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February 28th, 2019 at 5:35:15 PM permalink
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The hush money payment might be the single most consequential campaign donation in the history of our country, and it was illegal.


Wow, I am impressed. You have a better understanding of campaign finance laws than a former Federal Election Commission (FEC) chairman

Former FEC Chairman: Trump Lawyer’s Hush Money Is Not a Campaign Contribution
https://www.theepochtimes.com/former-fec-chairman-trump-lawyers-hush-money-is-not-a-campaign-contribution_2492089.html

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Payments used to silence people who have potentially damaging information on a political candidate cannot be classified as a campaign contribution, according to the former chairman of the Federal Election Commission (FEC), Bradley Smith.

“Not everything that might benefit a candidate is a campaign expense,” Smith wrote in an editorial for the Wall Street Journal.

new motto for the left: “I don't know if I received bad information, but I think I suspected there was more than there actually was,” (John Brennan Mar 25, 2019)
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February 28th, 2019 at 6:00:11 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

The real Michael Cohen was being totally honest yesterday before the House committee.



2016 video shows Michael Cohen lied to Congress about not wanting a Trump administration job

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2016-video-suggests-michael-cohen-lied-about-not-wanting-a-job-with-the-trump-administration?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

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A November 2016 video of Michael Cohen indicates he lied under oath when he told lawmakers Wednesday that he didn't want a job in the Trump administration.

At a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing, Cohen said, "I did not want to go to the White House. I was offered jobs."

But he made clear in 2016 he wanted a Trump administration job. When told by CNN anchor Chris Cuomo that Trump would undoubtedly ask him to go Washington, D.C. with him, he responded: "I certainly hope so." When asked if he go, he responded: "One hundred percent."



Will the real Michael Cohen please stand up
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February 28th, 2019 at 6:06:19 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

yawn
If you are selling a book, you stretch the truth and maybe lie. Cmon Flea, you don't know that?
The real Michael Cohen was being totally honest yesterday before the House committee.



Ed, how can you possibly know when he is telling the truth or lying? If you feel he would lie to sell a book, you don't think he would lie to get a better sentence? Really?
My brain hurts....
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February 28th, 2019 at 6:25:53 PM permalink
Quote: Fleaswatter

2016 video shows Michael Cohen lied to Congress about not wanting a Trump administration job



He lied in 2016
I really don't care
What I find shocking is Trump believing Kim lies
Do you, Fleaswatter believe the Kim lies like that stupid buffoon Trump
Trump totally wimped out. Its disgusting. Have some balls in front of that punk Kim
You should be demanding that Trump step down and Pence take the reins
No way Pence believes any of Kim's BS lies
Why the conservative silence on Warmbier
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February 28th, 2019 at 6:32:47 PM permalink
Kind of fun to watch the righties try to smear Michael Cohen as a liar.

Well, NO SH## SHERLOCK!

His testimony is not going to do anything by itself. But it helps to open up new avenues of investigation that the HOC can look into.

Don Jr., Ivanka, David Pecker, that Alan W. guy: come on down, we’ve got some questions for ya!!!
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February 28th, 2019 at 6:34:13 PM permalink
Lets see, Michael Cohen said....
Donald Trump is a Con Man. - OK, I think we all knew this for many years now. Next...
Donald Trump is a liar. - OK, so are all politicians. Next...
Donald Trump is a cheat. - OK, so are all politicians. Next...
Donald Trump is a racist. - OK, Most humans have some racism in their blood. Next...

Democrats scripted ploys continues to dig their own graves deeper. Oh yea, please let Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez keep speaking. She is helping the party immensely! Nice video on her from her college days though.. thumbs up!
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February 28th, 2019 at 6:36:34 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

He lied in 2016



What is accurate is: He lied in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019


Quote: ams288

Kind of fun to watch the righties try to smear Michael Cohen as a liar.


Kind of fun to watch the lefties believe everything Michael Cohen said to congress the past couple of days.
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February 28th, 2019 at 6:36:51 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Kind of fun to watch the righties try to smear Michael Cohen as a liar.



This IS fun, you're right.

JORDAN, MEADOWS REFER COHEN TO AG BARR FOR ALLEGED PERJURY AT OVERSIGHT HEARING

“Mr. Cohen’s testimony before the Committee on Oversight and Reform on February 27, 2019, was a spectacular and brazen attempt to knowingly and willfully testify falsely and fictitiously to numerous material facts,” the letter to Barr from Jordan and Meadows states. "His testimony included intentionally false statements designed to make himself look better on a national stage. Mr. Cohen’s prior conviction for lying to Congress merits a heightened suspicion that he has yet again testified falsely before Congress,” the letter concludes.

They just might tack a few more
years onto the serial liars sentence.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/28/jordan-meadows-letter-barr-cohen-perjury/
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February 28th, 2019 at 6:40:30 PM permalink
Quote: Fleaswatter

Kind of fun to watch the lefties believe everything Michael Cohen said to congress the past couple of days.



The only lie you’ve pointed to was about him “wanting to work in the WH.”

Who gives a flying frack whether he wanted to or not?

Pretty sure the SDNY isn’t investigating whether or not Michael Cohen wanted a job in the WH. But we can be sure they ARE investigating other crimes committed by Donald that he described yesterday.
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February 28th, 2019 at 6:46:12 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Ed, how can you possibly know when he is telling the truth or lying?...……... My brain hurts....



I watched him and he came across as honest to me
I am just being honest
I honestly don't know why your brain hurts.
Just to be real real honest, you just get that pain checked out. honestly :-)
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February 28th, 2019 at 6:47:17 PM permalink
I'd be curious to know who lies more to his people

Donald Trump
Kim Jong Un
Vladimir Putin
Xi Jinping
Ali Khamenei

I think Donald probably wins this one.
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February 28th, 2019 at 6:48:25 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

The only lie you’ve pointed to was about him “wanting to work in the WH.”

Who gives a flying frack whether he wanted to or not?

Pretty sure the SDNY isn’t investigating whether or not Michael Cohen wanted a job in the WH. But we can be sure they ARE investigating other crimes committed by Donald that he described yesterday.




Its all meaningless
I want a job at the WH
but
If Trump or his People call, I would say no
Uh oh, did I just lie, nope
No way would I work for that administration
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February 28th, 2019 at 8:38:38 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Its all meaningless
I want a job at the WH
but
If Trump or his People call, I would say no
Uh oh, did I just lie, nope
No way would I work for that administration

I'd work there for the food and some hot babes. Working there isn't a career unless your the janitor.
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March 1st, 2019 at 3:15:57 AM permalink
Los Angeles did not reach 70 degrees in February for first time in at least 132 years: report

Thought the planet was warming, had a "fever?"
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March 1st, 2019 at 3:57:31 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Los Angeles did not reach 70 degrees in February for first time in at least 132 years: report

Thought the planet was warming, had a "fever?"


I’d explain the difference between weather and climate for the 10th time, but you’d just continue to ignore it and keep your head in the sand.

These posts really highlight why people say your posts are a comedy routine when you say you “understand the science”.
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March 1st, 2019 at 3:57:35 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob


Why do people think Trump spent
12 hours on a plane, and Kim 3 days
on a train, if the deal wasn't already
done. The paperwork for this isn't
written on the back of a napkin, it
took months to draw up and write.

Because he really is that stupid and it probably was only on a Maccy D napkin. Yes, of course in the normal course of events, the signing is the finale after all the hard negotiating is done behind closed doors.
Do you suggest that trumpy hasn't torn up the 'normal' way of doing things.

As the failure of the signing process shows, there could not possibly have been a suitable deal ready for signing. trumpy winged it and even he is not saying that it went bad because some other country persuaded kim to change the deal.

Absurd that trumpy and kim cannot agree on what NK had asked for. Someone's lying to lay off the blame. Thinks... who'd do a thing like lie?
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March 1st, 2019 at 8:01:49 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Because he really is that stupid and it probably was only on a Maccy D napkin. Yes, of course in the normal course of events, the signing is the finale after all the hard negotiating is done behind closed doors.



Maccy D? Is that what Brits say? I've always heard Mickey D's around here.
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March 1st, 2019 at 8:38:51 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Quote: AZDuffman

Los Angeles did not reach 70 degrees in February for first time in at least 132 years: report

Thought the planet was warming, had a "fever?"


I’d explain the difference between weather and climate for the 10th time, but you’d just continue to ignore it and keep your head in the sand.

These posts really highlight why people say your posts are a comedy routine when you say you “understand the science”.



Interestingly enough, I know of several people that are far better trained in the sciences than anyone here (unless someone has multiple degrees in these sciences) that are skeptical of the way the climate change issue is presented. It isn't that they say that there is no impact from our existence, just that they don't see some of the more outlandish claims made coming true in timeframes mentioned. They obviously understand the science and aren't saying that there is "no impact" and support well-measured responses to the issue. Those same people would be lumped in as "deniers" by many because everyone who is not in lockstep with a certain view just has to be the enemy these days...
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March 1st, 2019 at 9:11:16 AM permalink
Otto Warmbier’s Parents: Kim Jong Un Is Responsible For Death Of Our Son
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/otto-warmbier-parents-kim-jong-un-trump_n_5c794fe0e4b033abd14b2256

I am just shocked that Trump will take Kim's side in this matter
Trump is a p**sy. No back bone. No balls
Otto Warmbier was accused of taking a poster
WTF. This all over some poster
Locked up abroad is about serious crime drug smugglers that eventually get released and rejoin their families
Kim was ok with torture that pretty much put Otto in a coma close to death
Its sick and disgusting that Trump defends this punk Kim
Here is the reality. Kim was showing the United States he could arrest and kill a US citizen and there is nothing the US can do
Otto was just a pawn, but a pawn that was sacrificed
Disgusting Trump gives a pass to Kim on essentially executing a US citizen all over some dumb poster.
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March 1st, 2019 at 9:24:17 AM permalink
AOC is keeping a list...
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March 1st, 2019 at 9:37:21 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Quote: AZDuffman

Los Angeles did not reach 70 degrees in February for first time in at least 132 years: report

Thought the planet was warming, had a "fever?"


I’d explain the difference between weather and climate for the 10th time, but you’d just continue to ignore it and keep your head in the sand.

These posts really highlight why people say your posts are a comedy routine when you say you “understand the science”.



I understand the difference. When is supports GW it is "climate." When it disproves it then it is "weather."
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March 1st, 2019 at 9:46:19 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob


Why do people think Trump spent
12 hours on a plane, and Kim 3 days
on a train, if the deal wasn't already
done. The paperwork for this isn't
written on the back of a napkin, it
took months to draw up and write.



The reporting is that the deal WASN'T done. In fact, pre-meeting negotiations failed to reach any agreement, and Pompeo walked away/they walked away from him and the State Dept.

Trump wanted to negotiate in person, using his "skills" and "personal relationship" to sell the deal personally. He failed to make the deal in any way the US could accept.

This is no surprise to anyone with State Dept experience. Trump has stripped the diplomatic and staff ranks below "to the bone", preferring to make his own decisions and going with his gut. He has upended virtually every treaty and foreign commitment the US has made for the entire time he's been in office, and replaced them with exactly....nothing.
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March 1st, 2019 at 10:20:45 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

As the failure of the signing process shows, there could not possibly have been a suitable deal ready for signing.



Good grief. Of course there was, there
always is when countries meet for
deals like this. Kim and Trump, or
any world leader are figureheads,
they're politicians. They have no skill
at drawing up the details of an
agreement of this magnitude. Why
would they.

It's done behind the scenes by people
who do this for a living. It's then approved
by both sides and they meet to sign it.
Kim sent word that he wanted to change
the deal, Trump said hell no and left.

It's comical that people think two men who
don't even speak the same language, would
meet and hammer out a deal as complicated
as this. Or any deal. That's not where their
skills lie. Most don't even write their own
speeches, their skills are in a totally different
place.
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March 1st, 2019 at 10:22:20 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

The reporting is .



Not what I heard. All the major
agreements had been made and
Kim changed the big one.
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March 1st, 2019 at 10:28:19 AM permalink
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I understand the difference. When is supports GW it is "climate." When it disproves it then it is "weather."



I remember 20 years ago when Algore
used to say extreme cold was a sure
sign of GW. You just have to shake
your head at the lunacy of it all.

I've lived in this area for almost 70
years and the weather hasn't
changed. This is how most people
judge things, by their personal
experience of it. Right now it's 14
degrees below normal outside, good
enough proof to me that GW is a
joke.
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March 1st, 2019 at 10:42:03 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I've lived in this area for almost 70
years and the weather hasn't
changed. This is how most people
judge things, by their personal
experience of it. Right now it's 14
degrees below normal outside, good
enough proof to me that GW is a
joke.



No one really cares about whether or not you think GW is a joke. Your opinion is totally meaningless. As is mine.

The only people who's opinions really matter on this issue are the experts/scientists, and they all seem to disagree with you. Except the ones being paid by special interests.
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March 1st, 2019 at 10:51:40 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

No one really cares about whether or not you think GW is a joke.



But we're the ones who vote, and
the weather being the same makes
us vote against the hysteria of GW.

Science has no idea what's going
on if you look at both sides of it.
There has been so much major
tampering with the data.
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March 1st, 2019 at 10:58:09 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Science has no idea what's going
on if you look at both sides of it.



There isn't a "both sides" to it, if we are just paying attention to the scientists. There's one side, and then a couple crazies in the corner shouting nonsense for attention.
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March 1st, 2019 at 11:00:57 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

There isn't a "both sides" to it,



For the believers, that's very true.
For the skeptics who are capable
of seeing both sides, it paints a
different picture.
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March 1st, 2019 at 11:44:26 AM permalink
People who believe in this global warming conspiracy theory remind me of those who also believe we never landed on the moon, Titanic was abducted by aliens, or some other crazy nonsense. Coming up with a conclusion that supports some crazy idea is pretty easy when you can cherry pick stats. That’s Statistics 101. I don’t blame anyone for falling for the GW conspiracy, though.


Quote: terapined

Otto Warmbier’s Parents: Kim Jong Un Is Responsible For Death Of Our Son
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/otto-warmbier-parents-kim-jong-un-trump_n_5c794fe0e4b033abd14b2256

I am just shocked that Trump will take Kim's side in this matter
Trump is a p**sy. No back bone. No balls
Otto Warmbier was accused of taking a poster
WTF. This all over some poster
Locked up abroad is about serious crime drug smugglers that eventually get released and rejoin their families
Kim was ok with torture that pretty much put Otto in a coma close to death
Its sick and disgusting that Trump defends this punk Kim
Here is the reality. Kim was showing the United States he could arrest and kill a US citizen and there is nothing the US can do
Otto was just a pawn, but a pawn that was sacrificed
Disgusting Trump gives a pass to Kim on essentially executing a US citizen all over some dumb poster.
Conservatives thought they were voting for an alpha male, they got a total wimp instead


Quote: terapined

He lied in 2016
I really don't care
What I find shocking is Trump believing Kim lies
Do you, Fleaswatter believe the Kim lies like that stupid buffoon Trump
Trump totally wimped out. Its disgusting. Have some balls in front of that punk Kim
You should be demanding that Trump step down and Pence take the reins
No way Pence believes any of Kim's BS lies
Why the conservative silence on Warmbier


Emphasis mine.

I would appreciate it if you’d stop using
misogynistic terms and phrases.
Lmfao :) yawn
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March 1st, 2019 at 11:49:34 AM permalink
Quote: RS

People who believe in this global warming conspiracy theory remind me of those who also believe we never landed on the moon, Titanic was abducted by aliens, or some other crazy nonsense. Coming up with a conclusion that supports some crazy idea is pretty easy when you can cherry pick stats. That’s Statistics 101. I don’t blame anyone for falling for the GW conspiracy, though.


Quote: terapined

Otto Warmbier’s Parents: Kim Jong Un Is Responsible For Death Of Our Son
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/otto-warmbier-parents-kim-jong-un-trump_n_5c794fe0e4b033abd14b2256

I am just shocked that Trump will take Kim's side in this matter
Trump is a p**sy. No back bone. No balls
Otto Warmbier was accused of taking a poster
WTF. This all over some poster
Locked up abroad is about serious crime drug smugglers that eventually get released and rejoin their families
Kim was ok with torture that pretty much put Otto in a coma close to death
Its sick and disgusting that Trump defends this punk Kim
Here is the reality. Kim was showing the United States he could arrest and kill a US citizen and there is nothing the US can do
Otto was just a pawn, but a pawn that was sacrificed
Disgusting Trump gives a pass to Kim on essentially executing a US citizen all over some dumb poster.
Conservatives thought they were voting for an alpha male, they got a total wimp instead


Quote: terapined

He lied in 2016
I really don't care
What I find shocking is Trump believing Kim lies
Do you, Fleaswatter believe the Kim lies like that stupid buffoon Trump
Trump totally wimped out. Its disgusting. Have some balls in front of that punk Kim
You should be demanding that Trump step down and Pence take the reins
No way Pence believes any of Kim's BS lies
Why the conservative silence on Warmbier


Emphasis mine.

I would appreciate it if you’d stop using
misogynistic terms and phrases.
Lmfao :) yawn



What can I say, its somewhat salty language I learned growing up on the streets of Baltimore
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March 1st, 2019 at 12:02:12 PM permalink
Quote: RS

People who believe in this global warming conspiracy theory remind me of those who also believe we never landed on the moon



https://climate.nasa.gov/

Irony.
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March 1st, 2019 at 12:06:07 PM permalink
Does climate constantly change? How old is the Earth? How long has man been collecting accurate data on the climate? Can you really draw a conclusion from a .000000002% sample size?
There is scientific evidence that Earth has been much warmer in the past. Should we ignore that science?
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March 1st, 2019 at 12:30:31 PM permalink
Quote: RS

People who believe in this global warming conspiracy theory remind me of those who also believe we never landed on the moon, Titanic was abducted by aliens, or some other crazy nonsense.



You should add “people who think the wall is already being built” to that list of crazy nonsense.
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March 1st, 2019 at 1:38:40 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

You should add “people who think the wall is already being built” to that list of crazy nonsense.





"The good news for those who wish to see a wall built along the U.S.–Mexican border is that U.S. Customs and Border Protection has built seven miles of 30-foot-high wall in the past few months, and roughly 30 more miles of high fencing are slated for construction." Ap 2018

"Construction is scheduled to start in February on a project that will bring 14 miles of new border wall to the Rio Grande Valley." Nov 2018

There is far more I could site, but
why bother.
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March 1st, 2019 at 2:25:08 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

I am just shocked that Trump will take Kim's side in this matter


I'm not.

I understand that through the process of negotiation you want to try to build some kind of a bridge, but if that bridge requires abandoning your values, it's a bridge too far. The same people that call Donald Trump a patriot today would be calling Barack Obama a traitor if he had done the same thing.

Putin? "I take him at his word"

Crown Prince? "I take him at his word"

Kim? "I take him at his word"

What a disgraceful human being this man is. And it needs to be said, you ought to be ashamed of yourself if you continue to support this man as leader of the free world and a role model for our children. It's a f**king disgrace.
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March 1st, 2019 at 3:44:26 PM permalink
My question to those in denial of climate change or the role of people in climate change is this, what's the harm in acting as if it's happening even if it isn't as pronounced as some say it is? Oh no, we're getting significantly more of our energy from solar, wind and hydroelectric sources, darn that's a shame that we wasted money on renewable energy that will persist for many, many years. We're producing fewer greenhouse gases, less smog and fewer holes in the ozone layer. If nothing else, I think people should view environmental protections as an insurance policy for humanity.
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March 1st, 2019 at 4:05:01 PM permalink
Quote: Minty

My question to those in denial of climate change or the role of people in climate change is this, what's the harm in acting as if it's happening even if it isn't as pronounced as some say it is? Oh no, we're getting significantly more of our energy from solar, wind and hydroelectric sources, darn that's a shame that we wasted money on renewable energy that will persist for many, many years. We're producing fewer greenhouse gases, less smog and fewer holes in the ozone layer. If nothing else, I think people should view environmental protections as an insurance policy for humanity.



What’s wrong is we have our money and freedom taken away for a scam. The GW believes listen to the GW barkers like some people follow televangelists. They just want to believe in something. Read up and you will learn that solar and wind have their own problems.

Follow the money!
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March 1st, 2019 at 4:51:15 PM permalink
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Follow the money!


Heard dat.

I can think of a ton of high level politicians, cabinet members, ex Vice Presidents... who would be PISSED if we reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

Follow the money.
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March 1st, 2019 at 5:02:01 PM permalink
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The GW believes listen to the GW barkers like some people follow televangelists.



It's very interesting you mention televangelists. Okay. So you don't believe there's any evidence to suggest GW is real. Fine. If that's your belief, then by default, there's as much evidence suggesting God is real. But yet, the same people that deny GW are the same people that believe in God. This is interesting. It reminds me of this:



Let's start at 2:41 of the video. The man asks Bill, "what if we're right and you are wrong?" It's a fair question, right? I guess we're to believe that Atheists are going to hell if they're wrong (although Pope Francis gave us a little hope recently, lmao) and Christians get a spot in heaven. (By the way, speaking of following the money, what kind of tax breaks does organized religion get? Another conversation for another time? lol)

The same can be said for GW. What if we're right and you're wrong? We only have one planet. Why risk it? The science is in fact suggesting that it's happening. Let's take, as Minty pointed out above, let's take an insurance policy out just in case. My kids and grandkids and their grandkids want a planet to live on too.

Climate change deniers are selfish.
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March 1st, 2019 at 5:08:10 PM permalink
As far as green energy, regardless of climate change, green energy is THE only alternative that may give people independence complete or even partial from a corporate and government entiies.

Freedom.

A nuclear plant won't offer that. Neither will coal. Green can offer security from destruction of centralize power sources whether from disaster or attack. Nuclear plants can all be damaged with long term consequences, and lack of any near time replacement.

Consider how fast you might be able get Puerta Rico up and running with more localized power sources. Perhaps in some cases, replacing solar grids or other newly developed energy devices.

YOU want to really be controlled just keep following petroleum and coal interests.

If you're only interested in being subservient to energy control keep resisting green development.
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March 1st, 2019 at 5:13:09 PM permalink
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The same can be said for GW. What if we're right and you're wrong?



So what. You can't stop the big polluters
like China, Mexico, India, Russia. Why
even bother trying. What's the point
of strangling our economy with silly
Greenie measures that are the equivilent
of the proverbial drops in a bucket.

It's not man made anyway, not enough
to matter. Calm down and relax, it will
be OK, I promise. The sky never fell
on Chicken Little's head either, that
was a also a hoax.
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March 1st, 2019 at 5:20:11 PM permalink
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Does climate constantly change? How old is the Earth? How long has man been collecting accurate data on the climate? Can you really draw a conclusion from a .000000002% sample size?
There is scientific evidence that Earth has been much warmer in the past. Should we ignore that science?


Sea levels are rising and polar ice caps are getting smaller. I’m not sure that is arguable. It’s a measurable, observable phenomenon. If you can find a source that provides a strong argument otherwise I am all ears.

What I supposed is debatable is whether or not humans are responsible.

So assume humans have nothing to do with this, natural cycle of the earth, whatever. What is the worst case scenario in reducing dependence on oil? We improve our infrastructure with the next generation of cheaper renewable energy sources? We get our di*cks out of the sand in the Middle East? What exactly are you afraid of? China already sees this and is quietly investing bigly in solar, meanwhile we fall behind them in yet another key area due to stupid politics and science denial.

On the other hand, assume humans are affecting the climate, and we refuse to take action when we can. What is the worst case scenario there? It’s a hell of a lot worse.
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March 1st, 2019 at 5:33:18 PM permalink
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polar ice caps are getting smaller.



"Overall, sea ice extent during January 2019 increased by 614,000 square miles. This was 104,000 square miles above the 1981 to 2010 average rate for the month." Artic Sea Ice News and Analysis, National Snow and Ice Data Center
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March 1st, 2019 at 5:47:12 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

What’s wrong is we have our money and freedom taken away for a scam. The GW believes listen to the GW barkers like some people follow televangelists. They just want to believe in something. Read up and you will learn that solar and wind have their own problems.

Follow the money!



I sincerely wish the GW side would take notice of this post. I'm way more "plant a tree" than "drill, baby, drill" but even I am turned off by the whole message and many of their actions. You can't STEAL MUH TAX DOLLERS to fund your EV vehicles and windmills under the guise of some benefit that just isn't there. And you gotta stop marketing as "100% clean" when there is a definite large cost in manufacturing and maintenance. I'm down with solar, wind, thermal, tidal. How bleeding awesome will it be when a phone lasts a month on a charge, or an 18V screw gun lasts for a whole deck? And let's face it, energy is national security. Imagine the boon no energy bills would do for your personal finance; now raise to a national scale. Every bit of the pursuit of renewable, low cost, clean energy is noble and necessary. Just stop with the posturing and smoke blowing.

On the other hand, I'm at a complete loss when trying to relate to deniers. The resistance to being hoodwinked, yes, I get that completely. But it's almost as if you deny science itself. Do you not camp? Anyone knows that when it's thunderstormy it's a one layer night, whereas if you spend the evening stargazing you better bundle up. The more stuff in the air, the more we're insulated, just like every other example and analogy there is. You can't deny that. And surely you must understand we put a ton of stuff into the air. That is likewise undeniable. It seems like y'all've clung to the last bastion, this idea that climate flux is uncontrollable and involves too many factors to both 1) accurately predict and 2) do anything about. And that I do understand. But... ain't your reaction a little fatalistic, even unrealistic? I mean, we can't stop all storms, and we can't stop the damage they do. But don't we pass legislation to protect reefs and mangrove forests and wetlands to ensure that the damage, however unpreventable, is at least lessened? Doncha bag for floods despite damage you'll receive anyways, or board windows despite the hurricane / tornader messing up a bunch of s#$% anyway? Your resistance doesn't make sense, to the point it seems manufactured.

Seems the best thing well meaning people can do is lead by example and convert through action. And if that's the wrong answer and all goes to hell, at least we'll be rid of Fla and NYC.
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March 1st, 2019 at 6:07:03 PM permalink
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"Overall, sea ice extent during January 2019 increased by 614,000 square miles. This was 104,000 square miles above the 1981 to 2010 average rate for the month." Artic Sea Ice News and Analysis, National Snow and Ice Data Center


Seasonally, In very particular areas. Overall decrease in polar ice is yuge. Sea levels are rising. We can argue about the cause until we are blue in the face but those are facts.
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March 1st, 2019 at 7:19:48 PM permalink
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.....China already sees this and is quietly investing bigly in solar, meanwhile we fall behind them in yet another key area due to stupid politics and science denial....

China is subsidizing their solar farms, just as we are. And when the subsidies quit flowing, no one wants to buy solar. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jillbaker/2018/06/18/solar-leader-china-is-slashing-its-subsidies-on-solar-power-what-you-need-to-know/#5bf25e752f9a

You should look at the destruction to the planet caused by mining for rare earths for these generating monstrosity's or read how solar and wind had to get presidential exclusions because of the huge amount of raptors and desert animals they kill. Solar starts degrading the minute it starts working.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180920102107.htm

faux green energy.
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March 1st, 2019 at 7:29:53 PM permalink
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What’s wrong is we have our money and freedom taken away for a scam. The GW believes listen to the GW barkers like some people follow televangelists. They just want to believe in something. Read up and you will learn that solar and wind have their own problems.

Follow the money!



What problems? As the one making the claim, it's on you to provide the evidence.
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March 1st, 2019 at 7:59:50 PM permalink
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On the other hand, I'm at a complete loss when trying to relate to deniers.



"A growing contingent of scientists and economists call into question the climate change dogma, saying that the temperature data show no clear recent warming and noting that the benefits of global warming, if it existed, might be greater than the costs."
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March 1st, 2019 at 8:21:41 PM permalink
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We can argue about the cause until we are blue in the face .



The ice at the S Pole comes and goes
as the earth goes thru warming and
cooling cycles. Nothing new. We ain't
gonna stop it with windmills and
hamsters running in their wheels to
stop coal burning.

Deep Bore Into Antarctica Finds Freezing Ice, Not Melting as Expected

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/02/ross-ice-shelf-bore-antarctica-freezing/
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