Health and Weight Loss
I've recently taken to having eggs, potatoes and toast for dinner. Breakfast for dinner works out fine. And I often have those oriental steamers for breakfast (you know, steam it in plastic then throw out the plastic instead of washing anything).
Quote: RigondeauxI think Tom eats more like once every 2 to 3 days.
For a few months in 2010 I would only eat once every other day. Would be completely fine on the off days so long as I took adderall. Having to rely on amphetamines just to not want to eat my own arm didn't seem like a good idea.
I counted my carbs today and I consumed a terrible 410 grams.
I think for the lifestyle change they I am going to start is to simply pay attention to carbs. I know I love bread. I bet if incant stay in the 125 g range I would drop weight quickly.
LOL. I'd keel over within ten seconds.Quote: billryanThirty seconds of jumping jacks as soon as your feet hit the floor from bed.
Quote: FleaStiffLOL. I'd keel over within ten seconds.
That's what I felt like the first time. I don't think I had done a jumping jack since my PT days back in the 80s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarrare
Following these failures, Percy fed Tarrare large quantities of soft-boiled eggs, but this also failed to suppress his appetite.[20] Efforts to keep him on any kind of controlled diet failed; he would sneak out of the hospital to scavenge for offal outside butchers' shops and to fight stray dogs for carrion in gutters, alleys and rubbish heaps.[2][17][20] He was also caught several times within the hospital drinking from patients undergoing bloodletting, and attempting to eat the bodies in the hospital mortuary.[2][17][20] O
Quote: RigondeauxTom G reminds me of the best article on Wikipedia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarrare
Following these failures, Percy fed Tarrare large quantities of soft-boiled eggs, but this also failed to suppress his appetite.[20] Efforts to keep him on any kind of controlled diet failed; he would sneak out of the hospital to scavenge for offal outside butchers' shops and to fight stray dogs for carrion in gutters, alleys and rubbish heaps.[2][17][20] He was also caught several times within the hospital drinking from patients undergoing bloodletting, and attempting to eat the bodies in the hospital mortuary.[2][17][20] O
Thanks for ruining my lunch. :)
The last paragraph is particularly gross.
Quote: Keeneone
Thanks for ruining my lunch. :)
The last paragraph is particularly gross.
Well, I guess that helps you to lose weight.
.. for some discrete supper foraging, for at least a couple of nights or maybe up to a week, depending on how his 'au naturale' style buffet entree hunter-gathering thing goes. Then when he's well & truly pillaged the chow that comes with eyeballs & gets down to the point of foraging salad greens and berries y'all can string him up or stuff him back in the tomb or whatever.Quote:...ate live cats, snakes, lizards and puppies...
...suspected of eating a toddler...
Quote: FleaStiffLucky Strikes were marketed as a weight loss aid for women.
They are a weight loss aid. First they kill you, then as you lie in that box in the ground, your body just decomposes.
You just outed yourself as a secret mod.Quote: gamerfreak
I’d take a closer look at Axel and Nathan tho
I didn't find much in the way of substantial evidence that fasting is bad. Unless you have certain health issues, are pregnant, etc.
A growing number of researchers and medical people are pretty convinced it helps weight loss, long term. Controls your appetite.
I knew it prevented dementia but it also might make you sharper now. And increase your energy levels and help with mental health.
Might slow down aging. Might prevent cancer. All because you body cleans house at the cellular level.
One issue is how long to fast. A lot of people seem to think you should go 48 hours plus a few times a year. There is some thought that the occasional 7 day fast will really do the job as far as gobbling up all the trash and preventing desease. But I've also seen it said that the benifits tapper off after 36 hours.
It sounds hard, but might not be as bad as it seems. For me doing something extreme all at once is a lot easier than, say, running several miles a week for a long time.
Fasting is fine but simple 500 calories a day is close enough.
Two days is fine too, no need to make an ordeal out of it.
Melatonin increase does pretty much the same as caloric restriction with even less of an ordeal.
And I am the most knowledgeable on this thread, same as on the Brackets thread.
Quote: FleaStiffAnd I am the most knowledgeable on this thread, same as on the Brackets thread.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!
Just decided to cut loose for a couple days. Ate whenever, without regard for fasting schedules. Tortilla chips with salsa, bean dip and a margarita were still the nuts.
It's fine. I didn't gain 12 pounds or nothing. But I do feel pretty crappy. Have that junkie feeling. I would feel a little better for a while if I ate some more fries or ice cream, but then I'd be back to craving shortly thereafter. I feel less focused too and am making more mental errors than usual. This is certainly partially attributable to the beer and weed.
Knowing what is happening, that I'm not actually hungry and that my insulin and stuff is just bouncing around, makes it fairly easy, though still unpleasant. Considering my massive intake, a 24 hour fast is in order, but I'll shoot for 36+. Which, with this timing, really just means doing 24 and then going to sleep.
However, I don't think the cheating binge is worth it. In the future, I'll generally limit cheating to 1 meal or 1 day.
Quote: RigondeauxI had a big cheating binge. Some friends from out of town. Drank beer. Took them for chili dogs. Got some edibles. Ate iced cream.
Just decided to cut loose for a couple days. Ate whenever, without regard for fasting schedules. Tortilla chips with salsa, bean dip and a margarita were still the nuts.
It's fine. I didn't gain 12 pounds or nothing. But I do feel pretty crappy. Have that junkie feeling. I would feel a little better for a while if I ate some more fries or ice cream, but then I'd be back to craving shortly thereafter. I feel less focused too and am making more mental errors than usual. This is certainly partially attributable to the beer and weed.
Knowing what is happening, that I'm not actually hungry and that my insulin and stuff is just bouncing around, makes it fairly easy, though still unpleasant. Considering my massive intake, a 24 hour fast is in order, but I'll shoot for 36+. Which, with this timing, really just means doing 24 and then going to sleep.
However, I don't think the cheating binge is worth it. In the future, I'll generally limit cheating to 1 meal or 1 day.
Black coffee with sugar and cream should fix that right up
How about black coffee with sugar and milk instead of cream?Quote: djatcBlack coffee with sugar and cream should fix that right up
LOL.
Don't worry about the visit from friends and the sabotage of your dietary rules for a day or two. Moderation in all things including good nutrition.
Atleast you notice the effect on you of the lapse. That is good.
Look at my dinner last night. Ramen noodles (no flavor packet) and probably three teaspoons of parsley, but I did get that vanadium.
Quote: RigondeauxI didn't gain 12 pounds or nothing.
If it was less than 12 pounds how could it be considered a binge?
First day of summer vacation, first of hopefully many days at the buffet, trying to reverse the up to 50-pound weight loss I suffer through during the winters
And while we're at it, how is it possible for black coffee to have milk or cream?
Biggest thing I got out of it was portion control. Where I used to have two hot pockets and a large glass of 2% milk for lunch, now I have one and a small glass of milk.
Cut out a couple hundred calories a day and in a month you'll drop a couple of pounds.
A little exercise can go a long way
Quote: TomGWhat should merit the description of being too tired and busy to eat and exercise?
I don't think I've ever been too busy or tired to not eat if I actually wanted to.
Exercise is a different matter, but when push comes to shove if you can only get in 15-20 min a day you're good.
Quote: billryanI recently spent six months on Nutri System, where I followed the plan about 90% of the time. It was good but very expensive and the menu got tedious after a few months. I now eat about a third of my meals with their packages.
Biggest thing I got out of it was portion control. Where I used to have two hot pockets and a large glass of 2% milk for lunch, now I have one and a small glass of milk.
Cut out a couple hundred calories a day and in a month you'll drop a couple of pounds.
A little exercise can go a long way
Slim fast and nutra system always seemed like portion control for dummies that made you pay dearly for it.
I guess some people need a super controlled regimented diet.
Quote: gamerfreakSlim fast and nutra system always seemed like portion control for dummies that made you pay dearly for it.
I guess some people need a super controlled regimented diet.
I don't have any weight issues but I drink a Slim Fast shake (generic) pretty much every morning. For less than a $1 it provides 10 grams of protein and 160 calories which gets me through the morning without eating anything.
Quote: DRichI don't have any weight issues but I drink a Slim Fast shake (generic) pretty much every morning. For less than a $1 it provides 10 grams of protein and 160 calories which gets me through the morning without eating anything.
I have a feeling you could get the same thing for like $0.25 with a powdered protein shake, but if the convenience/brand are worth the extra money, nothing wrong with that.
Quote: gamerfreakI have a feeling you could get the same thing for like $0.25 with a powdered protein shake, but if the convenience/brand are worth the extra money, nothing wrong with that.
You are correct, for me it is about convenience. I don't want to have to buy milk and dirty a glass each morning. I usually drink mine in the car on the way to the office.
I don't know anyone it hasn't worked for, but I am the only one I know who tried it.
- Wake up every morning and take a 1 hour walk / jog on an empty stomach. You body will use your stored fat as energy to burn.
- Eat only protein (eggs, chicken, fish, etc ..not fried), fruits, and vegetables. Small portions several times a day. You may eat just a very small portion of carbs at some point during day. Limit the calories to under 2000.. preferably 1500 depending on how much you work out.
- Work out 3-4 times a week with weight training.. high reps and high intensity intervals.
- Drink only water.
Mind over matter. If you dont mind, then it doesnt matter. If you have the will power... You can do it! I promise you that you will see results. You want abs? You want to get lean? Want to be fit? Then do it! Its not easy, but if it were easy, everyone would be fit.
Who was that Commedienne who used to joke about her having to wipe her lipstick off the milk carton before guests arrived. Not dirtying a glass each time is good, even if you have a dishwasher.Quote: DRichYou are correct, for me it is about convenience. I don't want to have to buy milk and dirty a glass each morning.
Quote: WatchMeWinMind over matter. If you dont mind, then it doesnt matter. If you have the will power... You can do it! I promise you that you will see results. You want abs? You want to get lean? Want to be fit? Then do it! Its not easy, but if it were easy, everyone would be fit.
There is a gold standard though, but as far as I know no one has found it. It's the teen or 20 something who when you walk up to and ask them how they maintain their weight, they tell you they eat whatever they want, do activities they like, and couldn't gain weight if they tried.
Sell that and you'll be a billionaire.
Quote: DRichYou are correct, for me it is about convenience. I don't want to have to buy milk and dirty a glass each morning. I usually drink mine in the car on the way to the office.
Just re-use the same glass every day. That's something most people don't understand -- if you're going to make a protein shake in the same glass every day, you don't need to clean it. Why would you? It's the same thing going into the glass every day.
I drank a lot of slim fast back in my high school days. They're pretty convenient and yeah. Making shakes is absolute trash though because you gotta spend time doing stuff, ain't nobody got time fo' dat dot gif. Plus, if the difference is 75c a day, that's approximately $273.9375 per year.
Quote: billryanI'm not aware of a protein shake that cost a quarter a shake.
Just blend up a quarter of a $1 ribeye. That ought to be good for about 7 grams of protein. Like you don't know.🤑😜
Quote: FleaStiffHow about black coffee with sugar and milk instead of cream?
LOL.
Don't worry about the visit from friends and the sabotage of your dietary rules for a day or two. Moderation in all things including good nutrition.
Atleast you notice the effect on you of the lapse. That is good.
Look at my dinner last night. Ramen noodles (no flavor packet) and probably three teaspoons of parsley, but I did get that vanadium.
I gotta meet you at some point. You have such an interesting take on things. You either really do live the poor life or you portray it well.
Actually I try to conceal my poverty from you guys. IF the ticker lasts to next Spring Fling, I'll be there. Probably won't have a bankroll but I'll be there. Looks like I'll be in my local Seminole rip off joint in a few months if I can skip more dinners. And I might even make the Victory Ship or even Biloxi a few months after that.Quote: GWAEI gotta meet you at some point. You have such an interesting take on things. You either really do live the poor life or you portray it well.
Quote: billryanI'm not aware of a protein shake that cost a quarter a shake.
Hm a 5lb tub of powder makes less shakes than I thought
Its not only spillage and spoilage but remember that protein powder from whey is different than other powders.Quote: gamerfreakHm a 5lb tub of powder makes less shakes than I thought
I would think slowly absorbable food is better than quickly flooding the blood stream with instantly soluble powders.
Quote: ZenKinGYou do realize all fruit has sugar right. Just depends what kind of sugar youre referring to. Processed garbage sugar = glucose = bad. Natural occurring sugar = fructose = good.
There is absolutely nothing good about fructose if you look into its metabolic pathways. And your body still recognizes it as sugar which releases insulin. Insulin spikes are one of the worst things as far as your health and weight is concerned.
Glucose is what your body breaks down virtually all sugars to. So saying processed sugar is bad because of glucose is not exactly accurate.
Quote: TigerWuStarvation mode (as ZK refers to it) is a myth, and does not relate to ketosis. It is "fatlogic" that states that if you cut calories too much, your body thinks it is starving and will "hold on" to fat, not let you lose weight, and eventually GAIN weight.
This is obviously nonsense, otherwise concentration camps would have been full of fat people.
It is a simple function of metabolism. And it is 100% true. The less you eat, the more your metabolism will slow. Obviously your metabolism cannot slow enough to overcome complete starvation, so your conjecture in relation to concentration camps isn't really relevant.
Calorie cutting is a short term solution to weight loss that leads to yo-yo dieting. Plus it is ineffective by comparison to other methods. Calorie cutting below your BMR just leads to muscle wasting, muscle wasting has a compound effect on the decreased metabolism you're creating by cutting calories in the first place. Muscle increases metabolism just by virtue of it consuming more energy to support itself. Everytime you make a calorie cut, your metabolism adjusts, then you have to make another calorie cut because results stop due to the change in metabolism. This cycle continues until you cannot cut any more calories, or add any more physical activity. Or you get lucky enough to reach your goal before these things occur, and then you add calories back to maintain weight, which actually leads to fat gain due the decreased and possibly damaged metabolism. Hence the yo-yo.
The healthier and more efficient long term alternative, is macro control. A higher calorie diet induces more metabolic activity which is the true leader of fat loss. Adjusting macros to a high protein ratio ensures the least amount of muscle wasting which also supports healthy metabolism. And decreasing carb ratio for HEALTHY fat ratio, gives your body less ability to store fat, and forces it to burn more fat for energy, double whammy.
It's very rare I would ever have a client do ketogenic dieting. Usually I do carb cycling. But the biggest issue with ketogenic diets, is that most people think they can just eat bacon and steaks, and they never stop to consider whether they are eating any healthy fats. The idea of keto is not to cut calories, it is to replace all carb calories with healthy fat calories. Your body actually does not need carbs at all to function, however it does need a source of energy. If saturated fats is all you give it, then you're giving it a pretty shitty energy source. On keto you should be going through jars of all natural peanut butter like crazy.
For the guys with high cholesterol. You NEED a good fibre supplement. The best one on the market is Fibrelyze by Species nutrition. This will bring down your bad cholesterol numbers better than any statin drug ever could in 99% of cases(myself included). When cholesterol levels out, so will blood pressure.
Salt. the most overblown BS health risk currently being reported. Salt is a majorly important mineral for your body. Salts are responsible for healthy nutrient transport through cells. Salt in relation to high blood pressure is a misnomer. High blood pressure is virtually always caused by other factors like high cholesterol. And cholesterol is generally caused by shitty carb intake and lack of fibre. Solve the cholesterol issue and the blood pressure becomes a non issue, and you can consume a good amount of salt then.
Quote: ZenKinG
It's not WHAT you eat. It's HOW MUCH you eat and this is accomplished through fasting once again.
Absolutely 100% false and inaccurate. WHAT you eat, has a WAY greater effect on your body composition than how much you eat. Any bodybuilder or fitness competitor in the world can tell you that.
You seem to have a big hard on for this intermittent fasting fad. That's cool if it works for you. But as far as fat loss goes, there is better options. If it is sustainable because of its convenience, well there is something to be said about convenience. The best diet in the world won't work if you don't stick to it. So power to you if IM works for you. But the statement quoted above is completely false, and you shouldn't be spreading misinformation like that just to spread the IM fad.
So, I'm now on a mission to lose that 5 pounds and the other 9 pounds that need to go.
My approach, which works for me is pretty simple.....
No Jack Daniels or wine and only one beer per day ( if I've earned it *)
Use only an 8 inch plate. No dining out and no take-away food.
Each morning, just after using the toilet, I weigh myself. If I'm any heavier than the day before, then I consume nothing except tea, coffee and fruit that day! *
It's not scientific and technically, I could gain weight from fruit, but it never happens.
The basis is that I can't gain permanent weight from tea and coffee and probably won't gain weight from just fruit. The fruit days are light punishment, but I let myself gorge on nice fresh fruit.
On the days when I am permitting myself to eat 'normally' I'm conscious of the shitty day I'll have to suffer if I eat too much.
Works for me.
You seem to have enjoyed my comment about ramen noodles and parsley that I decided to have it for dinner again tonight. Of course I didn't have much else to choose from. I did add some onion powder and some ginger as well.Quote: GWAE. You either really do live the poor life or you portray it well.
I'd like to add beer to my weight loss regimen but its hard to find a good one and its even harder estimate historical consumption because real beer spoils promptly and a great deal that was produced was dumped. One can't just take beer produced and divide by the population, too much was dumped.
Quote: FleaStiffYou seem to have enjoyed my comment about ramen noodles and parsley that I decided to have it for dinner again tonight. Of course I didn't have much else to choose from. I did add some onion powder and some ginger as well.
I'd like to add beer to my weight loss regimen but its hard to find a good one and its even harder estimate historical consumption because real beer spoils promptly and a great deal that was produced was dumped.
My first business that I owed was in 2001. I wasnt doing real well and I ate ramen almost everyday for 3 months. I would buy it at walmart for something like .11 a package. I would eat 1 for lunch and 2 for dinner. Aernt there something like 23 grams of fat in one package or something like that? Maybe that is the beginning to my fatness.
I don't even know if the word protein appears on the package but if it does the weight of the ink that spells "protein" is probably more than the weight of the actual protein.
Nothing helps my diet more than a malfunctioning dish washer. Throwing out a plastic ramen wrapper is so easy. Or I will splash some cherry juice into a half empty cottage cheese container and then toss the whole container into the garbage rather than have to wash a plate.
Life can be simple for the lazy. Now if only I could afford Ashwagandha Powder, chicory, and flower petals.
Quote: rxwineThere is a gold standard though, but as far as I know no one has found it. It's the teen or 20 something who when you walk up to and ask them how they maintain their weight, they tell you they eat whatever they want, do activities they like, and couldn't gain weight if they tried.
Sell that and you'll be a billionaire.
You can eat whatever you what and not gain a pound, as long as you eat it within your total daily calorie expenditure. I've heard it said thusly: "I can eat ANYthing I want, not EVERYthing I want."
That's why you see skinny people eating junk food and candy and not gaining a pound. They're eating whatever they want, but not enough of it to gain weight. Then when these skinny teens get older, and get jobs, and start making money, they can afford to buy more food at the grocery store, and go out to eat a restaurants more and eat high calorie meals, and then bam! 30 years later you have an obese 50 year old.
It's true that your metabolism slows down as you age, but that effect is minimal and not as extreme as people make it out to be. You lose about 100-150 calories TDEE per day per DECADE, which is not that much, and easily manageable. That's 10-15 calories per day per YEAR that you would have to cut back on to maintain your weight and not gain anything.
That's the "secret."
Now where's my billions? :)
