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October 2nd, 2014 at 2:02:05 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Well, for example, (and it may be just psychological): I put $100 on Red. I win. I get $100, and I keep my $100.

I put $100 on BJ. I win. I get $100, plus I can leave my $100 in for the next bet.

I put $100 in JoB VP. I "win" with a pair of Jacks. I didn't win. I just got my money back.

I put $100 in this game. I pick the 450 to win 5. If I win, I get, what? $101, I think (but this is what I didn't understand from what Ahigh said). $100 of that was my money I had to win back. I won $1. And I had to bet $100 to do it.

I'm having trouble doing that at that level. OTOH, I can't bring myself to bet $100/hand on 1 line VP, either. So maybe I'm just not the demographic NTEK's looking for.



I haven't had time yet to watch the video explaining how to play this pinball game, but it is all just psychological.

Using your BJ example, suppose instead of putting the money in your betting circle, you hand it to the dealer who drops it in a box. You win the hand, and now the dealer pays you $200. It's the same principle. On a push, as is the case with a pair of Jacks in JoB, you would just get your $100 back.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 2:09:32 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs


I really like the potential. I think EB's thoughts about the available market of interested players are a valid criticism,.



One of the key note speakers at G2E said
the average visitor to Vegas is in their late
40's. The average age at one of the thousand
Indian casinos is 55, I read somewhere. This
game is of no interest to the largest demo
in casinos. Perhaps if you had a separate
area that was just different pinballs, you might
get younger people interested. But they
have no money, it would have to be in the
$5-$10 range.

You know who loves pinball? College kids. But
they can't get into casinos and are flat broke
anyway.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 2:33:19 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

If this is true it will make it very difficult to get approved in many jurisdictions. For most electronic gaming devices prior performance may not change the probability of outcomes.

The way I understand it is.... its only adjusting because of a bonus pool. That's also how a player can get an advantage, if the bonus pool is high enough then a skilled player will be playing with an advantage until the bonus pool is depleted.

Obviously no matter how good you are you cant play this all day long with an advantage like a full pay VP machine.

I wonder if they can add a progressive to it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 2nd, 2014 at 4:20:44 PM permalink
Just watched the video, looks pretty cool.

To me, the win amounts appear to be on a "x to y" basis and not "x for y". There's no way somebody would make a "$5 for $525" bet, but "$5 to $525" sure.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 4:31:59 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I am just starting this thread (with approval from the Wizard) to announce that we are showing Vegas 2047 pinball at booth #2712.

Just to get started, some images of the "stuff we all get" or SWAG.



SWAG is a reverse acronym. It actually has meant stolen loot since the 1800s, and someone recently created the fake acronym for it.

Good luck on your game, looks fun.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 4:38:49 PM permalink
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SWAG is a reverse acronym. It actually has meant stolen loot since the 1800s, and someone recently created the fake acronym for it.

Good luck on your game, looks fun.



Kind of like the word buffet.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 5:19:28 PM permalink
Quote: dwheatley

Quote: Ahigh

I am just starting this thread (with approval from the Wizard) to announce that we are showing Vegas 2047 pinball at booth #2712.

Just to get started, some images of the "stuff we all get" or SWAG.



SWAG is a reverse acronym. It actually has meant stolen loot since the 1800s, and someone recently created the fake acronym for it.

Good luck on your game, looks fun.


A friend worked for ESPN at football games taking care of various cables during the game.
Lots of stuff left behind after the game, strict rules for ESPN employees.
SWAG on the field is "Stuff We Aint Getting"

The game looks fun. I think the biggest interest would be people in their 40's 50's and 60's, those that grew up with pinball.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 6:06:33 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

. I think the biggest interest would be people in their 40's 50's and 60's, those that grew up with pinball.



Where did men (women don't play pinball generally)
in the 70's and 80's find pinball? The heyday was 40's
to 60's. In the 70's it was waning and video games
in the late 70's killed it dead. When I grew up in the
60's I seldom saw it. When the song Pinball Wizard
came out in 69, I remember we were puzzled
because nobody we knew played pinball anymore,
that was the generation before us.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 6:17:32 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Where did men (women don't play pinball generally)
in the 70's and 80's find pinball? The heyday was 40's
to 60's. In the 70's it was waning and video games
in the late 70's killed it dead. When I grew up in the
60's I seldom saw it. When the song Pinball Wizard
came out in 69, I remember we were puzzled
because nobody we knew played pinball anymore,
that was the generation before us.



I don't know about where you grew up.
I grew up in Baltimore early 1970's and me and my friends played tons of pinball. All the kids played pinball. Video games were still pretty simplistic back then and not real attractive.
Where I played, the most popular games were pinball and foosball. Video just wasn't cutting it back then yet.
I'm pretty sure I am older then Axelwolf and he mentioned playing a ton of pinball. You only play a ton of pinball as a kid.

Checkout the pinball museum in Vegas for a real education on the subject. I recommend the place.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 6:20:40 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Where did men (women don't play pinball generally) in the 70's and 80's find pinball?


Pinball was still popular with the teenage crowd before Space Invaders showed up in 1980 or so. Once Space Invaders / Asteroids / Pac-Man / Donkey Kong / Centipede showed up, pinball started its decline. Newer machines have a disadvantage in that they tend to be very expensive, especially compared to video games, which are themselves going into decline thanks to the affordability of home gaming systems with decent graphics.

But there's nothing new about pinball machines designed for gambling; do a search on "bingo pinballs". They aren't as widespread as they used to be, in part because authorities are cracking down on them (in California, if you are caught with a bingo pinball (and I am not sure if the "25 years old makes it an antique" exception for slot machines applies), it gets taken away and almost certainly destroyed), but if you look hard enough, you can find them. The Pinball Hall of Fame on Tropicana has one, but I don't think it was working the last time I looked (and no, they will not buy back your credits).

Question: just how does this new game work? Is it that your score determines how much of the wheel is green when it spins to determine if you won your bet or not? If so, I would expect professional pinball players (yes, they exist) to be all over this machine.

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