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April 9th, 2018 at 7:25:02 PM permalink
I think ZK is playing you all. He tries to get a rise out of everyone and it works. He says the same thing over and over and you guys reply the same way. ZK gets his kicks posting here. He is harmless!
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April 9th, 2018 at 8:09:15 PM permalink
As to the original question, some of you know I'm somewhat of a fitness buff. I just hiked 28 miles in the Grand Canyon in 15 hours on Saturday. On these huge calorie-burning hikes it is important to eat as much as you can. When you do something huge you don't feel hungry and you have to fight it and eat anyway. Same with water, you have to drink before you get thirsty.

That said, dried fruit are a good source of calories in a small package. I think you would see backpackers, who need to maximize calorie to weight ratios, often carry them. However, for the average person who gets little exercise and could stand to lose some weight, I would stay away from them. There might be some vitamin benefit but it is far outweighed by the cost of calorie consumption. Health and longevity are highly correlated to a low body weight. For that reason, except if you're running a marathon or something like that, I would avoid dried fruit.
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April 10th, 2018 at 3:58:23 AM permalink
Fruit is a matter of fibers and sugars, mainly fructose which dissociates to sucrose.
I've already posted the Apples, Applesauce, Apple juice gradient. Rehydrating the dried fruit is important but most people ingest them as a snack food such as a Trail Mix with no re-hydration

I agree with the upthread comments about "less than optimal" not necessarily being bad, but its a bit like tire inflation there is a wide range of damage done prior to getting a "flat tire" and even then, its only flat on the bottom.
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April 12th, 2018 at 6:00:10 AM permalink
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Dieting is definitely all about changing eating habits but it is really hard. Skinny people dont understand just how hard. I can fully understand why smokers can't stop smoking or druggies can't stop drugs.

Last year I stopped drinking pop and substituted some other drinks. I was content for 100 days. But I went right back to it. Some of the reason for me to not eat as well as I should is cost. I am poor and we try to keep our food budget down. I love fajitas and could probably eat them every day. They are pretty healthy if you make them right, but it would cost us about $16 per dinner to do that. Or we can make spaghetti or sloppy joe and French fries for about $6. 1 is way healthier but I just can't afford that right now.

Same with snacks. I could buy fruits and veggies and spend $25 a week or I can buy pretzels and other foods like that for $6 a week.



I meant to respond to this before.

One thing ZK is right about is that intermittent fasting works wonders. It also has secondary benefits like preventing dementia so, if nothing else, your kids won't have to become your baby sitter one day.

Last i checked, not eating was free.

For me, doing 24 hours a couple times a week is easier but i think most people find doing 16 hours most days easier. Don't snack before bed. Skip breakfast (most people aren't really hungry in the morning) and you win.

I agree that junk food is like a drug. That makes things harder, especially since it leaves you feeling hungry.

As i mentioned earlier, you don't have to become a fitness nazi or have washboard abs. It's fine to do well for a while, then slack off, then get motivated again. That's how it is in areas that are not your strong suit or that don't come naturally. I'm like that with working out and... Many many things. But maybe reread your posts about how excited you were to be eating well. The novelty and excitement wore off. That's natural. But you can get some of it back.

Lastly, if you buy whatever is on sale, produce is pretty damn cheap. Almost anything tastes good with olive oil, salt, pepper, garlic, onions, hot sauce, parmesan cheese or whatever seasonings you like.

Eggs are damn near free. Hard boiled eggs with some salt... Tasty and healthy, especially for men. Beans are also basically free. You can make like 2 gallons of chili for a few bucks. Etc.
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April 12th, 2018 at 6:40:47 AM permalink
Many years ago someone told me the easiest diet that works is simple...... No calories from liquids, and no calories after dinner. Juices, smoothies, coffee with 4 creams and 3 sugars, all are loaded with useless calories. It is simple in concept, but hard to actually adhere to.
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April 12th, 2018 at 6:58:08 AM permalink
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Eggs are damn near free. Hard boiled eggs with some salt... Tasty and healthy, especially for men. Beans are also basically free. You can make like 2 gallons of chili for a few bucks. Etc.

Ever try peeling those darn hard boiled eggs...frustration and annoyance drives me to consume 5000 calories of booze. Eggs and mayonnaise taste okay for a day perhaps two, but then it gets tiresome.

Two gallons of chili.... I'm still under a court order obtained by the ASPCA that prevents me from throwing my chili in the dumpster where wild animals might eat it.

This 5:2 diet does seem to work but two days of fasting is harder than two days of markedly reduced caloric intake which seems to work just as well.

I wish I could find a source of culinary flower petals but the costs are so high.
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April 12th, 2018 at 7:53:34 AM permalink
Gonna give carnivore a try. Only animal products such as offal, cheese, dairy. Most seem to use ground beef or fatty steaks as their main source of calories. 1.5 - 3 lbs. per day. Throw in some salmon, sardines, and eggs to hit nearly all micronutrients.

No plants.

Going to see how it affects my heart calcium, insulin and cholesterol particle numbers - all of which are dangerously bad right now.
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April 12th, 2018 at 8:03:26 AM permalink
Those saying fasting is hard is because they never tried it and their bodies are so accustomed to eating all the time. Once you start fasting reguarly, you'll notice your body will adjust to however timetable you set for eating. You'll soon realize eating is more about habits and your conditioning your body to eat at a certain time. If you start fasting for 20 horus each day for a month, youll soon realize you dont get hungry until that 20 hour mark. Problem is everyone is so conditioned to eat all day long, so they get hungry all day long and they think that's how it's supposed to be. Not to mention the garbage misinformation spread by the media about 'starvation mode' and all that garbage that has been debunked time and time again.
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April 12th, 2018 at 8:04:34 AM permalink
Most juice is just as bad as soda - it's all sugar water.

But something that helped me get myself off Soda, is drinking water with a splash of juice. It's enough sugar and flavor to scratch that itch, but FAR less than soda.
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April 12th, 2018 at 8:08:34 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Most juice is just as bad as soda - it's all sugar water.

But something that helped me get myself off Soda, is drinking water with a splash of juice. It's enough sugar and flavor to scratch that itch, but FAR less than soda.



I maybe have about 2 sodas a year. I drink only water each and every day. I don't understand why people can't just drink water? Get your flavor from food, not from liquids.
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