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September 29th, 2023 at 9:48:53 AM permalink
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As a potential challenger, I'm just waiting for Wizard to get involved. At that point either all the details will be ironed out, or the challenge will be thrown out for one reason or another.
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Heads I win, tails you lose is not a challenge. It's a suckers bet. How does Bob win? By only having to give away $500 instead of $1,000?
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EB "wins" by getting more ammo to "prove" his method works. The winnings and log entries will have been verified by Wizard (or so EB hopes).
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Exactly 2 entities win.
The casino and the person getting the free roll.
Why doesn't Bob win? Well he might. but it depends.

Unless he does something that shows a statistical anomaly while flat betting.... him winning $500 won't matter. He needs to show something that is well above the standard deviation.

I predict this challenge will never happen, won't provide a statistical anomaly, or Bob will back out and pay the money with some BS excuse. IE it's looking like a failure, therfore Bob come up with some BS why he stopped.

P.S. I thought Mike said something about not accepting any new challenges or whatever, and being sworn to secrecy.... as far as the data and challenge goes? (Perhaps someone can find that posting where he mentioned something like that.
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September 29th, 2023 at 10:21:01 AM permalink
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So it's going to take just under three years to complete this challenge?
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I estimate it will take somewhere between 3 days and 13 years to complete. The metastudy is just in and that's what I gleaned from it.
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It's an important question related to the challenger's money, how long it will be locked away from him. Not sure why no serious answer but you do you.
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Seven and a half..... Million years
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September 29th, 2023 at 10:32:21 AM permalink
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So it's going to take just under three years to complete this challenge?
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I estimate it will take somewhere between 3 days and 13 years to complete. The metastudy is just in and that's what I gleaned from it.
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It's an important question related to the challenger's money, how long it will be locked away from him. Not sure why no serious answer but you do you.
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Seven and a half..... Million years
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Over /under if Bobby will back out and prove nothing for the 3rd(?) time I.E. incomplete challenge.

No actual challenge starts?

I fear that Mike won't want to deal with it in fear of making someone looking like a fool.
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September 29th, 2023 at 10:53:29 AM permalink
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So it's going to take just under three years to complete this challenge?
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I estimate it will take somewhere between 3 days and 13 years to complete. The metastudy is just in and that's what I gleaned from it.
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It's an important question related to the challenger's money, how long it will be locked away from him. Not sure why no serious answer but you do you.
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Seven and a half..... Million years
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Over /under if Bobby will back out and prove nothing for the 3rd(?) time I.E. incomplete challenge.

No actual challenge starts?

I fear that Mike won't want to deal with it in fear of making someone looking like a fool.
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What confuses me is EB says the challenge is limited only to people he trusts.

Isn't his money going into escrow and it's the challenger handing HIM $1000?

Why does the guy RECEIVING $1000 cash have the trust issues?

EDIT: It's a standard con man tactic whether EB is doing it consciously or not. The most obvious version being from the Sting when they convince the mark he can't be trusted and to put $1000 in a paper bag.

Are you putting the $1000 for this challenge in a paper bag, EB?
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September 29th, 2023 at 11:00:21 AM permalink
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What confuses me is EB says the challenge is limited only to people he trusts.

Isn't his money going into escrow and it's the challenger handing HIM $1000?

Why does the guy RECEIVING $1000 cash have the trust issues?
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He said that before he mentioned getting Mike involved as a third party.

If he can get Mike involved as an "escrow service," then presumably the issue of trust is resolved.
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September 29th, 2023 at 11:05:53 AM permalink
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What confuses me is EB says the challenge is limited only to people he trusts.

Isn't his money going into escrow and it's the challenger handing HIM $1000?

Why does the guy RECEIVING $1000 cash have the trust issues?
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He said that before he mentioned getting Mike involved as a third party.

If he can get Mike involved as an "escrow service," then presumably the issue of trust is resolved.
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Let's face it this whole thing stinks.

Why not have EB take his $1000 and turn it into $1500 and then hand the logs over? Making one person on WOV $500 isn't the point of the wager. It's the logs of his play. Either way if EB wins $500 he is considered giving his won money away so why the whole $1000 in escrow while I play with your cash scenario?

Guaranteed if this was not a 10 year member of this forum how many people here would be screaming con job right now and seriously considering handing a sight unseen guy on the internet $1000?
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September 29th, 2023 at 11:07:19 AM permalink
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What confuses me is EB says the challenge is limited only to people he trusts.

Isn't his money going into escrow and it's the challenger handing HIM $1000?

Why does the guy RECEIVING $1000 cash have the trust issues?
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What confuses me is what is the fascination with proving the absurdity of the absurd?

Expecting Logic in this thread? !
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September 29th, 2023 at 11:26:40 AM permalink
I would make a reply if I saw anything worth replying to. It's just the same old yada yada yada so why do I need to repeat myself with my own blah blah blah.. Things will work out how they work out.
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September 29th, 2023 at 11:38:42 AM permalink
Sorry this thread’s too long to keep up with. Is Mike involved yet? Should I send my escrow to him?
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September 29th, 2023 at 11:49:52 AM permalink
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I would make a reply if I saw anything worth replying to. It's just the same old yada yada yada so why do I need to repeat myself with my own blah blah blah.. Things will work out how they work out.
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Again that's the answer a con man would give.

Unable to explain why he needs someone else to handle over $1000 the retort is there is nothing to reply to.

It simply makes no sense why you can't just use your own money which you have and then hand over the logs
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September 29th, 2023 at 12:06:04 PM permalink
Come on, guys, this isn't rocket science. It's painfully obvious why EB wants someone else's money.

The logic is simply to get another party involved to further his claims. He can use his own money all he wants, and he will continue to get the responses and criticisms he's been getting on this forum for years. Adding a third party, ideally someone who is doubtful of the claims, brings in someone with real skin in the game.

To further the con man example, it's like the people involved early on in a Ponzi scheme. They actually make money, which "legitimizes" the scam, which gets new people involved, and so on and so on.

If EB uses someone else's money, he can say, "Look what I did, this proves I can make money at roulette, just ask _____ about all the money I made for him using my method. And if you don't believe him, Mike has all the logs of my play and he can verify everything is on the up and up."
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September 29th, 2023 at 12:14:43 PM permalink
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I would make a reply if I saw anything worth replying to. It's just the same old yada yada yada so why do I need to repeat myself with my own blah blah blah.. Things will work out how they work out.
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Again that's the answer a con man would give.

Unable to explain why he needs someone else to handle over $1000 the retort is there is nothing to reply to.

It simply makes no sense why you can't just use your own money which you have and then hand over the logs
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Ooops, Did you just compare EvenBob's post to that of a con man?

Pah. EvenBob is not trying to steal your money. Just our lives.... Post by mind bending post.
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September 29th, 2023 at 12:20:27 PM permalink
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September 29th, 2023 at 12:40:29 PM permalink
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LOL. Why do we do this? LOL.
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September 29th, 2023 at 12:54:12 PM permalink
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I keep asking asked in Private Messages to return to this thread. I hate to give it oxygen, but I also must call out ridiculous claims too.

Let me start by saying that my definitions are not etched in granite. If you don't agree with them, I'm not saying you're wrong.

I consider methods of bet and amount selection based on past results in games in independent trials to be betting systems, which I have said many times are all equally worthless.

Betting systems can also be used in games of dependent trials if the player is not using proven advantage play to exploit information provided in past trials, but instead basing bets on worthless information like that provided to the player by the casino. I believe that to be the case here, but am open to evidence to the contrary.

Any method that uses the word "trend" is probably a betting system.



"I also must call out ridiculous claims too."

I'm not seeing much of that here. Does Wizard even read any of this forum?
Is he aware of this latest 'challenge'? Anything to say?

Does this thread belong in the BS subforum?
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September 29th, 2023 at 1:02:47 PM permalink
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Does this thread belong in the BS subforum?
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Yeah, I mentioned that not too long ago. I'm surprised the mods haven't moved it yet.
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September 29th, 2023 at 1:11:18 PM permalink
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I would make a reply if I saw anything worth replying to. It's just the same old yada yada yada so why do I need to repeat myself with my own blah blah blah.. Things will work out how they work out.
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Really? Why is knowing approximately how long someone will have their money locked up in escrow, not a valid question?
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September 29th, 2023 at 1:21:28 PM permalink
FYI: That's why I originally volunteered, because I really didn't care how long the money was locked up in escrow for. I didn't think there would be anyone else's following this who would be willing to do that.

There's a chance that one could lose the entire 1k.

God forbid something could happen to Mike and your money is gone. I would be very sad and I wouldn't care about the money at that point. Someone else might care.

When Peridition pass away he had a large sum of our money we never recovered, along with some BTC me and him invested in back when it was like $400.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 29th, 2023 at 1:39:57 PM permalink
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FYI: That's why I originally volunteered, because I really didn't care how long the money was locked up in escrow for. I didn't think there would be anyone else's following this who would be willing to do that.

There's a chance that one could lose the entire 1k.

God forbid something could happen to Mike and your money is gone. I would be very sad and I wouldn't care about the money at that point. Someone else might care.

When Peridition pass away he had a large sum of our money we never recovered, along with some BTC me and him invested in back when it was like $400.
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Oh, man, this challenge is getting complicated... Now we gotta have Mike redo his will so the challenger gets their $1,000 back if he dies...lol
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September 29th, 2023 at 1:54:42 PM permalink
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FYI: That's why I originally volunteered, because I really didn't care how long the money was locked up in escrow for. I didn't think there would be anyone else's following this who would be willing to do that.

There's a chance that one could lose the entire 1k.

God forbid something could happen to Mike and your money is gone. I would be very sad and I wouldn't care about the money at that point. Someone else might care.

When Peridition pass away he had a large sum of our money we never recovered, along with some BTC me and him invested in back when it was like $400.
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Oh, man, this challenge is getting complicated... Now we gotta have Mike redo his will so the challenger gets their $1,000 back if he dies...lol
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No. We'd have a whip round at his funeral.

No challenge will happen. No evidence of anything will be forthcoming.
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September 29th, 2023 at 2:15:36 PM permalink
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FYI: That's why I originally volunteered, because I really didn't care how long the money was locked up in escrow for. I didn't think there would be anyone else's following this who would be willing to do that.

There's a chance that one could lose the entire 1k.

God forbid something could happen to Mike and your money is gone. I would be very sad and I wouldn't care about the money at that point. Someone else might care.

When Peridition pass away he had a large sum of our money we never recovered, along with some BTC me and him invested in back when it was like $400.
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Oh, man, this challenge is getting complicated... Now we gotta have Mike redo his will so the challenger gets their $1,000 back if he dies...lol
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No. We'd have a whip round at his funeral.

No challenge will happen. No evidence of anything will be forthcoming.
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What more evidence do you need?
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September 29th, 2023 at 2:26:53 PM permalink
I love how Bob doesn't really explain things, and then when someone tries to get clarification, he says something to the effect of "I've already explained it numerous times" (when he hasn't) or "I can't be bothered to repeat myself" (which I believe is the truth) with the most exasperated tone. How does he make his exasperation come through so well with his written word? It truly is a gift.

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Does this thread belong in the BS subforum?

I think most of us here know exactly where it should go!
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September 29th, 2023 at 2:40:21 PM permalink
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I love how Bob doesn't really explain things,
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Tell me what you want me to explain and I'll explain it.
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September 29th, 2023 at 2:50:32 PM permalink
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I love how Bob doesn't really explain things,
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Tell me what you want me to explain and I'll explain it.
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September 29th, 2023 at 2:53:36 PM permalink
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I love how Bob doesn't really explain things,
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Tell me what you want me to explain and I'll explain it.
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I really don't need an explanation of anything, I mostly follow this thread for amusement. I do not plan to take part in the challenge.

But since you asked, why do you need $1k from someone if you are going to escrow $1k of your own money with a 3rd party? Why not just use the your own $1k to complete the challenge?
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September 29th, 2023 at 3:13:25 PM permalink
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But since you asked, why do you need $1k from someone if you are going to escrow $1k of your own money with a 3rd party? Why not just use the your own $1k to complete the challenge?
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Because there's absolutely no risk involved if I do that and nobody would believe it anyway. If I came here and said I just made $500 and here's the casino logs to prove it everybody would go, haha Bob, sure you did. How many attempts did that take? 8 or 10 and you just threw out the ones where you lost? This way I'll be playing with somebody else's money and giving the profits to them. It's a totally different scenario.
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September 29th, 2023 at 3:15:12 PM permalink
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FYI: That's why I originally volunteered, because I really didn't care how long the money was locked up in escrow for. I didn't think there would be anyone else's following this who would be willing to do that.

There's a chance that one could lose the entire 1k.

God forbid something could happen to Mike and your money is gone. I would be very sad and I wouldn't care about the money at that point. Someone else might care.

When Peridition pass away he had a large sum of our money we never recovered, along with some BTC me and him invested in back when it was like $400.
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Oh, man, this challenge is getting complicated... Now we gotta have Mike redo his will so the challenger gets their $1,000 back if he dies...lol
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It could take 15 years.
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September 29th, 2023 at 3:32:56 PM permalink
Quote: Joeman

I love how Bob doesn't really explain things, and then when someone tries to get clarification, he says something to the effect of "I've already explained it numerous times" (when he hasn't) or "I can't be bothered to repeat myself" (which I believe is the truth) with the most exasperated tone. How does he make his exasperation come through so well with his written word? It truly is a gift.

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Bob, why is it that numerous people feel this way? There must be some merit to it especially when people who don't normally comment are pointing it out.

Always having problems with other people? This may be the reason why

https://aleteia.org/2018/10/12/always-having-problems-with-other-people-this-may-be-the-reason-why/

A few key points:

You’ve had problems with friends in almost every group you’ve interacted with throughout your life so far. But, of course, you’re convinced it’s because of them — not you.

You’re a very negative person. You’re one of those people who finds a problem for every solution, or who looks for the bad in the good – and the worst in the bad!

To you, they’re all hypocrites. You’re scandalized just thinking about how bad people are – everyone but you, of course.

You feel like you’re a victim of the whole world. You seek the parties who are guilty for your misfortune. Everyone has hurt you – you who are “such a good person!” Of course, once you’ve worn out people around you who have had to listen to complaint after complaint, you paint yourself as the victim again, because you haven’t realized that your attitude would even put to the test the legendary patience of long-suffering Job.
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September 29th, 2023 at 3:50:58 PM permalink
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But since you asked, why do you need $1k from someone if you are going to escrow $1k of your own money with a 3rd party?
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I wrote my answer to this in my last post and then I started thinking about it. If Mike wants to do this I'm going to send him $1,000 for the escrow and he's going to turn around and basically send that $1,000 back to me for me to bet with. So I'm basically doing this with my own money and then taking the $500 and giving it to Mike. The whole thing sounds pointless when I look at it that way. Because like I just said in my last post, it never occurred to me that I could try it 8 or 10 times and fail (that would never happen but I would be accused of it) and on the 11th time it would work and that would be the one that I would post. Holy crap, how come nobody else saw this and how come it took me so long to see it. It sounded like a good idea, LOL. The only way this would really work is if I did it in person right in front of somebody and that's not possible. It would take too long for them to hand me $1,000 and for me to turn it into $1,500 right in front of them. It would take multiple trips to the casino, I have no idea how many because I don't know what the wheel is going to be producing.

If I'm wrong about any of this I'm sure you'll let me know. Is there a way to make this work?
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September 29th, 2023 at 4:06:24 PM permalink
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But since you asked, why do you need $1k from someone if you are going to escrow $1k of your own money with a 3rd party? Why not just use the your own $1k to complete the challenge?
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Because there's absolutely no risk involved if I do that and nobody would believe it anyway. If I came here and said I just made $500 and here's the casino logs to prove it everybody would go, haha Bob, sure you did. How many attempts did that take? 8 or 10 and you just threw out the ones where you lost? This way I'll be playing with somebody else's money and giving the profits to them. It's a totally different scenario.
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But if the challenge fails, the challenger gets your $1k from escrow, no? Other than the loss of the utility of the money for however long the challenge lasts, it sounds like there is no risk either way.

I have to say that I am very skeptical of your claims, but whether it's you winning the money for yourself or for someone else will not make a difference in my skepticism. Providing verified proof of your results (I believe others have suggested how this can be accomplished) will.

ETA: I posted this before I saw the above thread.
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September 29th, 2023 at 4:50:28 PM permalink
Deleted because I posted it in the wrong thread
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September 29th, 2023 at 4:51:33 PM permalink
Bob has once again led you all around in a circle by the nose. This is his schtick this is his game he is a bitter
man exacting his revenge when will you learn.
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September 29th, 2023 at 5:13:37 PM permalink
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he is a bitter

But why, But who hurt him so much?

Oh yeah...

Those rotten bastards on Gamblers Glen. If only they had shown him some kindness, everything would've been different.

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September 29th, 2023 at 5:20:01 PM permalink
EvenBob,
It is now absolutely clear that I jumped to the wrong conclusion.
I am sorry for saying you were selling a system.
I did recognize that you might not be, which is why I didn't immediately issue a ban.

Best of luck in your upcoming challenge.
-D

Quote: Dieter

Quote: EvenBob

I've been thinking about putting all this to rest. I really don't have time to keep responding to the same drivel everyday. I'm thinking about running this by Mike and having somebody put up $1,000 and I'll turn it into $1,500 and provide a history of the betting at the online casino that did it. It has to be from somebody I trust, which means most of the people in this thread are out. Maybe Mike will do it, we'll see. It probably doesn't matter because you'll all say oh, Axel could do that in 5 minutes in roulette everyday.

How does that sound, would that make any difference at all or are your minds so stuck on burning the witch at the stake because your well went dry that you can't see reason.
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It sounds like you may be trying to sell a betting system, which is specifically prohibited. If this turns out to be the case, it will be dealt with later.


In the interim, what do you stand to lose from your proposed trial? If someone else is staking the venture, you're risking nothing?
A freeroll?
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In the quotes (obscured) above, it appeared to me that EvenBob was soliciting an investor to fund his play. I am always somewhere between skeptical and paranoid when someone is seeking an investor for what appears to be a fallible scheme - be it stocks, dice, cards, wheels, slots, or horses.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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September 29th, 2023 at 5:28:18 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

EvenBob,
It is now absolutely clear that I jumped to the wrong conclusion.
I am sorry for saying you were selling a system.
I did recognize that you might not be, which is why I didn't immediately issue a ban.

Best of luck in your upcoming challenge.
-D

Quote: Dieter

Quote: EvenBob

I've been thinking about putting all this to rest. I really don't have time to keep responding to the same drivel everyday. I'm thinking about running this by Mike and having somebody put up $1,000 and I'll turn it into $1,500 and provide a history of the betting at the online casino that did it. It has to be from somebody I trust, which means most of the people in this thread are out. Maybe Mike will do it, we'll see. It probably doesn't matter because you'll all say oh, Axel could do that in 5 minutes in roulette everyday.

How does that sound, would that make any difference at all or are your minds so stuck on burning the witch at the stake because your well went dry that you can't see reason.
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It sounds like you may be trying to sell a betting system, which is specifically prohibited. If this turns out to be the case, it will be dealt with later.


In the interim, what do you stand to lose from your proposed trial? If someone else is staking the venture, you're risking nothing?
A freeroll?
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In the quotes (obscured) above, it appeared to me that EvenBob was soliciting an investor to fund his play. I am always somewhere between skeptical and paranoid when someone is seeking an investor for what appears to be a fallible scheme - be it stocks, dice, cards, wheels, slots, or horses.

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You suspend me for using a word who's usage & meaning you didn't fully understand
and Bob gets love letters?.... ahh... never mind I'll stick with suspensions carry on
with the favoritism.
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September 29th, 2023 at 5:30:18 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

EvenBob,
It is now absolutely clear that I jumped to the wrong conclusion.
I am sorry for saying you were selling a system.
I did recognize that you might not be, which is why I didn't immediately issue a ban.

Best of luck in your upcoming challenge.
-D
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Thank you. There will be a challenge I just don't know what the details are at the moment. It's all kind of up in the air.
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September 29th, 2023 at 5:31:58 PM permalink
There will be no meaningful challenge completed. Bob started one but bailed midway. I wonder why?

Is there any forum member (stupid enough?) to believe there will be a meaningful challenge completed?

I’m keeping my posts shorter here….
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September 29th, 2023 at 5:37:46 PM permalink
Quote: rainman

Quote: Dieter

EvenBob,
It is now absolutely clear that I jumped to the wrong conclusion.
I am sorry for saying you were selling a system.
I did recognize that you might not be, which is why I didn't immediately issue a ban.

Best of luck in your upcoming challenge.
-D

Quote: Dieter

Quote: EvenBob

I've been thinking about putting all this to rest. I really don't have time to keep responding to the same drivel everyday. I'm thinking about running this by Mike and having somebody put up $1,000 and I'll turn it into $1,500 and provide a history of the betting at the online casino that did it. It has to be from somebody I trust, which means most of the people in this thread are out. Maybe Mike will do it, we'll see. It probably doesn't matter because you'll all say oh, Axel could do that in 5 minutes in roulette everyday.

How does that sound, would that make any difference at all or are your minds so stuck on burning the witch at the stake because your well went dry that you can't see reason.
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It sounds like you may be trying to sell a betting system, which is specifically prohibited. If this turns out to be the case, it will be dealt with later.


In the interim, what do you stand to lose from your proposed trial? If someone else is staking the venture, you're risking nothing?
A freeroll?
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In the quotes (obscured) above, it appeared to me that EvenBob was soliciting an investor to fund his play. I am always somewhere between skeptical and paranoid when someone is seeking an investor for what appears to be a fallible scheme - be it stocks, dice, cards, wheels, slots, or horses.

link to original post




You suspend me for using a word who's usage & meaning you didn't fully understand
and Bob gets love letters?.... ahh... never mind I'll stick with suspensions carry on.
link to original post



The long and short of it is I was conspicuously, publicly wrong to accuse EvenBob in this case, and felt a duty to be just as conspicuous and public in my retraction.

As far as I know, you did use ... that word.
Further chatter on this should go to DSL.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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September 29th, 2023 at 5:52:47 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Quote: rainman

Quote: Dieter

EvenBob,
It is now absolutely clear that I jumped to the wrong conclusion.
I am sorry for saying you were selling a system.
I did recognize that you might not be, which is why I didn't immediately issue a ban.

Best of luck in your upcoming challenge.
-D

Quote: Dieter

Quote: EvenBob

I've been thinking about putting all this to rest. I really don't have time to keep responding to the same drivel everyday. I'm thinking about running this by Mike and having somebody put up $1,000 and I'll turn it into $1,500 and provide a history of the betting at the online casino that did it. It has to be from somebody I trust, which means most of the people in this thread are out. Maybe Mike will do it, we'll see. It probably doesn't matter because you'll all say oh, Axel could do that in 5 minutes in roulette everyday.

How does that sound, would that make any difference at all or are your minds so stuck on burning the witch at the stake because your well went dry that you can't see reason.
link to original post



It sounds like you may be trying to sell a betting system, which is specifically prohibited. If this turns out to be the case, it will be dealt with later.


In the interim, what do you stand to lose from your proposed trial? If someone else is staking the venture, you're risking nothing?
A freeroll?
link to original post




In the quotes (obscured) above, it appeared to me that EvenBob was soliciting an investor to fund his play. I am always somewhere between skeptical and paranoid when someone is seeking an investor for what appears to be a fallible scheme - be it stocks, dice, cards, wheels, slots, or horses.

link to original post




You suspend me for using a word who's usage & meaning you didn't fully understand
and Bob gets love letters?.... ahh... never mind I'll stick with suspensions carry on.
link to original post



The long and short of it is I was conspicuously, publicly wrong to accuse EvenBob in this case, and felt a duty to be just as conspicuous and public in my retraction.

As far as I know, you did use ... that word.
Further chatter on this should go to DSL.
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Uh! maybe re read my post then your answer as many times as needed.
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September 29th, 2023 at 6:55:18 PM permalink
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But since you asked, why do you need $1k from someone if you are going to escrow $1k of your own money with a 3rd party?
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I wrote my answer to this in my last post and then I started thinking about it. If Mike wants to do this I'm going to send him $1,000 for the escrow and he's going to turn around and basically send that $1,000 back to me for me to bet with. So I'm basically doing this with my own money and then taking the $500 and giving it to Mike. The whole thing sounds pointless when I look at it that way. Because like I just said in my last post, it never occurred to me that I could try it 8 or 10 times and fail (that would never happen but I would be accused of it) and on the 11th time it would work and that would be the one that I would post. Holy crap, how come nobody else saw this and how come it took me so long to see it. It sounded like a good idea, LOL. The only way this would really work is if I did it in person right in front of somebody and that's not possible. It would take too long for them to hand me $1,000 and for me to turn it into $1,500 right in front of them. It would take multiple trips to the casino, I have no idea how many because I don't know what the wheel is going to be producing.

If I'm wrong about any of this I'm sure you'll let me know. Is there a way to make this work?
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Lol, I only posted this escrow thing made no sense a few hours ago but EB has convinced himself he thought of it first.

So that challenge is now officially canceled?
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September 29th, 2023 at 6:56:07 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

From Vanity Fair 2 hours ago.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Apparently Unconcerned About the Prospect of Helping Reelect Trump, Plans to Run as an Independent

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/robert-f-kennedy-jr-possible-independent-run

Vanity Fair is an extremely left-leaning magazine. The group Media Bias rates Vanity Fair as:

"Overall, we rate Vanity Fair Left Biased based on editorial positions that always favor the left "

If Vanity Fair feels that RFK Jr is going to hurt Biden, I would listen.
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How is this not a suspendable political post?

EDIT: EB trying to get suspended on purpose so he doesn't have to talk about his cancelation of this latest challenge?
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September 29th, 2023 at 7:17:36 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Quote: Dieter

EvenBob,
It is now absolutely clear that I jumped to the wrong conclusion.
I am sorry for saying you were selling a system.
I did recognize that you might not be, which is why I didn't immediately issue a ban.

Best of luck in your upcoming challenge.
-D
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Thank you. There will be a challenge I just don't know what the details are at the moment. It's all kind of up in the air.
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when it comes to challenges either offering or accepting, or if you're trying to prove something the details are everything.

Not only that, it would behoove you to fully understand what would be considered reasonable proof. I.E. a standard deviation that's way above or below normal. From what I've gathered(evidence in many of your posts), it's of my opinion that you have little or no concept of such things. I have seen you post certain things regarding someone's math or what someone has said and you take it to the extreme and that's that. I.E. you need multi-millions of trials to be in the long-run.

Fun fact: Did you know that prior to 2012 NGC only required 100,000 trials for testing machines with a 95% confidence level?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 29th, 2023 at 7:19:57 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: EvenBob

From Vanity Fair 2 hours ago.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Apparently Unconcerned About the Prospect of Helping Reelect Trump, Plans to Run as an Independent

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/robert-f-kennedy-jr-possible-independent-run

Vanity Fair is an extremely left-leaning magazine. The group Media Bias rates Vanity Fair as:

"Overall, we rate Vanity Fair Left Biased based on editorial positions that always favor the left "

If Vanity Fair feels that RFK Jr is going to hurt Biden, I would listen.
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How is this not a suspendable political post?

EDIT: EB trying to get suspended on purpose so he doesn't have to talk about his cancelation of this latest challenge?
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I was wondering that myself, but then I thought perhaps he just accidentally posted in the wrong thread.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 29th, 2023 at 7:24:38 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: darkoz

Quote: EvenBob

From Vanity Fair 2 hours ago.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Apparently Unconcerned About the Prospect of Helping Reelect Trump, Plans to Run as an Independent

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/robert-f-kennedy-jr-possible-independent-run

Vanity Fair is an extremely left-leaning magazine. The group Media Bias rates Vanity Fair as:

"Overall, we rate Vanity Fair Left Biased based on editorial positions that always favor the left "

If Vanity Fair feels that RFK Jr is going to hurt Biden, I would listen.
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How is this not a suspendable political post?

EDIT: EB trying to get suspended on purpose so he doesn't have to talk about his cancelation of this latest challenge?
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I was wondering that myself, but then I thought perhaps he just accidentally posted in the wrong thread.
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I also thought wrong thread but how does that post have anything to do with election odds. It's literally ragging on the left and Vanity Fair being biased. Nothing mentioned about odds in the upcoming election
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September 29th, 2023 at 7:52:50 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: EvenBob

From Vanity Fair 2 hours ago.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Apparently Unconcerned About the Prospect of Helping Reelect Trump, Plans to Run as an Independent

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/robert-f-kennedy-jr-possible-independent-run

Vanity Fair is an extremely left-leaning magazine. The group Media Bias rates Vanity Fair as:

"Overall, we rate Vanity Fair Left Biased based on editorial positions that always favor the left "

If Vanity Fair feels that RFK Jr is going to hurt Biden, I would listen.
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How is this not a suspendable political post?

EDIT: EB trying to get suspended on purpose so he doesn't have to talk about his cancelation of this latest challenge?
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I posted that here by mistake it was supposed to go in the presidential election thread
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September 29th, 2023 at 8:02:48 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: darkoz

Quote: EvenBob

From Vanity Fair 2 hours ago.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Apparently Unconcerned About the Prospect of Helping Reelect Trump, Plans to Run as an Independent

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/robert-f-kennedy-jr-possible-independent-run

Vanity Fair is an extremely left-leaning magazine. The group Media Bias rates Vanity Fair as:

"Overall, we rate Vanity Fair Left Biased based on editorial positions that always favor the left "

If Vanity Fair feels that RFK Jr is going to hurt Biden, I would listen.
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How is this not a suspendable political post?

EDIT: EB trying to get suspended on purpose so he doesn't have to talk about his cancelation of this latest challenge?
link to original post

I was wondering that myself, but then I thought perhaps he just accidentally posted in the wrong thread.
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I also thought wrong thread but how does that post have anything to do with election odds. It's literally ragging on the left and Vanity Fair being biased. Nothing mentioned about odds in the upcoming election
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of course not, there was no way that thread could ever exist without someone breaking the rules.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 30th, 2023 at 1:42:17 AM permalink
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There will be no meaningful challenge completed. Bob started one but bailed midway. I wonder why?

Is there any forum member (stupid enough?) to believe there will be a meaningful challenge completed?

I’m keeping my posts shorter here….
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Of course there won't.
Even the prospect of proving he can win $500 would bear zero relationship with his Educated Guessing Mumbo Jumbo. All just a diversion and distraction. EvenBob's super powers.

EvenBob has demonstrated that he has no shared concept of the meaning of 'proof'.

Many of us are again trying to analyse EB's motivation and state of mind, rather than the BS he posts about. We must be pretty slow on the uptake.
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September 30th, 2023 at 2:15:34 AM permalink
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Bob started one but bailed midway.


I suspect Bob would say, "Listen Mr. Smatest person in the room, you obviously know nothing. It wasn't even close to Midway"
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September 30th, 2023 at 6:56:28 AM permalink
Why was that challenge never resumed? Didn't bob insist ist was only suspended? If EB keeps backing out of challenges, he might lose some of his credibility.
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September 30th, 2023 at 7:15:44 AM permalink
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Why was that challenge never resumed? Didn't bob insist ist was only suspended? If EB keeps backing out of challenges, he might lose some of his credibility.
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Ya think?

Let's see, I am reading almost ZERO credibility from the rank and file opposing posters. So where is the mystery?

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