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July 4th, 2018 at 12:45:19 AM permalink
Day 1 (July 3) of my Keto-Free diet:

Test subject isn’t feeling any ill side effects. Test subject consumed from Chipotle: bowl with black beans, chicken, 2 salsas, sour cream, cheese, and guacamole with an iced tea. No rice nor chips. :( A few bottles of water during the day.

Subject is about to eat at In N Out - 3x3, protein style, extra onions because they’re GOAT, and an iced tea.

Side note: In N Out employee now thinks test subject is a hippy. Test subject is considering quitting as he doesn’t want to be associated with hippyisms.

How long can I go keto-free? O/U 2.5 days.
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July 4th, 2018 at 1:42:19 AM permalink
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well she is overweight and not particularly concerned about it so not much help there.

One tough thing for us poor folk is buying healthy food. It gets quite expensive to eat well for a family of four. Right now we are spending about 250 a month on food. When I tried eating healthy that jumped up to over 400 a month. We just cant swing that right now. Maybe in the near future but not right now.

You only spend 250 a month on food with 2 adults and 2 kids????????

You claim both adults in the household are overweight and you probably spend $75 on soda alone. This leads me to believe you must be starving the rugrats.


We must spend at least $100 a week on food from the grocery store for 2 people, on top of that we(I) probably eat out on avrage once a day 6 days week. I actully went shopping myself tonight on my way home and only got about 1/2 the stuff I needed and it was $88. I didn't even buy any meat products. I did splurge on a $6 jar of sundried tomatoes and a $5 jar pesto stuff. that food won't last a week.

Eating an Apple cinnamon toaster Strudel now...Sooo goood!!


Sorry to hear you are back on the crack. Was it the bottle of coke I gave you as a gift when you got to Vegas that did it? muahahahaha (-:

I love my Coke as well. I am going to get a mini fridge upstairs so I don't have to keep sending the Wifey downstairs to get me one, that way she won't have to travel so far to get me one and ill get it much faster.

Have you thought about getting the Minni cans so you won't feel the need to drink whats in a bigger unit just because it's open and at your fingertips?

A big bag of frozen chicken breasts are fairly cheap, there are so many ways you can prepare and use chicken and I believe that's fairly healthy.
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July 4th, 2018 at 1:59:26 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Day 1 (July 3) of my Keto-Free diet:

I think you meant ketogenic diet.

Watch that "iced tea" stuff. Its often made with sugar or aspartame or other bad stuff. Salsa should not be dosed with sugar but in many restaurants it surely is.

So enjoy becoming a thin hippie.
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July 4th, 2018 at 3:16:41 AM permalink
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We must spend at least $100 a week on food from the grocery store for 2 people,

My wife draws £250 from the ATM every week on shopping day. She then buys the shopping on credit card. It used to be £200 till we got a gardener. Go figure.

Meanwhile, back to topic....
$6 for sun-dried tomatoes!!!!! Monster jar? Premium brand? Black market? :o)

I was curious and did some grocery comparisons Walmart US versus Asda UK. First thing I noticed was that your stores seem to sell lots of food in 24oz and 28oz cans: Almost unheard of here where we use 14oz cans.

Your potatoes for $2.47 for 5lb bag compared to £1.50=$2
Your dried pasta seems to be about $2 for 16oz compared to 45p=60c here!!!!
Your cheap basmati rice about $3.25 for 16 oz compared to £1=$1.32 here!
Your Frozen chicken breast about £19.80 for 10 lb compared to about £22=$29
Your frozen lean ground beef about $5.40 compared to about £3.30=$4.36 That surprised me.
Uncle Ben's Microwave Rice $1.84 compared to £1=$1.32


So, quick and dirty observations .....
1. Staple foods like pasta, rice, potatoes MUCH cheaper in UK

2.Frozen Chicken MUCH cheaper in USA

3.Frozen beef products cheaper in UK. That did shock me.

4.'Convenience foods' like, satchets of Uncle Ben rice were MUCH more expensive in the USA.

I suspect that refrigeration costs push up your prices for frozen food and that your retailers have pushed up convenience prices because you embrace convenience. While both sides of the pond have lots of choice, you clearly have the edge.

Why don't you guys embrace metrication? We did in the 70's and makes cost comparison so much easier.

Would anyone be interested in a proper and thorough grocery price comparison exercise?



Finally

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July 4th, 2018 at 4:25:59 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear



3.

Why don't you guys embrace metrication? We did in the 70's and makes cost comparison so much easier.



Because it is a silly and soulless system for day to day use. For example there is no reasonable way to measure a person's height.

I'm sure cost comparisons are about as easy in any one system as another. X per ounce. X per kilo deci hectare.
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July 4th, 2018 at 4:36:07 AM permalink
The metric system is beyond trash. The only time when the metric system MIGHT be better than Freedom Units is for science and stuff. But other than that, why do you wrongly think metric system is superior?

The argument I hear all the time is about converting. Yeah -- so what? If you're told to drive 3 miles down the road and for some reason you decide it's a good decision to convert that figure into feet....you gotta bigger problems. It reminds me of Michael Scott (The Office) in the following scene, skip to 2:18 --

https://youtu.be/ssIY8NYwvh4?t=138
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July 4th, 2018 at 5:45:57 AM permalink
We seem at a slight tangent on this thread. Sorry.
Quote: RS

The metric system is beyond trash. The only time when the metric system MIGHT be better than Freedom Units is for science and stuff. But other than that, why do you wrongly think metric system is superior?

The argument I hear all the time is about converting. Yeah -- so what? If you're told to drive 3 miles down the road and for some reason you decide it's a good decision to convert that figure into feet....you gotta bigger problems. It reminds me of Michael Scott (The Office) in the following scene, skip to 2:18 --

https://youtu.be/ssIY8NYwvh4?t=138

we still use miles and yards and feet and inches. Whatever fits the task. Indeed we express human weight in stones and pounds where you use pounds. Building out a house is easier with all dimensions in metres or centimeters than feet and inches. No-one pisses about with decimetres... Or hectares etc.
One nice feature is that liquid measure of fluids in litres pretty much matches with weight. None of this pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter crap. A litre of water weighs a kilogram. A Ton of water will fit in a space 1mx1mx1m ( so a ton of topsoil probably will too )
It's not about converting from metric to imperial ( funny you like units from our empire ) It's about doing maths within one unit. Eg. how many 1 foot 3 inch pieces of wood can you get from a beam 3 yards 2 foot 6 long.
I know, silly example, but easier to use done with some level of decimalisation how many 1.25 foot pieces from 11.5 foot is easier to stick in the calculator even if it's still in feet and not meters.
Where different types of food are expressed in different units, it adds to the chore. How many 28 Oz cans of tomato puree to a gallon of pasta sauce... God knows and who cares. Mind you, we can't even agree what a gallon is.
Wasn't Apollo 13 almost lost because of different measurement systems? Haven't rockets been lost because of botched conversions? pound per square inch thrust etc.
Metric NASA
Working on my old car demanded imperial spanners 9/16th inch 5/8th inch etc. Useless on European cars. What do you use on American cars?

Freedom units. Lol.

You can have our old discarded currency units if you like... 12 pennies in a shilling and twenty of those in a pound. We had useful coins of 3 pence 6 pence 12 pence and 30 pence and of course the ten Bob note. Prices used to be expressed in pounds shillings and pence which defied calculations.
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July 4th, 2018 at 6:16:02 AM permalink
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we still use miles and yards and feet and inches. Whatever fits the task. Indeed we express human weight in stones and pounds where you use pounds. Building out a house is easier with all dimensions in metres or centimeters than feet and inches. No-one pisses about with decimetres... Or hectares etc.
One nice feature is that liquid measure of fluids in litres pretty much matches with weight. None of this pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter crap. A litre of water weighs a kilogram.
Where different types of food are expressed in different units, it adds to the chore. How many 28 Oz cans of tomato puree to a gallon of pasta sauce... God knows and who cares.
Freedom units. Lol.
You can have our old discarded currency units if you like... 12 pennies in a shilling and twenty of those in a pound. We had useful coins of 3 pence 6 pence 12 pence and 30 pence and of course the ten Bob note. Prices used to be expressed in pounds shillings and pence which defied calculations.


Thank you for agreeing with me. :)

Who cares how much a litre or gallon of water weighs? What happens when you're at altitude or the water is under pressure or it's a different temperature? Nevermind, nobody cares.

100 centimeters are in 1 meter, right? Okay, so how many cubic centimeters are in a cubic meter? It's a lot easier to mess up and say "100", even though it's really 1,000,000.

What happens when something says decameters and you interpreted it as decimeters? Well now you're off by a factor of 100.


Wait -- you guys still use miles, yards, feet, and inches!? Wow, that's even more messed up, to use two sets of measuring systems. I mean, we occasionally use grams (mostly with drugs) or on food labels. But on this better side of the pond, no one says grams or litres or any other European nonsense.
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July 4th, 2018 at 6:36:08 AM permalink
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Thank you for agreeing with me. :)

I'm not a purist. I still have a 7 inch willy and no idea what it is in metric :o)
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Who cares how much a litre or gallon of water weighs?

The guy who has to carry it across the building site.
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What happens when you're at altitude or the water is under pressure or it's a different temperature? Nevermind, nobody cares.

Well, scientists and accountants maybe
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100 centimeters are in 1 meter, right? Okay, so how many cubic centimeters are in a cubic meter? It's a lot easier to mess up and say "100", even though it's really 1,000,000.

You'd use cubic metres when measuring your concrete and cubic centimetres when measuring your cough syrup but much more likely to use litres or mililitres as they are the proper unit of volume. Not much call for conversion there.
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What happens when something says decameters and you interpreted it as decimeters?

deca and deci were part of the old SI system and no-one uses them at all now. cm are used for their convenient size but mostly we just use kilometre, and millimetre and nothing else. If you thought we uses deca and deci, then I'd understand you despising the system. But honestly, we don't. They never caught on at all.

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Wait -- you guys still use miles, yards, feet, and inches!?

not generally together. I might walk a mile, or I might walk 50 yards or I might lay a 6 foot piece of carpet. or my wife might be 5 foot 6 inches. If it's a mile and a half into town then I'd say it was a mile and a half, not 1 mile and 880 yards.
If I run 2.5km on the running machine, then that's what I'd call it, or 2500 metres.

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Wow, that's even more messed up, to use two sets of measuring systems. I mean, we occasionally use grams (mostly with drugs) or on food labels. But on this better side of the pond, no one says grams or litres or any other European nonsense.

I agree. It's messed up. Old folks had to adjust. Kids struggle to understand us sometimes.
Horse races here are in furlongs where that's an 1/8 of a mile or 440 yards. But humans race in hundreds of metres except when running a 26 mile marathon.
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July 4th, 2018 at 7:39:56 AM permalink
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. But on this better side of the pond, no one says grams or litres or any other European nonsense.



Not true, most soda sold in plastic bottles here are 2 liters.
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July 4th, 2018 at 8:54:03 AM permalink
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You only spend 250 a month on food with 2 adults and 2 kids????????

You claim both adults in the household are overweight and you probably spend $75 on soda alone. This leads me to believe you must be starving the rugrats.


We must spend at least $100 a week on food from the grocery store for 2 people, on top of that we(I) probably eat out on avrage once a day 6 days week. I actully went shopping myself tonight on my way home and only got about 1/2 the stuff I needed and it was $88. I didn't even buy any meat products. I did splurge on a $6 jar of sundried tomatoes and a $5 jar pesto stuff. that food won't last a week.

Eating an Apple cinnamon toaster Strudel now...Sooo goood!!


Sorry to hear you are back on the crack. Was it the bottle of coke I gave you as a gift when you got to Vegas that did it? muahahahaha (-:

I love my Coke as well. I am going to get a mini fridge upstairs so I don't have to keep sending the Wifey downstairs to get me one, that way she won't have to travel so far to get me one and ill get it much faster.

Have you thought about getting the Minni cans so you won't feel the need to drink whats in a bigger unit just because it's open and at your fingertips?

A big bag of frozen chicken breasts are fairly cheap, there are so many ways you can prepare and use chicken and I believe that's fairly healthy.



We try to eat on a budget plus I use coupons a lot. I made a huge pot of my "famous" spaghetti sauce. It cost my approx $25 to make the pot and we will get about 12 meals out of that. We eat spaghetti at least 1 time a week. The other day we had hot dogs, mac and cheese, and a veggy. That meal cost a total of $4.50.
We spend about $20-25 a month on pop. I eat a peanut butter sandwich and pretzels for lunch every day. Bread for the week is .99, bag of pretzels $2, and peanut butter lasts a month for $4 so I spend $15 a month on lunch.

Btw I dont count eating out against our food budget. We went to burger king yesterday and I had coupons. 2 whopper jr meals for $5. Used 2 of them so our total was $10.70 for dinner but that cMe our of entertainment budget.
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July 4th, 2018 at 9:10:36 AM permalink
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We try to eat on a budget plus I use coupons a lot. I made a huge pot of my "famous" spaghetti sauce. It cost my approx $25 to make the pot and we will get about 12 meals out of that.

Nom nom nom. Do you add chicken livers? How about carrots? I'll swap recipes with you, so long as you promise there's no mushrooms in it :)$25 sounds a bit expensive, I guess that's mostly meat and wine?
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We spend about $20-25 a month on pop. I eat a peanut butter sandwich and pretzels for lunch every day. Bread for the week is .99, bag of pretzels $2, and peanut butter lasts a month for $4 so I spend $15 a month on lunch.

$15 a month for lunch is impressive but how many bodies are glugging that $25 of pop, which seems a lot ( unless it's a premium brand)
When I was working, I was the first to seriously adopt the microwave instead of just warming up ready meals. It's amazing what you can cook in one for next to nothing.
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Btw I dont count eating out against our food budget. We went to burger king yesterday and I had coupons. 2 whopper jr meals for $5. Used 2 of them so our total was $10.70 for dinner but that cMe our of entertainment budget.

If it goes in my tummy, I don't look at the price. Drives the wife nuts.
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July 4th, 2018 at 9:18:09 AM permalink
I am very frugal when it comes to certain things. My wife and I regularly eat Totino's frozen pizza. They can regularly be found for $1 when on sale. We cut it in four pieces and each eat two. The perfect light dinner for 50 cents each.
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July 4th, 2018 at 9:46:03 AM permalink
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and peanut butter lasts a month for $4



Do you get the all-natural peanut butter? Costs the same as regular peanut butter, but it has no sugar in it at all. Tastes way better, too.

There's another quick weight loss tip for anyone who eats peanut butter regularly.
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July 4th, 2018 at 12:20:57 PM permalink
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Not true, most soda sold in plastic bottles here are 2 liters.

I bought a 2L bottle of carbonated sugar water at Walmart (I forget what 'flavor') and it appeared to have several strands of dental floss in it. Walmart quite unperturbed by this, of course.

Totino's Pizza?? Why not just put a free packet of ketchup on some cardboard and save yourself the fifty cents?
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July 4th, 2018 at 3:03:34 PM permalink
Yo what’s like normal food that I can eat while supporting the Ketogenic-Cult? Like at McDonalds, Burger King, or casino gift shops. Or Subway.
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July 4th, 2018 at 3:07:23 PM permalink
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Do you get the all-natural peanut butter? Costs the same as regular peanut butter, but it has no sugar in it at all. Tastes way better, too.

There's another quick weight loss tip for anyone who eats peanut butter regularly.



I have never tried it. I dont think I even realized there was sugar in peanut butter. I eat jif creamy.

I just looked. There is 8gm carbs and 3 sugars. Doesnt seem like too much and that is 2 tbls. I dont use that much.

Although sometimes I will crumble up potatoe chips and put them in the sandwhich.
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July 4th, 2018 at 3:13:11 PM permalink
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Nom nom nom. Do you add chicken livers? How about carrots? I'll swap recipes with you, so long as you promise there's no mushrooms in it :)$25 sounds a bit expensive, I guess that's mostly meat and wine?
$15 a month for lunch is impressive but how many bodies are glugging that $25 of pop, which seems a lot ( unless it's a premium brand)
When I was working, I was the first to seriously adopt the microwave instead of just warming up ready meals. It's amazing what you can cook in one for next to nothing.If it goes in my tummy, I don't look at the price. Drives the wife nuts.



I actually make 2 large pots at once. I think they are each 5 qt.

There are lots of mushrooms, peppers, and onions in it. I also use ground meat and some sausage.

It is 2 people for the pop. 2 liters can be found for $1. We go through maybe 8 2 liters in a month plus some 16 oz bottles that we buy for parties or pool time.
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July 4th, 2018 at 3:17:20 PM permalink
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Yo what’s like normal food that I can eat while supporting the Ketogenic-Cult? Like at McDonalds, Burger King, or casino gift shops. Or Subway.


McDonalds/BK you can get a burger or grilled chicken and eat it without the bun.

Subway, any of the chopped salads with meat on top should be mostly Keto.
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July 4th, 2018 at 3:21:16 PM permalink
Out of curiosity, when you make your sauce, do you use follow a set recipe with exact measurements or do you work by feel?
A lot of people love my spaghetti, but to me each batch is different as I improvise.
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July 4th, 2018 at 3:24:46 PM permalink
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I just looked. There is 8gm carbs and 3 sugars. Doesnt seem like too much and that is 2 tbls. I dont use that much.



No, it isn't much, but if you eat it every day that sugar adds up, and when you need zero sugar to live on, might as well get rid of it.
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July 4th, 2018 at 3:42:10 PM permalink
Planter's Peanuts paid the Washington, DC law firm of Covington and Berling a million dollars each year for twenty six years to keep the secretary of the Agriculture Department from establishing a standard of identity for peanut butter. Then a peanut farmer got elected president and finally the law firm threw in the towel.

Selling lard and sugar in peanut butter was very profitable even though it was sold in teensy little jars. Those pennies mounted up.
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July 4th, 2018 at 3:43:38 PM permalink
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McDonalds/BK you can get a burger or grilled chicken and eat it without the bun.

Subway, any of the chopped salads with meat on top should be mostly Keto.


Omg, I have to start eating sa.....sala.....salads?!???? Every damn day of this experiment I keep getting swindled into something new. I might have to go for another round of Chipotle. Glad I can still get some Mickey Dees and BK, although with some major caveats. I'll live.

What about Chicken Filet? I can just get a chicken sandwich there and eat it without the bun? Or does the crust on the chicken have carbometers? You know, like the crunchy crap on it. Or can I get a chicken there without the crunchy crap? I like the crunchy stuff so if I could get one with the crunchies, that'd be awesome. Or is that the difference between "grilled" and "crispy"? Grilled is the flavorless type of chicken?


Oh, and WHAT THE F*** CAN I DRINK? All I got so far is freaking WATER (wtf?) and ICED TEA. Iced tea is fine, in moderation, but holy damn, it feels like that's all I been drinking lately.
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July 4th, 2018 at 3:43:47 PM permalink
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Do you get the all-natural peanut butter? Costs the same as regular peanut butter, but it has no sugar in it at all. Tastes way better, too.

There's another quick weight loss tip for anyone who eats peanut butter regularly.



Your comment is ludicrous and I have lost all respect for you. JIF smooth peanut butter is the perfect food. If you disagree, I suggest you enter the concussion protocol.
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July 4th, 2018 at 3:47:38 PM permalink
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Oh, and WHAT THE F*** CAN I DRINK? All I got so far is freaking WATER (wtf?) and ICED TEA. Iced tea is fine, in moderation, but holy damn, it feels like that's all I been drinking lately.



My wife claims Ketel vodka is the lowest carb of the commonly found vodkas. That is what she drinks on her diet.
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July 4th, 2018 at 3:59:08 PM permalink
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My wife claims Ketel vodka is the lowest carb of the commonly found vodkas. That is what she drinks on her diet.

I lost two days on the Jack Daniels diet. Does that count :o)
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July 4th, 2018 at 4:01:21 PM permalink
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There are lots of mushrooms, peppers


Heathen :o)
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July 4th, 2018 at 5:06:17 PM permalink
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Omg, I have to start eating sa.....sala.....salads?!???? Every damn day of this experiment I keep getting swindled into something new. I might have to go for another round of Chipotle. Glad I can still get some Mickey Dees and BK, although with some major caveats. I'll live.

What about Chicken Filet? I can just get a chicken sandwich there and eat it without the bun? Or does the crust on the chicken have carbometers? You know, like the crunchy crap on it. Or can I get a chicken there without the crunchy crap? I like the crunchy stuff so if I could get one with the crunchies, that'd be awesome. Or is that the difference between "grilled" and "crispy"? Grilled is the flavorless type of chicken?


Oh, and WHAT THE F*** CAN I DRINK? All I got so far is freaking WATER (wtf?) and ICED TEA. Iced tea is fine, in moderation, but holy damn, it feels like that's all I been drinking lately.


Well, the point of the Keto diet is to get your liver into Ketosis (you can get test strips for your pee). So you can technically eat anything as long as you are staying under your carb goal.

But grains (bread/pasta/oatmeal), sugar, and even a lot of vegetables are super high in carbs, so for most people it ends up being a carnivor diet of mostly meat and dairy.

The breaded chicken patty at Chik Fil A has 10g carbohydrates.

Iced tea is fine if it’s unsweetened. Besides water, you can drink tea/coffee without sugar, and diet soda.
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July 4th, 2018 at 5:33:58 PM permalink
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July 4th, 2018 at 6:04:31 PM permalink
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We must spend at least $100 a week on food from the grocery store for 2 people



Hmm, someone has a secret bank account.
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July 4th, 2018 at 6:27:27 PM permalink
Natural peanut butter with sliced apples is really good. I used to eat that like 5 days a week. You're getting the sugar back but it's healthy. Though not keto obv.

You can also have some very dark chocolate. I think it should be about 75% or more. Now that I'm used to it I much prefer it as the chocolate taste is so much stronger.

Now you got a very healthy meal going and soon it will taste better too.

Oh yeah. Peanuts are toxic to your liver if you eat too many. But i guess this is reduced in peanut butter.

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Out of curiosity, when you make your sauce, do you use follow a set recipe with exact measurements or do you work by feel?
A lot of people love my spaghetti, but to me each batch is different as I improvise.



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July 4th, 2018 at 6:36:14 PM permalink
One day when I was a youngster, we had no food in the house (as usual), and I saw my brother was eating peanut butter straight from the jar, because YOLO and he was hungry. I figured what the hell, I’ll try it too. So I grabbed a jar of mayonnaise and went ham on it.


I was obviously being keto conscious because mayonnaise with a few sprinkles of salt is healthy.
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July 4th, 2018 at 9:52:58 PM permalink
Day 2.

Test subject ate another cheeseburger with the hippy wrapping instead of a hamburger bun. Iced tea and water, too. Light pain in side of neck. Unsure if due to new diet or unrelated. No head aches or cravings.
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July 9th, 2018 at 1:25:04 AM permalink
Day 6 of my diet (I unknowingly cheated the other day). I’ve run out of types of food to eat. Thankfully I went to the store to buy some food.
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July 9th, 2018 at 1:48:07 AM permalink
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Can you please advise why water alone doesn't equal say sugarless tea or sugarless coffee? My Doctor keeps telling me to drink more "water" and that tea or diet soda's don't count as water. He's Thai so can't/doesn't explain. Thanks.

Coffee and tea(anything with caffeine or alcohol) dehydrate the body, it's a net loss water-wise where the more you drink, the more dehydrated you will become.
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July 9th, 2018 at 2:06:09 AM permalink
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AND MY UPDATE:

Well, for what it's worth ( $ 500-ish ), I was able to "win" $ 500-ish from this website. I got the check and deposited it.

- And with No drama on this forum !

- That's gotta be worth something, huh ? ? ?

- It's a few bucks. Won't make or break me. But I'd rather have it than be out my $$$'s.

- AND I am healthier than I was a few short months ago.

It wasn't easy. It wasn't hard. But I didn't know for sure until the last week of my 6 months if I would win the "wager" or not, which was to lose 40 lbs in 6 months. That was about 17 % of my body weight. I won it. So "whoop whoop".

I am trying to keep an eye on my weight and maintain my weight loss. Right now I am about 5 lbs over my total loss. To me that is acceptable and I am happy with it. It would be nice to get back on my routine and lose another 5 to 10 lbs net.

That would have sucked if you lost. Did you try, or is there any weigh to cheat a little? Such as drinking a lot of water, wearing heavy shoes and extra clothes at the initial weigh-in? I'm almost tempted to try it, but haven't tried losing weight in years, I just maintain my 30-40 pounds overweight no matter what I do.
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July 9th, 2018 at 9:59:58 AM permalink
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Coffee and tea(anything with caffeine or alcohol) dehydrate the body, it's a net loss water-wise where the more you drink, the more dehydrated you will become.



This is untrue and not supported by scientific evidence.
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July 9th, 2018 at 12:19:21 PM permalink
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Yo what’s like normal food that I can eat while supporting the Ketogenic-Cult? Like at McDonalds, Burger King, or casino gift shops. Or Subway.

Never set foot in one of these places no matter what “diet” you’re on. Essentially everything in there will make you fat, sick and eventually kill you. If you want a burger go buy some 85/15 grass fed ground beef and grill a 1/2 pound burger at home, takes 10 minutes on a stainless or cast iron pan. Top with some grated cheddar and spinach, tomato, onion and a side of boiled potatoes topped with homemade pesto or chimichurri.
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July 9th, 2018 at 12:29:52 PM permalink
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This is untrue and not supported by scientific evidence.

Most of what people in general, and experts in particular, say is untrue and not supported by scientific evidence.

Just consider coffee and tea. Each is a highly variable beverage. Each contains zillions of ingredients. As a source of anti-oxidants each probably keeps Madison Avenue very happy. As a source of esculetin each probably keeps diabetics happy but then again so would carrots, celery and cherries. Esculetin inhibits the absorption of fructose and sucrose and above all, it inhibits the body's transformation of fructose into sucrose thus stabilizing blood sugars at a lower level than if the fructose were metabolized.

Of course tea should be black in the morning, green in the afternoon and white in the evening but it is all fraught with traditions in preparation and purists always serve it in THREE cups, which is why tea sets always have three cups, never two or four. I for one can't be bothered with traditions. Usually.

I think I advised one of our number rather recently to consume Vert Munt Thee while in Amsterdam. Roughly it translates to spoiled green tea, but it really is a healthy beverage and far more healthy than Pepsi. Just about anything is far more healthy than any sort of sugar-laden soda and much healthier than the aspartame laden diet sodas.

Even that 'lawyer' I suggested, an 'advocaat' is an orange based liqueur for the throat that is far more healthier than pepsi. We drink and often eat what we are in the habit of drinking and eating.

Supported by evidence? Lobbyists and lawyers are paid to suppress the generation and dissemination of any such evidence, so don't expect doctors to be aware of it.
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July 9th, 2018 at 1:36:53 PM permalink
I love green tea. I drink two cups of it every day.
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July 20th, 2018 at 4:44:05 PM permalink
RS, were you doing keto? How did it end?

I am planning on starting a 10 day keto on Monday. I went shopping this morning and bought lots of meat, fish, eggs, and cheese.

Funny I remember in this thread I said I give up and just going to be fat. Inam disgusted with myself. I weighed myself this morning and are back up to 291. Fml... I am going to force myself to keto for 10 days and then evaluate where I am and how I want to proceed. I tried twice to do weight loss bets on here but no takers. People would have cleaned up on me. Dsmn you HB, for ruining it.
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July 20th, 2018 at 5:34:55 PM permalink
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RS, were you doing keto? How did it end?

I am planning on starting a 10 day keto on Monday. I went shopping this morning and bought lots of meat, fish, eggs, and cheese.

Funny I remember in this thread I said I give up and just going to be fat. Inam disgusted with myself. I weighed myself this morning and are back up to 291. Fml... I am going to force myself to keto for 10 days and then evaluate where I am and how I want to proceed. I tried twice to do weight loss bets on here but no takers. People would have cleaned up on me. Dsmn you HB, for ruining it.


I was actually doing quite well. Kind of. I was sticking to 20g carbs or fewer per day for 10 days. Then I started not feeling super well. Idk if it was the keto or I was actually sick (I think it was keto), I was throwing up for a while and very dizzy / light-headed. According to stuff online I read, it could have been a deficiency in magnesium or some such nonsense. People talking about tracking your "macros" n crap....nah, that ain't for me.

I was going to go on a trip anyway, so decided to halt the keto thing for a few days, while still kinda watching carbs/sugar but nowhere near as intently.

I'm gonna go half n half on it, but instead of being super strict and eat < 20g per day of carbs, I'm going to ween myself onto it. So I won't be eating/drinking stuff that is unnecessarily high in carbs/sugars (soda, chips, etc.), but still going to eat regular food like sandwiches n stuff.
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July 20th, 2018 at 5:38:09 PM permalink
At 291, what’s your body fat percentage?
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July 20th, 2018 at 5:53:39 PM permalink
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At 291, what’s your body fat percentage?



BMI is like 37 :-(
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July 20th, 2018 at 5:55:37 PM permalink
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I was actually doing quite well. Kind of. I was sticking to 20g carbs or fewer per day for 10 days. Then I started not feeling super well. Idk if it was the keto or I was actually sick (I think it was keto), I was throwing up for a while and very dizzy / light-headed. According to stuff online I read, it could have been a deficiency in magnesium or some such nonsense. People talking about tracking your "macros" n crap....nah, that ain't for me.

I was going to go on a trip anyway, so decided to halt the keto thing for a few days, while still kinda watching carbs/sugar but nowhere near as intently.

I'm gonna go half n half on it, but instead of being super strict and eat < 20g per day of carbs, I'm going to ween myself onto it. So I won't be eating/drinking stuff that is unnecessarily high in carbs/sugars (soda, chips, etc.), but still going to eat regular food like sandwiches n stuff.



I tried to do that but it wasnt working. I would do good then next thing I knew I had Mexican and 300g of carbs. I am an all or nothing kinda person.

What was your goal when you started? Are you trying to tone up or lose a few? Did you make any movement during those 10 days?
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July 20th, 2018 at 7:07:40 PM permalink
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Coffee and tea(anything with caffeine or alcohol) dehydrate the body, it's a net loss water-wise where the more you drink, the more dehydrated you will become.

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This is untrue and not supported by scientific evidence.



This leads me to ask, if I ever am trapped in a plantless rocky desert, with nothing but a case a beer, should I drink it or hold off until I'm pretty sure I'm near death anyway?
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July 20th, 2018 at 7:12:29 PM permalink
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I tried to do that but it wasnt working. I would do good then next thing I knew I had Mexican and 300g of carbs. I am an all or nothing kinda person.

What was your goal when you started? Are you trying to tone up or lose a few? Did you make any movement during those 10 days?


Goal is pretty much to just eat more healthily. I feel like I lost some weight because my pants started to feel a little bit looser. But weight loss isn't really a goal, although that'll probably be a correlated effect. But I'm not like fat af or anything. I'm beautiful in my own skin.

Oh sh** there's an emergency flood warning in LV. Damn alert scared the bejezuss out of me.
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July 20th, 2018 at 7:20:13 PM permalink
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BMI is like 37 :-(

I have never used BMI but my understanding is it’s just a factor of your height and weight, which doesn’t mean much. One guy at 6 feet 200 lbs could be a technically obese 30% body fat, another guy at the same height/weight could be a very athletic/muscular 12% body fat.

But they have the same BMI
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July 20th, 2018 at 7:33:12 PM permalink
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I have never used BMI but my understanding is it’s just a factor of your height and weight, which doesn’t mean much. One guy at 6 feet 200 lbs could be a technically obese 30% body fat, another guy at the same height/weight could be a very athletic/muscular 12% body fat.

But they have the same BMI



well then I have no clue, just as RS says fat AF.
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July 20th, 2018 at 7:37:57 PM permalink
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well then I have no clue, just as RS says fat AF.


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