Evenbob's Roulette Thread
September 19th, 2023 at 9:34:41 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfYou said somewhere that you got heat for writing down toat boards and you weren't even playing.
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Only in Las Vegas, never happens any place else. They are paranoid because of visual ballistic players who look for flaws in the wheel so they write all the numbers down and study them later. They actually pay people to sit in a casino for hours and record the numbers. Before I sit down to play I usually write the numbers down and if they see you doing that when you're not sitting at the table they will sometimes give you a hard time. Especially downtown. Especially if you're doing it in a notebook, they sometimes ask to see what you're writing down. Never had that problem any place else but downtown Las Vegas where they sweat the money.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2023 at 9:46:21 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfMath is futile when you have a guy who plays single zero roulette and claims he ignores the green (zero).
20 years of "meticulous" logs and roulette study, thousands of posts about roulette... all to finally pay a few hundred a month in bills during your golden years.
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Zero is just another pocket that you didn't bet on, nothing more. What's wrong with paying all your bills with Casino money, what should I be doing with it. Seriously what business is it of yours how I choose to live because it's different than yours. And are these my golden years, they don't feel very golden. I don't even know what that term means. I go back to the guy I mentioned a few weeks ago who was a master counterfeiter but all he counterfeited was $1 bills and it took them forever to catch him. All he did with the money was pay his bills. He could have been counterfeiting $100 bills and gotten rich but he didn't see the point of it. It was just a game to him, he got a kick out of it. Not everybody can be Elon Musk who thinks in million dollar thoughts. He said that, that's how he talks. A week ago his net worth was $250 billion, today it's $270 billion. And I'm happy paying my bills with my winnings. Each to his own..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2023 at 9:56:54 PM
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Quote: AxelWolf
20 years of "meticulous" logs and roulette study, thousands of posts about roulette...
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Remember a while back when they were saying if you want to master something it takes 10,000 hours. If you investigate it now they're finding that it can take a lot longer than 10,000 hours. It can take 20,000 hours or even more. I totally agree with that.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 12:53:31 AM
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Quote: billryanI didn't ask you to analyze it, did I?
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Where am I wrong? It seems like a person would cash out well over 95% of the time.
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 20th, 2023 at 2:00:11 AM
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100,000 hours practicing the impossible gets you the same results as a guy who has zero time practicing. You wasted thousands of hours on nonsense.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
20 years of "meticulous" logs and roulette study, thousands of posts about roulette...
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Remember a while back when they were saying if you want to master something it takes 10,000 hours. If you investigate it now they're finding that it can take a lot longer than 10,000 hours. It can take 20,000 hours or even more. I totally agree with that.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 20th, 2023 at 2:12:28 AM
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Quote: AxelWolf
1000,000 hours practicing the impossible gets you the same results as a guy who has zero time practicing. You wasted thousands of hours on nonsense.
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Aaand that's really all there is to say about that matter. Mic drop.
Don't beat yourself up over past mistakes, you are going to f*** up again in the future, quite possibly in the most spectacular fashion, why worry about yesterday's f*** up's when you have tomorrow's f*** up's to look forward to?
You are a f*** up, and f***** up is part of your growth process, embrace the process.
September 20th, 2023 at 6:21:02 AM
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Quote: AxelWolf100,000 hours practicing the impossible gets you the same results as a guy who has zero time practicing. You wasted thousands of hours on nonsense.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
20 years of "meticulous" logs and roulette study, thousands of posts about roulette...
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Remember a while back when they were saying if you want to master something it takes 10,000 hours. If you investigate it now they're finding that it can take a lot longer than 10,000 hours. It can take 20,000 hours or even more. I totally agree with that.
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100,000 hours of practicing in non-casinos will save you a lot of money. 100,000 hours worth of it.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 20th, 2023 at 6:32:12 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfMath is futile when you have a guy who plays single zero roulette and claims he ignores the green (zero).
20 years of "meticulous" logs and roulette study, thousands of posts about roulette... all to finally pay a few hundred a month in bills during your golden years.
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Hey, if EB's signature is to be believed, it does NOT suck to be him....
September 20th, 2023 at 6:34:54 AM
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If you read it on the internets, you know you can trust it.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 20th, 2023 at 6:35:54 AM
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I have spent 100,000 hours practicing breaking the law of conservation of momentum on a pool table. I am almost there. EB has already perfected the impossible by reading random. Can't you just acknowledge greatness?Quote: AxelWolf100,000 hours practicing the impossible gets you the same results as a guy who has zero time practicing. You wasted thousands of hours on nonsense.
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Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
September 20th, 2023 at 7:32:28 AM
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House edge after practicing Roulette for 0 hours: 5.26%
House edge after practicing Roulette for 20,000 hours: 5.26%
Being the top poster on the WoV forum: Priceless
House edge after practicing Roulette for 20,000 hours: 5.26%
Being the top poster on the WoV forum: Priceless
September 20th, 2023 at 7:39:45 AM
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100,000 hours practicing the impossible gets you the same results as a guy who has zero time practicing. You wasted thousands of hours on nonsense.Quote: AxelWolf
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LOL! You keep repeating the same thing over and over like you think you know what you're talking about. You want so badly for it to be true that you pretend it is true. You have convinced yourself it can't be done and so you pretend that nobody can do it. Luckily for me I didn't know any of that stuff when I started, nobody told me I couldn't do it. So I did it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 7:43:28 AM
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Quote: Mental
EB has already perfected the impossible by reading random. Can't you just acknowledge greatness?
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Perfection is an impossible goal. What you do is you strive for perfection knowing that you'll never get there. I learn new stuff everyday about roulette, luckily I'm sponsored by the casino. LOL
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 7:52:36 AM
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You are truly an inspiration for us all just like the silly old ram in 'High Hopes'.Quote: EvenBobQuote: Mental
EB has already perfected the impossible by reading random. Can't you just acknowledge greatness?
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Perfection is an impossible goal. What you do is you strive for perfection knowing that you'll never get there. I learn new stuff everyday about roulette, luckily I'm sponsored by the casino. LOL
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Perfection would be being able to spot the pattern without seeing any previous spins of the wheel. So, are you saying you need to see at least one previous spins in order to do your bet selection?
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
September 20th, 2023 at 7:57:50 AM
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Quote: EvenBobI learn new stuff everyday about roulette,
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That's odd.... it's a pretty simple game. You should have learned everything there was to know about it 18 years ago or whenever you started playing.
September 20th, 2023 at 8:06:28 AM
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Well, roulette is more complicated than a coin flip, and I think EB could spend five years learning new things about a coin flip every day.Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobI learn new stuff everyday about roulette,
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That's odd.... it's a pretty simple game. You should have learned everything there was to know about it 18 years ago or whenever you started playing.
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It is a shame that EB does not write a daily 'New Stuff Learned' post. Then maybe his post count wouldn't be so low.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
September 20th, 2023 at 8:09:40 AM
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Quote: Mental
Perfection would be being able to spot the pattern without seeing any previous spins of the wheel.
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That's ridiculous, that's like saying you know how to drive your car without looking out the windshield.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 8:13:18 AM
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Quote: TigerWu
That's odd.... it's a pretty simple game.
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Yeah, no. It's not a simple game at all. There are people in Europe a couple hundred years ago who spent their entire lives trying to beat this simple game. Roulette is still by far the most popular Casino game in Europe. In the United States you'll see a lot of blackjack tables, in Europe you'll see one blackjack table and 10 roulette tables and they'll all be crowded with people trying to beat this 'simple' game.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 8:15:51 AM
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Quote: MentalWell, roulette is more complicated than a coin flip,
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You guys crack me up. You're all experts on a game you obviously know absolutely nothing about. All you know is what you've heard from other people who know nothing about it, that's the really funny part. And then you opine like you know what you're talking about. Very entertaining..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 8:34:36 AM
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Quote: EvenBobYou guys crack me up. You're all experts on a game you obviously know absolutely nothing about. All you know is what you've heard from other people who know nothing about it, that's the really funny part. And then you opine like you know what you're talking about. Very entertaining..
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LOL, I agree! It's hilarious, right? Watching people talk about games when they have no idea what's going on? It's a riot when they don't know the different between flat betting, a Martingale, and a D'alembert, or the difference between "house edge" and "win rate." Man, I swear, some of these people ACTUALLY think you can "beat" the casino in the long run. They just sit at the table for years, scrawling results down in notebooks, looking for some secret, mystical patterns. Man, it's a hoot, I tell you.
September 20th, 2023 at 10:16:58 AM
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Quote: EvenBobLOL! You keep repeating the same thing over and over like you think you know what you're talking about. You want so badly for it to be true that you pretend it is true. You have convinced yourself it can't be done and so you pretend that nobody can do it. Luckily for me I didn't know any of that stuff when I started, nobody told me I couldn't do it. So I did it.
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LOL! You keep repeating the same thing over and over like you think you know what you're talking about. You want so badly for it to be true that you pretend it is true. You have convinced yourself it can be done and so you pretend that you can do it. Unluckily for you . . .
Yada Yada Yada.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 20th, 2023 at 10:22:48 AM
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Quote: OnceDear
You have convinced yourself it can be done .
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You never get it and I have to keep repeating it over and over. I don't have to convince myself of anything, I have to convince the casino and I do that everyday. Every single day they verify what I know about Roulette by paying me. I showed actual sessions a couple weeks ago that I was playing for minimum amounts and they were paying weren't they. If those amounts were bigger you might not believe this, but they pay those too! Who would'a thunk..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 10:24:42 AM
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Quote: TigerWusome of these people ACTUALLY think you can "beat" the casino in the long run.
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I don't know who 'these' people are but for myself I win in the very short term not in the long term. I won't live long enough to play in the long term.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 10:34:06 AM
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Okay, so at what number of spins does it stop being ridiculous and start being something that could be exploited by a seasoned roulette whisperer such as yourself?Quote: EvenBobQuote: Mental
Perfection would be being able to spot the pattern without seeing any previous spins of the wheel.
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That's ridiculous, that's like saying you know how to drive your car without looking out the windshield.
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If the number of spins is not zero and it is not infinite, then it must be a positive whole number. Does it stop being ridiculous to spot a pattern after 1 spin? 10 spins? Surely you are not watching 1000 spins. If the number is N, then why wouldn't it be possible for N-1 spins if you only had more talent?
Personally, I believe it is impossible to find a useful pattern in a random sequence of roulette spins, even after an infinite number of observations. Then again, I don't have your valuable collection of scribblings.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
September 20th, 2023 at 10:40:27 AM
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Quote: MentalPersonally, I believe it is impossible to find a useful pattern in a random sequence of roulette spins, even after an infinite number of observations. Then again, I don't have your valuable collection of scribblings.
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I only need 5 or 6 spins to find a good pattern to make my proper bet selection. No way EB can beat that.
September 20th, 2023 at 10:51:23 AM
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Quote: Mental
Personally, I believe it is impossible to find a useful pattern in a random sequence of roulette spins,
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Ah, don't you love beliefs that are based on absolutely nothing? People used to believe the Earth was flat, people used to believe that witches killed newborn babies and dried up your well and made your crops fail. Not just a few people believed this, the vast majority of people believed it. So you're silly little belief about patterns pales in comparison to what people are capable of believing in that isn't true.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 10:53:11 AM
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Quote: TigerWu
I only need 5 or 6 spins to find a good pattern to make my proper bet selection. No way EB can beat that.
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You can see lots of patterns after five or six spins.. Go ahead and bet on them it's your money to lose.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 10:57:06 AM
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Thanks for a definitive reply. I think 5 or 6 sounds reasonable, but I need to wait until the expert in roulette bet selection weighs in. I wonder if EB can do better than this. Or will he waffle again? He already dodged the question and went to his standard ad hominem deflection attack.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
September 20th, 2023 at 11:10:45 AM
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Quote: MentalThanks for a definitive reply. I think 5 or 6 sounds reasonable
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It's reasonable, go for it. Just like it's reasonable that when you go hunting as soon as you get into the woods start firing your gun randomly in all directions and maybe you will hit something. As soon as you see a pattern in roulette, any pattern will do, bet big and report back on how you did. Just make sure your wallet doesn't float away in the parking lot because it's going to be a lighter than when you went in..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 11:19:02 AM
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Don't dream it, be it.
If an eighty-year-old woman can become a NY Yankee Ballgirl, who is to say a seventy-five-year-old man can't defy math? You only have to believe it tp achieve it. There is a brave new world out there. If only you believe.
If an eighty-year-old woman can become a NY Yankee Ballgirl, who is to say a seventy-five-year-old man can't defy math? You only have to believe it tp achieve it. There is a brave new world out there. If only you believe.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 20th, 2023 at 11:40:20 AM
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It would be a more apt analogy if the 80 year old ball girl really believed she was Aaron Judge.Quote: billryanDon't dream it, be it.
If an eighty-year-old woman can become a NY Yankee Ballgirl, who is to say a seventy-five-year-old man can't defy math? You only have to believe it tp achieve it. There is a brave new world out there. If only you believe.
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Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
September 20th, 2023 at 11:54:14 AM
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So in a game with independent trials, patterns need to be made up of a minimum number of trials before proper bet selection can be made. Otherwise you're just pissing your money away.
September 20th, 2023 at 12:48:36 PM
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Have you tried shooting in a time crystal?Quote: MentalI have spent 100,000 hours practicing breaking the law of conservation of momentum on a pool table. I am almost there. EB has already perfected the impossible by reading random. Can't you just acknowledge greatness?Quote: AxelWolf100,000 hours practicing the impossible gets you the same results as a guy who has zero time practicing. You wasted thousands of hours on nonsense.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 20th, 2023 at 1:03:07 PM
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Quote: billryanwho is to say a seventy-five-year-old man can't defy math?
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Remind me again, what math is it exactly that I'm defying? Not the LLN, we already had that discussion. So go ahead and tell me about the math. Albert Einstein looked at the math and he said the only way to beat roulette was the steal money from the table when the croupier wasn't looking. But Einstein was wrong, I can win at roulette on a regular basis. But Einstein was wrong a lot about math. He was so wrong, they have his errors grouped from major errors all the way down to minor errors. He was wrong a LOT. Roulette was just one of his minor errors.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 1:07:33 PM
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Quote: TigerWuSo in a game with independent trials, patterns need to be made up of a minimum number of trials
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I do not know about every game that involves independent trials, I know in roulette I need more than five or six numbers to figure out what's going on. The more the better. And the more streams to pick from the better. Such as B/R, O/E, H/L gives three different streams of information which greatly improves my chances of finding something to bet on. This is what makes baccarat so difficult if you only have one stream and it's why I can only play if I use a progression. I could do it flat betting but it would take too long. I would be forever climbing out of a hole just to make a couple of units.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 1:17:05 PM
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Quote: MentalOkay, so at what number of spins does it stop being ridiculous and start being something that could be exploited by a seasoned roulette whisperer such as yourself?Quote: EvenBobQuote: Mental
Perfection would be being able to spot the pattern without seeing any previous spins of the wheel.
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That's ridiculous, that's like saying you know how to drive your car without looking out the windshield.
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If the number of spins is not zero and it is not infinite, then it must be a positive whole number. Does it stop being ridiculous to spot a pattern after 1 spin? 10 spins? Surely you are not watching 1000 spins. If the number is N, then why wouldn't it be possible for N-1 spins if you only had more talent?
Personally, I believe it is impossible to find a useful pattern in a random sequence of roulette spins, even after an infinite number of observations. Then again, I don't have your valuable collection of scribblings.
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Casinos have electronic roulette games. I assume those games have some kind of programming to generate the numbers randomly. Since the programming is done by humans, would it be possible to ferret out patterns to effect ones wagering?
tuttigym
September 20th, 2023 at 1:18:07 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: billryanwho is to say a seventy-five-year-old man can't defy math?
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Remind me again, what math is it exactly that I'm defying? Not the LLN, we already had that discussion. So go ahead and tell me about the math. Albert Einstein looked at the math and he said the only way to beat roulette was the steal money from the table when the croupier wasn't looking. But Einstein was wrong, I can win at roulette on a regular basis. But Einstein was wrong a lot about math. He was so wrong, they have his errors grouped from major errors all the way down to minor errors. He was wrong a LOT. Roulette was just one of his minor errors.
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Einstein spent a lifetime doing math, so he might be expected to have made some errors along the way. You never put any math in any of your posts to avoid showing your failings in this area.
You may be getting forgetful, so I will remind you of the first sentence of the Wiki page on randomness:
"In common usage, randomness is the apparent or actual lack of definite pattern or predictability in information."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness
You claim to select bets when there is, in fact, 'an actual lack of definite pattern or predictability in information'. You are seeing patterns where there are none and then making absurd and unsubstantiated claims to keep yourself at the center of attention. And then you wonder why not a single person here believes you.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
September 20th, 2023 at 1:18:57 PM
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Quote: EvenBobThis is what makes baccarat so difficult if you only have one stream and it's why I can only play if I use a progression.
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Baccarat has multiple streams of information on the scoreboard. Road maps, bead plate, ties, naturals, % banker/player wins, etc. It's a goldmine.
September 20th, 2023 at 1:30:31 PM
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Now, we are getting somewhere. You state that it takes more than 5 or 6 spins for you. How do you know that a master bet selector cannot do it in six spins? That seems more believable to me than you claiming you can select bets based on patterns, but you don't have the foggiest notion of how long the patterns need to be. At least the 6-spin bet selecting roulette maven seems to have confidence in his own abilities.Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuSo in a game with independent trials, patterns need to be made up of a minimum number of trials
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I do not know about every game that involves independent trials, I know in roulette I need more than five or six numbers to figure out what's going on. The more the better. And the more streams to pick from the better. Such as B/R, O/E, H/L gives three different streams of information which greatly improves my chances of finding something to bet on. This is what makes baccarat so difficult if you only have one stream and it's why I can only play if I use a progression. I could do it flat betting but it would take too long. I would be forever climbing out of a hole just to make a couple of units.
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Your last sentence just confirms what we all know. You need a betting progression to win your units. Bet selection is apparently not king for you. A betting system underlies all of your winning sessions.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
September 20th, 2023 at 1:46:07 PM
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Quote: EvenBob100,000 hours practicing the impossible gets you the same results as a guy who has zero time practicing. You wasted thousands of hours on nonsense.Quote: AxelWolf
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Quote: EvenBobLOL! You keep repeating the same thing over and over like you think you know what you're talking about. You want so badly for it to be true that you pretend it is true. You have convinced yourself it can't be done and so you pretend that nobody can do it. Luckily for me I didn't know any of that stuff when I started, nobody told me I couldn't do it. So I did it.
The best revenge is success, however, if you can't make it, fake it.
WTF are you talking about AW?
One must go back and read how Bob was ganged up on, ridiculed, shamed, and laughed at when he first presented his questions on GG about his possible ability to beat roulette. He recently said that to this day he still hurts from that(something along those lines). After reading that, I actually felt legit empathy for him, It was kind of sad.
I thought, here is this prideful lonely cat man who is very passionate about something he feels might be a legitimate winning method/system (probably after a winning streak), only to have his spirit and soul crushed to smithereens by the community he thought would embrace and help him. That's some everlasting powerful $h!+ right there, and that probably changed him forever.
Yes, I felt sad for him, but that didn't last long after remembering how he revels in other's misery.
We have seen how Bob reacts when he's wrong(wrong about Obama), and we have seen how much it hurts him to admit being wrong.
I believe Bob was hurt so badly by those who ridiculed, shamed, and laughed at him that he would say or do anything to convince us of his success. Because the best revenge is success. If you can't make it, fake it.
Bob would probably claim he didn't read this. Predictable Bob.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 20th, 2023 at 2:03:12 PM
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Some pseudo-RNG exploits used to work for some poorly designed gaming machines from the 1990's where the executable code could be decompiled and the clock speeds were glacially slow compared to today.Quote: tuttigymCasinos have electronic roulette games. I assume those games have some kind of programming to generate the numbers randomly. Since the programming is done by humans, would it be possible to ferret out patterns to effect ones wagering?
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Even if you could discover the pRNG algorithm today, the timing would have to be impossibly precise. You would also have to know how the random numbers are used to map to the variables of the game in question. Also, the casinos are wise to this and go to great lengths to protect the pRNG from insider attacks and outsider exploits. It is industry practice to reasonable random events outside of the computer code to inject extra entropy into the pRNG number stream. There are hardware devices available to use truly random events like radioactive decay as a source of entropy. No matter what they use, you would have to know exactly how they are getting the extra entropy into the system. Since you probably never wrote a pseudo- RNG algorithm, I suspect this is all a heavy lift for you.
Remember that there is USD 70 billion industry dependent on solving the security issues surrounding online gaming randomness. They have the motivation and resources to solve this problem so that it is effectively impossible to reverse engineer the pseudo randomness. Your best bet would be to look at mom and pop shops that cut corners on software development and security. The IGTs of the world are not likely to repeat the mistakes some folks made decades ago.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
September 20th, 2023 at 2:23:59 PM
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Even though computer games use pseudo-RNGs, they have one distinct advantage over physical randomizing devices such as dice or roulette wheels. The pRNG and the gaming program that uses it can be subject to testing using sophisticated mathematical techniques to check for any unwanted patterns in the results.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness_test
A gaming device has to deviate substantially from random before it can be exploited, especially for games like roulette where the house advantage is rather large compared to good VP or BJ games. Programming errors would be revealed extremely quickly by sophisticated randomness test suites. While exploitable patterns in a roulette wheel program would be discoverable in 1000 spins or so, there is no reason the game software could not be tested for a trillion spins.
In comparison, a roulette wheel takes a long time to test. I assume casinos have programs to record and test the sequences of numbers from their physical wheels and look for any biases that may have developed from wear or going out of level. These algorithms would easily detect biases long before they reached the level of being exploitable. Note that EB does not claim to exploit biases. His claim is that a randomizing device that has served the gambling industry for centuries does not produce random results, that is, results lacking a definite pattern or predictability in information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness_test
A gaming device has to deviate substantially from random before it can be exploited, especially for games like roulette where the house advantage is rather large compared to good VP or BJ games. Programming errors would be revealed extremely quickly by sophisticated randomness test suites. While exploitable patterns in a roulette wheel program would be discoverable in 1000 spins or so, there is no reason the game software could not be tested for a trillion spins.
In comparison, a roulette wheel takes a long time to test. I assume casinos have programs to record and test the sequences of numbers from their physical wheels and look for any biases that may have developed from wear or going out of level. These algorithms would easily detect biases long before they reached the level of being exploitable. Note that EB does not claim to exploit biases. His claim is that a randomizing device that has served the gambling industry for centuries does not produce random results, that is, results lacking a definite pattern or predictability in information.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
September 20th, 2023 at 3:19:13 PM
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Quote: MentalAnd then you wonder why not a single person here believes you.
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Oh no, does this mean the casino is not going to pay me tonight when I play? You're not making the point you think you're making..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 3:20:33 PM
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Quote: TigerWu
Baccarat has multiple streams of information on the scoreboard. Road maps, bead plate, ties, naturals, % banker/player wins, etc. It's a goldmine.
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It's a goldmine full of Fool's Gold. All those roads are just derivatives of the mainstream and they're useless to me. But you go ahead, knock yourself at the gold mine..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 3:21:59 PM
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Quote: MentalYou need a betting progression to win your units.
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I only use it in baccarat because I only have one stream. Shall I explain it again? Really?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 3:23:32 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfQuote: EvenBob100,000 hours practicing the impossible gets you the same results as a guy who has zero time practicing. You wasted thousands of hours on nonsense.Quote: AxelWolf
link to original postQuote: EvenBobLOL! You keep repeating the same thing over and over like you think you know what you're talking about. You want so badly for it to be true that you pretend it is true. You have convinced yourself it can't be done and so you pretend that nobody can do it. Luckily for me I didn't know any of that stuff when I started, nobody told me I couldn't do it. So I did it.
The best revenge is success, however, if you can't make it, fake it.
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Does Axel ever have a point? What is it, he never gets to it. He just repeats the same stuff over and over.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 3:28:50 PM
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Quote: MentalA gaming device has to deviate substantially from random before it can be exploited
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This is very true, this is what I wait for, deviation from chaos random. If it's producing nothing but chaos random I can't read it and it's useless to me. And it doesn't have to deviate substantially, just enough so I can take advantage of it. And you have to be quick because it usually doesn't last very long. And the times it does last for a while it's a fooler, because it's not going to happen next time. That's why I honed my method down to making one or two units and getting out.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 3:32:01 PM
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Quote: Mental
Einstein spent a lifetime doing math, so he might be expected to have made some errors along the way. You never put any math in any of your posts
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Why would I'm not a math person. I'm simply pointing out that Einstein was wrong, one of his many errors. Many many errors.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 3:34:31 PM
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Quote: billryanwho is to say a seventy-five-year-old man can't defy math?
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Still waiting for someone to point out the math that I am defying, you people mention this all the time. So what is it. We know it's not the LLN, that does not apply to me. So enlighten me, what's this mystery math that I'm supposedly defying.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2023 at 3:47:30 PM
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You are still waiting only because you failed to understand my post above pointing out the problem exactly:Quote: EvenBobQuote: billryanwho is to say a seventy-five-year-old man can't defy math?
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Still waiting for someone to point out the math that I am defying, you people mention this all the time. So what is it. We know it's not the LLN, that does not apply to me. So enlighten me, what's this mystery math that I'm supposedly defying.
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Quote: from my earlier responseYou may be getting forgetful, so I will remind you of the first sentence of the Wiki page on randomness:
"In common usage, randomness is the apparent or actual lack of definite pattern or predictability in information."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness
Mathematically, there is no information carried in a random pattern, therefore there is no information to exploit.
I am hoping you will read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_theory and then write a clear explanation of how you are able to violate the basic mathematical tenets of information theory with your reading randomness.
Then again, the problem is not explaining math to you. The problem is getting you to understand math.
Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
