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January 14th, 2019 at 11:11:46 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

Why would the safes be “easily opened” ?

Someone other than you knew the combinations ?



If it's a safe built into furniture it has to be very weak. Anything under a TL15 safe and you may as well not have anything. The safes only purpose is to allow enough time for an intervening force to arrive. TL30 is worth the money. You need surveillance with immediate notification capability as it will most likely be disabled. A good safe will not be able to be installed in a HiRISE building without extreme difficulty.
You can open a lot of "safes" with a potato.
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January 15th, 2019 at 12:35:23 AM permalink
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January 15th, 2019 at 12:44:09 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I will continue tomorrow the sad tale

The list of five trusted "guys" were

One ex-girlfriend
One current girlfriend
My daughter
My son
My former son-in-law and father of my grandkids



Who else votes former son-in-law?
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January 15th, 2019 at 12:45:58 AM permalink
My condolences and deepest sympathies to you Darkoz. :( It hurts me that someone or people close to you could steal from you. :( I hope whoever or whoevers did it feel complete guilt and confess what they did and give you back your money and other items. And sincerely and remorsefully apologize.
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January 15th, 2019 at 12:47:42 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Who else votes former son-in-law?



I sure hope it's not his son or daughter or even current girlfriend because that would make the situation even more heartbreaking sad than it already is.
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
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January 15th, 2019 at 2:10:10 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

The locks were intricately opened using tools that removed a plate and then twisted internal elements

And yet with minimal damage. The damage was slight warps so that the locking mechanism is now completely useless. The door cannot be closed

They would probably be impregnable to someone like you or me

As I said it was someone with deft mechanical skill.

It was completely shocking (to me at least) how it had been done



I have no idea what all that means. Can you post a picture of that
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January 15th, 2019 at 2:17:53 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Should that be a surprise? We forget how much money even $5,000 really is, never mind substantially more. The average bank robber nets $4330 for a far riskier operation.

Sorry darkoz to hear about your loss. I think Rigondeaux's advice hits the spot.

In casinos (without a specific play in mind), I usually carry $8K-12K. Wallet only carries $2K-3K. Rest is in another pocket or non-wallet location. But I may have $100K-200K cash in car, home, storage unit, hotel safe (poker room or front desk), hotel room safe, and bank safe deposit boxes (Trouble here is if you need 24/7 access for a play).

This may be a lot more cash than most single-digit-millionaires or decamillionaires have in their homes.

Here are some security things that I do....which might help others.

(1) I do not rely on safes within my home to provide security. If substantial money is stored there, I use multiple unusual locations. Think of places no one would look, that have never been shown on a TV show, or recommended in any online article... (That's why I don't mention any in this post!)

(2) If cash is being transported in a car, again I use (a) multiple locations (b) unusual places. I've been lucky to have no house/apartment/hotel-room break-ins, but my cars have not been so lucky. 7 break-ins. Luckily the thieves have never found much money. Once I lost $200 hidden in the cigarette ash area (found when the professional thief took my car stereo...). One way I make thefts difficult is I leave my car trunk VERY FULL. Once when I was held up at gunpoint (not anywhere near a casino), the thief opened up my trunk...and didn't touch anything out of disgust - Didn't bother looking for (a) camera (b) laptop (c) cash.

When I am most nervous leaving cash in a car is when I have flown somewhere and am driving a rental car where I only have 1 rollaboard - fewer places to hide money & slow down a thief.

Once a car was broken into in the Bellagio garage 1st floor - directly under a camera - and security wouldn't even look on their camera to help me. Broke a window, and rummaged through my rollabaord. Didn't appear to have stolen anything. Disgusting.

Someone smashed a car in the parking lot of the casino/hotel where I was staying for a few days - $4,000-5,000 damage, hard to enough to shift the car 6"-12" on the ground - no response from security. They didn't even notice that the car got hit!

(3) Car - Almost no APs know what my cars looks like. In general, no one ever gets a ride. I drive a dumpy normal car to casinos because I don't want someone stealing a fancy car & getting an unexpected $100K bonus.

I really dislike the license plate cameras which many Las Vegas casinos now use.

I don't want casino staff to know what cars I drive either. Why?
Once I had my players card scammed for a fancy meal. Almost 100% certain it was a partial inside job. "Coincidentally", the casino had comped me to one of their presidential suites. What they probably weren't expecting is that I rarely let my points or comps go above $150 for just this reason...so there wasn't enough credit to charge another meal. The receipt was recorded in their computer. For my signature, someone drew a straight line.

I have been asked by other people (but always decline) to obtain high-level players cards for this type of scam (e.g. "Can you find me a Harrahs Seven Stars card Asian male or European female...for $100/200"). If a big player is staying at one Harrahs property, they charge the card at other properties. If a restaurant staff person is in on the scam, they wait until someone pays cash, and then run the players card.

When I had trouble with one casino in a car...I sold that car within the month. If that license plate is being tracked, I no longer drive the car.

(4) Do NOT split money after a play in a car in the casino parking lot. In one Indian casino case against an AP, they showed footage of him entering a car in the casino garage with other APs. Sometimes if playing with other APs, we drive separately away from the casino, and we meet 1-2 miles away before splitting cash.

(5) Do not carry cards of other APs. Some APs use multiple cards in their strategies. I don't. In general, I consider it too risky to allow anyone else to have a card with my name.

Since I've had 7 car breakins, I worry that if I carried cards of other APs, some other AP could get in trouble if my car is broken into.

(6) If I am going to take cash from a hidden location in a car (a) I take the cash out somewhere besides where I will park (b) If I need to take cash out of a parked car, I drive the car somewhere else, take the cash out, then repark the car. I assume someone can follow me on a security camera.

(7) If I'm leaving a casino and not comfortable carrying $50K-100K, I may ask for a security escort (I think I've only done this once or twice). Or enter & exit bathrooms, in & out of high limit areas, eat at a restaurant, stay in the casino playing for 30-60+ min. I don't usually use casino safe deposit boxes, but you could do that. Also have a friend in Vegas who professionally escorts people to banks or homes.

This depends on the area. When playing blackjack in the Western Casino (Downtown Las Vegas), it was so seedy that I wouldn't even bring more than $200. And I would walk there (so no one would see me leaving or entering a car).

(8) I usually don't send casino mail to home addresses. So neighbors don't get the idea that you gamble a LOT. PO Boxes can be as cheap as $40/yr (They rent by 3-month blocks). It also keeps the casino from seeing how expensive/cheap your house/apartment is when trying to pretend to be a "normal Joe" or a rich person.

(9) Some APs use codenames on smartphones. That way if casino camera zooms in on a smartphone, they don't see names of known APs (good for you and good for the other APs).

(10) I keep my casino bankroll to a very small fraction of my net worth (<10%). So if the cash is stolen, or if the casino kicks me out mid-play, I will be ok. For this reason, I do not play progressives over $10K. There have been some people kicked out of casino mid-play on a $50K or $100K progressive with staff collusion and a local Big Player who takes over the progressive. Some professional teams protect themselves by having unknown players as backup - sitting in a hotel room, so no one (casino or competitive APs) knows they are in the casino - If they are kicked out, their unknown partner can take over the game.

One of the guidelines I use is adapted from Stanford Wong on craps (Yes. He's not the best person to take advice from...). His suggestion was never have more than 5% of your bankroll on the craps table vulnerable to a 7-out. My adaptation is I like to do plays where I can never lose more than 5% of my net worth.

That way any one theft won't hurt.

Yes. I miss out when the $100K progressive drops early for a $90K win. Can't win'em all... :-(

(11) By being crazy-paranoid about this, even though my cars have had 7 break-ins, I've never lost more than $200 in this type of theft.
However other types of thefts have occurred.

(A) One casino booted me with $3,000 in points (was trying to race with a friend who had over 1 million points). I didn't think it would have been productive to sue them with a lawyer (costing $400-800/hr). That's another reason I rarely let points or comps rise above $150 for very long. If I accumulate $1,000 in points during a play, I cash most on the same day (but I also try to keep at least $100 in points on my cards). Sometimes it's impossible (or unwise for image purposes) to cash out most of the comps...

(B) Theft from temporary partnerships with APs may happen (especially if one person is not being watched during part/all of the play). Sometimes $1,000-3,000. Usually I keep track of the amounts, and consider it a "cost of business." With some people who have a track record of theft, they are never left alone during a play.

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Good luck everyone.
Last edited by: mamat on Jan 15, 2019
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January 15th, 2019 at 3:10:58 AM permalink
I thought I posted this before but apparently not. There are plenty of places to keep money. Casino front money accounts, safe deposit box at a bank, actual bank account, bonds or other investments, sportsbook mobile apps (at least in Nevada), gold/silver, and I'm sure I'm forgetting other stuff. If you trust someone else enough (like a parent), you could leave cash at their place too -- and it'd only get stolen by some freak accident (eg: not specifically targeted b/c they know there's cash there) or if your parents wanna screw you for whatever reason. I'm sure there are plenty of other ways to hide money that I'm not remembering right now.

You could even make a deal with another trusted AP, to where you're splitting action on either getting robbed, up to (example) $20k. So if one gets robbed for $20k or more, then the other has to fork over $10k. Obviously not something you should do with just anyone, but if you trust each other, then it's free insurance.

Also, if you're hiding money at home, in your car, or even on yourself, one way to possibly minimize the damage is to have a decoy. If you have a bunch of cash in the trunk of your car, leave $500 or $1,000 in the center console -- that's probably the first place a thief will look...and after finding the loot, hopefully they'll leave without looking for the real enchilada. If you have cash at home, leave $5k in the most likely drawer to be searched drawer. Carry a give-up wallet with a couple hundred bucks that you can give someone if you get mugged.

It's less about preventing getting robbed but moreso -- when you get robbed, you don't wanna get taken for all the loot you got.

But the most important part is to be careful when you're in the casino. Watch out for shady characters or even regular people that're giving you attention. It's also a good idea to get a PO box and use that for everything, at least casino stuff. Doesn't take much for an employee to recognize you as a big player, check your address, and give that to an accomplice.
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January 15th, 2019 at 3:30:14 AM permalink
Quote: RS

It's also a good idea to get a PO box and use that for everything, at least casino stuff. Doesn't take much for an employee to recognize you as a big player, check your address, and give that to an accomplice.

For big players, PO Box won't be a protection against employees figuring out your address.

Slot players need to give an address for W-2s ($1,200).
Most Indian casinos will probably Google you for any slot jackpot over $2,500 or $5,000.
I've been quizzed by friendly slot staff with details only available from Social Media...and told by the staff that their boss was behind the questioning.

Most addresses can be obtained for free using "full name" or "reverse telephone" search.
piplDOTcom (2004), intellius (2003), and similar websites.

People can also cause trouble with slot cards. One casino had a problem with about 200-300 stolen players cards and Google (or other search techniques).
To fix that problem, their players cards do NOT have full name anyone (first name & last initial). If you see casinos that do this, that's the scam they are protecting against.

Harrahs had a problem with stolen Seven Stars cards, so my host recommended using low-status cards in machines, and saving the high-status cards for restaurants & hotel functions. Many casinos are not sensitive to this. The slot machines actually show card level as you are playing, so staff can see who the high-status players are...but allows easier identification for card-thieves. One casino refused to print a low-status card for me!!
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January 15th, 2019 at 4:04:13 AM permalink
I had no idea all of this protection was necessary for being an AP. The more I hear about it from everyone, the less appealing it sounds...

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