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April 9th, 2020 at 5:06:41 PM permalink
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You want to try to change 100 years of practice be my guest. I would suggest instead that you not waste so much of your life worrying about harmless words and descriptions.



Thanks, I will

It looks like the Coronavirus will not be as bad as the American Flu of 1918.
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April 9th, 2020 at 5:11:28 PM permalink
I came here thinking there might be discussion around math related to coronavirus. Silly me.

From what I can tell: most people who call it Chinese virus or Trump virus do so because they want to be annoying and make an annoying political statement. Then they get overly defensive and emotional when they feel like they are being treated like they are an annoying and tacky person. This seems to be the case here.

On the math part: I love that we've been able to hear about 'exponential growth' for a full month now. Isn't virtually all growth exponential? The most important thing is what the exponent is being used. The top news story everyday should be a lesson on fractional exponents. Based on the past few days it looks like we're reaching the first part of the goal, using an exponent of 1, or linear growth. I love how we have to make up a new term "flat curve" to describe a line.* US seems to have settled in at a little over 30,000 new positive tests and 2,000 deaths every day. Now it's just a matter of seeing if that 30,000 / 2,000 really is linear, and how long that lasts.

*This is also my logic for why I believe the Earth is flat: any curve is flat if you zoom in close enough.
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April 9th, 2020 at 5:18:44 PM permalink
Keyser pretends other people care too much about what reference he uses, however if he really didn't care about it like he pretends, he would politely not use it.

So, what he is really doing is trolling.
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April 9th, 2020 at 5:23:20 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

I came here thinking there might be discussion around math related to coronavirus. Silly me.

From what I can tell: most people who call it Chinese virus or Trump virus do so because they want to be annoying and make an annoying political statement. Then they get overly defensive and emotional when they feel like they are being treated like they are an annoying and tacky person. This seems to be the case here.



I see flipside. People worried about a word instead of worrying about what is important. We are now seeing what happens when 40% of the USA cannot handle a $400 emergency, or whatever the exact number was we hear it every few months. But they are not important, the reaction of a nation that is an enemy of the USA is?

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On the math part: I love that we've been able to hear about 'exponential growth' for a full month now. Isn't virtually all growth exponential? The most important thing is what the exponent is being used. The top news story everyday should be a lesson on fractional exponents. Based on the past few days it looks like we're reaching the first part of the goal, using an exponent of 1, or linear growth. I love how we have to make up a new term "flat curve" to describe a line.* US seems to have settled in at a little over 30,000 new positive tests and 2,000 deaths every day. Now it's just a matter of seeing if that 30,000 / 2,000 really is linear, and how long that lasts.



The early numbers are starting to prove to have been inflated. I am also noticing this thing is seeming regionalized so far. Ironically, CA is not as sick as one would think given how much Asia-travel it picks up as well as how crowded it is. Is herd-immunity really a thing?
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April 9th, 2020 at 5:24:31 PM permalink
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" The covid-19 coronavirus originated in Wuhan, China."

"The Chinese government has issued false statements accusing the U.S. military of starting the covid-19 coronavirus."

"There is considerable government intelligence and considerable reporting from the media that China is massively underreporting the covid-19 cases and deaths in their country."

"There have been media reports alleging that the covid-19 coronavirus was accidently released from a Chinese govenrment laboratory."





"MSNBC's parent company is building a theme park in Beijing, China with (massive) financial investment from the Chinese government. Judging from the recent situation with the NBA, the Chinese Communist Party has been known to take a disproportionately large response against its financial partners if and when they criticize China. Therefore, the unwillingness of MSNBC to criticize China in any way is seen by some observers as an unannounced conflict of interest that has deformed their reporting."


The above are all factual statements. These statements are neither political nor racist. They do not slur an ethnic group nor espouse a partisan political viewpoint. They may be helpful in that they inform the understanding of the covid-19 outbreak and the evolving U.S relationship with the Chinese government during this crisis.

Now, let's get back to discussing the math of the Coronavirus projections.





Using this 'logic", is it surprising that fox is attacking China? After all, the Universal theme park Comcast is building in China will be directly competing with Disney's theme parks. Anything bad for China is good for Disney. Makes sense if you bang your head a few times and squint into the sun long enough.



Bill, I agree. I feel that Fox has been attacking China in a targeted, hostile manner. And your calling out of a possible conflict of interest that Fox may have is entirely fair and valid. CNN also has some conflicts of interest (e.g., a lawsuit by the President against them.) Actually, I have a hard time finding any competent objective news source on cable for reporting of the coronavirus pandemic.
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April 9th, 2020 at 5:30:19 PM permalink
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Bill, I agree. I feel that Fox has been attacking China in a targeted, hostile manner. And your calling out of a possible conflict of interest that Fox may have is entirely fair and valid. CNN also has some conflicts of interest (e.g., a lawsuit by the President against them.) Actually, I have a hard time finding any competent objective news source on cable for reporting of the coronavirus pandemic.



Many networks have a decent slant. News shouldn't have bias, but it certainly does.
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April 9th, 2020 at 5:48:11 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I see flipside. People worried about a word instead of worrying about what is important. We are now seeing what happens when 40% of the USA cannot handle a $400 emergency, or whatever the exact number was we hear it every few months. But they are not important, the reaction of a nation that is an enemy of the USA is?



You were among those making multiple posts defending why your view about what we call it is right.

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The early numbers are starting to prove to have been inflated. I am also noticing this thing is seeming regionalized so far. Ironically, CA is not as sick as one would think given how much Asia-travel it picks up as well as how crowded it is. Is herd-immunity really a thing?



It is now being reported that the US was hit hardest from travel that came from Europe, not Asia. West coast crowding is far less that east / northeast crowding. Los Angeles is 66% larger than New York with less than half the population (according to about 30 seconds on google). Herd-immunity definitely can be a thing, another 30-seconds on google shows mortality rate from chicken pox is at 20%. But the vaccine is pretty new, so why wasn't it so deadly before the vaccine? Because it mostly kills adults, so when enough people would get it as kids, there was very little risk of an outbreak. It is very possible there could be herd-immunity for this new American virus, but it is not certain. There is no herd-immunity for the cold or flu.

(American virus is an acceptable term because this community has decided there is no agreed upon name and there have been more deaths and confirmed cases here than any other country in the world)
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April 9th, 2020 at 5:49:16 PM permalink
The effectiveness of the communist China's propaganda machine has been absolutely astounding. It's so effective that they've managed to convince huge numbers of gullible people, and many even in the media into believing that's it's racist to even discuss the location in which the Chinese virus originated.

Again, everyone really should watch "Chernobyl" the series.
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April 9th, 2020 at 5:51:08 PM permalink
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(American virus is an acceptable term because this community has decided there is no agreed upon name and there have been more deaths and confirmed cases here than any other country in the world)



You are aware that we have more cases because we have more population? It started in China, let them have the name.

"Confirmed Cases" is key. China's numbers on anything are suspect.
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April 9th, 2020 at 5:58:32 PM permalink
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You are aware that we have more cases because we have more population? It started in China, let them have the name.

"Confirmed Cases" is key. China's numbers on anything are suspect.



There are more people in America than in China???
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