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February 23rd, 2019 at 2:32:58 PM permalink
A wall won't stop people from overstaying their visas nor will it deport the 12-22 million illegals. But there are also many that cross the border on foot.
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February 23rd, 2019 at 2:51:20 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

"Even at the lower percentage



I'm going to save you a whole lot
of trouble and cut to the chase.
The truth is, it's a border crisis
when Dems want it to be one,
when it's politically expedient
for them. When it's not, why
there's no crisis at all, everything
is roses and lollypops down there.

What happened is, the Dems screwed
themselves in 1976. The Dem congress
passed the presidential emergency
bill without defining at all what an
emergency is. They passed it by a
majority vote, but it takes 2/3 of
congress to get rid of it. They'll
never get that many on the Right
to vote against it.

Dems are famous for never thinking
ahead. Harry Reid screwed the pooch
when he made the number of votes
needed to approve a SCOTUS a simple
majority, not 60 votes. But even in
2013 he knew the fix was in for Hillary,
he had nothing to worry about.
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February 23rd, 2019 at 3:08:03 PM permalink
Quote: Dalex64

I guess it is a good thing the democrats have also been saying "health care crisis" "gun crisis" and "environmental crisis" for years now, for when the next time a democrat is president.



YUP.

When the two houses of Congress won't agree to fund the "national emergency", of the President, I'd say it is a power grab.

If the knuckleheads give Trump the power to circumvent congress authority expect a Democrat president to divert a billion for a national gun registry. We'll keep your names and guns and how many on record permanently and know where you live. No more gun show loopholes. 2nd amendment won't stop that.

You know how easily it is to make a gun crisis argument. Well, more Americans now get injured or killed at home annually than our military troops do normally.

Climate change is just as easy.
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IMO, the national emergency powers should be reserved for the President being able act quickly, where the congress would still eventually agree with the move, not for the President to act unilaterally against the majority of Congress. Unfortunately we're not protected like that.
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February 23rd, 2019 at 3:28:51 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

YUP.



So what. So a Dem calls a gun crisis, he
can't change the law and take all the
guns away. He can only do things
within the law, like Trump is doing
with the wall.

If there had never been any wall ever
built, he'd be on shaky ground. But
there's already 702 miles of walls
and fencing built by Clinton, Bush
and Obama. So Trump has hugely
solid ground for fixing what other
presidents started.

The Secure Fence Act of 2006, which was passed by a Republican Congress and signed by President George W. Bush, authorized about 700 miles of fencing along certain stretches of land between the border of the United States and Mexico. Obama, Clinton, Schumer (and Biden) and 23 other Democratic senators voted in favor of the act when it passed in the Senate by a vote of 80 to 19.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/apr/23/mick-mulvaney/fact-check-did-top-democrats-vote-border-wall-2006/
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February 23rd, 2019 at 3:36:27 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So what. So a Dem calls a gun crisis, he
can't change the law and take all the
guns away.



That's why I said national gun registry. Socialist President Ocasio-Cortez will use the electronic rolodex to come get the guns while you're sleeping or otherwise vulnerable sitting on the toilet unarmed.

(U the guys making her popular not dems.)
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February 23rd, 2019 at 4:51:45 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

to come get the guns while you're sleeping or otherwise vulnerable sitting on the toilet unarmed.



Or so the dream goes. Never gonna
happen.

Quote: rxwine

t(U the guys making her popular not dems.)



And why do you think that is.. A gift
from god, if god existed...
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February 23rd, 2019 at 6:34:14 PM permalink
Okay, EB, just explain how the Dems can be stopped with similar initiatives.. Several years of crisis being the definition.

You can't.

Just get in the Lemming car and follow the other Trumpers off the cliff. You better hope the SCOTUS or someone stops him.
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February 23rd, 2019 at 8:28:57 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Okay, EB, just explain how the Dems can be stopped with similar initiatives..



No need to stop them. Trump has a ton
of precedent for the wall, other presidents
have built 700 miles of it. Other presidents
and congress people have called it a crisis
for 20 years. We all know it's a crisis,
pretending it's not because you don't
like Trump is disingenuous.

dis·in·gen·u·ous
/ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/
adjective
not sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

If a Dem president calls for a climate
change emergency, what will he do
to stop it. Close all coal powered
electric plants? That would cause
another crisis, what then, build non
polluting nuke plants?

Trump has an actual crisis/emergency,
and the tested means and precedent
to stop it.
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February 24th, 2019 at 5:35:19 AM permalink
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My question would be since a good portion of that is allocated to the military and he plans on using the military for a good portion of building the wall, would that be considered acceptable? I have no idea how constrained these allocations are.



The President has no right to deploy the military within the US for a purpose like this. When he moved the military to the border last year, it was at least questionable, if not illegal (the legality was challenged after the move), as it represented an act of an undeclared (by Congress) domestic war.

So, if the Administration deployed the US military in a domestic capability (which would include using materiel and personnel under DOD command), legally it would have to be under specific appropriations for that defensive operation. Again, there is no slush fund sitting around to be overtaken by an unscheduled deployment.

It's sort of ironic that the same people who fear the black helicopter-type ops, which are the primary reason for the purposeful divide between foreign and domestic deployment regulations - protecting the citizenry from a military coup - are the people who think Trump should have carte blanche in using the military as his personal construction crew.
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February 24th, 2019 at 5:40:01 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

The President has no right to deploy the military within the US for a purpose like this. When he moved the military to the border last year, it was at least questionable, if not illegal (the legality was challenged after the move), as it represented an act of an undeclared (by Congress) domestic war.



The Commander in Chief does not have the right to deploy the military?

Protecting the border is "domestic war?"

Really?
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February 24th, 2019 at 7:01:35 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

The Commander in Chief does not have the right to deploy the military?

Protecting the border is "domestic war?"

Really?



Yes, really. Domestic deployment, the laws are different.
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February 24th, 2019 at 7:09:22 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Yes, really. Domestic deployment, the laws are different.



So you say. But the military helps out customs on a regular basis for just one thing. By your logic if we were invaded the POTUS could do nothing.
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February 24th, 2019 at 7:18:17 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

So you say. But the military helps out customs on a regular basis for just one thing. By your logic if we were invaded the POTUS could do nothing.



No, I didn't say that at all. And that's not where the logic leads.

It's analogous to an aircraft emergency. An aircraft in distress, once it declares, is given all assistance regardless of cost or impact, because time is of the essence. The situation is then reviewed for legitimate use of the declaration and either supported or costed back to the declarer, in the form of fines, loss of license, or other actions.

The Administration operates under similar constraints. The declaration of an emergency can allow immediate response, but the exigency must be borne out by the facts. Trump himself said this isn't an emergency, he just felt like declaring it, the day he did it.

Oops.

But yes, there are serious and necessary constraints on domestic deployment that protect our Democracy. The US Military is not the personal arm of the Presidency on domestic soil.
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February 24th, 2019 at 9:58:29 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

So you say. But the military helps out customs on a regular basis for just one thing. By your logic if we were invaded the POTUS could do nothing.



The Posse Comitatus Act, which passed after the Civil War to keep federal troops from policing the South, limits federal troops’ deployment on U.S. soil and forbids using them to enforce domestic laws.
The President can deploy troops if there’s an insurrection or invasion on U.S. soil. Congress later gave the military the ability to provide equipment and personnel for certain drug enforcement operations.

He can send as many troops as he
wants, they just can't arrest anyone.
They can be used as the eyes and
ears and bodyguards of the border
patrol, however. And nobody can
argue there isn't an out of control
drug problem at the border.

Now what constitutes an invasion.
Another thing congress was
purposely vague about. That's why
nobody is stopping Trump. Sure
looks like an invasion to me.
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February 24th, 2019 at 10:05:55 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

But yes, there are serious and necessary constraints on domestic deployment that protect our Democracy. The US Military is not the personal arm of the Presidency on domestic soil.



I agree that there a serious constraints based on laws and regulations. The Navy and Marine Corps are not regulated by the Posse Comitatus Act as the Army and Air Force are; they operate under regulations similar to it developed by the Department of the Navy. The Coast Guard and National Guards also operate outside of it for differing reasons.

We'll have to see how the legal challenges come out--for example, no legal challenge so far has completely stopped amending the border protection by enhancing fences with concertina wire. I've been in that crap before and I would much rather see border protection with the slatted fence that seems to be favored at this point. Anyway, if they can build one, and he legally finds the money (that will be challenged also, of course) it doesn't seem that much different of an action than reinforcing existing fencing.

Both parties are negligent on this issue. I don't think we need a bright, shiny 2,000 mile wall but I also think the Democrats are acting against something they called a crisis before Trump was President simply because, well, he is President. Neither the President or either party look really good to me on this issue.
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February 24th, 2019 at 12:43:53 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Trump himself said this isn't an emergency, he just felt like declaring it, the day he did it.


I just did a search and didn’t find anything indicating this, and I feel like the media would be all over this.
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February 24th, 2019 at 2:35:01 PM permalink
On Tuesday Pelosi will bring a
vote to the floor canceling
Trump's border emergency.
If it passes, the Senate has
2.5 weeks to vote on it.

If it passes the Senate, Trump
has already said he'll veto it.
You can't give a president vague
emergency powers, then cancel
them because you don't agree
it's an emergency. The law has to
be more specific. If this goes
to the Supremes, of course they
will side with Trump, he obeyed
the letter of the law.

This is purely political on Pelosi's
part, so she can show the base
that at least they tried.
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February 24th, 2019 at 3:19:18 PM permalink
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I just did a search and didn’t find anything indicating this, and I feel like the media would be all over this.



The media was all over this. You just didn't see it. He said it in his press conference / speech the day he signed the emergency order.
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February 24th, 2019 at 3:44:38 PM permalink
This is what Trump said:

"I could do the wall over a longer period of time. I didn't need to do this," "But I'd rather do it much faster."
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February 24th, 2019 at 3:51:43 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

The media was all over this. You just didn't see it. He said it in his press conference / speech the day he signed the emergency order.


They must'a deleted it all (wouldn't be the first time) since nothing's showing up. I guess we'll never know if Trump said it's not an emergency.
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February 24th, 2019 at 4:15:28 PM permalink
Quote: Dalex64

This is what Trump said:

"I could do the wall over a longer period of time. I didn't need to do this,"



What he meant was, congress forced
his hand. They wouldn't take the crisis
seriously so he needed to call an emergency.
But you know that, everybody pretends they
don't.

Fortunately he gets to decide what an
emergency is. Congress gave that to
him in 1976. If they don't like it, change
the law as to what an emergency is.
That would be interesting.
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February 24th, 2019 at 4:46:39 PM permalink
The preponderance of evidence of things Trump has said and not said, done and not done, means it is not an emergency.
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February 24th, 2019 at 4:51:03 PM permalink
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The preponderance of evidence of things Trump has said and not said, done and not done, means it is not an emergency.



Looking at all the people and drugs
coming in on a daily basis, and
the unwillingness of congress to
take care of it effectively, makes
it the very essence of an emergency.
You don't seem to be able to see
beyond the politics of it. If Obama
had done it, I would have supported
it 100%.
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. If Obama
had done it, I would have supported
it 100%.



Big whoop. If Trump went with single payer health care, and a robust green energy conversion program, I would support it 100%.
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February 25th, 2019 at 11:18:52 AM permalink
This is a great exchange between Diane
Feinstein and some goofball kids
pushing the Screwy Green Deal on her.
One says 'We voted for you, you have
to listen to us'. Feinstein says you're
16, you didn't vote for me. Good stuff.

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February 25th, 2019 at 11:27:44 AM permalink
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This is a great exchange between Diane
Feinstein and some goofball kids
pushing the Screwy Green Deal on her.
One says 'We voted for you, you have
to listen to us'. Feinstein says you're
16, you didn't vote for me. Good stuff.



I saw an article that said we have to listen to these kids because we will be dead and gone when they have to "live with climate change."

As if climate change is avoidable and as if anyone will really notice the difference had the news not told them.
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February 25th, 2019 at 11:40:00 AM permalink
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As if climate change is avoidable and as if anyone will really notice the difference had the news not told them.



I've lived in MI all my life except from
76-83 when I lived in Calif. I can't see
a whit of difference in the MI climate.
It's cold and snowy in the winter and
warm and beautiful in the summer.

Global Warming people really need to
get another hobby,,
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February 25th, 2019 at 11:56:59 AM permalink
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I've lived in MI all my life except from
76-83 when I lived in Calif. I can't see
a whit of difference in the MI climate.
It's cold and snowy in the winter and
warm and beautiful in the summer.

Global Warming people really need to
get another hobby,,



Young folks haven't lived long enough to realize sometimes you get an early or late spring. Early or late winter. Some winters are mild, some not. 76/77/78 were killer winters. School was called off often. 79/80/81 were mild, mild. mild. One year we were outside on Christmas Day, felt like Easter. Next year bone cold. Weather is like that.

One of my favorite things is to ask the GW believers how we know we were at the "right" temperature before, given that climate has always been changing.
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February 25th, 2019 at 12:43:04 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

This is a great exchange between Diane
Feinstein and some goofball kids
pushing the Screwy Green Deal on her.
One says 'We voted for you, you have
to listen to us'. Feinstein says you're
16, you didn't vote for me. Good stuff.



Funny how you used the exerpt that makes Sen Feinstein look like a jerk, and not the full one where she doesn't, in context..

Weren't you just on and on about that a couple of weeks ago regarding the Catholic school kid and the Indian?
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February 25th, 2019 at 12:58:02 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: EvenBob

This is a great exchange between Diane
Feinstein and some goofball kids
pushing the Screwy Green Deal on her.
One says 'We voted for you, you have
to listen to us'. Feinstein says you're
16, you didn't vote for me. Good stuff.



Funny how you used the exerpt that makes Sen Feinstein look like a jerk, and not the full one where she doesn't, in context..

Weren't you just on and on about that a couple of weeks ago regarding the Catholic school kid and the Indian?

I didn't think that made Diane seem like a jerk at all, at all. Those kids were brats, and the video demonstrates how discipline or educational teachers are not on the premises. I thought she did great.
Feinstein is creepy, but she got this one right.

Are you in favor of the "green new deal"?
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February 25th, 2019 at 1:00:00 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: EvenBob

This is a great exchange between Diane
Feinstein and some goofball kids
pushing the Screwy Green Deal on her.
One says 'We voted for you, you have
to listen to us'. Feinstein says you're
16, you didn't vote for me. Good stuff.



Funny how you used the exerpt that makes Sen Feinstein look like a jerk, and not the full one where she doesn't, in context..

Weren't you just on and on about that a couple of weeks ago regarding the Catholic school kid and the Indian?



I didn't think she looked like a jerk at all--it is sometimes hard to deal with unreasonable demands from people; I thought she did pretty well. Not perfect, but it is not a great situation. You can't fight climate change by destroying the economy and she knows that. Perhaps the way she looks at things is different than the way I do, but it takes just a little common sense to know that we aren't grounding planes and using trains...
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February 25th, 2019 at 2:09:55 PM permalink
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Funny how you used the exerpt that makes Sen Feinstein look like a jerk,



She doesn't look like a jerk at all,
the pre programmed kids do. She
took charge and made her case,
good for her.
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February 25th, 2019 at 2:12:03 PM permalink
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I thought she did great.
Feinstein is creepy, but she got this one right.



Yup, she told them you're kids, I'm
not, I've been doing this for 30 years,
buzz off.
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February 25th, 2019 at 3:41:15 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: EvenBob

This is a great exchange between Diane
Feinstein and some goofball kids
pushing the Screwy Green Deal on her.
One says 'We voted for you, you have
to listen to us'. Feinstein says you're
16, you didn't vote for me. Good stuff.



Funny how you used the exerpt that makes Sen Feinstein look like a jerk, and not the full one where she doesn't, in context..

Weren't you just on and on about that a couple of weeks ago regarding the Catholic school kid and the Indian?

I didn't think that made Diane seem like a jerk at all, at all. Those kids were brats, and the video demonstrates how discipline or educational teachers are not on the premises. I thought she did great.
Feinstein is creepy, but she got this one right.

Are you in favor of the "green new deal"?



No, I think the original proposal was a ridiculous and irresponsible overreach.

I've heard there's some other, more reasonable version now circulating I haven't seen, so I can't give an opinion on it.

But in general, we didn't develop the problem overnight, so I don't see us solving it in one revolutionary sweep. I do agree that climate change is real and we can take steps to remediate the problems, and we need to get cracking on it. We also need to work with the rest of the world, and we're on totally the wrong track with Trump's actions the last couple of years.
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February 25th, 2019 at 4:19:10 PM permalink
That teacher has those kids thinking they're going to be roasted in ten years.

She could tell them "They found that the upper edge of land suitable for crop growth could shift as far north as 1,200km from the current position with the most dramatic changes occurring in the inner-continental regions of North America and Eurasia."

"Using global climate models the team was able to predict the future extent of growing degree days and changes in rainfall. The study, published in Scientific Reports, estimates that by 2099 roughly 76 per cent of the boreal region could reach the right conditions for agriculture."

And that "Record CO2 Coincides With Record-Breaking Crop Yields"
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February 25th, 2019 at 4:50:35 PM permalink
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I do agree that climate change is real



Everybody agrees with that. The climate
is changing as it always does. Like it
did in 1789 or 1450 or 799. Climate
never stands still.
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Everybody agrees with that. The climate
is changing as it always does. Like it
did in 1789 or 1450 or 799. Climate
never stands still.



Glaciers covered the northern part of North America thousands of years ago. Such a good thing the cavemen drove SUVs and warmed it up for us now.
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One of my favorite things is to ask the GW believers how we know we were at the "right" temperature before, given that climate has always been changing.



That's a simplistic view. Just because for instance plant life could survive and adapt to complete changes in seasons and temperatures over a thousand or more years, doesn't mean it will adapt rapidly to changes in 100 years or less.
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February 25th, 2019 at 8:01:27 PM permalink
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Glaciers covered the northern part of North America thousands of years ago. Such a good thing the cavemen drove SUVs and warmed it up for us now.



The Great Lakes surrounding MI were caused
by the melting glaciers. Global warming was
the reason, must have been all those animal
farts that did it, like cow farts are causing
it now. Sea levels really did rise, but man
sure as hell had nothing to do with it.
Just like now.
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The Great Lakes surrounding MI were caused
by the melting glaciers. Global warming was
the reason, must have been all those animal
farts that did it, like cow farts are causing
it now.....

Pootin done it.
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February 26th, 2019 at 2:26:33 AM permalink
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That's a simplistic view. Just because for instance plant life could survive and adapt to complete changes in seasons and temperatures over a thousand or more years, doesn't mean it will adapt rapidly to changes in 100 years or less.



Except we are not having a complete change. In fact we have had no real change since all this nonsense started. Algore predicted we have just 10 years to do something about 15 years ago. Now AOC says we have what, 7 years? In the 1980s I remember the headlines that in 30 years the entire northeast would be the "new sunbelt."

And the people who believe keep listening to people who preach doom while flying private jets and living in mansions.
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February 26th, 2019 at 5:28:40 AM permalink
She wrote this 48 years ago. Accurate description of the current dem game plan.

"Instead of their old promises, that collectivism would create universal abundance and their denunciations of capitalism for creating poverty. They are now denouncing capitalism for creating abundance. Instead of promising conflict, comfort and security for everyone, they are denouncing people for being comfortable and secure. The demand to restrict technology is the demand to restrict man's mind. It is nature, that is reality that makes both these goals impossible to achieve. Technology can be destroyed and the mind can be paralyzed, but neither can be restricted. Whether and whatever such restrictions are attempted, it is the mind, not the state, that withers away."

They are still struggling however, to inculcate guilt and fear; these have always been their psychological tools. Only instead of exhorting you to feel guilty of exploiting the poor, they are now exhorting you to feel guilty of exploiting the land, air and water.

...they are now trying to scare you out of your wits with thunderously vague threats of an unknowable cosmic cataclysm, threats that cannot be checked, verified or proved.”

-Ayn Rand “ Return of The Primitive” 1971

This is Dr. Patrick Michaels, Director at the Center of the Study of Science at the Cato Institute:

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February 26th, 2019 at 5:49:57 AM permalink
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This is Dr. Patrick Michaels, Director at the Center of the Study of Science at the Cato Institute:



https://skepticalscience.com/patrick-michaels-history-getting-climate-wrong.html
ROTFL
The guy is wrong over and over

Michaels In 2001: Prius Will "Never" Deliver Profit For Toyota. In a Washington Times op-ed Michaels declared that the Prius would "never" make a profit for Toyota and suggested that demand would always be "weak" because "no one except diehard technophiles and hyper-greens are willing to shell out several thousand extra for a hybrid":

Toyota Motor Corp. (7203)'s Prius, a niche oddity when it went on sale 15 years ago, jumped to the world's third best-selling car line in the first quarter as U.S. demand and incentives in Japan turned the hybrid into a mainstream hit.
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February 26th, 2019 at 11:19:45 AM permalink
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Michaels In 2001: Prius Will "Never" Deliver Profit For Toyota. .



So in your world, that makes him
wrong about everything. Always
so grateful I don't live in that
world..
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February 26th, 2019 at 4:16:32 PM permalink
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So in your world, that makes him
wrong about everything. Always
so grateful I don't live in that
world..



He's wrong a lot if you check the link
I just thought its funny how he has no vision and bet against the most successful car company on the planet
He's a clown
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February 26th, 2019 at 4:50:05 PM permalink
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He's a clown



You do realize that calling everybody you
disagree with on the Right a 'clown' kinda
reduces it's meaning after awhile.
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February 26th, 2019 at 7:51:20 PM permalink
Oh my dear god. Trump is bringing
Detroit back. Obama said it couldn't
be done. God bless America
and god bless Donald Trump.
MAGA!

Fiat Chrysler to Reopen Idled Detroit Plant, Bring 6.5K U.S. Jobs Back to Michigan

$4.5 Billion to Build New Assembly Plant in Detroit and Add Production at Five Existing Michigan
Facilities, Creating Nearly 6,500 Jobs

https://www.fcagroup.com/en-US/media_center/fca_press_release/FiatDocuments/2019/february/FCA_to_Expand_Production_Capacity_in_Michigan.pdf
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February 26th, 2019 at 8:09:52 PM permalink
LOLOLOL

Quote:

“Three years ago, FCA set a course to grow our profitability based on the strength of the Jeep and Ram brands by realigning our U.S. manufacturing operations,” said Mike Manley, Chief Executive Officer, FCA N.V. “Today’s announcement represents the next step in that strategy. "



Three years ago? How long do you think Trumpmeister has been President?
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