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January 15th, 2019 at 5:20:52 AM permalink
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I thought I posted this before but apparently not. There are plenty of places to keep money. Casino front money accounts, safe deposit box at a bank, actual bank account, bonds or other investments, sportsbook mobile apps (at least in Nevada), gold/silver, and I'm sure I'm forgetting other stuff. If you trust someone else enough (like a parent), you could leave cash at their place too -- and it'd only get stolen by some freak accident (eg: not specifically targeted b/c they know there's cash there) or if your parents wanna screw you for whatever reason. I'm sure there are plenty of other ways to hide money that I'm not remembering right now.

You could even make a deal with another trusted AP, to where you're splitting action on either getting robbed, up to (example) $20k. So if one gets robbed for $20k or more, then the other has to fork over $10k. Obviously not something you should do with just anyone, but if you trust each other, then it's free insurance.

Also, if you're hiding money at home, in your car, or even on yourself, one way to possibly minimize the damage is to have a decoy. If you have a bunch of cash in the trunk of your car, leave $500 or $1,000 in the center console -- that's probably the first place a thief will look...and after finding the loot, hopefully they'll leave without looking for the real enchilada. If you have cash at home, leave $5k in the most likely drawer to be searched drawer. Carry a give-up wallet with a couple hundred bucks that you can give someone if you get mugged.

It's less about preventing getting robbed but moreso -- when you get robbed, you don't wanna get taken for all the loot you got.

But the most important part is to be careful when you're in the casino. Watch out for shady characters or even regular people that're giving you attention. It's also a good idea to get a PO box and use that for everything, at least casino stuff. Doesn't take much for an employee to recognize you as a big player, check your address, and give that to an accomplice.



I've thought about that myself. Employees doing shady things in order to help steal money from a Gambler. Especially the very jealous, resentful ones who are bitter that someone won more than their entire year's wages in just an hour.
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January 15th, 2019 at 5:30:09 AM permalink
This thread is an A+. Let me be the first to predict a Hollywood happy ending.
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January 15th, 2019 at 6:24:12 AM permalink
Why don't you AP's use a safety deposit box at a bank
I have a lot of valuables.
I thought about a safe
but
I feel a safety deposit box is safer
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January 15th, 2019 at 6:40:11 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Why don't you AP's use a safety deposit box at a bank
I have a lot of valuables.
I thought about a safe
but
I feel a safety deposit box is safer



The flow in and out of large amounts of cash would mean constant trips to the safety deposit box.

The bigger the operation the more large amounts of cash need to be fluid and available
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January 15th, 2019 at 7:05:22 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

The flow in and out of large amounts of cash would mean constant trips to the safety deposit box.

The bigger the operation the more large amounts of cash need to be fluid and available




Convenience vs safety
I will always choose safety
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January 15th, 2019 at 7:38:23 AM permalink
Alright. Lets continue

I understood the money and valuables being taken. It was the casino cards that were most disturbing. All the suspects who knew the locations were also members of my crew who would know the cards were worthless without pins

I had to assume they were for leverage or possible future blackmail.

For certain, if the stolen goods ever got retrieved by the police that would be an even worse fiasco. None of the cards were stolen. I had no issues with criminality. Everyone was allowing me to use them. But police have this moral compass which would compel them to return the cards to the casinos and notify them of how they had been acquired ("we caught a thief and these were in his possession"). I couldnt even report them stolen ("yeah officer and besides money about a thousand players cards from multiple casinos in 100 different peoples names")

I made the painful decision not to involve the authorities. I was on my own with this one

5 suspects. The only people who knew the locations AND contents of the safes

My current girlfriend: known her for 3 years. One of my most trusted people she had risen quickly due to her savvy honesty and ability. Contrary to what my family thinks it wasnt because of great sex(I have had grest sex with others and they didnt get high positions)

She was also younger than my own daughter being about half my age. (For those who met me at this year's Spring Fling that woman on my arm was her)

My former girlfriend: friends for 25 years. One of the only people who helped me off the streets when I was homeless before my AP career began. Her children consider me a surrogate father. It seemed inconceivable she would now try something like this.

My daughter: very close. Just cant imagine. She was with my kids at her mother's house the entire day of the robbery

My son: we were just working out some differences that had kept our relationship rocky bur nothing that would make me suspect him of robbing me. Besides he had the perfect alibi. He was physically with me the day of the robbery while I clobbered the River Dragons

My former son-in-law: He was unfortunately the immediate suspect. It wasnt character-wise. He is a decent man with my daughter for 13 years. It was the circumstances.

The breakup was bitter with infidelity issues on both sides

That week was a big argument over his discovery of a family secret - my daughter had been seeing someone else and was getting remarried. The wedding was imminent-within the month. (My future son-in-law was accounted for. He and my daughter were at her mother's house with the kids the entire day of the robbery plus he had never been told the locations of the safes. My daughter was adamant she had not told him. Casino wise, I had him starting at the bottom just like everyone else. He knew very little about what I did)

My former son-in-law had told me he was moving to Florida where he had family for a new start. I had questioned him about finances and knew he was almost broke. So how was he going to make this supposed big move

My daughter had vehemently told him there was no hope of him getting the kids

He was also an auto-mechanic with tools. Out of all the suspects he had the most likely ability to open the safes

The night in question he was alone. The kids were with their grandmother. My daughter and her fiance were also there. She herself had told him so he knew my house was empty

His cellphone had been mysteriously off the entire day of the robbery

It would also explain the casino cards being taken. There was a possibility of a scorched earth mentality. If I am not benefiting no one is. A vindictive attempt to make everyone suffer like he was

It was most likely my former son-in-law. There was no 2 ways about it

His first ardent supporter was my own daughter. She couldnt be6he would do that. I pointed out the closest family members are the first suspects and listed all the reasons above. I mean, people have been murdered for those motives! Custody disputes, seeing an ex get remarried etc.

I didnt want him told we knew about the robbery but my daughter felt she had to question him. He called me immediately

He denied all involvement but hey we all know thats what would be said. However his impassioned denial did bring one thing up. He pointed out he never would harm his children and taking food out their mouths would be unthinkable. I didn't think he would harm his kids either.

I didnt know what to think. He was still suspect numero uno.

That first day I spent more time on the phone than ever in my life. Endless discussions with the upper echelon team members. The lower echelon team members were frantically calling. Some wanted to know more details or give their two cent sleuthing. Some wanted to know if future payments were affected (I would have the money for everyone i assured them and that wss true. I wasn't broke by any means). Some gave me offers to "handle the situation" once I knew who did it. I politely declined those offers. Im not trying to move my legit AP team into the realms of a criminal organization. No one was getting tortured and dumped in the East River (no matter how tempting)

By midday everyone was accusing someone else of the theft. It was clear the accusations were along prior personal fractures. Anyone who had a history or beef with another pointed the finger at that person. The accusations were not helpful and getting me nowhere

By evening however there seemed to be a consensus amongst almost everyone that is was my current girlfriend. Everyone thought she had slept her way up to a high position so she could go in for the kill

I was hearing this from my daughter. My son-in-law. My ex-girlfriend (naturally). My future son-in-law.

My current gf was the last person with me in the house before I left for my trip. I had actually opened the safe to show her the contents. To let her know how well I was doing. Yeah bragging i suppose

I had to concede the point that there was a strong possibility it had been her. But she had never done me dirty ("that makes this a perfect time to rob you" said my daughter)

I was going to have to make a very difficult phone call. I was going to have to question my girlfriend!
Last edited by: darkoz on Jan 15, 2019
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January 15th, 2019 at 7:42:52 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Alright. Lets continue

I understood the money and valuables being taken. It was the casino cards that were most disturbing. All the suspects who knew the locations were also members of my crew who would know the cards were worthless without pins

I had to assume they were for leverage or possible future blackmail.

For certain, if the stolen goods ever got retrieved by the police that would be an even worse fiasco. None of the cards were stolen. I had no issues with criminality. Everyone was allowing me to use them. But police have this moral compass which would compel them to return the cards to the casinos and notify them of how they had been acquired ("we caught a thief and these were in his possession"). I couldnt even report them stolen ("yeah officer and besides money about a thousand players cards from multiple casinos in 100 different peoples names")

I made the painful decision not to involve the authorities. I was on my own with this one

5 suspects. The only people who knew the locations AND contents of the safes

My current girlfriend: known her for 3 years. One of my most trusted people she had risen quickly due to her savvy honesty and ability. Contrary to what my family thinks it wasnt because of great sex(I have had grest sex with others and they didnt get high positions)

She was also younger than my own daughter being about half my age. (For those who met me at this year's Spring Fling that woman on my arm was her)

My former girlfriend: friends for 25 years. One of the only people who helped me off the streets when I was homeless before my AP career began. Her children consider me a surrogate father. It seemed inconceivable she would now try something like this.

My daughter: very close. Just cant imagine

My son: we were just working out some differences that had kept our relationship rocky bur nothing that would make me suspect him of robbing me. Besides he had the perfect alibi. He was physically with me the day of the robbery while I clobbered the River Dragons

My former son-in-law: He was unfortunately the immediate suspect. It wasnt character-wise. He is a decent man with my daughter for 13 years. It was the circumstances.

The breakup was bitter with infidelity issues on both sides

That week was a big argument over his discovery of a family secret - my daughter had been seeing someone else and was getting remarried. The wedding was imminent-within the month. (My future son-in-law was accounted for. He had been with my daughter the entire day of the robbery plus he had never been told the locations of the safes. My daughter was adamant she had not told him. Casino wise, I had him starting at the bottom just like everyone else. He knew very little about what I did)

He had told me he was moving to Florida where he had family for a new start. I had questioned him about finances and knew he was almost broke. So how was he going to make this supposed big move

My daughter had vehemently told him there was no hope of him getting the kids

He was also an auto-mechanic with tools. Out of all the suspects he had the most likely ability to open the safes

The night in question he was alone. The kids were with their grandmother. My daughter and her fiance were also there. She herself had told him so he knew my house was empty

His cellphone had been mysteriously off the entire day of the robbery

It would also explain the casino cards being taken. There was a possibility of a scorched earth mentality. If I am not benefiting no one is. A vindictive attempt to make everyone suffer like he was

It was most likely my former son-in-law. There was no 2 ways about it

His first ardent supporter was my own daughter. She couldnt be6he would do that. I pointed out the closest family members are the first suspects and listed all the reasons above. I mean, people have been murdered for those motives! Custody disputes, seeing an ex get remarried etc.

I didnt want him told we knew about the robbery but my daughter felt she had to question him. He called me immediately

He denied all involvement but hey we all know thats what would be said. However his impassioned denial did bring one thing up. He pointed out he never would harm his children and taking food out their mouths would be unthinkable. I didn't think he would harm his kids either.

I didnt know what to think. He was still suspect numero uno.

That first day I spent more time on the phone than ever in my life. Endless discussions with the upper echelon team members. The lower echelon team members were frantically calling. Some wanted to know more details or give their two cent sleuthing. Some wanted to know if future payments were affected (I would have the money for everyone i assured them and that wss true. I wasn't broke by any means). Some gave me offers to "handle the situation" once I knew who did it. I politely declined those offers. Im not trying to move my legit AP team into the realms of a criminal organization. No one was getting tortured and dumped in the East River (no matter how tempting)

By midday everyone was accusing someone else of the theft. It was clear the accusations were along prior personal fractures. Anyone who had a history or beef with another pointed the finger at that person. The accusations were not helpful and getting me nowhere

By evening however there seemed to be a consensus amongst almost everyone that is was my current girlfriend. Everyone thought she had slept her way up to a high position so she could go in for the kill

I was hearing this from my daughter. My son-in-law. My ex-girlfriend (naturally). My future son-in-law.

My current gf was the last person with me in the house before I left for my trip. I had actually opened the safe to show her the contents. To let her know how well I was doing. Yeah bragging i suppose

I had to concede the point that there was a strong possibility it had been her. But she had never done me dirty ("that makes this a perfect time to rob you" said my daughter)

I was going to have to make a very difficult phone call. I was going to have to question my girlfriend!



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January 15th, 2019 at 7:48:48 AM permalink
Sorry for the loss sounds horrific. Donít mean to sound insensitive, but I donít understand why youíre doing this here, doesnít seem like a good idea or make any sense.
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January 15th, 2019 at 7:48:57 AM permalink
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I was going to have to question my girlfriend!



Might as well call her your ex-girlfriend now. Whether she is guilty or innocent.
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January 15th, 2019 at 8:13:14 AM permalink
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You really have a high house edge on your line.

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