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September 20th, 2023 at 4:21:16 PM permalink
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Mathematically, there is no information carried in a random pattern, therefore there is no information to exploit.
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If you're talking about true random, like the numbers they get off of decaying radioactive material, you are correct. As far as I know that's the purest random they've found and I've seen those numbers and they are chaotic, unusable. But there are shades of random as casinos well know. They know that the pseudo random produced by their slot machines is not true random but it's close enough that they can make money on it.

When you get a roulette wheel that has a human dealer and a mechanical wheel, you do not get true random results. What you get is kind of sort of random, random enough that your average players will be the victim of the house edge in the long run and the casino will make money. The numbers that come off of a live roulette wheel spun by a human are very exploitable.

I have quite a bit of experience trying to use the numbers produced at random.org which gets there information from outer space radio noise. And it's pretty darn random, sometimes I can beat it sometimes I can't I would not want to be up against it in a casino. This is why I always seek out live dealer roulette games because I can't beat the RNG games, they are too random.

I remember in 2007 at Four Winds Casino they installed the first multiplayer computer run roulette game. It had a huge screen with a CGI of a beautiful roulette dealer spinning on a CGI wheel and all the roulette players were very excited. All the regulars. It lasted about 2 weeks and they all said exactly the same thing. They said the numbers are different, the numbers are screwy, the numbers aren't right. They couldn't win and they were used to winning on the live roulette wheels. So they gave up on it and went back to the regular wheels and that CGI machine lasted about 6 months before they pulled it out because nobody wanted to play it cuz you couldn't win on it. The problem is getting people like you to understand that all random is not the same.
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September 20th, 2023 at 4:54:59 PM permalink
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100,000 hours practicing the impossible gets you the same results as a guy who has zero time practicing. You wasted thousands of hours on nonsense.
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LOL! You keep repeating the same thing over and over like you think you know what you're talking about. You want so badly for it to be true that you pretend it is true. You have convinced yourself it can't be done and so you pretend that nobody can do it. Luckily for me I didn't know any of that stuff when I started, nobody told me I couldn't do it. So I did it.




The best revenge is success, however, if you can't make it, fake it.

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Does Axel ever have a point? What is it, he never gets to it. He just repeats the same stuff over and over.
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I need to think about that for a minute.
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September 20th, 2023 at 5:20:23 PM permalink
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who is to say a seventy-five-year-old man can't defy math?
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Remind me again, what math is it exactly that I'm defying? Not the LLN, we already had that discussion. So go ahead and tell me about the math. Albert Einstein looked at the math and he said the only way to beat roulette was the steal money from the table when the croupier wasn't looking. But Einstein was wrong, I can win at roulette on a regular basis. But Einstein was wrong a lot about math. He was so wrong, they have his errors grouped from major errors all the way down to minor errors. He was wrong a LOT. Roulette was just one of his minor errors.
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Einstein spent a lifetime doing math, so he might be expected to have made some errors along the way. You never put any math in any of your posts to avoid showing your failings in this area.


You may be getting forgetful, so I will remind you of the first sentence of the Wiki page on randomness:
"In common usage, randomness is the apparent or actual lack of definite pattern or predictability in information."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness

You claim to select bets when there is, in fact, 'an actual lack of definite pattern or predictability in information'. You are seeing patterns where there are none and then making absurd and unsubstantiated claims to keep yourself at the center of attention. And then you wonder why not a single person here believes you.
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It seems his strategy is working, no?
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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September 20th, 2023 at 6:40:41 PM permalink
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When you get a roulette wheel that has a human dealer and a mechanical wheel, you do not get true random results. What you get is kind of sort of random, random enough that your average players will be the victim of the house edge in the long run and the casino will make money. The numbers that come off of a live roulette wheel spun by a human are very exploitable.

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"Randomness is hard to come by. At least things that are absolutely, positively, 100 percent random.
Take the example of a roulette wheel: It may seem that the number the ball falls on is a random event, but Antonio Acin of the Institute of Photonic Sciences in Barcelona says it's not...
In fact, he says everything that appears random in our world may just appear random because of lack of knowledge." https://www.npr.org/2010/04/14/125993584/safer-than-a-gamble-finding-truly-random-numbers
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September 20th, 2023 at 6:55:01 PM permalink
The article seems to be saying that the wheel doesn't need to be perfectly random as long as you don't have the information needed to predict the outcome. Certainly that lack of knowledge pertains to the future course of the ball, and has nothing to do with the previous spins.
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September 20th, 2023 at 7:42:39 PM permalink
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The article seems to be saying that the wheel doesn't need to be perfectly random as long as you don't have the information needed to predict the outcome. Certainly that lack of knowledge pertains to the future course of the ball, and has nothing to do with the previous spins.
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I didn't even read most of the article. All I wanted was that quote from it. What about my post before that. Roulette is not truly random it's just kind of sort of random.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/3831-how-much-gamble-do-you-have/5/#post901257
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September 20th, 2023 at 9:07:41 PM permalink
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The article seems to be saying that the wheel doesn't need to be perfectly random as long as you don't have the information needed to predict the outcome. Certainly that lack of knowledge pertains to the future course of the ball, and has nothing to do with the previous spins.
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I didn't even read most of the article. All I wanted was that quote from it. What about my post before that. Roulette is not truly random it's just kind of sort of random.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/3831-how-much-gamble-do-you-have/5/#post901257
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And yet, you previously claimed it was truly random on more than one occasion, lol. My previous point is...you'll change your stories, flipflop, and come up with nonsense just to keep up this facade of beating randomness because you were badly hurt by your fellow gambling peers. Having people believe your roulette experiment was a failure IS NOT AN OPTION.

Regardless, even if it wasn't 100% random, it isn't enough to overcome the HA, and it certainly doesn't explain you're ludicrous 80% hit rate claims.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 20th, 2023 at 9:56:36 PM permalink
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You said somewhere that you got heat for writing down toat boards and you weren't even playing.
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Only in Las Vegas, never happens any place else.

So it's possible those scorecards could've been filled out without a single wager ever being made.

It's 2023, and cell phone cameras are super good nowadays try getting a quality picture not so strangely pixilated.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 20th, 2023 at 9:59:00 PM permalink
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Regardless, even if it wasn't 100% random, it isn't enough to overcome the HA,
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The HA is a joke when you figure out how to read random. It's a fart in the wind, it never even occurs to me to think about it. It's a giant nothing burger. Much like your constant armchair psychologist ramblings. To me you're just a kid, you're the same age as one of my children and I take you about as seriously as I take them.
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September 20th, 2023 at 10:16:21 PM permalink
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Regardless, even if it wasn't 100% random, it isn't enough to overcome the HA,
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The HA is a joke when you figure out how to read random. It's a fart in the wind, it never even occurs to me to think about it. It's a giant nothing burger. Much like your constant armchair psychologist ramblings. To me you're just a kid, you're the same age as one of my children and I take you about as seriously as I take them.
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And yet you're the guy claiming he can read randomness with an 80% hit rate using chicken scratch score cards and notebooks.

It's amazing since Government agencies, stock investors, the military, NASA, gamblers, hackers, mathematicians, and scientists would all pay billions for this ability and knowledge that would change the world. And yet you claimed to have figured it out simply using score sheets and notebooks.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 20th, 2023 at 11:24:28 PM permalink
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It's amazing since Government agencies, stock investors, the military, NASA, gamblers, hackers, mathematicians, and scientists would all pay billions for this ability and knowledge

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No, what's amazing is the dream world you live in, sonny. Kind of sad..
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September 21st, 2023 at 1:37:44 AM permalink
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I need to think about that for a minute.
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While you are thinking about it, consider whether this thread has maybe been hijacked into another "I can: No you cannot: Yes I can" squabble.?

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September 21st, 2023 at 2:10:10 AM permalink
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It's amazing since Government agencies, stock investors, the military, NASA, gamblers, hackers, mathematicians, and scientists would all pay billions for this ability and knowledge

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No, what's amazing is the dream world you live in, sonny. Kind of sad..
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Said the guy with the amazing dream that adds up to paying a few hundred a month in bills.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 21st, 2023 at 6:25:00 AM permalink
Now I see why EB has such a high post count. He can't NOT respond to anyone that mentions his name or quotes a post of his, and he can't figure out how to multi-quote to respond to more than one person in a post.

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All those roads are just derivatives of the mainstream



Just like in Roulette. There's only one ball in one wheel at a time. At least in Baccarat there are two hands dealt. Right there I am already dealing with twice as much info as you're getting in Roulette.

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Because you haven't learned how to read them. Sad. It's a goldmine. Why do you think all the biggest whales in the world are playing Baccarat and not Roulette?

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Still waiting for someone to point out the math that I am defying,



I will gladly do this. Simply post the math behind your method and I will show you where you've gone wrong. Saying "the casinos pay me every damn day" is not math. I need to see hard numbers and equations. Then I will be more than happy to show what you are defying.

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We know it's not the LLN, that does not apply to me.
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Kindly show the math that demonstrates the LLN does not apply to you, and I will show you where you've gone wrong. Remember, I need numbers and equations, not words.

Once you've done that, I will show you how you are wrong.

I'll wait. Thanks.
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September 21st, 2023 at 7:29:14 AM permalink
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Kindly show the math that demonstrates the LLN does not apply to you, and I will show you where you've gone wrong. Remember, I need numbers and equations, not words.

Once you've done that, I will show you how you are wrong.

I'll wait. Thanks.
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You will be waiting a long time. EB is not subject to the rigors of numbers and equations. Based on his posts, he does not appear to be familiar with either.

EB can vanquish a house advantage like 'a fart in the wind'. But the weapon he uses is words, not math.

The reason EB posts so often is to make his evasions move so far upthread that they are quickly forgotten.
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September 21st, 2023 at 7:35:18 AM permalink
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You will be waiting a long time. EB is not subject to the rigors of numbers and equations. Based on his posts, he does not appear to be familiar with either.



Yup...lol...my point exactly.

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The reason EB posts so often is to make his evasions move so far upthread that they are quickly forgotten.
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The ol' "firehose of falsehoods" debate tactic. Somewhat related to the gish-gallop. EB seems to be a fan of both.
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September 21st, 2023 at 8:08:02 AM permalink
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You will be waiting a long time.

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You people are the ones constantly accusing me of beating the math now you want me to provide math to you because you can't answer my question? Good luck with that. As far as the LLN goes, we have to go down that road again? Really? With me quoting experts that say anything done in the short term it's not affected by the LLN in any way. That was just last week and you've forgotten it already?

Mental, I answered your question here and you're ignoring this post. I'm going to keep bringing this up until you address it because it's important and that's why you're ignoring it.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/3831-how-much-gamble-do-you-have/5/#post901257
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September 21st, 2023 at 8:13:56 AM permalink
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Just like in Roulette. There's only one ball in one wheel at a time. At least in Baccarat there are two hands dealt. Right there I am already dealing with twice as much info as you're getting in Roulet
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In baccarat you have one shoe and two possible outcomes. In roulette you have one wheel and 38 possible outcomes. How do you figure those are in any way the same. The roads are useless because they are derived from only two outcomes whereas in roulette you have 38 outcomes to work with in the possibility of multiple streams of information. In baccarat you have exactly one stream of information.
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September 21st, 2023 at 8:14:27 AM permalink
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You people are the ones constantly accusing me of beating the math now you want me to provide math to you because you can't answer my question? Good luck with that.



We can't answer your question until you show us the math behind your method. Simple really. You claimed to have beaten roulette. The burden of proof is on you to support that claim. Once you provide the math behind how you have beaten roulette, we can show you, mathematically, where you've gone wrong.

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As far as the LLN goes, we have to go down that road again? Really? With me quoting experts that say anything done in the short term it's not affected by the LLN in any way.
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Short term? No. But you've been gambling for decades, so it's no longer the short term.
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September 21st, 2023 at 10:15:10 AM permalink
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As far as the LLN goes, we have to go down that road again? Really? With me quoting experts that say anything done in the short term it's not affected by the LLN in any way. That was just last week and you've forgotten it already?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/3831-how-much-gamble-do-you-have/5/#post901257
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I've seen that a lot in EB's comments on the LLN: 'Affects'

He wants someone to show how the LLN 'affects' events and outcomes in the short term.
The LLN doesn't AFFECT small numbers of spins. It does not AFFECT large or even infinite number of spins!

Can I just remind him and others that the LLN does not AFFECT anything! The LLN DESCRIBES a tendency.

"the law of large numbers (LLN) is a theorem* that describes the result of performing the same experiment a large number of times. "

As to how the LLN DESCRIBES the short term of roulette spins, it describes how the outcomes will TEND towards an average outcome as the number of spins increases.
But it's all rather academic. After a FINITE, KNOWN number of spins, there is plenty of maths to describe what the probability is of being ahead or behind overall. But it's too much to hope that someone who doesn't understand percentages, let alone probability, to understand confidence limits.

Can I just say that I think it's most sad that EB claims to know how to beat roulette, and that he has thrown away masses of research material, but he seems to have no inclination to pass on the 'method' to his peers or to his children or grandchildren. If I had such knowledge, I'd bend over backwards to leave the knowledge to someone that I cared about, or ANYONE. As it stands, EB's Method seems likely to die with him. What a legacy! All that will remain will be tens of thousands of posts that don't reveal anything**

*Theorem= a theory that has been proven.
** Well maybe something, but nothing of value.
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September 21st, 2023 at 10:41:28 AM permalink
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100,000 hours practicing the impossible gets you the same results as a guy who has zero time practicing. You wasted thousands of hours on nonsense.
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LOL! You keep repeating the same thing over and over like you think you know what you're talking about. You want so badly for it to be true that you pretend it is true. You have convinced yourself it can't be done and so you pretend that nobody can do it. Luckily for me I didn't know any of that stuff when I started, nobody told me I couldn't do it. So I did it.




The best revenge is success, however, if you can't make it, fake it.

WTF are you talking about AW?

One must go back and read how Bob was ganged up on, ridiculed, shamed, and laughed at when he first presented his questions on GG about his possible ability to beat roulette. He recently said that to this day he still hurts from that(something along those lines). After reading that, I actually felt legit empathy for him, It was kind of sad.

I thought, here is this prideful lonely cat man who is very passionate about something he feels might be a legitimate winning method/system (probably after a winning streak), only to have his spirit and soul crushed to smithereens by the community he thought would embrace and help him. That's some everlasting powerful $h!+ right there, and that probably changed him forever.

Yes, I felt sad for him, but that didn't last long after remembering how he revels in other's misery.

We have seen how Bob reacts when he's wrong(wrong about Obama), and we have seen how much it hurts him to admit being wrong.

I believe Bob was hurt so badly by those who ridiculed, shamed, and laughed at him that he would say or do anything to convince us of his success. Because the best revenge is success. If you can't make it, fake it.

Bob would probably claim he didn't read this. Predictable Bob.
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Great post. Shorter version….

EB does not win at roulette. EB has never won at roulette ‘to pay his bills’. EB knows the two statements are true. EB has been given multiple opportunities to attempt to show they are false. He has failed.

EB does not win at baccarat. EB has never won at baccarat ‘to pay his bills’.

Those are indisputable facts.

What is amazing about this is that (it is possible?) that EB actually thinks ANYONE believes him? That there would be a member who involved in the gambling world who would be stupid enough to believe him?


(Cue EB ranting about me wanting to be the smartest guy in the toom….). - - when even the dumbest guy in this room knows EB’s claims are patently false.
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September 21st, 2023 at 10:55:26 AM permalink
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(Cue EB ranting about me wanting to be the smartest guy in the toom….). - - when even the dumbest guy in this room knows EB’s claims are patently false.
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LOL! Right on cue, the 'doctor' spews his opinion which is exactly the same every time he spews it. Almost word for word. The biggest kick I get in my life right now, and it's a big one, is whenever I play in the evening and the casino pays me I think about all the blankety-blanks (fill in the blanks) here and how blankety-blank they are. How everybody knows what's going on with me but they actually don't know blankety-blank. Waves of superiority actually wash over me, it's probably the dopamine. I'm addicted to it. Sigh..

"Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that is released by the brain when we experience pleasure. It is also known as the "pleasure hormone". Dopamine is released when we do something that makes us feel good"
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September 21st, 2023 at 10:58:05 AM permalink
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"Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that is released by the brain when we experience pleasure. It is also known as the "pleasure hormone". Dopamine is released when we do something that makes us feel good"
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...like gambling.
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September 21st, 2023 at 10:58:15 AM permalink
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As to how the LLN
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If you think you're going to suck me into another LLN discussion, think again. You obviously don't remember but we did all this last week and I'm not going to do it again. What I do in the short term has nothing to do with the long term, end of story, move on, discussion over. Blah blah blah.
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September 21st, 2023 at 11:02:06 AM permalink
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"Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that is released by the brain when we experience pleasure. It is also known as the "pleasure hormone". Dopamine is released when we do something that makes us feel good"
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...like gambling.
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Kind of I guess, but I don't gamble so I wouldn't know. It's winning consistently when everybody says you can't. I actually think it's a bigger dopamine high then regular gambling is. I expect to win so it absolutely never surprises me when I do. That's been going on for years and years. But to be able to have the last laugh, even if it's a private one to myself, most of you have no idea what that's like.
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September 21st, 2023 at 11:34:12 AM permalink
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Regardless, even if it wasn't 100% random, it isn't enough to overcome the HA,
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The HA is a joke when you figure out how to read random. It's a fart in the wind, it never even occurs to me to think about it. It's a giant nothing burger. Much like your constant armchair psychologist ramblings. To me you're just a kid, you're the same age as one of my children and I take you about as seriously as I take them.
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How does one have a conversation or debate with an individual who disrespects and slurs their children? Can anyone believe or accept the postings or statements of such a party? Why would anyone believe he is credible?

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September 21st, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM permalink
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Great post. Shorter version….

EB does not win at roulette. EB has never won at roulette ‘to pay his bills’. EB knows the two statements are true. ...

Those are indisputable facts.


I dispute one of those facts:
I believe that EB does not win at roulette (in the way that he describes). Not even close. He might win maybe 48% or so of wagers placed. 100% of some: 80% of some: 0% of some.
EB might have won at roulette ‘to pay some of his bills'. But equally, he transferred funds to his bankroll to pay for his wagers. He just cannot acknowledge the latter.

But the biggie...
EB does NOT know the two statements are true. He denies himself the ability to see the truth. Make of that what you will.
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What is amazing about this is that (it is possible?) that EB actually thinks ANYONE believes him? That there would be a member who involved in the gambling world who would be stupid enough to believe him?



One doesn't need to be stupid to believe him. EB, himself is not stupid. There's another explanation.

EB believes himself. He cares deeply to never NOT believe himself, because if that ever happened, he would have less than the nothing that he has now. Thus he will defend his narrative to his death-bed. What a legacy he will leave! "Hey, come see what Dad left us in his will, a box of scribblings with zero useful explanation. Maybe we should ask his friends at the forum what the buried secret is."

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Even the dumbest guy in this room knows EB’s claims are patently false.
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Smart/dumb doesn't cover the entire range. EB is a pretty smart guy, lucid and capable of logic. But not capable of two things. One is 'Educated guessing' and the other is admitting the evidence of his first failing.... Even to himself.

What's that EB? You didn't read it? Yada Yada? You read it, but easier to dismiss reading it than acknowledging it.
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September 21st, 2023 at 11:41:10 AM permalink
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How does one have a conversation or debate with an individual who disrespects and slurs their children?

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How is that slurring your children. Parents don't go to their children for advice, your children are your children you automatically assume they know less than you do because you remember most of the time they don't. You never hear a parent say I'm confused, I know, I'll ask my kids what I should do. That would be a pretty pathetic parent. My parents certainly never asked me anything, right up to his dying day my dad thought there was something wrong with us because our lives were so different than his. But I'm sure your parents come to you all the time because you're so wise, right? LOL
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September 21st, 2023 at 11:45:31 AM permalink
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How does one have a conversation or debate with an individual who disrespects and slurs their children?

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How is that slurring your children. Parents don't go to their children for advice, your children are your children you automatically assume they know less than you do because you remember most of the time they don't. You never hear a parent say I'm confused, I know, I'll ask my kids what I should do. That would be a pretty pathetic parent. My parents certainly never asked me anything, right up to his dying day my dad thought there was something wrong with us because our lives were so different than his. But I'm sure your parents come to you all the time because you're so wise, right? LOL
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Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case.

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September 21st, 2023 at 11:49:06 AM permalink
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I believe that EB does not win at roulette (in the way that he describes). Not even close

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And your silly beliefs have what to do with reality, exactly. Absolutely nothing. Your beliefs change nothing about the reality of what I do. This is why I never comment on Mdawg's claims about what he does in the casino. I don't know what he does because I've never seen him do it so for me to comment on it would be superfluous, meaningless. Maybe he does it, maybe he doesn't. So my belief in what he does, which would be based on zero facts, would have no effect on anything, so I just leave the subject alone. That's what smart people do..
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September 21st, 2023 at 11:49:51 AM permalink
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How does one have a conversation or debate with an individual who disrespects and slurs their children?

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How is that slurring your children. Parents don't go to their children for advice, your children are your children you automatically assume they know less than you do because you remember most of the time they don't. You never hear a parent say I'm confused, I know, I'll ask my kids what I should do. That would be a pretty pathetic parent. My parents certainly never asked me anything, right up to his dying day my dad thought there was something wrong with us because our lives were so different than his. But I'm sure your parents come to you all the time because you're so wise, right? LOL
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Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case.

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You can't rest something you never had. LOL
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September 21st, 2023 at 11:51:59 AM permalink
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How does one have a conversation or debate with an individual who disrespects and slurs their children?

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How is that slurring your children. Parents don't go to their children for advice, your children are your children you automatically assume they know less than you do because you remember most of the time they don't. You never hear a parent say I'm confused, I know, I'll ask my kids what I should do. That would be a pretty pathetic parent. My parents certainly never asked me anything, right up to his dying day my dad thought there was something wrong with us because our lives were so different than his. But I'm sure your parents come to you all the time because you're so wise, right? LOL
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Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case.

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You can't rest something you never had. LOL
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Ladies and gentlemen, I continue to rest my case.

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September 21st, 2023 at 12:04:12 PM permalink
EB seems like he's in a particularly bad mood today.... he must've gotten taken for a whole $3 at the Roulette tables for him to be this bitter.

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The HA is a joke when you figure out how to read random. It's a fart in the wind, it never even occurs to me to think about it. It's a giant nothing burger. Much like your constant armchair psychologist ramblings. To me you're just a kid, you're the same age as one of my children and I take you about as seriously as I take them.
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How does one have a conversation or debate with an individual who disrespects and slurs their children? Can anyone believe or accept the postings or statements of such a party? Why would anyone believe he is credible?

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I once got suspended here for likening someone to a child. Got told it was a personal insult.
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September 21st, 2023 at 12:11:15 PM permalink
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EB seems like he's in a particularly bad mood today.... he must've gotten taken for a whole $3 at the Roulette tables for him to be this bitter.

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The HA is a joke when you figure out how to read random. It's a fart in the wind, it never even occurs to me to think about it. It's a giant nothing burger. Much like your constant armchair psychologist ramblings. To me you're just a kid, you're the same age as one of my children and I take you about as seriously as I take them.
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How does one have a conversation or debate with an individual who disrespects and slurs their children? Can anyone believe or accept the postings or statements of such a party? Why would anyone believe he is credible?

tuttigym
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I once got suspended here for likening someone to a child. Got told it was a personal insult.
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Read the post again, Tiger.

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September 21st, 2023 at 12:21:55 PM permalink
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EB seems like he's in a particularly bad mood today.... he must've gotten taken for a whole $3 at the Roulette tables for him to be this bitter.

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The HA is a joke when you figure out how to read random. It's a fart in the wind, it never even occurs to me to think about it. It's a giant nothing burger. Much like your constant armchair psychologist ramblings. To me you're just a kid, you're the same age as one of my children and I take you about as seriously as I take them.
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How does one have a conversation or debate with an individual who disrespects and slurs their children? Can anyone believe or accept the postings or statements of such a party? Why would anyone believe he is credible?

tuttigym
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I once got suspended here for likening someone to a child. Got told it was a personal insult.
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Read the post again, Tiger.

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Oh, wow, I did.... What EB said is actually worse than I originally thought.... LOL
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September 21st, 2023 at 12:25:20 PM permalink
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How does one have a conversation or debate with an individual who disrespects and slurs their children?

tuttigym
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Parents don't go to their children for advice, your children are your children you automatically assume they know less than you do because you remember most of the time they don't. You never hear a parent say I'm confused, I know, I'll ask my kids what I should do. That would be a pretty pathetic parent. My parents certainly never asked me anything, right up to his dying day my dad thought there was something wrong with us because our lives were so different than his. But I'm sure your parents come to you all the time because you're so wise, right? LOL
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https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/37509-evenbob/18/#post864168]
On Sunday I sent the Markov chain article to my daughter who I've said many times here is a college math professor. She doesn't teach this kind of math so she sent it to a math professor friend of hers who does. She got an email from her today saying that she looked at it and the math seemed sound to her. I'm still waiting for somebody here to debunk it. I'm in the process of trying to get ahold of the author of the article to see if he's doing any more work on this or what his thoughts are today about it.


Not asking for help or advice of your kids?
You know more than they do.

Anyway. How did that work out?
I wonder if you've shared your 'method' with your daughter, you know as a gift to her?
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September 21st, 2023 at 12:36:41 PM permalink
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How does one have a conversation or debate with an individual who disrespects and slurs their children?

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Parents don't go to their children for advice, your children are your children you automatically assume they know less than you do because you remember most of the time they don't. You never hear a parent say I'm confused, I know, I'll ask my kids what I should do. That would be a pretty pathetic parent. My parents certainly never asked me anything, right up to his dying day my dad thought there was something wrong with us because our lives were so different than his. But I'm sure your parents come to you all the time because you're so wise, right? LOL
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To me you're just a kid, you're the same age as one of my children and I take you about as seriously as I take them.
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https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/37509-evenbob/18/#post864168
On Sunday I sent the Markov chain article to my daughter who I've said many times here is a college math professor. She doesn't teach this kind of math so she sent it to a math professor friend of hers who does. She got an email from her today saying that she looked at it and the math seemed sound to her. I'm still waiting for somebody here to debunk it. I'm in the process of trying to get ahold of the author of the article to see if he's doing any more work on this or what his thoughts are today about it.


Not asking for help or advice of your kids?
You know more than they do.

Anyway. How did that work out?
I wonder if you've shared your 'method' with your daughter, you know as a gift to her?
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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September 21st, 2023 at 1:22:55 PM permalink
The only thing that matters is if EB really believes. I'm not sure which is worse. He spends hours every day trolling strangers over nonsense or that he truly believes he can see patterns in roulette.
In any event, I find it incredulous that this is allowed to spread through multiple threads.
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September 21st, 2023 at 2:13:15 PM permalink
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Anyway. How did that work out?
I wonder if you've shared your 'method' with your daughter, you know as a gift to her?
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I forgot about that. One of the few freaking times I want to ask one of my kids something because they might know more about it than I do and of course she knows absolutely nothing about it. So she gives it to somebody who does and never hears from them again. So I go and ask her what happened and she said she doesn't know but she's not going to ask because she would be too embarrassed. I keep forgetting I'm dealing with a woman. She doesn't want to make the other woman feel foolish because she probably forgot so she's just going to forget about it.

As far as sharing my method with her, she's totally against gambling. She's way too into her church to ever go into a casino. One time about 12 years ago I took her husband, my son-in-law, when we were visiting, to the same Casino where Face used to work. You know, the moderator here, Face. He always said to look him up if we ever stopped into his Casino but of course he wasn't there. So I won about 50 bucks for the kid and he said don't tell my wife so I didn't but I made the mistake of telling my wife who told his wife and the crap hit the fan. My daughter went ballistic on both of us and needless to say I'll never do that again.

Then there's my ex priest math teacher friend who died last year at age 88. He was a math teacher for 45 years and I would ask him about my method but because it involved probability math he knew nothing about it. He literally was old school, he graduated from college in the mid fifties when they were taught that probability math was Voodoo math, it wasn't real math. So I'm batting 0% with math people in my life. Turns out I know more about it than they do. LOL
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The only thing that matters is if EB really believes. I'm not sure which is worse. He spends hours every day trolling strangers over nonsense or that he truly believes he can see patterns in roulette.
In any event, I find it incredulous that this is allowed to spread through multiple threads.
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The trolling is worse. Nobody would care if he was just some dude here that really believed in his system. There are plenty of gamblers that are like that yet don't make thousands of posts of insufferable and argumentative nonsense.

As far as it spreading through multiple threads, well, all of us who respond to his nonsense are partly to blame for that as well....lol
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So I'm batting 0% with math people in my life. Turns out I know more about it than they do. LOL
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You should find some forum or something on the internet that specifically caters towards the mathematics of gambling and post everything there.
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September 21st, 2023 at 2:23:17 PM permalink
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The only thing that matters is if EB really believes.
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No no NO! I keep repeating this over and over, what I believe means absolutely nothing. It's what the casino believes that counts. If I play at the casino and do nothing but win and they pay me my belief has nothing to do with anything. They just verified me and they do it over and over and over. Why is this so hard to understand? Why do I have to keep repeating this. My belief is irrelevant, the casino is God in this situation. If I was doing nothing but betting virtually then yeah, I'd be full of crap. But I'm not, duh, I lay my money on the line every single day.

It's like I never posted the pictures of my roulette cards showing that I actually went to the casino for years betting actual money. Everybody's just totally ignoring that like it doesn't exist. Amazing.
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You should find some forum or something on the internet that specifically caters towards the mathematics of gambling and post everything there.
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What do you think this place is, duh. Look who used to own it and started it, the number one math guy in Las Vegas. Look how many math people are here. My favorite saying among math people is, a math game can only be beaten by math. Which is ridiculous. You don't have to know anything about math to play casino games and win. The transmission in your car is built totally on math, of which you need to know absolutely zero about if you're going to drive your car. I have yet to have anybody tell me what math there is that says I can't use patterns and trends to win. Mental tried yesterday, and I gave him a good answer and he refuses to respond to it so what does that tell us. It speaks volumes.
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September 21st, 2023 at 2:33:56 PM permalink
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You should find some forum or something on the internet that specifically caters towards the mathematics of gambling and post everything there.
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What do you think this place is, duh. Look who used to own it and started it, the number one math guy in Las Vegas. Look how many math people are here

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September 21st, 2023 at 2:34:11 PM permalink
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The only thing that matters is if EB really believes. I'm not sure which is worse. He spends hours every day trolling strangers over nonsense or that he truly believes he can see patterns in roulette.
In any event, I find it incredulous that this is allowed to spread through multiple threads.
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It is a pretty deep question, with no answers that put EB in a good light.

Are we respondents his enablers? Should we ALL stop giving him the attention? I doubt we could ever ALL collectively stop reacting to his absurd claims, which he now injects into diverse threads, almost at will. So it goes on and on and on as long as someone is there calling his posts out, then he has a reason to be here.
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Wizard and the moderators shrug and let him get on with it, and I believe that they truly are his enablers. Wizard's house: Wizard's rules: Take it or leave it.

I still find it odd/remarkable that EB has stopped posting entirely on his old favourite haunts, even without suffering the mocking and derision that was, and would be allowed on those forums. Maybe they were not giving him the sport which he craves. One could spout nonsense on those forums and have it lapped up by endless wannabes, unlike here where he gets polite debate. Maybe here he just stands out more as a lone voice, unlike the other places where he was just one among many.

It must suck to be lieve
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Wizard and the moderators shrug and let him get on with it, and I believe that they truly are his enablers. Wizard's house: Wizard's rules: Take it or leave it.
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Again, for the hundredth time, show me the math that says I can't do it. Then you'll have a leg to stand on. So far that hasn't happened, and it won't happen. This is what really drives you crazy, not me posting about it, the fact that I can do it and you can't even though I've told you how to do it. All of the math surrounding roulette is predicated on making random bets against random outcomes. None of my bets are random, so as soon as you stop making non-random bets all the math goes right out the window. My bets are extremely deliberate, arrived at from years of observation of the outcomes in roulette. They are the polar opposite of random, and that's why, when done at the right time, they work. The casino verifies this every single time I play.

And as I've said before, the random numbers that are produced by a human being spinning a roulette wheel are just kind of sort of random, that's why it can be beat. I can't do this with an RNG machine because the numbers it produces are way too chaotic. You can't see it because you don't know what you're looking at but experienced roulette players see it every time.
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Again, for the hundredth time, show me the math that says I can't do it.
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September 21st, 2023 at 3:03:54 PM permalink
Who can't help but smile by such an example of authentic gibberish?

His system comes down to making a deliberate bet, and if it is done at the right time, they usually work. If it isn't the right time, I guess they don't work. EZ PZ.
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Anyway. How did that work out?
I wonder if you've shared your 'method' with your daughter, you know as a gift to her?
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I forgot about that. One of the few freaking times I want to ask one of my kids something because they might know more about it than I do and of course she knows absolutely nothing about it.

What sort of Math Professor was she? Kindergarden? If you posed her a Math question, she would have been able to answer it..... If she had the patience and inclination to take you to task and try to reason with you. Or did she just have more sense than that and made here excuses?
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So she gives it to somebody who does and never hears from them again.

Maybe there was some mutual embarrassment at, or by your daughter passing on a mumbo jumbo stupid article on Markov chains and confessing that her Dad really had come up with it?

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So I go and ask her what happened and she said she doesn't know but she's not going to ask because she would be too embarrassed.

Maybe the 'friend' is just swerving the car crash of ever dealing with 'this' (anagram) exercise in futility.

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I keep forgetting I'm dealing with a woman.

Makes you sound like a misogynist...
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She doesn't want to make the other woman feel foolish because she probably forgot so she's just going to forget about it.

... that claims the prowess of reading womens' minds.
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As far as sharing my method with her, she's totally against gambling.

Tell her it's not gambling. I'm sure you could educate and convince her.
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She's way too into her church to ever go into a casino.

She doesn't seem to have followed you by example.
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Then there's my ex priest math teacher friend who died last year at age 88. He was a math teacher for 45 years and I would ask him about my method but because it involved probability math he knew nothing about it.


Now that's hysterical. Seriously!!!!!
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He literally was old school, he graduated from college in the mid fifties when they were taught that probability math was Voodoo math, it wasn't real math.

Probability is fundamental to Maths and has been for centuries.
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So I'm batting 0% with math people in my life. Turns out I know more about it than they do. LOL
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So far math people are batting 0% with you. Some wise ones knew to cross the street and avoid engaging you. You can't be having that. Maybe that's why you spread your narrative here.

Turns out you THINK you know more about it than they do. While they KNOW that you don't. Bless 'em for avoiding you, even where that meant dying at age 88.

LOL
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Again, for the hundredth time, show me the math that says I can't do it.
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