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EvenBob
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September 23rd, 2023 at 1:02:11 PM permalink
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I imagine Evenbob doesn't have to go to Monte Carlo to break the bank.

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That is actually very clever. Please tell me you thought of it yourself..
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September 23rd, 2023 at 1:17:14 PM permalink
At least 80%.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
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September 23rd, 2023 at 6:47:20 PM permalink
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PS I had a better hit rate than you with my roulette play.
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Cool. Does that mean in a few weeks we can start calling you Elon? Are you going to take your own advice to become filthy rich? Snicker..
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Most are aware your claims are fraudulent and Most are aware Axel is legit. You have provided nothing of
substance to substantiate your claims in fact quite the opposite many of your claims have been debunked,
where Axel's claims have been confirmed. Axel has creditability, You have none because you chose to piss
all over it playing your games.
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September 23rd, 2023 at 7:23:08 PM permalink
Quote: rainman

You have provided nothing of
substance to substantiate your claims
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Sure I have. You just don't want to see it or admit it. I could take you to the casino and do it right in front of you and you would deny what you're seeing. I guarantee it.
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September 23rd, 2023 at 7:44:35 PM permalink
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Mental, I've been thinking about replying for a while ... working up to it

For one thing, I don't want to make you angry, but I have to be honest. For the record, I tend to believe you, but I have little to go on, of course

Quote: Mental

You were arguing with me. You were wrong then and you are still wrong. I have taken over $1M of promo dollars in the last two years.

That is a remarkable claim

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I have been cut off of promos at exactly one online casino.

even more remarkable.

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And that was for hitting two $20K jackpots in one month, not for taking their piddling little $1000 promo cash offers.

The post by OG says he got cut off for withdrawing winnings.

So how exactly did this happen for peanuts, compared to your figure?

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It is amazing that you are willing to believe something that OG said when he didn't even say it, yet you won't listen to to the people who have real world experience APing online casinos. Even if OG had said he was cut off for taking promos, how is that any punishment? "We have given OG so much money already. Let us cut him off. Good thing EB never takes any free money. We like him!"

I have been clearing $2000 of bonuses per day, and most casinos including MGM seem to like me. I give them action. It is AP action, but it is a lot of high theo hold action.

OK, here's a clue. Alas I'm still nearly clueless ha ha.

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The only thing easier than turning a profit on promo cash would be making up a complete lie about being able to read random.

Please stick to your own fantasy claims. Don't go around giving bad advice that players should avoid taking promo money.
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I guess I was trying to avoid betMGM displeasure by doing -EV bets for small amounts. I've been with them for 2.5 years and that seemed to be working. This summer though through a 'game' you could play I generated nearly daily offers, many of the irresistible 'second chance bet' variety, and [by my own standards] cleaned up. It was clearly peanuts, yet they are putting an end to that sort of thing.

I still bet with them and they still throw me a bone once in a while.

Could I have avoided ticking them off?
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I am on holiday in Europe, so disengaging from the EB nonsense. Interacting with EB makes us all worse humans. I need a vacation from that.

I don't doubt that MGM restricted you best offers. Three years ago, an MGM property cashed me out and told me I was banned. They are still the only one that banned me entirely. I have been cut back at the other two properties, bit still getting 50% deposit bonuses frequently enough to keep my VIP status. I still get daily $10 bonuses. If you are not seeing the splash page offers, try going to the site from an incognito browser. The cookies are the only way they could know it is you. Coming in incognito, you should see what everyone else sees on the splash page. At the casino where I was recently stripped of promos, I still see the splash promos, but my promo page has one item and it is a dead link. I used to have 5-7 promos on the page at all times.

As I have said before, my superpower is losing. Casinos love a player who has no set daily loss limit. Losing big on some days helps with longevity and is +EV during loss rebates and shadow loss rebates.

I also lend casinos money interest free. This has a very high annual cost, but I think it might be the right AP move. What I mean is that I have never, ever withdrawn a large win in one lump sum. My theory is that managers review large wins. If the large win stays on account, then they might convince themselves that I just got lucky and they will win it back eventually. I never withdraw more funds than the casinos seem happy robo-approving and I don't withdraw more than once every five days. Some online casinos have a specific withdrawal limit for rapid approval. Anything above that get reviewed by a human. Nothing good can come of that. The downside of this is that I end up with very large balances at my 'lucky' casinos. When interest rates were near zero, the cost of this was not high. Today, money markets are paying 5% and foregone interest is a very serious cost to me annually.

My biggest cost, though, is taxes. I take a lot of W2-Gs, but that makes no difference to how I report. All the withdrawals are electronic and transparent (no crypto). I would be stupid to not report all net wins since the cash flow cannot be hidden without doing things that look shady to the IRS. Morally, I would feel bad that I skipped out on taxes while wage slaves have their incomes reported the IRS to the penny. The US is a great country to be born in, and someone has to pay for all of that. No matter how you handle your tax situation, W-2G avoidance conflicts with some optimal AP strategies. It also limits volume. I played through $1.1M in a day on slots for a leaderboard contest. There are going to be a few W-2Gs doing that. I am already putting in way too many hours at this. No way am I going to play at lower stakes to avoid W-2Gs.

Could you have avoided shadow banning? I don't know. I have racked up huge lifetime wins at the two MGM properties that did not kick my ass to the curb. I still get offers. Every casino is different. No casino has ever told me specifically what they didn't like about my play. We are all just guessing here. I just try to think like a casino manager and try to act like their ideal degenerate gambling customer.

Finally, I expect everyone to be skeptical of grandiose claims on the interweb. I am not interested in providing any proof that I am a high roller or that I even gamble, profitably or not.
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September 23rd, 2023 at 7:54:07 PM permalink
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For quite a few years all my play centered on taking advantage of bonuses.
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I don't need bonuses, just like I've never had a player's card. I don't do comps because I don't need comps. But if your play is totally centered on bonuses, that's really sad dude. My play is totally centered on bet selection. I don't need the casino handouts which is what bonuses are. I don't have a bonus mentality, I have a winner mentality. See if you can understand that.
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Fine. You have a personal preference not to take middle-class welfare from the casinos. I don't clip coupons, but no newspaper gives me $10K of coupons in one day.

The Wizard's goal is to make readers better gamblers. This means doing whatever suits one's tastes to bring home the bacon. For online gambling, promos are the only way I know of to gamble consistently +EV. (I am not a random savant like you.) You are dishonoring the stated goal of your host by telling people to avoid taking bonus. In fact, everything you write seems intended to make people stupider.
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September 23rd, 2023 at 7:55:49 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Quote: rainman

You have provided nothing of
substance to substantiate your claims
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Sure I have. You just don't want to see it or admit it. I could take you to the casino and do it right in front of you and you would deny what you're seeing. I guarantee it.
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Is this a standing offer?

I used to get to New Buffalo now and then.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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September 23rd, 2023 at 8:03:23 PM permalink
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MI BetRivers WITHDRAWALS
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RushPay: What is it?
RushPay is our patented system that seeks to auto-approve as many withdrawals as possible. We offer this as a feature to all players, regardless of their loyalty level.

Currently we are able to approve around 80% of withdrawals through RushPay, so that they are processed through our side instantly! If RushPay is unavailable for a specific withdrawal request, canceling and re-requesting the withdrawal, will not make it available.



RushPay is so quick that I often receive the approval e-mail before I receive the withdrawal request confirmation. The cap on RushPay is $5K. I would think other casinos have similar auto-approval limits. I always withdraw less than $5K at a time at any casino. Maybe I could get away with bigger withdrawals, but I want to stay under the radar.

I am fairly certain EB also never withdraws $5K at a time.
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September 23rd, 2023 at 9:47:14 PM permalink
Quote: Mental

I am not interested in providing any proof that I am a high roller or that I even gamble, profitably or not.
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"It does sucks to have EB infiltrate every thread with his grandiose claims."

Every thread, is that some kind of joke? Talk about grandiose claims, read what you just wrote in this post. And you think I make grandiose claims making a few dollars a month to pay my bills? I would love to believe everything you say, but gosh. It's just so darn confusing when I don't have any proof. Sounds familiar?
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September 23rd, 2023 at 9:56:53 PM permalink
Quote: Mental

You are dishonoring the stated goal of your host by telling people to avoid taking bonus.
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Really. I've been here 13 years and I've never seen Mike say anything about you have to take the bonus when it's offered by the online casino. Never once has he even implied that. Never once has he said if we refused to take the casino bonus we were undermining the purpose of this forum. I think you're making that up!

And you still refuse to address my answer to your math question about random outcomes. How the fact is that the random outcomes in roulette are what I call soft random, they are kind of sort of random, they are not true hard random like you would find in decaying radioactive material. The outcomes in roulette because they are soft can absolutely be exploited because I do it everyday. The outcomes in roulette are like a 10 year old kid flipping a coin, I can beat those too. What I have a harder time beating is the coin flips produced by random.org because they get their random from space noise. But take your time, I understand that formulating your answer must be difficult
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September 23rd, 2023 at 10:00:22 PM permalink
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I am fairly certain EB also never withdraws $5K at a time.
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Good God no, I would never let that much money sit in and online Casino, I'm not an idiot. I've never had more than $500 in any one account before I withdraw it. Even that is too much. If they decide to freeze my account I'm screwed so I just keep as much money in there as necessary usually. I've been around for a while, I like my money in the front pocket of my jeans right where I know where it is all the time.
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September 23rd, 2023 at 10:03:39 PM permalink
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Quote: rainman

You have provided nothing of
substance to substantiate your claims
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Sure I have. You just don't want to see it or admit it. I could take you to the casino and do it right in front of you and you would deny what you're seeing. I guarantee it.
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Is this a standing offer?

I used to get to New Buffalo now and then.
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So you want me to drive one way 113 miles so I can take the chance that the roulette wheel that day is playing my game and I can win a few dollars right in front of you to which I guarantee you will say it was blind luck because that's exactly what it looks like. I could do it 10 times in a row and you would always say it was blind luck. So I think I'll pass.
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September 24th, 2023 at 1:05:03 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Quote: rainman

You have provided nothing of
substance to substantiate your claims
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Sure I have. You just don't want to see it or admit it. I could take you to the casino and do it right in front of you and you would deny what you're seeing. I guarantee it.
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No Mathematician, no AP, None of the super sharps here have acknowledged that your claims have any merit.
In fact on the contrary many have spoken out against your claims and what you have provided as proof.
So you see Uncle Bob I'm confronted with a choice believe you one man who I don't find credible
or believe them.
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September 24th, 2023 at 4:46:05 AM permalink
Quote: Mental

Finally, I expect everyone to be skeptical of grandiose claims on the interweb. I am not interested in providing any proof that I am a high roller or that I even gamble, profitably or not.

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If only this was Bob's attitude!

Thanks for replying

Not reposting all that, but a snip [very snipped],

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... an MGM property… been cut back at the other two properties… the two MGM properties…

Are you saying your AP moves are in large part at brick and mortar?
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September 24th, 2023 at 5:14:56 AM permalink
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Please sim an 80% hit rate on single and double zero roulette using kelly. There are Zero excuses why someone wouldn't be filthy rich within a year even at one bet per week. There's no reason someone couldn't show there's something to their claim after 50 targeted guesses.
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I can't be too bothered, but I modelled these three scenarios:-

All, start with $5 min table and starting bankroll of $100
All placing just 100 even money wagers.

I ignored the zeros.

Scenario #1: 55% hit-rate: wager the higher of 5% of bankroll, rounded down or $5
Scenario #2: 70% hit-rate: wager the higher of 20% of bankroll, rounded down or $5
Scenario #3: 80% hit-rate: wager the higher of 30% of bankroll, rounded down or $5

In a typical run, Scenario #1 increased bankroll to $223
In a typical run, Scenario #2 increased bankroll to $28,285
In a typical run, Scenario #3 increased bankroll to $54,753,471


For a second run, the end bankrolls were 296 143,283 54,975,042 respectively

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I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. I knew you could. You're one of those rare down-to-earth very smart individuals, but not too smart where you're all socially awkward and Aspergery. No offense to those people, some of my good friends have Asperger's.

Bob will probably ignore all those charts, if not he'll spout some nonsensical nonsense.

Whatever the case, Bob claims he's not a gambler which is absolutely not true, because he gambles, I think what he means to say is he's not a big risk taker/ he's risk-averse. But this goes to show that with an 80% hit rate, you could be the most risk-averse MF in the world and absolutely crush roulette with an 80% hit rate.

Here's the situation we have...somebody (Bob)who's claiming something that's mathematically impossible and everyone with an average understanding of math, logic, and gambling knows that's the case. Bob has shown us a significant amount of evidence regarding his Gambling mathematic abilities. It's absolutely cringe-worthy reading the math discussions in various threads talking about his roulette. Read it yourself and decide for yourself what and whose basic gambling math is cringeworthy.

He has provided zero evidence or proof he can do as he claims. He's been given a golden opportunity to prove he can do as he claims with one of the most well-known gambling math experts in the world.
He failed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TnkJ8_BmSI.

He won't agree to anything that could actually show legitimate proof he has been making money from roulette or prove he can come close to an 80% hit rate. It's a simple matter of allowing Mike access to his casino logs. Gee, I wonder why?

Does it really make sense that one has mastered beating roulette and yet they can't make more than the poverty level monthly single person's income?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 24th, 2023 at 5:27:21 AM permalink
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Quote: EvenBob

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You have provided nothing of
substance to substantiate your claims
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Sure I have. You just don't want to see it or admit it. I could take you to the casino and do it right in front of you and you would deny what you're seeing. I guarantee it.
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Is this a standing offer?

I used to get to New Buffalo now and then.
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So you want me to drive one way 113 miles so I can take the chance that the roulette wheel that day is playing my game and I can win a few dollars right in front of you to which I guarantee you will say it was blind luck because that's exactly what it looks like. I could do it 10 times in a row and you would always say it was blind luck. So I think I'll pass.
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I will not claim blind luck if you can demonstrate an 80% hit rate while picking even money payouts on roulette over 30 educated guesses. Is that 100% proof? Nope, but it's enough to shut most people up and wonder if you're actually special.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 24th, 2023 at 8:10:25 AM permalink
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Does it really make sense that one has mastered beating roulette and yet they can't make more than the poverty level monthly single person's income?
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You have no idea how much I actually make, you only think you do. Using the word CAN'T here is totally ridiculous. I can obviously make as much as I want as I've said many times. It's just as easy to win a $100 unit as it is to win a $1 unit. The process is exactly the same. But your gamblers greed simply can't look at anything realistically because you have the typical more more more attitude of most gamblers. In fact my drug addiction counselor friend says that more more more is the hallmark of all addictions, drug, alcohol, gambling, food, porn. Enough is never enough, and even in the recovery stages they want more more more of everything in recovery. The fact that I do what I do and you would do it differently is something that you just can't wrap your head around. It literally drives you nuts.
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September 24th, 2023 at 8:13:13 AM permalink
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No Mathematician, no AP, None of the super sharps here have acknowledged that your claims have any merit.

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Nor have they provided any mathematical proof that I cannot do what I say I do. Even Mental has admitted that he 'believes' I can't do it but he has no math that says I cannot.
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September 24th, 2023 at 8:17:04 AM permalink
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I will not claim blind luck if you can demonstrate an 80% hit rate while picking even money payouts on roulette over 30 educated guesses.
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In a brick and mortar Casino do you have any conception how long that would take? Because I only do the 80% when I'm trying to make one unit. And as I've said many times the outcomes have to be playing my game if they're not I can't do anything. So 30 examples could easily take 40 trips to a casino. I don't even go to Brick and Mortar Casinos anymore so in what lifetime is that going to happen. And what do I get out of it, the fact that you would believe me? Something I could literally not possibly care less about? You completely overvalue what your opinion is worth. LOL
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September 24th, 2023 at 8:52:56 AM permalink
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Quote: Dieter

Quote: EvenBob

Quote: rainman

You have provided nothing of
substance to substantiate your claims
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Sure I have. You just don't want to see it or admit it. I could take you to the casino and do it right in front of you and you would deny what you're seeing. I guarantee it.
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Is this a standing offer?

I used to get to New Buffalo now and then.
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So you want me to drive one way 113 miles so I can take the chance that the roulette wheel that day is playing my game and I can win a few dollars right in front of you to which I guarantee you will say it was blind luck because that's exactly what it looks like. I could do it 10 times in a row and you would always say it was blind luck. So I think I'll pass.
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I used to get to other properties in Michigan, too.
Gun Lake is probably workable, it's just harder to work into my schedule.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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September 24th, 2023 at 9:05:02 AM permalink
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Nor have they provided any mathematical proof that I cannot do what I say I do.



I claim that I am the one and only real person in the world, everyone else is an NPC (non-player character), thus, I can render my own reality on a whim.
No one can provide any mathematical proof that I cannot do what I say I do. Ergo I must be right. Yay.
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September 24th, 2023 at 9:28:32 AM permalink
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Does it really make sense that one has mastered beating roulette and yet they can't make more than the poverty level monthly single person's income?
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You have no idea how much I actually make, you only think you do. Using the word CAN'T here is totally ridiculous. I can obviously make as much as I want as I've said many times. It's just as easy to win a $100 unit as it is to win a $1 unit. The process is exactly the same. But your gamblers greed simply can't look at anything realistically because you have the typical more more more attitude of most gamblers. In fact my drug addiction counselor friend says that more more more is the hallmark of all addictions, drug, alcohol, gambling, food, porn. Enough is never enough, and even in the recovery stages they want more more more of everything in recovery. The fact that I do what I do and you would do it differently is something that you just can't wrap your head around. It literally drives you nuts.
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You're correct we only have your word for it and you have indicated your nut is low.
It's obvious to most of us that you are actually in the red playing roulette overall.
I could wrap my head around it if I believed it to be true. All evidence points to it not.


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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 24th, 2023 at 9:33:41 AM permalink
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I will not claim blind luck if you can demonstrate an 80% hit rate while picking even money payouts on roulette over 30 educated guesses.
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In a brick and mortar Casino do you have any conception how long that would take? Because I only do the 80% when I'm trying to make one unit. And as I've said many times the outcomes have to be playing my game if they're not I can't do anything. So 30 examples could easily take 40 trips to a casino. I don't even go to Brick and Mortar Casinos anymore so in what lifetime is that going to happen. And what do I get out of it, the fact that you would believe me? Something I could literally not possibly care less about? You completely overvalue what your opinion is worth. LOL
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I don't care where you do it , I was thinking online, as long as I believe the roulette is legitimate. I don't even care if you actually place wagers or not.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 24th, 2023 at 9:36:55 AM permalink
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I could wrap my head around it if I believed it to be true. All evidence points to it not.

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All the evidence that I've provided points to the fact that it is true. You have certainly provided no math that says I can't do it so all you have for 'proof' that it's not true is your opinion. If you have something else, by all means present it because you have not up till now. Why are you holding back. Let's see all this evidence you claim to have that shows me not doing it. You don't have any, you have nothing.
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September 24th, 2023 at 9:39:50 AM permalink
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I used to get to other properties in Michigan, too.
Gun Lake is probably workable, it's just harder to work into my schedule.
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So you would be willing to come to Michigan and live in a motel for a few weeks while I made trip after trip after trip to a casino just so you can end up saying well, looks like blind luck to me. Cuz that's exactly what would happen. Maybe you have all kinds of time to waste but I do not.
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September 24th, 2023 at 9:43:43 AM permalink
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I don't care where you do it , I was thinking online,
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So a few weeks ago you were saying that anything online totally possible to fake and now you're saying the exact opposite? Because that's what's going to happen no matter what I do if it doesn't go the way you want it you're going to claim I faked it. And what do I get out of it. After all the crap you've given me about this you're probably the last person on Earth that I would want to know the actual truth. I want you to twist in the wind ringing your hands about it forever.
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September 24th, 2023 at 9:44:38 AM permalink
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Please sim an 80% hit rate on single and double zero roulette using kelly. There are Zero excuses why someone wouldn't be filthy rich within a year even at one bet per week. There's no reason someone couldn't show there's something to their claim after 50 targeted guesses.
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I can't be too bothered, but I modelled these three scenarios:-...
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I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. I knew you could. You're one of those rare down-to-earth very smart individuals, but not too smart where you're all socially awkward and Aspergery. No offense to those people, some of my good friends have Asperger's.


Aw thanks dude. My maths prowess is insignificant compared to many on this forum and many that left here as the forum embraced 'Non-Math'.
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Bob will probably ignore all those charts, if not he'll spout some nonsensical nonsense.

Or state that he didn't bother to read our yada yada, because acknowledging us is the tougher option. Acknowledging reality is hard for some folks, when they've argued an alternative narrative for so long.
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Whatever the case, Bob claims he's not a gambler which is absolutely not true, because he gambles, I think what he means to say is he's not a big risk taker/ he's risk-averse. But this goes to show that with an 80% hit rate, you could be the most risk-averse MF in the world and absolutely crush roulette with an 80% hit rate.


I've taken the time to read many of his posts on various forums and his claims take a few forms.
He claims that he's described what he does. He claims that he's presented evidence of what he does, though he showed zero evidence of his 'method'
Any claims that he makes are moot. He has no inclination to demonstrate any evidence ever. He claims he has no wish to benefit from his 'educated guessing' beyond having the casinos pay his bills.
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Here's the situation we have...somebody (Bob)who's claiming something that's mathematically impossible and everyone with an average understanding of math, logic, and gambling knows that's the case. Bob has shown us a significant amount of evidence regarding his Gambling mathematic abilities. It's absolutely cringe-worthy reading the math discussions in various threads talking about his roulette. Read it yourself and decide for yourself what and whose basic gambling math is cringeworthy.

He has provided zero evidence or proof he can do as he claims. He's been given a golden opportunity to prove he can do as he claims with one of the most well-known gambling math experts in the world.
He failed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TnkJ8_BmSI.

He won't agree to anything that could actually show legitimate proof he has been making money from roulette or prove he can come close to an 80% hit rate. It's a simple matter of allowing Mike access to his casino logs. Gee, I wonder why?

Does it really make sense that one has mastered beating roulette and yet they can't make more than the poverty level monthly single person's income?
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Does it really make sense that one has mastered beating roulette and yet they DON'T WANT TO make more than the poverty level monthly single person's income?
That they don't want to pass their valuable 'method' to their descendants or anyone?
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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September 24th, 2023 at 10:12:12 AM permalink
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After all the crap you've given me about this you're probably the last person on Earth that I would want to know the actual truth. I want you to twist in the wind ringing your hands about it forever.
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Is that not a definitive way of saying that his motivation for posting in this thread will be pure and simple spite?

In doing so, EB has sealed the fate of this thread to never be useful or informative to anyone, lest AW, or any other detractor, gains some knowledge from it.

An announcement of the intention to troll?
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September 24th, 2023 at 10:22:06 AM permalink
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After all the crap you've given me about this you're probably the last person on Earth that I would want to know the actual truth. I want you to twist in the wind ringing your hands about it forever.
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Is that not a definitive way of saying that his motivation for posting in this thread will be pure and simple spite?

In doing so, EB has sealed the fate of this thread to never be useful or informative to anyone, lest AW, or any other detractor, gains some knowledge from it.

An announcement of the intention to troll?
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He has announced his intention to troll everyone looong time ago, back in his GG days.
The only reason one should engage with that is for their own amusement/Eification or to pass some time, nothing more and nothing less.
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September 24th, 2023 at 10:31:29 AM permalink
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I used to get to other properties in Michigan, too.
Gun Lake is probably workable, it's just harder to work into my schedule.
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So you would be willing to come to Michigan and live in a motel for a few weeks while I made trip after trip after trip to a casino just so you can end up saying well, looks like blind luck to me. Cuz that's exactly what would happen. Maybe you have all kinds of time to waste but I do not.
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I was under the impression that you could play for an hour or three, and win more than you lose. I would hope I can survive the afternoon (my time) without needing to check into a motel. (I probably have couch-crash privileges at friends and relatives in the area, anyway.)

I've already suggested what would need to be documented in a video record of online play.


Did I misunderstand that you can take a witness to a casino, do your thing, and walk out in profit?
May the cards fall in your favor.
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September 24th, 2023 at 10:57:04 AM permalink
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After all the crap you've given me about this you're probably the last person on Earth that I would want to know the actual truth. I want you to twist in the wind ringing your hands about it forever.
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Is that not a definitive way of saying that his motivation for posting in this thread will be pure and simple spite?

In doing so, EB has sealed the fate of this thread to never be useful or informative to anyone, lest AW, or any other detractor, gains some knowledge from it.

An announcement of the intention to troll?
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He has announced his intention to troll everyone looong time ago, back in his GG days.
The only reason one should engage with that is for their own amusement/Edification or to pass some time, nothing more and nothing less.
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Indeed, but announcing his intention to troll on this forum, in this thread, should be of more pertinent to the moderators here.
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September 24th, 2023 at 11:23:51 AM permalink
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After all the crap you've given me about this you're probably the last person on Earth that I would want to know the actual truth. I want you to twist in the wind ringing your hands about it forever.
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Is that not a definitive way of saying that his motivation for posting in this thread will be pure and simple spite?

In doing so, EB has sealed the fate of this thread to never be useful or informative to anyone, lest AW, or any other detractor, gains some knowledge from it.

An announcement of the intention to troll?
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He has announced his intention to troll everyone looong time ago, back in his GG days.
The only reason one should engage with that is for their own amusement/Edification or to pass some time, nothing more and nothing less.
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Indeed, but announcing his intention to troll on this forum, in this thread, should be of more pertinent to the moderators here.
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Yes but I personally don't want him gone.
His posts are like the ones of an annoying, ruminative and manipulative ######path who has no better job than trying to ruin this forum and get at odds with everyone just for the sake of their own gratification. Especially his stubborn roulette whisperer chest pounding clickbaits.
But still, he's a fellow human and a fellow forumite. I say let him be.
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September 24th, 2023 at 11:25:48 AM permalink
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Did I misunderstand that you can take a witness to a casino, do your thing, and walk out in profit?
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Over a length of time. I am seriously not in the mood to explain this again. And again. And again. I'm really getting the impression that nobody actually reads my posts about what I do because at every turn I get asked to explain everything again. Ask Axel, I have certainly explained it to him often enough.
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September 24th, 2023 at 11:38:21 AM permalink
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Did I misunderstand that you can take a witness to a casino, do your thing, and walk out in profit?
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Over a length of time. I am seriously not in the mood to explain this again. And again. And again. I'm really getting the impression that nobody actually reads my posts about what I do because at every turn I get asked to explain everything again. Ask Axel, I have certainly explained it to him often enough.
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I must be seriously underestimating how long it takes to make 4 of 5 bets correctly.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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September 24th, 2023 at 11:43:18 AM permalink
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I must be seriously underestimating how long it takes to make 4 of 5 bets correctly.
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That is correct, you are seriously underestimating.
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September 24th, 2023 at 11:58:00 AM permalink
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I must be seriously underestimating how long it takes to make 4 of 5 bets correctly.
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That is correct, you are seriously underestimating.
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My usual casino visit is between 26 and 181 minutes, with 57 minutes being common. (I start a timer when I set the parking brake. I'm a nerd.)

Apparently I just don't understand how these things are supposed to go.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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September 24th, 2023 at 12:52:26 PM permalink
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My usual casino visit is between 26 and 181 minutes, with 57 minutes being common. (I start a timer when I set the parking brake. I'm a nerd.)

Apparently I just don't understand how these things are supposed to go.



So all this time you've been thinking I just wander into the casino, make a bet, collect my winnings and leave? Really? After everything I've written about this.
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September 24th, 2023 at 1:08:06 PM permalink
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My usual casino visit is between 26 and 181 minutes, with 57 minutes being common. (I start a timer when I set the parking brake. I'm a nerd.)

Apparently I just don't understand how these things are supposed to go.



So all this time you've been thinking I just wander into the casino, make a bet, collect my winnings and leave? Really? After everything I've written about this.
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I usually make a few dozen bets, collect my winnings, and leave.
I suppose I'm making assumptions about your play based on my own.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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My usual casino visit is between 26 and 181 minutes, with 57 minutes being common. (I start a timer when I set the parking brake. I'm a nerd.)

Apparently I just don't understand how these things are supposed to go.



So all this time you've been thinking I just wander into the casino, make a bet, collect my winnings and leave? Really? After everything I've written about this.
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I usually make a few dozen bets, collect my winnings, and leave.
I suppose I'm making assumptions about your play based on my own.
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Maybe some nights he goes into the casino, observes the tables, but they are not playing his game, so he passes the time recording roulette spin outcomes.

Now, he just streams half a dozen live dealer online tables over his array of monitors. More streams of useless information to analyse and find the 'sure thing'.
TeamViewer remote screen sharing would save a lot of faffing. Maybe Wizard could tell you why that won't work.

Of course, if you tried to make EB rush his analysis, there would be consequences that made the experiment unrepresentative.

And nothing ever happens.
Nothing happens at all.
The needle returns to the start of the song.
And we all sing along like before.
And we'll all be lonely tonight and lonely tomorrow.
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September 24th, 2023 at 2:10:12 PM permalink
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I usually make a few dozen bets, collect my winnings, and leave.
I suppose I'm making assumptions about your play based on my own.
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When I go to a brick and mortar Casino I'm there to make one unit and leave. Sometimes this works if the outcomes are playing my game if they are not then I leave without making a bet. This is why I keep saying I'll never go to a brick and mortar Casino again because online I can play multiple casinos at the same time any time of day I want.
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September 24th, 2023 at 2:17:13 PM permalink
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I usually make a few dozen bets, collect my winnings, and leave.
I suppose I'm making assumptions about your play based on my own.
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When I go to a brick and mortar Casino I'm there to make one unit and leave. Sometimes this works if the outcomes are playing my game if they are not then I leave without making a bet. This is why I keep saying I'll never go to a brick and mortar Casino again because online I can play multiple casinos at the same time any time of day I want.
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"playing my game" Does that mean playing with a full deck?

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September 24th, 2023 at 3:42:44 PM permalink
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I don't care where you do it , I was thinking online,
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So a few weeks ago you were saying that anything online totally possible to fake and now you're saying the exact opposite? ]

No I'm not saying that. How did you get all that from what I wrote?

Obviously, I would not accept any sketchy evidence. When done properly it shouldn't leave any doubt. What you were attempting to do with Mike previously was a step in the right direction. However, there was NO NEED for you AND him to be present at the same time doing it. I'm not some tech guru who knows everything about that kind of thing, but the things I do know seem simple and there are probably much simpler methods than I know. There are just a few key protocols you would have to follow. I have described those things a few times.

It's mind-boggling that you don't seem to understand why a few key aspects are needed.

You can't go around posting random cherry-picked logs/screenshots from multiple casinos that start and stop at random unknown times and expect anyone to accept it. Do you understand why????
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 24th, 2023 at 6:08:19 PM permalink
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You can't go around posting random cherry-picked logs/screenshots from multiple casinos that start and stop at random unknown times and expect anyone to accept it.
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I never did that. That you believe I did that is your problem. I was very straightforward about the whole thing or what's the point. That you don't believe it does not change the facts. What you believe about any of this changes nothing, it's totally unimportant what you believe.
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September 24th, 2023 at 7:20:01 PM permalink
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You have provided nothing of
substance to substantiate your claims
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Sure I have. You just don't want to see it or admit it. I could take you to the casino and do it right in front of you and you would deny what you're seeing. I guarantee it.
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I'm having trouble reconciling this with...

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I usually make a few dozen bets, collect my winnings, and leave.
I suppose I'm making assumptions about your play based on my own.
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When I go to a brick and mortar Casino I'm there to make one unit and leave. Sometimes this works if the outcomes are playing my game if they are not then I leave without making a bet. This is why I keep saying I'll never go to a brick and mortar Casino again because online I can play multiple casinos at the same time any time of day I want.
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(See last sentence.)

I'll get up early tomorrow, see how many impossible things I can believe, cook some oatmeal, and try again.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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September 24th, 2023 at 7:30:42 PM permalink
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I'll get up early tomorrow, see how many impossible things I can believe
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What's hard to believe. I have three screens as I've said many times and I play three online roulette wheels at the same time. And even then it's difficult to find a bet to make sometimes
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September 24th, 2023 at 10:26:11 PM permalink
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I'll get up early tomorrow, see how many impossible things I can believe
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What's hard to believe. I have three screens as I've said many times and I play three online roulette wheels at the same time. And even then it's difficult to find a bet to make sometimes
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I don't think anyone here believes your posts. It's just that some are too polite to say anything. I'm sure you think it is somehow cute, but you are wrong.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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September 24th, 2023 at 10:27:23 PM permalink
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You can't go around posting random cherry-picked logs/screenshots from multiple casinos that start and stop at random unknown times and expect anyone to accept it.
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I never did that. That you believe I did that is your problem. I was very straightforward about the whole thing or what's the point. That you don't believe it does not change the facts. What you believe about any of this changes nothing, it's totally unimportant what you believe.
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Did you tell us what casinos you would be playing at, the times and dates you would be starting, and the times and dates you would be ending?

If not, your evidence is just as totally unimportant.

I don't believe you understand how a proper experiment/challenge works. If you set out to prove something then you should do it correctly.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 24th, 2023 at 10:35:27 PM permalink
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I don't think anyone here believes your posts.
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How many people here believe everything that Mdawg says in his posts. Go ahead, take a guess. That doesn't stop him from posting, why should it stop me. I have complete faith that he does exactly what he says he does until I see proof otherwise. You have no proof that I don't do exactly what I say I do, it's just your opinion based on nothing. You people act like I started talking about this a couple weeks ago. I have been talking about it since 2010 for crying out loud. On this forum since 2010 on gambling forums since 2006. I keep saying, just block this thread and you never have to see it again. You people are the ones that keep this going not me. If nobody responds to me I'm just talking to myself. But you don't want that do you, you can't block this thread because you don't really know what's going on. You just think you do.
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September 25th, 2023 at 1:33:39 AM permalink
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I'll get up early tomorrow, see how many impossible things I can believe
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What's hard to believe. I have three screens as I've said many times and I play three online roulette wheels at the same time. And even then it's difficult to find a bet to make sometimes
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As I said, I'm having trouble reconciling the two statements.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/3831-how-much-gamble-do-you-have/7/#post901724

The quoted sections have you first claiming you could take rainman to a casino and work your play in front of him, then claiming that you never want to go to an in-person casino again because working your play is so difficult under those conditions.

That's a lot for me to wrap my pretty little head around.

I used to travel through your area on business and to visit family; I may again if the doctors decide I'm allowed.

I believe you said elsewhere that your goal is to make one unit and leave. In general, this is my goal, too... although if things are going my way, I tend to stick around to win another unit or two. It usually takes an hour or three.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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Is there a single forum member that believes any of EB’s betting type claims? (I believe his food claims, his cat claims, his candle claims, his ‘I can’t afford to buy my brother a good van’ claims, his ‘my wife lives elsewhere’ claims, his ‘I voted for Obama’ claim).

Come on….. let’s see if we can get ONE forum member who thinks you are actually a winning gambler!?!
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I believe EB has gambled both in casinos and online for actual money, and it's obviously completely probable for anyone who does that to have winning streaks lasting weeks or even months. But he has not "beaten" any games on a consistent basis over a period of years.

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