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September 28th, 2014 at 8:12:08 PM permalink
I am just starting this thread (with approval from the Wizard) to announce that we are showing Vegas 2047 pinball at booth #2712.

Just to get started, some images of the "stuff we all get" or SWAG.







You definitely will want to stop by and say hello. We are in between the two main entrances, so you need to jog over a bit to find us, but we are very close to the front doors!
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September 28th, 2014 at 8:34:33 PM permalink
I'll be sure to stop by. Love the serial number on the die. :+)
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September 28th, 2014 at 9:29:04 PM permalink
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I'll be sure to stop by. Love the serial number on the die. :+)



Thanks. Check out our Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/vegas2047 too. OH YEAH. FREE

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TO THE LARGEST BANKROLL for each of the three days of the exhibit! (bankrolls are reset at 10am each day - previous days winners and employees/associates of NanoTech are not eligible).
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September 28th, 2014 at 9:35:08 PM permalink
Just a sample of the artwork used to create Vegas 2047 from our AMAZING and TALENTED Art Director Adrian Ludley.

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September 28th, 2014 at 9:38:53 PM permalink
An image of the card used to play the game at the G2E show.

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September 29th, 2014 at 7:58:57 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Just a sample of the artwork used to create Vegas 2047 from our AMAZING and TALENTED Art Director Adrian Ludley.

very nice indeed.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 29th, 2014 at 8:02:08 AM permalink
Beautiful. I was a pinball junkie from about age 8, even won a few tournaments. You're making me jones for it.
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September 29th, 2014 at 8:33:37 AM permalink
How much will the pinball machine retail for?

I have a few (although older ones) in my collection.

I have a Pinbot and Revenge From Mars 3D.

Is there a video of how the action plays?
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September 29th, 2014 at 8:40:19 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh



Just to get started, some images of the "stuff we all get" or SWAG.







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September 29th, 2014 at 9:08:10 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Quote: Ahigh



Just to get started, some images of the "stuff we all get" or SWAG.







What, no Red Bull?

+1 very clever sir, very clever.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 29th, 2014 at 10:35:07 AM permalink
We have everything shown in the original post, including Red Bull and Blueberry Red Bull. I have to practice what I preach, and hopefully I have enough Red Bull for at least the first few hours of the show! But honestly, I hope to run out as you have to play the game and win to get a drink.







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September 29th, 2014 at 2:54:02 PM permalink
Here's the latest press release about the game.

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NanoTech Delivers State-of-the-Art Technology to the Gaming Industry at G2E 2014

NanoTech Gaming Labs Division Exhibiting at Booth #2712 in Las Vegas
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LAS VEGAS, Sept. 29, 2014

LAS VEGAS, Sept. 29, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- NanoTech Entertainment (OTC Pink: NTEK), a pioneer in developing state-of-the-art gaming technology, will debut its line of new patent-pending technologies to the gaming industry at G2E 2014 Booth #2712 at the Sands Expo & Convention Center in Las Vegas from September 30 to October 2. NanoTech will be showcasing its Vegas 2047, Advantage Play High Limit Pinball game that combines all of the new technology offerings from NanoTech Gaming Labs into a single, high-limit gaming machine. This game features the most realistic video pinball simulation ever created, using the most fluid and immersive visuals combined with a unique advantage betting system. Visitors to the G2E booth will be able to register for a NanoTech player's card, and compete to win a brand new Apple iPad each day of the show.

NanoTech Entertainment (OTCPINK: NTEK), a pioneer in bringing the 4K Ultra HD experience to consumers, NanoTech Entertainment is a conglomerate of entertainment companies focused on leveraging technology to deliver state of the art entertainment and communications products. Headquartered in San Jose, CA, NanoTech Entertainment is a technology company that focuses on all aspects of the entertainment industry...
Aaron Hightower, NanoTech's Vice President of Gaming stated, "We are very excited to be showing the gaming industry its first glimpse of the future of Advantage Play technology with our patent-pending NanoTech Advantage system." By allowing game strategy to impact the expected value per bet, while retaining the operator's ability to adjust machines to meet their desired hold percentage, and operating within all local betting regulations, interactive game creators will be able to develop a new line of casino games that appeal to the recurring players."

Mark Nicely, of Nicely Done Gaming, an industry veteran and mathematics specialist stated "I've seen lots folk in the industry try to marry gambling and video game play -- myself included. NanoTech looks to be the first team to have finally succeeded. What the NanoTech team has done is truly compelling. Bravo." NanoTech worked with Nicely and Gaming Labs International to ensure that the system meets all of the criteria needed to be used by the industry.

In conjunction with the NanoTech Advantage, NanoTech is highlighting its specific implementation called the NanoTech Bet Cube. Bet Cube is a System that incorporates the Players bets and allows them to configure their bet within the entire domain of possible gambling parameters. By giving Players control over their bet amount, chance to win, bet frequency, pay multiple, and payout histogram, and divulging as much information as possible (such as the average expected house edge) the NanoTech Bet Cube provides more transparency than any system in any gaming machine, and lets the Player determine exactly how they want to gamble.

In addition to the new betting technology, NanoTech will also be showcasing its new patent-pending display technology, NanoTech Game Flow, which revolutionizes the clarity and motion of video gaming machine displays. Hightower continued, "By combining several video technologies as well as techniques that our team has been developing for over a decade, we are able to provide a clarity and smoothness to video displays that has never been seen before in this industry." NanoTech's demonstration will include a demonstration of Game Flow technology, showing side-by-side comparisons on 39" 4K Ultra HD displays, one stock and one using Game Flow, from a single video source. "By combining our patent-pending modifications to the display, and having the ability to run at 120Hz, GameFlow provides the most fluid visuals ever seen in the gaming industry," added Hightower.

Finally, NanoTech will be highlighting its new patent-pending input technology, NanoTech HVS, which allows for greater precision player interaction than ever seen before. Stephen Riesenberger, Creative Director for NanoTech Gaming Labs noted "By increasing the timing resolution of player inputs by an exponential factor, we have been able to eliminate any 'lag' in real time game feedback. It's amazing how much better and more responsive games feel using this technology." Machines using HVS can precisely measure a Player's skill in a game, whether in Casino or in Arcade Tournament settings, where real cash prizes and jackpots are at stake. The HVS system eliminates mechanical failures, input latency, and physics simulation latency in order to remove barriers between the videogame and the skill of the Player.



http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/NTEK/news?id=88685
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September 29th, 2014 at 3:32:23 PM permalink
AP pinball?

Looks nice: sort of steampunk.

Are you going to replace your in home craps table with a pinball game now?

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September 30th, 2014 at 12:37:15 AM permalink
My office is my new playground when it comes to pinball. The team that we are building is truly the elite team that I wanted to build. I am just so happy to have the support of friends and coworkers who believe in the vision that Team Vegas 2047 shares for the future of land-based casino gaming machines.
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September 30th, 2014 at 12:51:31 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I have a few (although older ones) in my collection.
I have a Pinbot and Revenge From Mars 3D



I really liked Pinbot....2nd only to Space Invaders. Will be by Ahigh to check out the goods, art looks very nice indeed & I just have to try the video pinball!
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September 30th, 2014 at 2:55:15 PM permalink
I played it. Very fun game, although I'm a bit confused about the relationship of the bet, score and payout.

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Looks nice: sort of steampunk.

Very steampunk. I can't post photos till I get home, but its got copper pipe attached to the cabinet and other steampunk fluorishes.
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September 30th, 2014 at 9:28:35 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I played it. Very fun game, although I'm a bit confused about the relationship of the bet, score and payout.

Very steampunk. I can't post photos till I get home, but its got copper pipe attached to the cabinet and other steampunk fluorishes.

That's all? Dammed by faint praise.

I hope to get there tomorrow.
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September 30th, 2014 at 11:18:56 PM permalink
The Wizard was kind enough to show up and say a few words about his first impressions on camera. It will be a few days, but I am sure that the Wizard's comments will filter onto the net in a few days.
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October 1st, 2014 at 12:19:27 PM permalink
So far about 2 hrs into G2E Ahigh's game is by far the most unique. Crowded booth for sure. I'm not sure how they can adapt it to the masses, it seems they are targeting high limit players and a niche market. I can see it as a highly addictive game and attractive to a few whales.

Ps I think I have a shot at the Ipad but to many people waiting to play.Dont want to hog the machines from possible investors.
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October 1st, 2014 at 10:05:32 PM permalink
After seeing the video I am even more skeptical now about this concept.

Does anyone on here that has seen it believe it is a viable concept for casinos? I would assume because of the slow speed of game play that it would have to be a minimum $5 denom.
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October 1st, 2014 at 10:25:18 PM permalink
Seeing the EV numbers might scare ploppies. With that being said holy crap this game was fun to play. I forgot I was playing a slot machine the whole time.

I wasn't too clear on the wheel spin part but I'm sure it'll make sense if I check it out more thoroughly. Great job A high!
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October 1st, 2014 at 11:44:20 PM permalink
Way too slow, it will never catch on.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 3:44:24 AM permalink
This video does not do a good job explaining the game. There are more videos to come. I have just been too busy at the show.

I'll share more information soon. This was just the only video I had available to share because it was on my iPhone. The other videos are still waiting to be uploaded and are on other devices that are not with me at the moment.

I can tell you that with the settings we are demonstrating at the show, the game earns $5 per game from $100 to $500 ($100 being the minimum bet) and that it holds 1% at $500 and above. Average game time is about 30 seconds. $100 is a SMALL minimum bet for the concept being shown: it's a high limit table game, not a slot machine.

For a game like the Wizard's games, the game held about 15% for at least one of those two games (IIRC) on average. But, as he said, he sucks at pinball. If he had turned off the effect of player skill (which he should have done) it would have saved him about 14.5% of that average cost to play as there is a 0.5% added to the house edge to completely disable the effect of pinball skill on the EV of the bet resolution.

In the specific instance shown, the game held $10,000 in a couple of minutes from an expert like the Wizard giving him a terrible house edge. If he were really trying to win (EG: if it were his money), he would have asked if I could play pinball for his bet, for which I would have gladly obliged.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 4:23:29 AM permalink
I'm going to say one thing about my skepticism too. I'm skeptical that many folks on this forum care about me and my potential for success in my career in the slightest.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 4:50:49 AM permalink
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Seeing the EV numbers might scare ploppies. With that being said holy crap this game was fun to play. I forgot I was playing a slot machine the whole time.

I wasn't too clear on the wheel spin part but I'm sure it'll make sense if I check it out more thoroughly. Great job A high!



Thanks for the complement. The wheel changed on the second day and I think it's more clear. Green means win, and red means lose now.

But also, this is a new game. You need to play it for an hour to really get it. As long as you're having fun, and hour goes by pretty damn quick!
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October 2nd, 2014 at 4:52:25 AM permalink
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Way too slow, it will never catch on.



I thought you might like it because it was designed to have a wheel similar to roulette, and like roulette the house edge does not change with your chance to win or your potential win multiple.

You should come to the show and try it out. Buzz was there, and he said that he liked it.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 5:14:24 AM permalink
There are also a third set of buttons that do some special things:

1) In the first three seconds of the game, if you hit both of the special buttons, the skill component of the game is disabled and the game instantly ends -- this gives you a 100% chance-only gambling experience without playing pinball at all and instead simply applying the operator selected hold amount
2) After the game is completed, these special buttons present a QR code for bragging rights. If you hit the special buttons for a no-skill game, your score will show up as zero.

Maybe some folks will try these features tomorrow. I didn't tell anyone about them in the first two days as I would prefer to see people play the pinball game instead of looking for a three-second gambling experience.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 6:08:29 AM permalink
Here's some stuff showing part of the build process from our security camera system.

Fun stuff.

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October 2nd, 2014 at 7:01:57 AM permalink
People have been trying to adapt pinball to casino gaming for a long time, I a friend try in 1992 but he was denied a license. Ahigh and his team seems to be the first to do it right.

After only one session on this game I was seriously intrigued (to be fair I love pinball) so after seeing nothing to exiting at the rest of G2E I went back to Ahigh's booth to build my score and show Djatc.

I challenge Ahight or any of his team (they had to of have had tons of practice) to a game(s) of pinball for a wager. Ahigh was confident I had no chance vs him, considering my limited experience. We decided the winner would be determined on the total score, pre wheel feature, the wheel feature determines your final results
I wanted to take out the luck factor. Someone could have a bad game and still win because of the wheel spin feature or visa versa. Your skill only helps your odds and % of winning after your ball is drained(end of the round). The wheel spin feature is almost like a free game match feature on a real pinball game.

First game: Ahight went first. His session went fast as the ball drained quickly with a score of 2800 I believe(he conceded). I still wanted my turn. As soon as I beat his score I let the ball drain.

The 2nd game went a bit better for Ahigh however I still won.

He seemed agitated, I believe he said "I hate you"

I offered a 3rd game at 5 to 1 (no takers) probably a bad bet for me anyways.

No doubt Ahigh had more pressing matters to attend to.

His booth was the busiest in that area by far everybody loved the concept.

There's a learning curve on how to make and adjust you bests and understanding how it works.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 7:50:54 AM permalink
Looks like a real fun game. I would play.
Watched the Wiz play, wow, just trying to just smack the ball up.
Cmon Wiz, strategy.
The proper way to play is to try to catch the balls so you make an aimed shot.
You have the flipper up to catch the ball so it rolls up the slot next to the flipper, then rolls back down the slot to the flipper and you make an aimed shot.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 8:22:00 AM permalink
I got internet from the show! This is not done processing at time of post but should be viewable soon. More to come!
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October 2nd, 2014 at 9:17:20 AM permalink
Aaron, just wanted to say Congrats on creating something new and exciting. Speaking for myself, I hope you and your company do well with it. We need more creative thinking instead of what sounds like more of same licensed theme slots coming from the show.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 9:19:40 AM permalink
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Aaron, just wanted to say Congrats on creating something new and exciting. Speaking for myself, I hope you and your company do well with it. We need more creative thinking instead of what sounds like more of same licensed theme slots coming from the show.



Hey, bud! Thanks for the support. That's what we need. Casinos ultimately don't care as long as they get their edge, and it's a simple math problem.

The potential for advantage play is what is going to drive up the bet denominations. There is no precedent for this in the space of video machines, so there is some hesitancy to believe folks will bet $100 per game on this, but that's my vision! $100 is a SMALL bet for this game.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 9:24:10 AM permalink
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But also, this is a new game. You need to play it for an hour to really get it. As long as you're having fun, and hour goes by pretty damn quick!



I find this concerning. If a player needs to play it for an hour to get it, aren't you concerned that you won't get that window from most beginners? Also, if they game lasts an average of 30 seconds and has a minimum bet of $100, an hour to learn the game would be very expensive.

I'm sorry, I am not trying to be too negative because I have not seen the game in person. I hope you succeed, gaming needs new products and new paradigms.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 9:25:25 AM permalink
Just watching the video which explains it better. Only issue is you cannot see the score/ bet screen very well on the video.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 11:11:04 AM permalink
I'm writing from the viewpoint of wanting this to be a great game that I will seek out and play.

The skill-based effort is strictly flipper action, right? No motion-sensing any bumping or jolting the case for extra bumper action or angle-changing. No plunger action for shot-skill. And the player has no control of whether and when they play multi-ball. I had a different idea of what you were including when you discussed physics-based skill integration to the game. It is nice that you can catch the ball on the flipper. Also that the ball has some weight attributed to it, so it will run up and back down the inner drain lanes.

The software is very basic pinball design, so I'm guessing there are all kinds of features you could add, like return poppers in the outside drain lanes, wormholes to return the ball to play after making them, ramp-overs, progressive target-hitting features, etc. Also that, between showing the center wheel (which I thought at first was a ball-spinner) at start and finish, there might be other pinball features in the center of the table for more play and scoring opportunities. This is a demo, so I can see you wanting it to compress the middle activities, but I want more going on in the actual game.

I had a hard time understanding why I would want to play 450 to win 5, or how I would bet optimally. The chances are proportionate to the increase in win target, with the HE stable, correct? Even under skill-based play, there's an edge built in. (Even trying to write this, I'm demonstrating my confusion with what you're doing. So I'll let you discuss this part as you will.) I would find both a win and a loss a disappointment at betting 450 to win 5, though. So I think I'm just not understanding something.

From a pinball POV, this game might not last long enough. My typical 3-ball game (we're talking machines from the 60's-70's) would go 5-7 minutes, and 10 or more on a good run. From a casino POV, maybe it lasts too long at 30 seconds/game or so, though it's not as if you're paying anyone to stand there while the customer plays. I don't know; they certainly do fine from people betting 5-25 cents a spin on many slots and VP machines. $100 minimum would answer that question, but also niche you into maybe 2% of the market (SWAG) being willing to put $100/game into it.

Interested to learn more about it, for sure.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 12:17:39 PM permalink

Click on image for larger version.

Please forgive for copying and pasting my description of Vegas 2047 Pinball from my upcoming blog entry about the new table games at the 2014 Global Gaming Expo.

Vegas 2047 Pinball was by far the most innovative idea at the show. The game itself is a very realistic electronic representation of pinball. The cabinet looked like a copper and brass contraption one might encounter in one of the Myst games. I was told this style is called Steampunk.

The game is also novel in that the player can select any bet and winning goal he wishes, subject to game limits. After the player makes his wager he plays a game of pinball. Personally I'm an awful pinball player. I may get called a wizard but never a Pinball Wizard. I was pleased to see my bet last about a minute, which is about twice as long as I last in a conventional pinball game.

The pinball stage of the game has some bearing on the players odds of winning, but is mostly for show. After the last ball is gone a wheel will spin on the game, with winning and losing sectors. Depending on the player's ratio of winning goal to bet, his performance in the pinball game, and the performance of other players, the size of the winning slices will be adjusted. If the wheel stops in a winning slice, the player wins.

The game will calibrate itself to how much skill is needed to widen the winning slices according to well previous players did. This way, the game can guarantee to be no exploited by advantage pinball players. I'm told that, the game can not go above 100% theoretical return, even if Tommy plays it after having been played for years by drunks and elderly bingo players. The maximum return may be even less, according to the settings chosen by casino management.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 12:24:27 PM permalink
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You should come to the show and try it out. Buzz was there, and he said that he liked it.



Things like this appeal to a niche crowd,
is that enough to make money for a
casino? And it depends how often the
player can win, if he loses 90% of the
time he won't be back. The biggest
demo for machines is women over 50.
Are they going to play it? My wife and
her 4 sisters are all over 50 and they
wouldn't go near it.

The demo who likes PB is men under 30.
They are scarce in casinos and have no
money. If your machine is cheap and
they can win, they'll play it. What few
of them there are.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 12:34:46 PM permalink
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The game will calibrate itself to how much skill is needed to widen the winning slices according to well previous players did.



If this is true it will make it very difficult to get approved in many jurisdictions. For most electronic gaming devices prior performance may not change the probability of outcomes.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 12:36:31 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Things like this appeal to a niche crowd,
is that enough to make money for a
casino? And it depends how often the
player can win, if he loses 90% of the
time he won't be back. The biggest
demo for machines is women over 50.
Are they going to play it? My wife and
her 4 sisters are all over 50 and they
wouldn't go near it.

The demo who likes PB is men under 30.
They are scarce in casinos and have no
money. If your machine is cheap and
they can win, they'll play it. What few
of them there are.



You mean there are slots out there that I can win on more than 10% of the time?? And I am not talking about the ones Axel plays.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 12:38:33 PM permalink
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I'm going to say one thing about my skepticism too. I'm skeptical that many folks on this forum care about me and my potential for success in my career in the slightest.



You mean don't care, the way you have it written
makes no sense.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 12:39:53 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Hey, bud! Thanks for the support. That's what we need. Casinos ultimately don't care as long as they get their edge, and it's a simple math problem.

The potential for advantage play is what is going to drive up the bet denominations. There is no precedent for this in the space of video machines, so there is some hesitancy to believe folks will bet $100 per game on this, but that's my vision! $100 is a SMALL bet for this game.



Interesting game. At $100 a play, it's not for me, but I like the concept.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 12:45:15 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

You mean there are slots out there that I can win on more than 10% of the time?? And I am not talking about the ones Axel plays.



I'm talking about sessions. Leaving the casino
with money. My wife won on three visits in a
row, then lost all three wins plus another 200
on the 4th visit. This gives her the illusion that
she can some day get ahead and stay ahead.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 1:16:00 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I'm going to say one thing about my skepticism too. I'm skeptical that many folks on this forum care about me and my potential for success in my career in the slightest.



Ahigh,

I really wish you hadn't said this. Makes it nearly impossible to offer opinions or constructive criticism on a new game. One of the most valuable things this board offers (and I went through it) is peer review on the merits, questions about perceived weaknesses, suggestions for variations or better procedures, whatever. If you believe it's personally driven before it's even said, then that kills the value of the critiques. Either people post reassuring supportive posts they may or may not believe, or they're a-holes who have it in for you by making the slightest criticism. How is anybody supposed to have a conversation about your product with you so defensive?

I really like the potential. I think EB's thoughts about the available market of interested players are a valid criticism, at least pending a better understanding of the bet structure. Your game is a :for 1 return, not a :to 1 like many black-chip games, as best I can tell. That alone scares me. How do you get people with that kind of money to play a game like that? (Not rhetorical).
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October 2nd, 2014 at 1:24:47 PM permalink
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I hope you and your company do well with it.



Me too.

I need to recapture some of my NTEK stock investment.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 1:26:09 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Your game is a :for 1 return, not a :to 1 like many black-chip games, as best I can tell. That alone scares me. How do you get people with that kind of money to play a game like that? (Not rhetorical).



What's the difference whether a payout is listed as 2 for 1 or 1 to 1 ?
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October 2nd, 2014 at 1:32:53 PM permalink
Quote: wudged

What's the difference whether a payout is listed as 2 for 1 or 1 to 1 ?



Well, for example, (and it may be just psychological): I put $100 on Red. I win. I get $100, and I keep my $100.

I put $100 on BJ. I win. I get $100, plus I can leave my $100 in for the next bet.

I put $100 in JoB VP. I "win" with a pair of Jacks. I didn't win. I just got my money back.

I put $100 in this game. I pick the 450 to win 5. If I win, I get, what? $101, I think (but this is what I didn't understand from what Ahigh said). $100 of that was my money I had to win back. I won $1. And I had to bet $100 to do it.

I'm having trouble doing that at that level. OTOH, I can't bring myself to bet $100/hand on 1 line VP, either. So maybe I'm just not the demographic NTEK's looking for.
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October 2nd, 2014 at 1:44:10 PM permalink
Babs -

It's typical for table games to use :to notation while machines use :for notation for one very real reason: on table games, when you win and get back your money, it's your actual chips, not replacement chips that you get back. Think about coin droppers and you realize that machines do not return your actual money.

So in that reaspect, this game is a slot machine and correctly uses :for notation.

BJ machines technically should also use :for notation but that would confuse average BJ players.
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