Evenbob's Roulette Thread
September 21st, 2023 at 3:07:24 PM
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Quote: billryanIf it isn't the right time, I guess they don't work.
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Exactly right. If the outcomes are not playing my game it won't work. Where have you heard that before. LOL
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 21st, 2023 at 3:07:31 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
Anyway. How did that work out?
I wonder if you've shared your 'method' with your daughter, you know as a gift to her?
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I forgot about that. One of the few freaking times I want to ask one of my kids something because they might know more about it than I do and of course she knows absolutely nothing about it. So she gives it to somebody who does and never hears from them again. So I go and ask her what happened and she said she doesn't know but she's not going to ask because she would be too embarrassed. I keep forgetting I'm dealing with a woman. She doesn't want to make the other woman feel foolish because she probably forgot so she's just going to forget about it.
I rest my case again. ("dealing with a woman")
tuttigym
September 21st, 2023 at 3:12:21 PM
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Quote: OnceDearWhat sort of Math Professor was she? Kindergarden?
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Be very very very careful here about insulting members of someone's family. That's really uncalled for and it shows your desperation. Knock it off. She doesn't teach probability math so she knew nothing about it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 21st, 2023 at 3:23:59 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: billryanIf it isn't the right time, I guess they don't work.
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Exactly right. If the outcomes are not playing my game it won't work. Where have you heard that before. LOL
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From every broke loser who thought something was due. The timing is just off.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
September 21st, 2023 at 3:58:16 PM
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Quote: billryan
From every broke loser who thought something was due. The timing is just off.
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When are you dealing with random outcomes how can anything ever be due. The roulette wheel resets itself after every spin, every outcome is totally independent from the last outcome therefore nothing is ever due. The outcomes playing my game is something entirely different.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 22nd, 2023 at 3:26:40 AM
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funny, I'm having the opposite experience. All I did was pull a few hundred dollars out this year and evidently BetMGM believes me! .... by cutting me off from all those offers! (even the ones featured on the home page when you are not signed in)Quote: EvenBobQuote: billryanThe only thing that matters is if EB really believes.
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No no NO! I keep repeating this over and over, what I believe means absolutely nothing. It's what the casino believes that counts. If I play at the casino and do nothing but win and they pay me ...
because it's backwards. If you are winning any money at all sooner or later they take a good look and if you've been winning for the reasons they don't like you're SOL.Quote:...my belief has nothing to do with anything. They just verified me and they do it over and over and over. Why is this so hard to understand?
Now this last bit you have been repeating has me wondering if you actually have never bet any money. Surely no person here suspected that? Who would think that? It seems only Bob would think that, why? It actually points to exactly what you are denying.Quote:Why do I have to keep repeating this. My belief is irrelevant, the casino is God in this situation. If I was doing nothing but betting virtually then yeah, I'd be full of crap. But I'm not, duh, I lay my money on the line every single day.
It's like I never posted the pictures of my roulette cards showing that I actually went to the casino for years betting actual money. Everybody's just totally ignoring that like it doesn't exist. Amazing.
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the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 22nd, 2023 at 3:45:01 AM
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I couldn't agree more, best to play safe. Count your losses and strategize before trying again. Just like what others always say, bet what you can lose and those are some wise words.
New Slots Klosh LFG!!
September 22nd, 2023 at 7:42:14 AM
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Now this last bit you have been repeating has me wondering if you actually have never bet any money. Surely no person here suspected that? Who would think that? It seems only Bob would think that, why? It actually points to exactly what you are denying.
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You are joking right? I have been told here over and over and over and over and over that not only don't win at roulette I've never even been in a real Casino. And if I have been in a casino I've never bet a dime in my life. People have been saying that here to me for years and you've never seen it? Whatever..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 22nd, 2023 at 8:28:56 AM
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I have never seen anyone say either thing. Why would they ?Quote: EvenBobQuote: odiousgambit
Now this last bit you have been repeating has me wondering if you actually have never bet any money. Surely no person here suspected that? Who would think that? It seems only Bob would think that, why? It actually points to exactly what you are denying.
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You are joking right? I have been told here over and over and over and over and over that not only don't win at roulette I've never even been in a real Casino. And if I have been in a casino I've never bet a dime in my life. People have been saying that here to me for years and you've never seen it? Whatever..
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the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 22nd, 2023 at 9:20:49 AM
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I've read many posts on this forum and cannot remember ever seeing anyone say that EB has never been in a casino or wagered in a casino.Quote: odiousgambitI have never seen anyone say either thing. Why would they ?Quote: EvenBob
You are joking right? I have been told here over and over and over and over and over that not only don't win at roulette I've never even been in a real Casino. And if I have been in a casino I've never bet a dime in my life. People have been saying that here to me for years and you've never seen it? Whatever..
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Maybe it's like those patterns that he sees, not on the roulette marque, but in his imagination.
'Tis a fine line between reality and imagination. We can share only the former. I'm happy to look at any evidence that that was ever said, but EB does not need to prove it.
If EB is remembering seeing something many, times over many years, something that did not happen, then could he also NOT remember seeing something that did happen frequently? E.g. himself adding funds to his online accounts and then losing wagers?
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 22nd, 2023 at 10:24:14 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitfunny, I'm having the opposite experience. All I did was pull a few hundred dollars out this year and evidently BetMGM believes me! .... by cutting me off from all those offers! (even the ones featured on the home page when you are not signed in)
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I never take offers or bonuses for that reason. Because I know it's the first thing they look at and the first thing they cut off. I had a big argument here with somebody a couple weeks ago who told me I was full of crap, thank you for verifying what I said. If you are an AP online you're way better off never taking any offers.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 22nd, 2023 at 10:29:21 AM
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Quote: OnceDearI've read many posts on this forum and cannot remember ever seeing anyone say that EB has never been in a casino or wagered in a casino.
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It's happened so many times I couldn't possibly count them and you can't remember one of them? LOL. Whatever..
It's why I posted those roulette cards, to show I actually went to a real casino and played for real money. , how many people popped up and said Bob, we never said you didn't. That's because they say it all the time. Things like, there's even more proof that Bob has never been in a casino in his life. Or there's more proof that Bob has never made a real bet in his life. And you've never seen it even once. .. Amazing LOL
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 22nd, 2023 at 11:22:13 AM
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So, you admit an inability to count?Quote: EvenBob
It's happened so many times I couldn't possibly count them...
Quote:It's why I posted those roulette cards, to show I actually went to a real casino and played for real money.
And you say we don't know what proof is!?!
Posting those roulette cards proved nothing about playing for real money. Nothing. Nada. Zip.
They were SOME evidence that you've been in a real casino.
Amazing LOL. Whatever.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 22nd, 2023 at 11:27:41 AM
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Quote: OnceDear
Posting those roulette cards proved nothing about playing for real money.
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Only if you're too blind to see it. If I were to say something is dark you would say it's light. If I were to say something is blue you would say it's red. I'm getting to the point where reading your posts and responding to them are a gigantic waste of time. Luckily we have a feature here that I can use so I don't have to read your posts anymore and that's where it's headed. So you just keep on posting and responding to me but don't expect any responses back. It's a dream come true for you. LOL
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 22nd, 2023 at 11:36:25 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
Posting those roulette cards proved nothing about playing for real money.
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Only if you're too blind to see it. If I were to say something is dark you would say it's light. If I were to say something is blue you would say it's red. I'm getting to the point where reading your posts and responding to them are a gigantic waste of time. Luckily we have a feature here that I can use so I don't have to read your posts anymore and that's where it's headed. So you just keep on posting and responding to me but don't expect any responses back. It's a dream come true for you. LOL
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Do it EB. Block me. You can then play hide and seek with my posts. It will give me great pleasure.
Oh the angst of not acknowledging my comments. Letting me comment without your retaliatory response, which is seldom more than "LOL Whatever"
Block Me. Hide me. Never again know what I'm saying about your content. Go for it.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 22nd, 2023 at 12:45:21 PM
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Here's proof that I have been to the moon!
"Dealer has 'rock'... Pay 'paper!'"
September 22nd, 2023 at 1:50:04 PM
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You were arguing with me. You were wrong then and you are still wrong. I have taken over $1M of promo dollars in the last two years. I have been cut off of promos at exactly one online casino. And that was for hitting two $20K jackpots in one month, not for taking their piddling little $1000 promo cash offers.Quote: EvenBobQuote: odiousgambitfunny, I'm having the opposite experience. All I did was pull a few hundred dollars out this year and evidently BetMGM believes me! .... by cutting me off from all those offers! (even the ones featured on the home page when you are not signed in)
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I never take offers or bonuses for that reason. Because I know it's the first thing they look at and the first thing they cut off. I had a big argument here with somebody a couple weeks ago who told me I was full of crap, thank you for verifying what I said. If you are an AP online you're way better off never taking any offers.
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The post by OG says he got cut off for withdrawing winnings. It is amazing that you are willing to believe something that OG said when he didn't even say it, yet you won't listen to to the people who have real world experience APing online casinos. Even if OG had said he was cut off for taking promos, how is that any punishment? "We have given OG so much money already. Let us cut him off. Good thing EB never takes any free money. We like him!"
I have been clearing $2000 of bonuses per day, and most casinos including MGM seem to like me. I give them action. It is AP action, but it is a lot of high theo hold action. The only thing easier than turning a profit on promo cash would be making up a complete lie about being able to read random.
Please stick to your own fantasy claims. Don't go around giving bad advice that players should avoid taking promo money.
This forum is more enjoyable after I learned how to use the 'Block this user' button.
September 22nd, 2023 at 2:43:42 PM
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Quote: Mental
The post by OG says he got cut off for withdrawing winnings.
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And I got backed off from one of my casinos for doing nothing but taking withdrawals and making no deposits. That has still never been resolved. The state of Michigan finally wrote me back and said there's nothing they can do because the casino said it's on my end which is totally ridiculous because all the other casinos work fine. Of course my state is going to be on the casino side because that's where all their money comes from. So when OG says he got in trouble for withdrawing winnings, I'm certainly going to pay attention.
By the way, are you ever going to address my post about roulette outcomes not being absolute random, they're just kind of sort of random and that's why they can be beat. You raise the question about the math and I answered it and now you refuse to deal with my response.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 22nd, 2023 at 2:53:08 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: odiousgambitfunny, I'm having the opposite experience. All I did was pull a few hundred dollars out this year and evidently BetMGM believes me! .... by cutting me off from all those offers! (even the ones featured on the home page when you are not signed in)
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I never take offers or bonuses for that reason. Because I know it's the first thing they look at and the first thing they cut off. I had a big argument here with somebody a couple weeks ago who told me I was full of crap, thank you for verifying what I said. If you are an AP online you're way better off never taking any offers.
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In the pantheon of posts showing a total lack of understanding of all things AP, this might be the worst EB post of all!!!!
Is there a single forum member that believes any of EB’s betting type claims? (I believe his food claims, his cat claims, his candle claims, his ‘I can’t afford to buy my brother a good van’ claims, his ‘my wife lives elsewhere’ claims, his ‘I voted for Obama’ claim).
Come on….. let’s see if we can get ONE forum member who thinks you are actually a winning gambler!?!
September 22nd, 2023 at 3:05:47 PM
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And that the Earth is flat!Quote: Joeman
Here's proof that I have been to the moon!
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 22nd, 2023 at 3:15:04 PM
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Quote: OnceDearAnd that the Earth is flat!Quote: Joeman
Here's proof that I have been to the moon!
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Excuse me, the Earth is round and flat like a coin. Why didn't you know that?
tuttigym
September 22nd, 2023 at 3:20:30 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: EvenBobQuote: odiousgambitfunny, I'm having the opposite experience. All I did was pull a few hundred dollars out this year and evidently BetMGM believes me! .... by cutting me off from all those offers! (even the ones featured on the home page when you are not signed in)
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I never take offers or bonuses for that reason. Because I know it's the first thing they look at and the first thing they cut off. I had a big argument here with somebody a couple weeks ago who told me I was full of crap, thank you for verifying what I said. If you are an AP online you're way better off never taking any offers.
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In the pantheon of posts showing a total lack of understanding of all things AP, this might be the worst EB post of all!!!!
Is there a single forum member that believes any of EB’s betting type claims? (I believe his food claims, his cat claims, his candle claims, his ‘I can’t afford to buy my brother a good van’ claims, his ‘my wife lives elsewhere’ claims, his ‘I voted for Obama’ claim).
Come on….. let’s see if we can get ONE forum member who thinks you are actually a winning gambler!?!
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It's a 'no' from me, and I know that he's not a member, but it's also a 'no' from Henry the Unicorn
Incidentally, his advice to APs to not take online bonuses reveals one rare truth: It's yet another thing he doesn't understand at all. Fortunately, no AP or aspiring AP would be taking advice from EvenBob
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 22nd, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM
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Quote: tuttigymQuote: OnceDearAnd that the Earth is flat!Quote: Joeman
Here's proof that I have been to the moon!
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Excuse me, the Earth is round and flat like a coin. Why didn't you know that?
tuttigym
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Of course it is. How else would the firmament fit above it. That picture has been photoshopped, though, to conceal the Antarctic Ice Wall.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 22nd, 2023 at 4:33:24 PM
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Quote: SOOPOO
Come on….. let’s see if we can get ONE forum member who thinks you are actually a winning gambler!?!
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Nobody here pays me when I win, only the casino does that and they do it every day. What could it possibly matter what the people here think of me. For the 100th time I only post for my own edification, something you will never understand. But you keep cranking out your little mantra of what you think I do, like it effects reality in the teeniest tiniest bit.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 22nd, 2023 at 6:16:47 PM
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They confirmed that?Quote: EvenBobQuote: Mental
The post by OG says he got cut off for withdrawing winnings.
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And I got backed off from one of my casinos for doing nothing but taking withdrawals and making no deposits.
I highly doubt it, if it's actually true (it's not) it's probably Because you annoyed them with your small costly constant withdrawals.
Why not let the money build up? Lots of transactions get you noticed.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 22nd, 2023 at 7:45:33 PM
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I highly doubt it, if it's actually true (it's not)
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What does your opinion have to do with reality. Absolutely nothing. Everybody around here spouts their opinion about what I do like it's truth shouted from a mountain top. When it's actually not based on anything except their wishful thinking making it utterly worthless.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 22nd, 2023 at 10:33:03 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
I highly doubt it, if it's actually true (it's not)
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What does your opinion have to do with reality. Absolutely nothing. Everybody around here spouts their opinion about what I do like it's truth shouted from a mountain top. When it's actually not based on anything except their wishful thinking making it utterly worthless.
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Bob it's actually based on all the ass backwards utterly worthless things that you have spewed like don't take bonuses.
For quite a few years all my play centered on taking advantage of bonuses.
September 22nd, 2023 at 10:43:37 PM
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For quite a few years all my play centered on taking advantage of bonuses.
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I don't need bonuses, just like I've never had a player's card. I don't do comps because I don't need comps. But if your play is totally centered on bonuses, that's really sad dude. My play is totally centered on bet selection. I don't need the casino handouts which is what bonuses are. I don't have a bonus mentality, I have a winner mentality. See if you can understand that.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 22nd, 2023 at 10:53:07 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: rainman
For quite a few years all my play centered on taking advantage of bonuses.
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I don't need bonuses, just like I've never had a player's card. I don't do comps because I don't need comps. But if your play is totally centered on bonuses, that's really sad dude. My play is totally centered on bet selection. I don't need the casino handouts which is what bonuses are. I don't have a bonus mentality, I have a winner mentality. See if you can understand that.
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All aboard! the Bob merry go round. Once again You expose your fraud for all to see. See if you can understand that.
September 22nd, 2023 at 11:06:16 PM
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As I said earlier, it's the Tinkerbell effect. Bob believes he can do it, and it is so. He thinks he is a winner, so the results don't matter. He is a winner. You won't believe it. You've cast your fate with math and science and forgotten the ancient ways.
Bob has not. His natural feline senses detect patterns in ways he doesn't fully understand. As it is so apparent to his senses, he can't understand why you don't see it.
Bob has not. His natural feline senses detect patterns in ways he doesn't fully understand. As it is so apparent to his senses, he can't understand why you don't see it.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
September 22nd, 2023 at 11:10:24 PM
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Because my opinion is based on logic, history, other people's experience and my own experiences. It's highly unlikely they banned your account for winning and cashing out at the levels you claim.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
I highly doubt it, if it's actually true (it's not)
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What does your opinion have to do with reality. Absolutely nothing. Everybody around here spouts their opinion about what I do like it's truth shouted from a mountain top. When it's actually not based on anything except their wishful thinking making it utterly worthless.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 22nd, 2023 at 11:19:21 PM
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You claim your time precious. Well, using bonuses with a winning method could make you in 2 weeks what takes you a year to accomplish.Quote: EvenBobQuote: rainman
For quite a few years all my play centered on taking advantage of bonuses.
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I don't need bonuses, just like I've never had a player's card. I don't do comps because I don't need comps. But if your play is totally centered on bonuses, that's really sad dude. My play is totally centered on bet selection. I don't need the casino handouts which is what bonuses are. I don't have a bonus mentality, I have a winner mentality. See if you can understand that.
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You claim they banned you without using bonuses. Given what you have told us, it seems as if you didn't even make much. Obviously, the way you are doing things is a terrible way to do it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 22nd, 2023 at 11:36:22 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfYou claim your time precious. Well, using bonuses with a winning method could make you in 2 weeks
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I do not clip coupons and take them to the store either. They can also save you lots of money. If that's where your head is at, goody for you. Clip your coupons and claim your bonuses. I'll take bet selection. The casino can take their comps and their bonuses and shove them where the sun doesn't shine. I have a winners mentality, not a handout mentality. I do not buy stuff at Dollar Tree and return it to Walmart and consider that an AP move. Like some people do..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 23rd, 2023 at 5:07:32 AM
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Mental, I've been thinking about replying for a while ... working up to it
For one thing, I don't want to make you angry, but I have to be honest. For the record, I tend to believe you, but I have little to go on, of course
I still bet with them and they still throw me a bone once in a while.
Could I have avoided ticking them off?
For one thing, I don't want to make you angry, but I have to be honest. For the record, I tend to believe you, but I have little to go on, of course
That is a remarkable claimQuote: MentalYou were arguing with me. You were wrong then and you are still wrong. I have taken over $1M of promo dollars in the last two years.
even more remarkable.Quote:I have been cut off of promos at exactly one online casino.
So how exactly did this happen for peanuts, compared to your figure?Quote:And that was for hitting two $20K jackpots in one month, not for taking their piddling little $1000 promo cash offers.
The post by OG says he got cut off for withdrawing winnings.
OK, here's a clue. Alas I'm still nearly clueless ha ha.Quote:It is amazing that you are willing to believe something that OG said when he didn't even say it, yet you won't listen to to the people who have real world experience APing online casinos. Even if OG had said he was cut off for taking promos, how is that any punishment? "We have given OG so much money already. Let us cut him off. Good thing EB never takes any free money. We like him!"
I have been clearing $2000 of bonuses per day, and most casinos including MGM seem to like me. I give them action. It is AP action, but it is a lot of high theo hold action.
I guess I was trying to avoid betMGM displeasure by doing -EV bets for small amounts. I've been with them for 2.5 years and that seemed to be working. This summer though through a 'game' you could play I generated nearly daily offers, many of the irresistible 'second chance bet' variety, and [by my own standards] cleaned up. It was clearly peanuts, yet they are putting an end to that sort of thing.Quote:The only thing easier than turning a profit on promo cash would be making up a complete lie about being able to read random.
Please stick to your own fantasy claims. Don't go around giving bad advice that players should avoid taking promo money.
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I still bet with them and they still throw me a bone once in a while.
Could I have avoided ticking them off?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 23rd, 2023 at 7:27:53 AM
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Could I have avoided ticking them off?
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I explained this a few months ago and of course was routinely laughed at. I have heard over and over that if you're an AP you should totally avoid taking bonuses at online casinos because it's the very first reason they will give to ban you because they will claim you were abusing their bonuses. If you don't play their bonuses they can't accuse you of that. Apparently bonus abuse is the number one burr under the saddle of the casino so it's the first thing they look for when they have a beef with you
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 23rd, 2023 at 7:31:36 AM
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Could I have avoided ticking them off?
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I explained this a few months ago and of course was routinely laughed at. I have heard over and over that if you're an AP you should totally avoid taking bonuses at online casinos because it's the very first reason they will give to ban you because they will claim you were abusing their bonuses. If you don't play their bonuses they can't accuse you of that. Apparently bonus abuse is the number one burr under the saddle of the casino so it's the first thing they look for when they have a beef with you
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 23rd, 2023 at 7:52:43 AM
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well it's not the stuff they really go ape about that I'm doing, like two different IDs or collusion with someone
or for that matter 'high theo hold action' which makes them think they win in the end
mostly because I wouldn't know how to pull that off. Or am too chicken. Plus hate having the IRS parasitically feeding off my gambling
or for that matter 'high theo hold action' which makes them think they win in the end
mostly because I wouldn't know how to pull that off. Or am too chicken. Plus hate having the IRS parasitically feeding off my gambling
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 23rd, 2023 at 8:20:18 AM
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Links to where you have been hearing this over and over? Are they talking about sports? VP, roulette, slots?Quote: EvenBobQuote: odiousgambit
Could I have avoided ticking them off?
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I explained this a few months ago and of course was routinely laughed at. I have heard over and over that if you're an AP you should totally avoid taking bonuses at online casinos because it's the very first reason they will give to ban you because they will claim you were abusing their bonuses. If you don't play their bonuses they can't accuse you of that. Apparently bonus abuse is the number one burr under the saddle of the casino so it's the first thing they look for when they have a beef with you
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Offshore or regulated?
If you have an ongoing proven mathematical advantage at an online casino without promotions or bonuses, then it's probably best not to take a bonus(That's not all too common.) Or, if for some reason you have a significant balance in the casino you probably want it out prior to bonus abusing.
95% of the time they just restrict your bonuses. I have played at over 100 different online casinos and it's very rare for them to outright ban you for bonus abuse. The 5% that ban you are normally shady as FK anyway. There are rare situations where someone is taking bonus after bonus and winning many thousands, or if there's syndicate play going on they are more enclined to ban you.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 23rd, 2023 at 8:51:00 AM
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Quote: EvenBob
I explained this a few months ago and of course was routinely laughed at. I have heard over and over that if you're an AP you should totally avoid taking bonuses at online casinos because it's the very first reason they will give to ban you because they will claim you were abusing their bonuses. If you don't play their bonuses they can't accuse you of that. Apparently bonus abuse is the number one burr under the saddle of the casino so it's the first thing they look for when they have a beef with you
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I've exploited over generous online bonuses quite openly and legitimately, and in those cases, eventually had restrictions placed on the offers of future bonuses. Not banned.
If one had an overall advantage over a -EV game, because of some incredible (notcredible should be a word), then what would WR have mattered?
I read that EB had a deposit bonus foisted on him back in 2013 and was irritated by it, because he asked for no bonuses. The only reason I can think of to be pissed about getting a deposit match bonus would be if the wagering requirements were stupidly onerous. A player with 80% hit-rate ( or 72% as he claimed back then ) would have had no problem whupping the wagering requirements and making any amount of profit that he deemed fit.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 23rd, 2023 at 9:00:48 AM
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Please sim an 80% hit rate on single and double zero roulette using kelly. There are Zero excuses why someone wouldn't be filthy rich within a year even at one bet per week. There's no reason someone couldn't show there's something to their claim after 50 targeted guesses.Quote: OnceDearQuote: EvenBob
I explained this a few months ago and of course was routinely laughed at. I have heard over and over that if you're an AP you should totally avoid taking bonuses at online casinos because it's the very first reason they will give to ban you because they will claim you were abusing their bonuses. If you don't play their bonuses they can't accuse you of that. Apparently bonus abuse is the number one burr under the saddle of the casino so it's the first thing they look for when they have a beef with you
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I've exploited over generous online bonuses quite openly and legitimately, and in those cases, eventually had restrictions placed on the offers of future bonuses. Not banned.
If one had an overall advantage over a -EV game, because of some incredible (notcredible should be a word), then what would WR have mattered?
I read that EB had a deposit bonus foisted on him back in 2013 and was irritated by it, because he asked for no bonuses. The only reason I can think of to be pissed about getting a deposit match bonus would be if the wagering requirements were stupidly onerous. A player with 80% hit-rate ( or 72% as he claimed back then ) would have had no problem whupping the wagering requirements and making any amount of profit that he deemed fit.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 23rd, 2023 at 10:24:43 AM
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All these stories about making bajillions of dollars using bonuses and who cares. An AP should never use bonuses unless as I suspect your AP move is actually USING bonuses then that's a whole different story. Because you have no idea what correct bet selection is of course that's all you have is bonus abuse. Of course you're going to defend it into the ground. LOL
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 23rd, 2023 at 10:26:27 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfPlease sim an 80% hit rate
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Yes yes yes, I should have a net worth close to what Elon Musk has by now according to you. Yawn, don't you ever have anything new, it's always the same old blah blah blah yada yada yada.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 23rd, 2023 at 10:53:48 AM
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I can't be too bothered, but I modelled these three scenarios:-Quote: AxelWolfPlease sim an 80% hit rate on single and double zero roulette using kelly. There are Zero excuses why someone wouldn't be filthy rich within a year even at one bet per week. There's no reason someone couldn't show there's something to their claim after 50 targeted guesses.
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All, start with $5 min table and starting bankroll of $100
All placing just 100 even money wagers.
I ignored the zeros.
Scenario #1: 55% hit-rate: wager the higher of 5% of bankroll, rounded down or $5
Scenario #2: 70% hit-rate: wager the higher of 20% of bankroll, rounded down or $5
Scenario #3: 80% hit-rate: wager the higher of 30% of bankroll, rounded down or $5
In a typical run, Scenario #1 increased bankroll to $223
In a typical run, Scenario #2 increased bankroll to $28,285
In a typical run, Scenario #3 increased bankroll to $54,753,471
For a second run, the end bankrolls were 296 143,283 54,975,042 respectively
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 23rd, 2023 at 11:04:07 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfPlease sim an 80% hit rate
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Yes yes yes, I should have a net worth close to what Elon Musk has by now according to you. Yawn, don't you ever have anything new, it's always the same old blah blah blah yada yada yada.
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I'm sure AW is just illustrating the potential obscene wealth that any sensible, cautious AP would make with just a teensy weensy understanding of math and of his own prowess...... JUST STARTING with $100 and placing 100 wagers.
You don't seem to be claiming that you do that. Are you?
Blocked me yet?
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 23rd, 2023 at 11:21:22 AM
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The bigger LOL is claiming you know the proper bet selection and can achieve an 80% hit rate, and after years of dedication you can only make enough to cover a poverty level monthly nut. I purposely lose in a week more than you claim to make in a month just on the cover play. I'll take proven AP situations over voodoo bet selection any day of the week.Quote: EvenBobAll these stories about making bajillions of dollars using bonuses and who cares. An AP should never use bonuses unless as I suspect your AP move is actually USING bonuses then that's a whole different story. Because you have no idea what correct bet selection is of course that's all you have is bonus abuse. Of course you're going to defend it into the ground. LOL
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PS I had a better hit rate than you with my roulette play.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 23rd, 2023 at 12:33:33 PM
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Would anyone care to help me find the definition of 'Win and Leave' on this forum and how it differs from 'Hit and run'? I think it was a phrase coined by Evenbob and/or Mdawg.
I'm particularly interested in EB's opinion of the practice.
Thanks in Advance.
I'm particularly interested in EB's opinion of the practice.
Thanks in Advance.
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 23rd, 2023 at 12:41:00 PM
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I'm afraid I'm still stumped on the difference between a system and a method, except one is said to work and the other doesn't.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
September 23rd, 2023 at 12:54:57 PM
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Quote: AxelWolf
PS I had a better hit rate than you with my roulette play.
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Cool. Does that mean in a few weeks we can start calling you Elon? Are you going to take your own advice to become filthy rich? Snicker..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 23rd, 2023 at 12:56:45 PM
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I imagine Evenbob doesn't have to go to Monte Carlo to break the bank.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
September 23rd, 2023 at 1:00:25 PM
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Quote: billryanI'm afraid I'm still stumped on the difference between a system and a method, except one is said to work and the other doesn't.
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A system always has rules, a method does not. A system will tell you in an almost Iionclad way now you should bet, now you don't bet. A method has no rules and is fluid. A system is much easier to use because it takes no thought, all the thinking has been done for you. With a method you have to be constantly aware of what you're doing. A system is very easy to teach, a method is almost impossible to teach because nothing in it is written in stone. With a system you will always hit a brick wall. With a method there is never a wall of any kind to hit.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
