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DRich
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October 2nd, 2014 at 12:34:46 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard



The game will calibrate itself to how much skill is needed to widen the winning slices according to well previous players did.



If this is true it will make it very difficult to get approved in many jurisdictions. For most electronic gaming devices prior performance may not change the probability of outcomes.
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Boz
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October 2nd, 2014 at 12:36:31 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Things like this appeal to a niche crowd,
is that enough to make money for a
casino? And it depends how often the
player can win, if he loses 90% of the
time he won't be back. The biggest
demo for machines is women over 50.
Are they going to play it? My wife and
her 4 sisters are all over 50 and they
wouldn't go near it.

The demo who likes PB is men under 30.
They are scarce in casinos and have no
money. If your machine is cheap and
they can win, they'll play it. What few
of them there are.



You mean there are slots out there that I can win on more than 10% of the time?? And I am not talking about the ones Axel plays.
EvenBob
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October 2nd, 2014 at 12:38:33 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I'm going to say one thing about my skepticism too. I'm skeptical that many folks on this forum care about me and my potential for success in my career in the slightest.



You mean don't care, the way you have it written
makes no sense.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 12:39:53 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Hey, bud! Thanks for the support. That's what we need. Casinos ultimately don't care as long as they get their edge, and it's a simple math problem.

The potential for advantage play is what is going to drive up the bet denominations. There is no precedent for this in the space of video machines, so there is some hesitancy to believe folks will bet $100 per game on this, but that's my vision! $100 is a SMALL bet for this game.



Interesting game. At $100 a play, it's not for me, but I like the concept.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 12:45:15 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

You mean there are slots out there that I can win on more than 10% of the time?? And I am not talking about the ones Axel plays.



I'm talking about sessions. Leaving the casino
with money. My wife won on three visits in a
row, then lost all three wins plus another 200
on the 4th visit. This gives her the illusion that
she can some day get ahead and stay ahead.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 1:16:00 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I'm going to say one thing about my skepticism too. I'm skeptical that many folks on this forum care about me and my potential for success in my career in the slightest.



Ahigh,

I really wish you hadn't said this. Makes it nearly impossible to offer opinions or constructive criticism on a new game. One of the most valuable things this board offers (and I went through it) is peer review on the merits, questions about perceived weaknesses, suggestions for variations or better procedures, whatever. If you believe it's personally driven before it's even said, then that kills the value of the critiques. Either people post reassuring supportive posts they may or may not believe, or they're a-holes who have it in for you by making the slightest criticism. How is anybody supposed to have a conversation about your product with you so defensive?

I really like the potential. I think EB's thoughts about the available market of interested players are a valid criticism, at least pending a better understanding of the bet structure. Your game is a :for 1 return, not a :to 1 like many black-chip games, as best I can tell. That alone scares me. How do you get people with that kind of money to play a game like that? (Not rhetorical).
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October 2nd, 2014 at 1:24:47 PM permalink
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I hope you and your company do well with it.



Me too.

I need to recapture some of my NTEK stock investment.
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wudged
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October 2nd, 2014 at 1:26:09 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Your game is a :for 1 return, not a :to 1 like many black-chip games, as best I can tell. That alone scares me. How do you get people with that kind of money to play a game like that? (Not rhetorical).



What's the difference whether a payout is listed as 2 for 1 or 1 to 1 ?
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October 2nd, 2014 at 1:32:53 PM permalink
Quote: wudged

What's the difference whether a payout is listed as 2 for 1 or 1 to 1 ?



Well, for example, (and it may be just psychological): I put $100 on Red. I win. I get $100, and I keep my $100.

I put $100 on BJ. I win. I get $100, plus I can leave my $100 in for the next bet.

I put $100 in JoB VP. I "win" with a pair of Jacks. I didn't win. I just got my money back.

I put $100 in this game. I pick the 450 to win 5. If I win, I get, what? $101, I think (but this is what I didn't understand from what Ahigh said). $100 of that was my money I had to win back. I won $1. And I had to bet $100 to do it.

I'm having trouble doing that at that level. OTOH, I can't bring myself to bet $100/hand on 1 line VP, either. So maybe I'm just not the demographic NTEK's looking for.
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DJTeddyBear
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October 2nd, 2014 at 1:44:10 PM permalink
Babs -

It's typical for table games to use :to notation while machines use :for notation for one very real reason: on table games, when you win and get back your money, it's your actual chips, not replacement chips that you get back. Think about coin droppers and you realize that machines do not return your actual money.

So in that reaspect, this game is a slot machine and correctly uses :for notation.

BJ machines technically should also use :for notation but that would confuse average BJ players.
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