw the Bonus Symbols come up. The Slot Technician did a History spins check and none of the History spins check showed my Bonus Symbols. I was baffled on how the spin that gave me the Bonus Symbols vanished. Malfunction. 💡

There are different types of Malfunctions however. One is much more messed up and is more of a winnable case, the other is not. One malfunction had a Woman play $2.25 and she got a screen saying she won about $42 Million. She asked the Casino for a check of the roughly $42 Million and the Casino denied the win because it was a LEGITIMATE MALFUNCTION and she was livid. She said they owed her what the screen said she won. Investigation showed that that machine she was playing at had only a Maximum of about $6,000, not MILLIONS. They offered her her spin money back and a free steak dinner. She was LIVID and continued to push that she wanted her roughly $42 Million. She sued and settled for an undisclosed amount. In her case, the roughly 42 Million was a LEGITIMATE MALFUNCTION.

There is completely different types of Malfunction that is a REALLY messed up malfunction, and that's the one where the screen shows three winning Jackpot Symbols on a single line for say 13 Million (Megabucks example)and the Casino claims that the SCREEN is malfunctioning and the ACTUAL reels inside show a non winning spin. This one is VERY winnable and MUCH more likely to get paid the FULL Jackpot. In a nutshell, the Slot merely saying,"42 Million win!" Is a legitimate malfunction. A three winning Jackpot Symbols on a line being called a malfunction is VERY winnable in Court.

Hitting slot machines in anger and causing damages to it can land you in BIG financial trouble. Don't let a short burst of anger cost you THOUSANDS in damages.

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Hitting slot machines in anger and causing damages to it can land you in BIG financial trouble. Don't let a short burst of anger cost you THOUSANDS in damages.


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Very interesting post, from a different perspective!

I broke a machine once, but not in anger. I was playing video poker and the door to the cabinet was ajar, giving me a "Closure M" error, and to close it and clear the error I slammed the door so hard the glass broke. Security caught up to me and made me pay for it. It cost less than quads pays on a $1 paytable, and they saw what I did and realized it was not done out of anger or malice so it was a friendly transaction; all I had to do was pay to replace the glass.

Here is some highly varied advice that has helped me maintain and grow my bankroll while having lots of fun trying new games since I started gambling in 2025

1) Always sign up for a Player's Card
2) Memorize the basic strategy for every game that you want to play. Do not trust the dealers to know basic strategy and many casinos will not allow you to hold a basic strategy card.
3a) If you can use free play on video poker, find the best pay table, find the basic strategy for that specific game and pay table, and wash the free play via the lowest denomination.
3b) Otherwise, try to find a non-volatile slot machine to wash the free play into (no progressives or jackpots)
4) Don't say "seven" at a Craps table, people are that superstitious
5) Do not trust the dealer to optimally arrange your hand in Face-Up Pai Gow Poker - knowing this has saved me from losing before
6) Don't hit a 3-card 16 vs a Dealer's 10 in Blackjack
7) Boycott "Big Six" / "Money Wheel"
8) Don't play slot machines or keno
9) Always try to play the game with the lowest house edge
10) Try a wide variety of games to see what you like the best :) But don't stay at the high house edge games too long
11) Do not play any side bets
12) Keep track of literally every cent that you win or lose in gambling (I have been doing this meticulously, currently up +$1508.07)
13) It's okay to bet Don't Pass/Come to gain 0.05% house edge no matter what anyone tells you
14) If you can master Pai Gow Tiles, you can master reality

When I started playing in the casino, I wished that there was a website that could let you play any game while teaching you the strategy, which is why I made my website. I wish something like this existed when I was starting out.

I understand that some people will disagree with my advice, especially the advice to not play side bets. We all have our own views on money and risk which clearly shaped some of my advice - though I'm open to feedback.

If your bills aren't paid, you can't afford to gamble.
If your credit cards weren't paid in full last month, you can't afford to gamble.
If you don't have at least $2000, you can't afford to gamble.
If the casino's hotel seems expensive to you, you can't afford to gamble.

If you don't understand the game, don't play for money.

You probably won't win it back.
Best of luck!

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If your bills aren't paid, you can't afford to gamble.
If your credit cards weren't paid in full last month, you can't afford to gamble.
If you don't have at least $2000, you can't afford to gamble.
If the casino's hotel seems expensive to you, you can't afford to gamble.

If you don't understand the game, don't play for money.

You probably won't win it back.
Best of luck!
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On another gambling website a Poster said something like,"That sinking feeling when you realized that you lost your money gambling in Casinos and remember that you didn't pay your rent, your utilities, your groceries, your cellphone bill, and your car note. 😱😳

My advice would be simple: Don't.
The most successful gamblers I know lead less-than-wonderful lives. It doesn't seem conducive to raising a family, as just about every one of them is either working on their third marriage or is a proud member of the anti-woman movement
There are much better and easier ways to make money, and much better hobbies to entertain you.
I'd challenge them to make all the bets they want, on paper, and after six months see where they'd be.
Lastly- don't gamble a dime until your IRA is maxed out for the year.

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My advice would be simple: Don't.
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I'd agree if the person was literally someone with no experience at all with gambling, not even playing poker with friends. If you can surmise this person is determined to do it anyway, then most of the above hints are fine.

Expect a bad outcome if there is no math background, and expect complete disaster if this person wins a big jackpot first time out.

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If your bills aren't paid, you can't afford to gamble.
If your credit cards weren't paid in full last month, you can't afford to gamble.
If you don't have at least $2000, you can't afford to gamble.
If the casino's hotel seems expensive to you, you can't afford to gamble.

If you don't understand the game, don't play for money.

You probably won't win it back.
Best of luck!
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Agree with point 1.
Mega agree with point 2.
Not sure what number I’d pick for point 3, but $2000 is WAY too low.
Disagree with point 4. Rack rate on local casino seems expensive to me, but that has nothing to do with whether I gamble there or not.
Agree with point 5.

When I started seriously gambling in the late 90s, casinos offered much better games, and by taking advantage of player clubs, fun books, and promotions, a regular gambler could recover most of his losses in meals, rooms, and shows. I could stay three nights in AC for $40 in taxes. Now the nightly resort fee is that much. The casinos changed the formulas. Twenty-five years ago, I was watching for people who might be able to supplement their income with smart gambling.
While I am sure some people still do well, the casinos have gamed the system so it isn't worth it for most people.

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When I started seriously gambling in the late 90s, casinos offered much better games, and by taking advantage of player clubs, fun books, and promotions, a regular gambler could recover most of his losses in meals, rooms, and shows. I could stay three nights in AC for $40 in taxes. Now the nightly resort fee is that much. The casinos changed the formulas. Twenty-five years ago, I was watching for people who might be able to supplement their income with smart gambling.
While I am sure some people still do well, the casinos have gamed the system so it isn't worth it for most people.
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A Poster said something like,"20 years ago, a $20 at a Casino would net me and my husband two full dinners at a fancy restaurant, two adult movie theater tickets, two large popcorns, and two large cokes and we would still leave with $20. 😀 But TODAY, a $20 is gone in SECONDS. 😱😳 Absolutely dreadful when we used to get big money on our $20 20 years ago. 😱😳

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If your bills aren't paid, you can't afford to gamble.
If your credit cards weren't paid in full last month, you can't afford to gamble.
If you don't have at least $2000, you can't afford to gamble.
If the casino's hotel seems expensive to you, you can't afford to gamble.

If you don't understand the game, don't play for money.

You probably won't win it back.
Best of luck!
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Agree with point 1.
Mega agree with point 2.
Not sure what number I’d pick for point 3, but $2000 is WAY too low.
Disagree with point 4. Rack rate on local casino seems expensive to me, but that has nothing to do with whether I gamble there or not.
Agree with point 5.
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I have some reasoning on point 3. Matching the W2G threshold is convenient, and I really don't think that someone who has managed to scrape up $100 should be going to a casino.
At that level, losing most or all is the expectation.... but gambling is not a desperate act, trying to make rent.

Point 4 is one of the casino equivalents of the cowboy cutout in front of the horsie ride that says "Whoa Buckaroo, you must be this tall to ride." I've seen a lot of people blithely ignore the signs that a property is actively trying to price them out, and then promptly go broke before they had any fun.

Do you have any sage advice?

edit: I'm suggesting $2000 as a minimum casino gambling bankroll. Of course you should have more money.

The sagest advice I ever recieved concerned socks and underwear.

Advice to newbies:

1. Don't gamble.

OR

2. Avoid staying at hotels on the Vegas Strip or at the Atlantis in the Bahamas

And/OR

3. Research the games and their basic strategies

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1. Don't gamble.


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STOP. DROP. AND ROLL away from whoever is trying to speak to you about, trying to get you to, gamble.

STOP thinking about what gambling even is.

GO get a job at 711 its better than being a hooker or homeless and way more profitable, and steady as a way of getting money relative to all of the previous things ive mentioned.

The best advice for newbies is simple: Understand the math before putting your money on the table.

Know the house edge of every bet you make, avoid 6:5 Blackjack and high-margin side bets, set a strict bankroll limit, and never treat gambling as an investment. Pay for the entertainment and walk away when your budget for the session is hit!

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El mejor consejo para los principiantes es simple: entiende las matemáticas antes de apostar tu dinero.

Conoce la ventaja de la casa en cada apuesta, evita el blackjack 6:5 y las apuestas secundarias de alto margen, establece un límite estricto para tu presupuesto y nunca consideres el juego como una inversión. ¡Paga por el entretenimiento y retírate cuando hayas agotado tu presupuesto para la sesión!
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im not going to lie. in my opinion your response looks like this to an average gambler

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The best advice for newbies is simple: Understand the math before putting your money on the table.

Know the math before you gamble. That is my only advice.

I think it's interesting that a lot of people act like 6:5 blackjack is the worst thing in the casino when it's better than normal Single-Zero Roulette.

But I get it - I don't feel like playing Three Card Poker with the 5:1, 4:1, 1:1 Ante Bonus now that I know a better pay table is out there.

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I think it's interesting that a lot of people act like 6:5 blackjack is the worst thing in the casino when it's better than normal Single-Zero Roulette.

But I get it - I don't feel like playing Three Card Poker with the 5:1, 4:1, 1:1 Ante Bonus now that I know a better pay table is out there.
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Some of that has to do with the history of 6:5 and how it was promoted. When they started rolling it out, there were signs up everywhere to the effect of "You wanted it, you got it! All our tables now pay a WHOPPING 6:5 on blackjacks!"

Gaslighting is insulting and offensive and the contempt was for the casinos promoting like that as well as the uneducated players who fell for it. And it took years for the casinos to realize 3:2 naturals were something they could offer and advertise as a selling point for their casino.

So it's not the number so much as a cultural memory of how it happened.

Wait for the Point, then bet all your money on the 5,6,8,9

"I'm gonna show you how to make 6K minimum"

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qt8tfDrYFYY

I lost $50K on WinCraps the other night just betting $500 on the PL. Then I switched it up to $600 on the 6 & 8 and lost another $20K. I immediately wrote up a new DP w/ 3X odds strategy afterwards.

When casinos started paying 6-5, they weren't allowed to call it blackjack. Superfun21 started around 1997, and a few places were offering Single Deck 21 in 2001. I never played it, so I'm not sure when it spread to shoe games, but Vegas rules slowly deteriorated.
I believe a casino can make more from a $25 6-5 game than from $100 3-2 games, and casinos think counters avoid 6-5 games.

Gambling Newbies, please be VERY careful about using gambling apps as practice for real life gambling. 💡 A guy said something like "On a gambling app, I was playing Blackjack and I kept constantly winning big money. I looked closely at the Blackjack Dealer and realized that the Blackjack Dealer was NOT dealing the cards the right way. Had I been playing in real life with a Blackjack Dealer who was dealing the cards the right way, I would have lost big money. 💡 Another gambling app said something like,"Our payouts pay really well compared to the real world. We cannot be held legally responsible if players use this gambling app as practice in the real world and lose their money." 💡

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I immediately wrote up a new DP w/ 3X odds strategy afterwards.
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Fun with WinCraps Pro.

Try betting the DP only and laying 5X on 6 and 8 only. No other bets. No odds on any other numbers.

That wins 108 units on the 35,000 Zumma rolls.

It also wins 270 units on my 21,000 real dice rolls.

I've never really gotten auto-bet to work for me. I thought I paid for the program but I can't find my receipt or activation code. Most of what I do is not auto-bet accessible anyway.

But I'm thinking if you are so intent on laying only the 6 & 8 with less HA, just keep running DP/DC bets until the 6 & 8 are covered and only lay 6X odds on the 6 & 8, I could do 12X odds at my local table if I had the budget. $10 line bets.
For Bubble Craps I'm gonna have to limit it to 3X odds on the double odds machine with a 1X Place To Lose bet on the 6 & 8. My line bets are on the order of $1-$2 with such a low budget (<$100), until I pull ahead.

I'm looking for strategies that can get me 15-20 bets ahead within 500 rolls so I can triple-up my buy-in. I have many ways to do it from the light side, but hot shooters are too rare; they come but once an hour, and may be several hours late. By then I've blown through 1 or 2 buy-ins before something good happens. If I was betting the dark side, it would be much easier to reach a win goal under those conditions. But for sure I'm going to clear out all the players with my bad luck.

I did have an early win on WinCraps years ago where I bet DP w/ 3X odds, and pushed the odds up 1X for each win after 3 in a row up to 6X odds. I think I got from $50K to $90K steadily.

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But I'm thinking if you are so intent on laying only the 6 & 8 with less HA, just keep running DP/DC bets until the 6 & 8 are covered and only lay 6X odds on the 6 & 8...
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The more Don't bets you have working, the more losing dice combinations vs the 7.

I prefer betting the Pass Line with odds, followed by a come bet and odds on every roll.

make good bets
repeat until rich.

The best rule is to set a loss limit before you start and stick to it. Don’t chase losses, wins or bonuses. If you hit your limit, walk away and treat the money spent as the cost of entertainment.

Gambling Newbies, make sure you are on the RIGHT denomination when gambling on multi denom slots. A guy said that he had a $40 bankroll and THOUGHT he was playing a penny machine at .20 a spin(This was when the minimum for a LOT of slots was .20 and not .50). After two losing spins, he hit spin one more time and was baffled on why the Slot wouldn't let him play anymore. He was accidentally playing a DOLLAR Machine and had been playing $20 a spin, not just .20 He said something like,"I lost my entire Bankroll in just two spins by accident, I fucked up REALLY badly, LMAO!"


It happened to me too in a way, thankfully not as bad as accidentally losing $40 in two accidental bets. I was playing some sort of Jester game and I got a line of Kings for $3. I thought,"This is only 6 times my bet, not REALLY a huge win. I kept playing and I realized my money was going down way quicker than it should have. It turned out that I was accidentally playing a 5 cent denomination slot and not a 1 cent machine. I had accidentally been playing $2.50 a spin, not just .50 The $3 win was actually a $15 win that I didn't know at the time.


Make sure you are actually betting ALL the lines in a game like Megabucks. People have been baffled when they see the Megabucks Symbols align and they don't get paid and it turns out the Megabucks Symbols came on a line that they weren't playing.

Lowering the bet when your Spouse purposely was playing Max Bet is a bad idea. A Husband was playing Megabucks at Max Bet and had to pee. He has his Wife give him a pee break and while he peed, she lowered the Bet from $5 to a dollar. She got the Megabucks Symbols and won $1,000.

When her Husband came back from the bathroom break, she excitedly told him she won him a $1,000 on a $1 bet. Immediately alarmed that she won on a $1 bet when he had been playing $5 Max Bet, he looked and sure enough, she did win $1,000. He was VERY furious and punched his Wife in her face and she fell out of the seat. 😱😳😬 Casino Staff had him arrested for domestic abuse. It turns out if she didn't lower the bet, she would have won $1 Million. Wife was most likely wondering why he punched her after she won him $1,000 on a $1 bet. 😱😳😬

People were saying stuff like,"The guy was an idiot. She won him an extra 200 spins. He could have easily won the Million within the 200 extra spins she won him. By punching her he is in jail, lost out in the $1,000 Wife won him, Wife most likely filed for divorce, he most likely is banned from that Casino for life.

I spoke of asking complete Strangers to play on your Player's Club Card is a bad idea. The kind of reverse is a bad idea too, actually playing on their Player's Club Card. A guy was asked by a pretty innocent looking lady who nicely asked to play on her Player's Club Card because she just needed five points to get a Burger Meal Comp and she was hungry. He was like,"No harm in playing on your Player's Club Card so you can geta Burger Meal Comp. He played on her Player's Club Card and he hit a Jackpot while her card was in his machine. All of a sudden she stopped being nice and claimed that was HER Jackpot money since her Player's Club Card was in his machine when he hit. He cussed her out and took out her card and told her to leave before he reported her to Casino Staff Members.


Letting people spin your slot machine for you on your money is also a bad idea. A man asked his Casino Friend to do a slot spin for luck for him. It was HIS money, she spun and lo and behold, the spin that she punched on his money won a $100,000 Progressive. The Casino saw that SHE spun the button, so she was awarded the entire $100,000. She asked the Casino Staff Members to pay her in private and make sure the guy didn't follow her for any money. She got paid the money and asked Casino Staff Members to escort her to her car which they did. She drove off with the entire $100,000 and didn't give him ANY of the money that was 100 percent HIS money. He was baffled and hurt that she stole his $100,000 jackpot. Days later she texted him if he still hated her. He responded something like,"How could you steal my $100,000? I trusted you.

She replied something like,"I miss you," which was a really fucked up thing to respond. She should have said something like,"You're right, it is messed up that I stole the entire $100,000 from you. I'll give you $50,000. "

He threatened her saying something like,"You messed with the wrong person with stealing my $100,000. You shouldn't have screwed me over and you're going to regret screwing me over. She told a news station or something like that,"I was just about to give him $50,000 but he is now threatening me. I will permanently keep the entire $50,000 and permanently cut off all ties with him. " The guy tried to file a lawsuit but was told he waited too long to try to file a lawsuit and a lawsuit would not be filed. Sad story for the guy. So once again , letting other people spin on slots for you with your money is a REALLY bad idea.

Learning the rules of a game is more useful than chasing quick wins. Avoid increasing bets just because you are losing. Taking breaks can help keep emotions under control. Most importantly, never risk money you cannot afford to lose.

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Learning the rules of a game is more useful than chasing quick wins. Avoid increasing bets just because you are losing. Taking breaks can help keep emotions under control. Most importantly, never risk money you cannot afford to lose.
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Let's do-eth a soul check. If Mary had a little lamb, what is the name of the owner of a sheep?

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Learning the rules of a game is more useful than chasing quick wins. Avoid increasing bets just because you are losing. Taking breaks can help keep emotions under control. Most importantly, never risk money you cannot afford to lose.
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Let's do-eth a soul check. If Mary had a little lamb, what is the name of the owner of a sheep?
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this is the second soul check for this entity

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Learning the rules of a game is more useful than chasing quick wins. Avoid increasing bets just because you are losing. Taking breaks can help keep emotions under control. Most importantly, never risk money you cannot afford to lose.
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Let's do-eth a soul check. If Mary had a little lamb, what is the name of the owner of a sheep?
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this is the second soul check for this entity
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You're correct. He didn't respond to the first soul check (in the thread what-should-players-look-for-when-choosing-a-good-online-slot-game).

Hmm, $2 line bets with $4 odds or $6 Place Bets?
On the line + 2X odds, a 6 or 8 payout would be $6.80; on the PB 6 or 8 the payout on a $6 bet would be $7.
There's so many P7Os, I'd only lose $4 (my odds bet) if I had a $2 Come bet down instead of losing $18 if I had the PB 6 & 8 for $6 each up along with the $2 + $4 odds line bet.

I really love my PL/PB progressions but there's long stretches where I can't hit a number twice for one shooter, and that leads me to feeding the machine more cash sooner if there's no hot shooter to bring me back up. I'm going to try the come bet route next time.

If I was counting up points from the other night, it'd come out to a $1,500 coin-in over 7 hours with a $65 loss; or 375 $4 bets on average, but I was using progressions so that skews everything. Still running a 4.33% loss, but it was over a 50% loss before the hot shooters appeared. Need enough time at the machine to come back, and that means more buy-ins too.

I tried multiplying some numbers on a chart by 1.33 and the bigger numbers just were off, so I had to set the format of the number to like 8 places so the bigger 6 digit numbers would multiply out right. 1.33333333X

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I think it's interesting that a lot of people act like 6:5 blackjack is the worst thing in the casino when it's better than normal Single-Zero Roulette.

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I think it's funny, too. 6:5 BJ has a house edge of 1.8% with basic strategy. That's one of the best bets in the casino, and because the minimums are usually lower than 3:2 BJ, it's a pretty good deal for a casual BJ player on vacation who only has a couple hundred to gamble with. Better to play $10 6:5 than $15 or $25 3:2 if you're on a tight budget.

The above saying is not very reasonable. Most players do not know blackjack basic strategy at all. Actually, many people haven’t heard of this, I believe. To achieve a 1.8% of house edge in blackjack probably takes many months of learning, to say the least. Do people need to learn basic strategy to play Roulette?

By months of learning you mean printing out a card with a strategy sheet on it?

I mean memorizing it.

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By months of learning you mean printing out a card with a strategy sheet on it?
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At most places, you can have a strategy sheet with you, but you'll annoy everyone else with such slow play.

Better to memorize and practice, practice, practice, and save up enough for a reasonable bankroll of $25 bets IMO.

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I think it's interesting that a lot of people act like 6:5 blackjack is the worst thing in the casino when it's better than normal Single-Zero Roulette.

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I think it's funny, too. 6:5 BJ has a house edge of 1.8% with basic strategy. That's one of the best bets in the casino, and because the minimums are usually lower than 3:2 BJ, it's a pretty good deal for a casual BJ player on vacation who only has a couple hundred to gamble with. Better to play $10 6:5 than $15 or $25 3:2 if you're on a tight budget.
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I don't see those numbers adding up. If you have a 3:2 game with 0.6% rules you will still lose less playing $25 3:2 than $10 6:5. Between comps and exploiting dealer errors a BJ game with reasonable rules could be break even or a little better for a basic strategy player.

Tourists tend to play shy at the $25 level. I see fewer doubles, and more doubling for less. They aren't as aggressive.

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I don't see those numbers adding up. If you have a 3:2 game with 0.6% rules you will still lose less playing $25 3:2 than $10 6:5. Between comps and exploiting dealer errors a BJ game with reasonable rules could be break even or a little better for a basic strategy player.
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That's savvy math, which doesn't neatly align with a lot of entertainment players.

You're wisely thinking about how much ice cream you'd be dishing up for the casino. The entertainment player is often more concerned with the size of the scoop.

Scavenging a hand or two an hour can turn the game positive, but you're better off working at In and Out.

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By months of learning you mean printing out a card with a strategy sheet on it?
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At most places, you can have a strategy sheet with you, but you'll annoy everyone else with such slow play.

Better to memorize and practice, practice, practice, and save up enough for a reasonable bankroll of $25 bets IMO.
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True, that being said I don't think it takes month to learn basic strategy - it took me a few days and anyone who understands what a house edge is and cares about strategy is probably smart enough to learn in a week or less. The decision is pretty obvious most of the time anyways and using Wizard's simple strategy will only yield approximately a 0.5% RTP deficit (not as much house edge as 6:5 adds).

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1000+ word post.
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Most people shouldn't gamble. Simple as that.

But tell that to the small crowd that gathered around me this session where I kept winning and winning and didn't even start with much.

Ludus est, donec oculus effodiatur.

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By months of learning you mean printing out a card with a strategy sheet on it?
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At most places, you can have a strategy sheet with you, but you'll annoy everyone else with such slow play.

Better to memorize and practice, practice, practice, and save up enough for a reasonable bankroll of $25 bets IMO.
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True, that being said I don't think it takes month to learn basic strategy - it took me a few days and anyone who understands what a house edge is and cares about strategy is probably smart enough to learn in a week or less. The decision is pretty obvious most of the time anyways and using Wizard's simple strategy will only yield approximately a 0.5% RTP deficit (not as much house edge as 6:5 adds).
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I agree, it doesn't take long for smart people.

What's obvious to us is not obvious to the average person. The average person is horrible at BJ. I've seen people stand on soft 17, stand on 15v7, and double down on hard 12.

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By months of learning you mean printing out a card with a strategy sheet on it?
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At most places, you can have a strategy sheet with you, but you'll annoy everyone else with such slow play.

Better to memorize and practice, practice, practice, and save up enough for a reasonable bankroll of $25 bets IMO.
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True, that being said I don't think it takes month to learn basic strategy - it took me a few days and anyone who understands what a house edge is and cares about strategy is probably smart enough to learn in a week or less. The decision is pretty obvious most of the time anyways and using Wizard's simple strategy will only yield approximately a 0.5% RTP deficit (not as much house edge as 6:5 adds).
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I agree, it doesn't take long for smart people.

What's obvious to us is not obvious to the average person. The average person is horrible at BJ. I've seen people stand on soft 17, stand on 15v7, and double down on hard 12.
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I've done all of those things, and worse! In the first case there was a sidebet involved, and for the others there was some additional information involved.

That's why when I see what would normally be bad play, I do my due diligence and see if there might be something I'm not noticing.

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I don't see those numbers adding up. If you have a 3:2 game with 0.6% rules you will still lose less playing $25 3:2 than $10 6:5. Between comps and exploiting dealer errors a BJ game with reasonable rules could be break even or a little better for a basic strategy player.
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You're right, but you're thinking way too logically and mathematically for the average tourist... LOL... if you only have, say, a $300 bankroll, you would still be a fool to sit at a $25 3:2 table. That only gives you 12 bullets vs the 30 you would have at a $10 6:5 table. With those parameters, the amount of money you'd be "saving" by playing 3:2 vs 6:5 is practically a rounding error and not even worth worrying about for the average low-rolling tourist, and you are way more likely to completely bust out.

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The above saying is not very reasonable. Most players do not know blackjack basic strategy at all. Actually, many people haven’t heard of this, I believe. To achieve a 1.8% of house edge in blackjack probably takes many months of learning, to say the least. Do people need to learn basic strategy to play Roulette?
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You can learn blackjack basic strategy in a few hours. It doesn't take months.

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I don't see those numbers adding up. If you have a 3:2 game with 0.6% rules you will still lose less playing $25 3:2 than $10 6:5. Between comps and exploiting dealer errors a BJ game with reasonable rules could be break even or a little better for a basic strategy player.
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You're right, but you're thinking way too logically and mathematically for the average tourist... LOL... if you only have, say, a $300 bankroll, you would still be a fool to sit at a $25 3:2 table. That only gives you 12 bullets vs the 30 you would have at a $10 6:5 table. With those parameters, the amount of money you'd be "saving" by playing 3:2 vs 6:5 is practically a rounding error and not even worth worrying about for the average low-rolling tourist, and you are way more likely to completely bust out.

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The above saying is not very reasonable. Most players do not know blackjack basic strategy at all. Actually, many people haven’t heard of this, I believe. To achieve a 1.8% of house edge in blackjack probably takes many months of learning, to say the least. Do people need to learn basic strategy to play Roulette?
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You can learn blackjack basic strategy in a few hours. It doesn't take months.
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I don't think most people can learn BS in a few hours. You might get the gist of it, but perfecting it will most likely take many hours of practice. Someone who is willing to put in the practice can get it down rather quickly, but not on the plane to Vegas.

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I've seen people stand on soft 17, stand on 15v7, and double down on hard 12.
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Stop giving away my secrets!