AN AP NIGHTMARE

Quote: randomperson

Its like you are pretending you don't know what youtube is. Go to youtube and watch a hundred police brutality videos and then come back and say the same thing again. There are clear examples of people calling police to help them with something (non-AP related) and they end up in cuffs or beaten up or their dog shot etc.

There are also car accident videos, do you not drive? Plane crash videos, do you not fly? You base your life on a tiny fraction of negative outcomes on youtube?


ZCore13

Quote: billryan

Writers of bad fiction.

This started out as total B.S. that was mildly entertaining.

Now it’s no longer even mildly entertaining.

I’ll be over in Nathan’s Corner where more interesting dialogue takes place

Tldr

I dealt with police Fukkum. Everytime I run into them they are useless or hate on my shine

Quote: Zcore13

There are also car accident videos, do you not drive? Plane crash videos, do you not fly? You base your life on a tiny fraction of negative outcomes on youtube?


ZCore13

You are saying that you cannot envision a reason someone wouldn't call the police besides doing something illegal. I just gave you two other reasons. I'm sure there are a hundred others.

Quote: randomperson

You are saying that you cannot envision a reason someone wouldn't call the police besides doing something illegal. I just gave you two other reasons. I'm sure there are a hundred others.

That's not exactly what I said. I can envision lots of things and I even said the family member thing would be a tough one. Just asking questions. Nobody knows exactly what they would do in a situation like this until something really happens.


ZCore13

In the real world of casino police interactions, at least around the casino and not in the courtroom itself, law enforcement by default acts as an agent of the casino and not a law enforcement officer.

When is the last time a shift supervisor or shift manager has been arrested when the cops show up on an issue of illegal detainment? Never, insurance company makes a civil court payoff and unethical businesses frequently go back to doing the same trash because they aren’t held criminally liable for criminal actions.

Let me get this straight. The victim in this
story runs some kind of shady casino
scam involving player cards. He's so
loose with the information on him pulling
this scam, and flashes so much cash around,
that multiple people in his life know all
about it. to the point that one of them robs
him of the cash and the cards.

We're supposed to believe anybody would be
that naive? If any of this were true, he deserves
to get robbed every other week.

I'm an AP and nobody in my life knows what
I do, exactly, and nobody has any clue how much
money is involved. Not even my wife. Why would
I be that dumb. Why would anybody.

The police suck when it comes to any kind of investigation. My few dealings with them, they basically tried to do the least amount of effort possible. Even when I gave them damn near 100% evidence of who it was (video surveillance), they were like nahhhh, could’a been someone else so not checking into it.

I think it’s kinda funny that Zcore loves to offer all this advice all the time and it’s always wrong. Lol

Quote: RS

The police suck when it comes to any kind of investigation.

The police are mostly used because an
insurance company will not pay on a claim
without a police report. Anybody who has
as much to lose as the victim in this 'story'
and doesn't have insurance deserves whatever
happens to them, they have no room to
complain.

The reasoning behind not calling police to investigate is understandable.

What is the excuse for not hiring a reputable private investigator preferably with a law enforcement background (and the connections that come with it)?

Quote: EvenBob

The police are mostly used because an
insurance company will not pay on a claim
without a police report. Anybody who has
as much to lose as the victim in this 'story'
and doesn't have insurance deserves whatever
happens to them, they have no room to
complain.

The stolen items were cash and other people's players club cards. How do you imagine the insurance claim would work on that?

Quote: EvenBob

I'm an AP ...

😮😮😮😮😮

Quote: rdw4potus

The stolen items were cash and other people's players club cards. How do you imagine the insurance claim would work on that?

"A standard homeowners insurance typically would reimburse up to $2,000 in stolen cash."

You can pay more for a policy that would
reimburse for far more than that.

Quote: EvenBob

"A standard homeowners insurance typically would reimburse up to $2,000 in stolen cash."

You can pay more for a policy that would
reimburse for far more than that.

Mine only covers $1,000 of cash.

Quote: EvenBob

Let me get this straight. The victim in this
story runs some kind of shady casino
scam involving player cards. He's so
loose with the information on him pulling
this scam, and flashes so much cash around,
that multiple people in his life know all
about it. to the point that one of them robs
him of the cash and the cards.

We're supposed to believe anybody would be
that naive? If any of this were true, he deserves
to get robbed every other week.

I'm an AP and nobody in my life knows what
I do, exactly, and nobody has any clue how much
money is involved. Not even my wife. Why would
I be that dumb. Why would anybody.

You are an AP and dont know about getting offers on players cards

Now that one Im calling BS on

Quote: EvenBob

"A standard homeowners insurance typically would reimburse up to $2,000 in stolen cash."

You can pay more for a policy that would
reimburse for far more than that.

An AP lifestyle means a constant ebb and flow of cash in and cash out

To the insurance agent who arrives for a policy:
"Well on weds I had $20k but I had a bad run on Thursday went down to $12.5k. However I was back up on Saturday over $50k

But had to take $10k out for a play"

Just how do you think a policy would be written for those circumstances

Quote: darkoz

You are an AP and dont know about getting offers on players cards

In fact, I haven't had a players card
in 15 years or more. Why would I, I
couldn't care less about comps. It's
like a bank robber getting his parking
receipt validated before leaving the
bank he just robbed. That's a pathetic
bank robber.

If an AP is worried about his meals
and his room, he's not much of an AP.
I leave as small a footprint as possible.
I've talked about this many times here,
in my 21,000 posts.

Quote: EvenBob

In fact, I haven't had a players card
in 15 years or more. Why would I, I
couldn't care less about comps. It's
like a bank robber getting his parking
receipt validated before leaving the
bank he just robbed. That's a pathetic
bank robber.

If an AP is worried about his meals
and his room, he's not much of an AP.
I leave as small a footprint as possible.
I've talked about this many times here,
in my 21,000 posts.

You’re not an AP.

What are the going odds that the girlfriend did it?

Quote: darkoz

To the insurance agent who arrives for a policy:
"Well on weds I had $20k but I had a bad run on Thursday went down to $12.5k. However I was back up on Saturday over $50k

If that's how you talk to the insurance
company, I would avoid insurance.
Why would you possibly give them
so much information when they don't
need it and would never ask for it.
You think they would honor the claim
only if you have a good story as to where
the money came from? That's not how
it works.

You can get riders on a policy to cover
far more than the standard policy covers.
But the horse has already left the barn
for the victim in the 'story', why even
think about it now.

Quote: RS

You’re not an AP.

Ok I actually read some of the posts and have to say some of you are retarded

Quote: RS

You’re not an AP.

Not to the people in my life I'm
not, and certainly not as far as
the casino is concerned.
How would the opinions of people
here effect what I do one way or
the other. Go ahead, tell me.

Quote: djatc

Ok I actually read some of the posts and have to say some of you are retarded

We can say that kind of thing here now?
I thought personal insults were verboten.

This is fun, but I have to go outside now
and sand a bookcase in 30 degree
weather. I'll be back..

Quote: EvenBob

Not to the people in my life I'm
not, and certainly not as far as
the casino is concerned.
How would the opinions of people
here effect what I do one way or
the other. Go ahead, tell me.

So you agree that no one thinks you’re an AP, except yourself? Smooth.

Never mind. I don’t really care. Carry on EvenBob.

Quote: EvenBob

If that's how you talk to the insurance
company, I would avoid insurance.
Why would you possibly give them
so much information when they don't
need it and would never ask for it.
You think they would honor the claim
only if you have a good story as to where
the money came from? That's not how
it works.

You can get riders on a policy to cover
far more than the standard policy covers.
But the horse has already left the barn
for the victim in the 'story', why even
think about it now.

I suggest you try and get a rider on a homeowners policy to cover cash. The rate is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% of actual value annually if you can show an acceptable secured storage method. It simply doesn't make sense.
Much like this whole story doesn't make sense. This is truly embarrassing for DarkOz. Personally, I can't believe he is telling it.

Quote: RS

Never mind. I don’t really care. Carry on EvenBob.

As well you shouldn't. I barely care.

Quote: MaxPen

I suggest you try and get a rider on a homeowners policy to cover cash. The rate is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% of actual value annually if you can show an acceptable secured storage method. It simply doesn't make sense.
Much like this whole story doesn't make sense. This is truly embarrassing for DarkOz. Personally, I can't believe he is telling it.

It is embarrassing

Constituting a real threat to my whole AP team

We only tell the good stories on here?

Quote: EvenBob

In fact, I haven't had a players card
in 15 years or more. Why would I, I
couldn't care less about comps. It's
like a bank robber getting his parking
receipt validated before leaving the
bank he just robbed. That's a pathetic
bank robber.

If an AP is worried about his meals
and his room, he's not much of an AP.
I leave as small a footprint as possible.
I've talked about this many times here,
in my 21,000 posts.

I guess as a dark sider I can spill the play.

It is not comps that are the end goal. Think about points earned, point multipliers, and points that can be translated into cash or free play. Does this make any sense?

Quote: darkoz

It is embarrassing

Constituting a real threat to my whole AP team

We only tell the good stories on here?

Yes, It is embarrassing for you. You are continuing to jeopardize your team. Think about it. The fact that you can't see it is what allowed you to be in this situation in the first place.
Some stories are better left untold.

Quote: EvenBob

In fact, I haven't had a players card
in 15 years or more. Why would I, I
couldn't care less about comps. It's
like a bank robber getting his parking
receipt validated before leaving the
bank he just robbed. That's a pathetic
bank robber.

If an AP is worried about his meals
and his room, he's not much of an AP.
I leave as small a footprint as possible.
I've talked about this many times here,
in my 21,000 posts.

I know nothing about darkoz's plays, other than they are on machines. Ask any machine pro (e.g. AxelWolf) and they will tell you that free play/cashback/points is absolutely part of the equation. It's a completely different world than table games AP, where there are defensible reasons to play rated or not. For machine play you almost always have to play rated in order for the play to +EV.

There are exceptions of course but that's the broad strokes.

Quote: djatc

Ok I actually read some of the posts and have to say some of you are retarded

Careful djatc. There's a new standard for hate speech.

My CIA coverage( Collectors Insurance Agency) covers 150,000 in comics, $30,000 in gold and silver, $5000 in other coin and $5,000 in cash. I think adding another $15,000 cost about $300.
In NY, I typically kept more cash and had higher limits. Then I had a dealers account, now I just have a regular collectors policy. The money is only insured on my premises.

This whole thread is reaffirming my lifestyle of having no girlfriend and or wife, no kids, and few friends as being quite the ultimate AP move. Thank you everyone.

Here we go:

After the offer by my daughter's fiance to help me out by robbing my current girlfriend to retrieve all the stolen cash and casino cards I dialed my ex-girlfriend and related the conversation

"Wait a minute!" Questioned my ex. "He wants to rob your girlfriend? Who does that?"

"Ostensibly to find my stolen loot. But I am not giving him my girlfriend's address for her to be home invaded. Now I am more certain than ever it is him."

"It was definitely a unique suggestion. Maybe he is trying to genuinely help in his own way?"

"Bull. If you thought I robbed you would you try to have me robbed back?" I asked my ex.

"No, pretty certain I would not."

"Besides he actually would find large sums of money and casino cards in her house anyway."

"Wait a minute, wait a minute!!! What are you saying? She did it? I'm confused!"

"No. She runs her own team. Money, casino cards, everything.," I divulged.

"WHAT? You never told me this. You set your girlfriend up with her own business?"

"No, its mine. She is running a subdivision. Complete autonomy. I bankroll her. I give her instructions and guidance. She does all the work. She has her own employees and players card people. She collects all the cash from her division and I get my cut a few times a month. I set it up that way in case a casino starts putting names and faces together like what happened at [redacted] casino. Remember they quietly followed us all around till they had every member pegged?

"My girlfriend's operation was set-up as an insurance policy in case of that type of situation. I dont even know whose players cards she has or who she has working for her."

"You trusted her like that?"

"You see why its hard for me to believe she did this."

"I know you pay your people well. If shes doing all this then she is making a chunk of change. Your family knows this?"

"Yes."

"Thats why they have so much animosity towards her!"

"So, my daughter tells her fiance and he is thinking 'wow there goes another target'. Another house filled with cash and casino cards. That's is, of course, if thats where she keeps them."

"Hold up now. You dont know if that is where she keeps them? You know you're hitting me with curve ball after curve ball here. You telling me that you showed your girlfriend where you keep your money and casino cards but your girlfriend did not show you where she keeps her money and casino cards?"

I sighed, embarrassed. "Yeah!"

"Well, put that B#tch in charge of the whole operation because she's f#ckin smarter than you are."

"Shut up! I gotta figure this out."

My ex-girlfriend usually doesn't shut up when I tell her. Since she did she must really be considering the gravity of it all.

"He seemed pretty confident about breaking into her place. Like it was no sweat," I said.

"That sounds like someone who is comfortable like he has done it before. What do you know about this guy?"

"An orphan. No family. Dreams about starting the family he never had."

"So you never met nobody from his side of the family? He could be some serial killer for all we know."

"He said something that nagged me. He just didnt want to take the polygraph tests because he has had bad experiences in the past or something. I am 50 years old and never had an experience with a polygraph exam."

"Who does except criminals?"

"Well, actually I read police officers are given those as well."

"Like I said, who gets polygraph tests besides criminals?"

"You are funny."

"If you know his full name and birthday I can look him up to see if he has a criminal history."

"I dont know his birthday."

"Ask your daughter."

"After just accusing her fiance? She's going to assume I am trying to do that."

"There must be some way to ask without her suspicion."

"I know. Some casinos require your full birthday to log on to see offers and he has gotten me some cards. I will tell her I am doing an accounting of future offers and need his birthday for log in."

Five minutes later I had the birthday

Five minutes after that my ex-girlfriend was ringing my phone.

"Okay, I looked him up. He does have a criminal record. In fact he is still on parole. He was released just a few months before meeting your daughter."

"Oh my God! Can it get any worse?"

"Yep. Are you sitting down?"

"No, I am not sitting down. Just give it to me."

"He did six years so it was pretty serious. 2nd degree robbery."

She was right. I should have been sitting down!

Quote: darkoz

Here we go:

when is the security video(s) coming out?
I would like a front row seat if not on youtube.

sure, professional thief(s) these days wear full length sheets over their body to conceal their identity
(or other body hiding fashions)
but all it takes is one slip to unmask the identity.

have you or do you intend to show any surveillance video(s)?
sorry if you already talked about this...

If not, I guess I watch some of mine.

I truly am white trash but some find value in trash
so I have video cameras hidden (some I forget where they are)

I guess thanks for sharing this

Quote: djatc

Ok I actually read some of the posts and have to say some of you are retarded

Quote: EvenBob

We can say that kind of thing here now?
I thought personal insults were verboten.

I'll let that go, since he didn't say who is retarded. However, if he stated a certain group of people, like Trump/Clinton voters, were retarded, then he would be.

Quote: Wizard

What are the going odds that the girlfriend did it?

Let the record show I have a $20 bet at even money, against someone who shall be nameless, on the girlfriend vs. the daughter's boyfriend. Anybody else or the mystery goes unsolved, based on 1% or more of doubt in the mind of darkoz, is a push.

Quote: Wizard

I'll let that go, since he didn't say who is retarded. However, if he stated a certain group of people, like Trump/Clinton voters, were retarded, then he would be.

Damn, if you twist any more, I might just salt you.

If the boyfriend is openly willing to rob a house while he is on parole for robbery it was 99.99% him.

Unless you are gonna M. Night Shamalama this ending.

Quote: darkoz

"He did six years so it was pretty serious. 2nd degree robbery."

Ah, but he paid his debt to society, did he not?

Keep looking.

Just announced: George Clooney is signed to play DarkOz in the movie version of this thread. Mike Shackleford will make a cameo appearance, playing himself.

Who should play the girlfriend? The ex-girlfriend? The daughter? The daughter's boyfriend? The son?

I suggest Danny Devito for EvenBob.

I don't know why this is such a
big deal. The victim in the story
needed to be robbed to learn
the important lesson of keeping
your trap shut. Telling that many
people what you do and where
you keep the money is literally
inviting them to rob you, daring
them to. Trust nobody, even the
people you want to trust. If you
say 'I don't want to live in a world
where I can't trust anybody', then
stop being an AP and get a real
job.

It's like the guy I knew who was
finally killed for the apple sized
wad he constantly flashed. He
was inviting robbery, almost begging
for it. So was the victim in this story.

Here's the link to the killing. They
caught who did it and gave them
life in prison.

https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/08/medema_murder_folo.html

Quote: gordonm888

Just announced: George Clooney is signed to play DarkOz in the movie version of this thread. Mike Shackleford will make a cameo appearance, playing himself.

Who should play the girlfriend? The ex-girlfriend? The daughter? The daughter's boyfriend? The son?

I suggest Danny Devito for EvenBob.

I've always wanted to drive a Greyhound bus. Please!. Purty Please! No Dark Oz movie would be complete without multiple scenes on the Hound.

Yeah, I'm wondering how many bus rides will be required to recover from this debacle.

I think “retarded” is being used as a slur and should not be allowed. A warning would be fine for it.

But it’s not my forum.

Quote: MaxPen

Yeah, I'm wondering how many bus rides will be required to recover from this debacle.

It was my entire helicopter budget

Quote: FinsRule

I think “retarded” is being used as a slur and should not be allowed. A warning would be fine for it.

But it’s not my forum.

Where does it stop? I was reading about Google employees being upset at the word "family".
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/16/google-family-triggered-meltdown/

People collect players cards. There is a market for them on ebay,with some 300 listed daily, as well as at least one website dedicated to the hobby. Thinking the police are going to do something to you about a number of players cards being stolen is as ridiculous as this entire thread. Possessing a casino player card outside a casino is most certainly not a crime. I'd think the leader of such an advanced team would have some sort of legal advisor.
It was a dark and stormy night.....

Quote: gordonm888

Just announced: George Clooney is signed to play DarkOz in the movie version of this thread. Mike Shackleford will make a cameo appearance, playing himself.

Who should play the girlfriend? The ex-girlfriend? The daughter? The daughter's boyfriend? The son?

I suggest Danny Devito for EvenBob.

Gary Busey would be a better bet for one of the actors who is not the OP