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Seedvalue
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May 3rd, 2022 at 10:04:35 PM permalink
Net .. keep in mind this is not one particular discipline . Like I didnít just play table games or VP. I have continued to learn and go after different things over the years. The past few years itís mostly been online multi accounting casino bonuses, and sports betting signups. Iím the guy with 50 accounts driving across country, mail is also a big part of my earn. Itís why I know darkoz is telling the truth about his 20k a week most weeks but not every week. Although I wish he would have shut up about it years ago.
Iím also not unique in this field clearly others have done it. Yes I break all the TOS rules. If itís not criminal Iím all in on the play. Iím also on this grind 7 days week hardly doing much else outside of spending time with family. Itís fun not work to me. But this thread is not about me so I wonít be answering anything else publicly.
AxelWolf
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May 4th, 2022 at 3:33:03 AM permalink
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I think that after a lifetime of contributing heavily to casino coffers, longtime gamblers just can't conceive that others regularly beat the casino. Heck, if I can't make a profit after spending all that time, it should be obvious that no one can. I think it is an ego thing.


"If making money from the casino was easy, I'd have found a way to do it. Since I can't, no one else should be able to, either."

It might help if APs didn't treat this like a watering hole and sit around sharing their fishing stories.
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It's curious how MDawg's wins are freely questioned here but the wins of so called APs must be accepted without question.

Why is that?

As I've said before MDawg's wins are easier to accept as true because he only needs to win one or two big bets and then end his session to be able to say "I'm up $10,000 on the day."
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FYI, Advantage Players have been questioned before on these forums, Ill leave it up to you to search if you feel so included.

I don't care if it's MD, some rando, or some known AP...It all comes down to math and logic... if it doesn't make sense, it's probably not true.

It all comes down to what the person is playing, how often he is playing, what the % is of his advantage/disadvantage is, and what the variance is.

If an AP card counter told me he wins as frequently and as much as some people have been claiming on the forums, I wouldn't believe him either, because the small advantage and variance just wouldn't jive with a super high winning frequency.

If a slot player(AP or not) had a 20% advantage playing hours a day/many days, and he said he never had a losing day, I would absolutely believe that. If a slot player(AP or not) had a 20% disadvantage playing hours a day/ many, and he said he never had a losing day, I would absolutely NOT believe that.

I would also question someone who claimed to be losing with a 20% advantage(Obviously, it would depend on the variance/how the 20 % is being distributed.)

I don't think you understand that many of the types of Advantage Plays people are talking about are fairly significant 20%, 30%, 40%, 50%...... 200% + plays.. Yeah, I know, you want people to tell you where, when, and how. That doesn't seem like a good idea.


You may want to reflect back a little to Rob Singer and then ask yourself if you're the best judge of what should or shouldn't be believed when it comes to gambling.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
MDawg
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May 4th, 2022 at 7:43:21 AM permalink
Of course no one comes on here and says "I have an X% advantage," so the above is a long useless post stating the obvious from the member with more posts than anyone else. And no one seems to have been vetted in any way other than MDawg with any witnessed sessions. Actually, in the history of this forum (or the internet in general) has anyone provided live video of logged in WIN statements within player accounts, let alone for multiple casinos over a multi year period? MDawg has provided it for every casino he has ever even mentioned or discussed playing at.
I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
darkoz
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May 4th, 2022 at 10:07:14 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Of course no one comes on here and says "I have an X% advantage," so the above is a long useless post stating the obvious from the member with more posts than anyone else. And no one seems to have been vetted in any way other than MDawg with any witnessed sessions. Actually, in the history of this forum (or the internet in general) has anyone provided live video of logged in WIN statements within player accounts, let alone for multiple casinos over a multi year period? MDawg has provided it for every casino he has ever even mentioned or discussed playing at.
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It's this attitude in my opinion that really throws suspicion on your claims.

I have said before that I feel you could be doing an advantage play. I say that because I do it myself.

But you keep trying to discredit other AP's as if they are lying.

Usually that's the mark of the person who isn't telling the truth or the whole truth.

Why do you see the need to discredit all other Advantage players?
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AlanMendelson
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May 4th, 2022 at 12:57:20 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: MDawg

Of course no one comes on here and says "I have an X% advantage," so the above is a long useless post stating the obvious from the member with more posts than anyone else. And no one seems to have been vetted in any way other than MDawg with any witnessed sessions. Actually, in the history of this forum (or the internet in general) has anyone provided live video of logged in WIN statements within player accounts, let alone for multiple casinos over a multi year period? MDawg has provided it for every casino he has ever even mentioned or discussed playing at.
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It's this attitude in my opinion that really throws suspicion on your claims.

I have said before that I feel you could be doing an advantage play. I say that because I do it myself.

But you keep trying to discredit other AP's as if they are lying.

Usually that's the mark of the person who isn't telling the truth or the whole truth.

Why do you see the need to discredit all other Advantage players?
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This is what troubles me: the insistence that Mdawg must have a mathematical advantage.

He doesn't need an advantage. He needs a fair, close to even bet... and isnt that what Baccarat offers?

Someone making dozens or hundreds of SMALL bets needs an edge to create a win.

All Mdawg needs to do is win one or two $5k bets and he can truthfully say he has won 5-thou or 10-thou.

He doesn't need a big edge to keep winning many bets. He just needs a little luck or variance to win a couple of bets -- sometimes even just one.

What Mdawg has indicated to us, and this gets overlooked, is that he is not a long term player. He's not even a mid term player. You could argue he's not even a short term player. He's less than short term.

He is like the player who walks up to a craps table, throws a $25 chip on the field, takes the win and leaves.

You dont need an edge to do that. You just have to get lucky.

Now, it's also clear that Mdawg has a bankroll to stay at his table to be sure he finished with a win. You might be right that it's a Martingale. But when you're betting $5000 units and in a Martingale all you do is finish up by one unit, what's so bad about finishing up by one $5000 unit?

So to summarize: I think MDawg's critics are judging him by the wrong standard. Mdawg doesnt need an edge to win many hands. Mdawg only needs to win one hand.
ChumpChange
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May 4th, 2022 at 1:16:24 PM permalink
He needs to win a streak of hands that he presses into, and there's slightly more than a 33% chance of that happening.
AlanMendelson
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May 4th, 2022 at 2:02:41 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

He needs to win a streak of hands that he presses into, and there's slightly more than a 33% chance of that happening.
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Let's ask Mdawg.

Do you need a win streak to have a $10k win session when you're making $5k and $10k bets?
darkoz
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May 4th, 2022 at 4:46:07 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: darkoz

Quote: MDawg

Of course no one comes on here and says "I have an X% advantage," so the above is a long useless post stating the obvious from the member with more posts than anyone else. And no one seems to have been vetted in any way other than MDawg with any witnessed sessions. Actually, in the history of this forum (or the internet in general) has anyone provided live video of logged in WIN statements within player accounts, let alone for multiple casinos over a multi year period? MDawg has provided it for every casino he has ever even mentioned or discussed playing at.
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It's this attitude in my opinion that really throws suspicion on your claims.

I have said before that I feel you could be doing an advantage play. I say that because I do it myself.

But you keep trying to discredit other AP's as if they are lying.

Usually that's the mark of the person who isn't telling the truth or the whole truth.

Why do you see the need to discredit all other Advantage players?
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This is what troubles me: the insistence that Mdawg must have a mathematical advantage.

He doesn't need an advantage. He needs a fair, close to even bet... and isnt that what Baccarat offers?

Someone making dozens or hundreds of SMALL bets needs an edge to create a win.

All Mdawg needs to do is win one or two $5k bets and he can truthfully say he has won 5-thou or 10-thou.

He doesn't need a big edge to keep winning many bets. He just needs a little luck or variance to win a couple of bets -- sometimes even just one.

What Mdawg has indicated to us, and this gets overlooked, is that he is not a long term player. He's not even a mid term player. You could argue he's not even a short term player. He's less than short term.

He is like the player who walks up to a craps table, throws a $25 chip on the field, takes the win and leaves.

You dont need an edge to do that. You just have to get lucky.

Now, it's also clear that Mdawg has a bankroll to stay at his table to be sure he finished with a win. You might be right that it's a Martingale. But when you're betting $5000 units and in a Martingale all you do is finish up by one unit, what's so bad about finishing up by one $5000 unit?

So to summarize: I think MDawg's critics are judging him by the wrong standard. Mdawg doesnt need an edge to win many hands. Mdawg only needs to win one hand.
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You say MDawg claims not to be a long-term player in a thread where he repeatedly discusses fifty and sixty straight days of gambling?

Okay what am I not understanding?
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ChumpChange
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May 4th, 2022 at 4:48:06 PM permalink
MDawg only plays 2 shoes to comp his room.
darkoz
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May 4th, 2022 at 4:57:52 PM permalink
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MDawg only plays 2 shoes to comp his room.
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I wouldn't want to be in his shoes :)
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