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September 1st, 2026 at 8:28:45 AM permalink
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I don't think most people can learn BS in a few hours. You might get the gist of it, but perfecting it will most likely take many hours of practice. Someone who is willing to put in the practice can get it down rather quickly, but not on the plane to Vegas.
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https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/basics/

I agree that they probably can't get basic strategy down, but they can probably learn all 21 points of the simple strategy linked above. That will get the typical player well past a lot of the nonsense they might hear, and losing slowly enough to enjoy themselves for a bit.
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September 1st, 2026 at 9:47:54 AM permalink
Sure, but why not just print out a free chart and use it at the table? I displayed Don Schessinger's cards long after I needed them. One session, I had a guy loudly asking me to confirm the chart agreed with his play, and he tipped me a couple of times when he won. I don't understand the reluctance to use a chart if you don't have BS down pat.
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September 1st, 2026 at 11:30:37 AM permalink
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Sure, but why not just print out a free chart and use it at the table? I displayed Don Schessinger's cards long after I needed them. One session, I had a guy loudly asking me to confirm the chart agreed with his play, and he tipped me a couple of times when he won. I don't understand the reluctance to use a chart if you don't have BS down pat.
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Well, understanding how to read the chart helps, too.
I was slow playing one night, and some woman was so very pleased with herself to look up every single play on the chart. I finally figured out she was way off base when she kept saying "HOLD" on some obvious HITS, like A-4 v 9.

I explained it. She stood anyway. Lost her buy-in, but not fast enough for my taste.

Looking it up is often slow enough to annoy even beginners, especially if alcohol is a contributing factor.
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September 1st, 2026 at 12:29:27 PM permalink
I left my chart on the table and was told it couldn't be there. So I had to put it in my shirt pocket and refer to it when my memory of the chart was uncertain. This especially goes for Spanish 21 too.
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September 2nd, 2026 at 5:55:34 AM permalink
Apparently, many advanced players still use a printed chart for basic strategy; however, many of these online charts still have a lot of typos in them.
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September 2nd, 2026 at 6:39:44 AM permalink
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I left my chart on the table and was told it couldn't be there. So I had to put it in my shirt pocket and refer to it when my memory of the chart was uncertain. This especially goes for Spanish 21 too.
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True, contrary to popular belief, many casinos will not let you have a strategy sheet at the table. I assume this is legal/fair. I have never seen someone other than me use a sheet at a table in real life... I printed out sheets that I made in Yiddish onto US Letter size paper to help me with blackjack variants. Let me share an example lol:
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September 2nd, 2026 at 6:59:10 AM permalink
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I left my chart on the table and was told it couldn't be there. So I had to put it in my shirt pocket and refer to it when my memory of the chart was uncertain. This especially goes for Spanish 21 too.
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True, contrary to popular belief, many casinos will not let you have a strategy sheet at the table. I assume this is legal/fair.
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If you can't drink it, smoke it, or gamble it... it doesn't belong on the felt.
That said, some casinos have a drink rail outside the bumper, beyond the felt, where "foreign" objects can go. Drinks, smokes, ashtrays, lighters, strategy cards, lucky charms, keys... Only chips (cheques) stay on the felt apron.
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September 2nd, 2026 at 7:06:11 AM permalink
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If you can't drink it, smoke it, or gamble it... it doesn't belong on the felt.
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I kept the paper on my lap like a napkin and never put it on the table. Still, when I asked I was told it was not allowed at two different casinos (tribal casinos in California and Minnesota).
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September 2nd, 2026 at 7:11:06 AM permalink
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If you can't drink it, smoke it, or gamble it... it doesn't belong on the felt.
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I kept the paper on my lap like a napkin and never put it on the table. Still, when I asked I was told it was not allowed at two different casinos (tribal casinos in California and Minnesota).
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That is unusual. I'm curious what they objected to.
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September 2nd, 2026 at 7:22:40 AM permalink
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That is unusual. I'm curious what they objected to.
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this was before I sat down - I just showed a pitboss the sheet and they let me know I couldn't reference it out when playing. if there is some law that favors gamblers in this case please let me know. this could be the successor to my "atlantic city not paying out 777/678 bonus after split hands" legal controversy.
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September 2nd, 2026 at 7:31:02 AM permalink
I've had casinos examine my handmade sheets, and it is a crapshoot whether they allow them.
A pit boss at the EC wouldn't allow my homemade chart but allowed the card sold in the gift shop.
Any sheet that is cryptic and not in simple English with Arabic numerals will be highly suspect, and it's doubtful it will be allowed. Schessinger's cards look like ordinary BS sheets but also have hidden count-dependent cells. No pit boss ever picked them up.
As I understand it, it is at the pit's discretion to allow anything other than chips on the felt.
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September 2nd, 2026 at 7:33:39 AM permalink
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That is unusual. I'm curious what they objected to.
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this was before I sat down - I just showed a pitboss the sheet and they let me know I couldn't reference it out when playing. if there is some law that favors gamblers in this case please let me know. this could be the successor to my "atlantic city not paying out 777/678 bonus after split hands" legal controversy.
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I'm not aware of a requirement that casinos let you use a reference... just a typically extended courtesy.
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September 2nd, 2026 at 7:35:15 AM permalink
Sorry I should have mentioned that the two times my sheets were rejected, they were in English.

Does "on the felt" literally mean "on the felt" or figuratively mean "at the table" in this case?
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September 2nd, 2026 at 7:39:40 AM permalink
evidently there are instances of cards being taken out of play and hidden under cheatsheets laid on the felt
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September 2nd, 2026 at 7:41:43 AM permalink
I have never put anything other than chips on the felt so the table and felt itself should not be a factor here. What if I had a tattoo of the basic strategy chart? I saw a man with a blackjack basic strategy shirt in DC a few years ago.
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September 2nd, 2026 at 8:44:02 AM permalink
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evidently there are instances of cards being taken out of play and hidden under cheatsheets laid on the felt
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Don't the cocktail waitresses put napkins under your drinks? What kind of a place is this?
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September 2nd, 2026 at 9:17:06 AM permalink
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evidently there are instances of cards being taken out of play and hidden under cheatsheets laid on the felt
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Don't the cocktail waitresses put napkins under your drinks? What kind of a place is this?
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The kind that uses "Slide Under Cup Holder"s.
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September 2nd, 2026 at 9:52:59 AM permalink
I was at the Big Horn one day, playing at first base. I spread out some stuff to my right, and the pit boss had no issue. He was wandering around and didn't pay much attention to my table. After about twenty minutes, he came by and, looking at his sheets, realized I had a lot more chips than before. Suddenly, having a Frommer's guide, my keys, and my phone on the table is a big deal, and he won't let the dealer proceed until I move them. The winds shifted, and my cards began to revert to the norm. I cashed out about half of what I'd been up, and I'm sure the pit boss thought he had saved the casino a small fortune.
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September 2nd, 2026 at 10:48:56 AM permalink
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I was at the Big Horn one day, playing at first base. I spread out some stuff to my right, and the pit boss had no issue. He was wandering around and didn't pay much attention to my table. After about twenty minutes, he came by and, looking at his sheets, realized I had a lot more chips than before. Suddenly, having a Frommer's guide, my keys, and my phone on the table is a big deal, and he won't let the dealer proceed until I move them. The winds shifted, and my cards began to revert to the norm. I cashed out about half of what I'd been up, and I'm sure the pit boss thought he had saved the casino a small fortune.
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I'd think some of that was just for general security and not inviting crime. He has plenty to watch and doesn't want to have to worry about someone stealing your valuables.

That might be a good diversion tactic. I leave my phone on the table, my partner comes around and takes it, and while we're "dealing with" him my other partner is applying the daub or the bend or mucking cards or doing whatever it is we are doing. But it turns out to be an honest mistake- he couldn't find his phone (it was zipped in an odd pocket in his jacket) but what a coincidence, it looks exactly like mine and he thought he had left it at the table. OK back to the game!
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September 2nd, 2026 at 12:16:50 PM permalink
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Sorry I should have mentioned that the two times my sheets were rejected, they were in English.

Does "on the felt" literally mean "on the felt" or figuratively mean "at the table" in this case?
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A friend just sent me his business card. This strategy chart might be small enough to be overlooked, as it is smaller than a common playing card.

I did mean on the table, inside the cushion. Again, some casinos have a table area outside the cushion, but this is not a particularly common modern table design... although it does reduce drink spills on the cards.
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September 2nd, 2026 at 12:19:49 PM permalink
I usually have my strategy charts printed up on a PC and sized to be taped onto 3" x 5" index cards and wrapped in clear mailing tape. This also includes my betting charts that I stick in a small envelope so I can pull one out if needed.

I had my chips on the felt at one table and was told they had to be pushed back towards me to the drink apron. It kind of makes it hard to dodge the drink bottle holes in the table. So if I'm running like 10 stacks of chips, I have less room to maneuver.
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