Discussion about the Suspension List

Quote: JB

I don't even know if I am registered to vote where I live. I did convert my driver's license, so perhaps that automatically registered me.

Would a person not registered to vote who sold their vote be comitting fraud?

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Quote: Nareed

Would a person not registered to vote who sold their vote be comitting fraud?

Yes, and the buyer is also committing some crime that i don't remember right now, at least in Minnesota. When I was in college in Saint Paul, the College Republicans and College Democrats worked together and did a campus-wide voter registration drive, where they gave out suckers in exchange for registrations. They were absolutely read the riot act by both state parties and the Saint Paul Police Department. It was a giant to-do over what was essentially a non-partisan event (in MN, you don't register with a party in any way. All elections are completely open)

Quote: rdw4potus

It's like a speeding penalty. If flow of traffic in a 55mph zone is 70mph, I'm going to drive 70mph. If I then get pulled over, I'm going to wonder what made my infraction worse than that of everyone else on the road. Usually, that's the point at which I realize that I'm in a rental car with out-of-state plates.

This was brought up in a driving class I had to take one weekend. The ex-police officer provided what I thought was a good answer. Basically that people get pulled over for speeding. Sometimes, the police officer thinks, "I'm going to pull over the 5th person in the line of cars going too fast." Other times, yeah, they figure they'll pull over the rental car. They know the ticket is most likely to get paid.

Bottom line, "I stabbed Marty because everyone else did," isn't a proper defense(*). So don't call out insults just because someone else did and therefore it must be ok.

(*)Truth is, utilizing a "flow of traffic" defense does work in some states, like here in Arizona.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Doesn't this describe every politician out there? They are always making promising things to vote for them.

There's a difference between, "I will buy you a car for voting the way I want," and, "Oh, you happened to vote the way that I wanted? Well, you didn't have to do that. On a totally unrelated side note, I found this car in an alley, you might as well keep it."

Quote: konceptum

(*)Truth is, utilizing a "flow of traffic" defense does work in some states, like here in Arizona.

Wish I had tried that when I got pulled over in AZ. What's the legal theory you use?

Quote: teddys

Wish I had tried that when I got pulled over in AZ. What's the legal theory you use?

Arizona has a "reasonable and prudent" speed limit law. Arizona Revised Statue (ARS) 28-701.A. "A person shall not drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the circumstances, conditions and actual and potential hazards then existing. A person shall control the speed of a vehicle as necessary to avoid colliding with any object, person, vehicle or other conveyance on, entering or adjacent to the highway in compliance with legal requirements and the duty of all persons to exercise reasonable care for the protection of others." and ARS 28-701.E. "A person shall not drive a motor vehicle at a speed that is less than the speed that is reasonable and prudent under existing conditions unless the speed that is reasonable and prudent exceeds the maximum safe operating speed of the lawfully operated implement of husbandry."

From my experience, and experiences of people I know, (YMMV), if a police officer nabs you with a radar gun, it's pretty easy to utilize "reasonable and prudent" as a defense. On the other hand, if the police officer nabs you via pacing, you're pretty much out of luck. If the officer is pacing you, he's also going to throw in the fact that he saw you pass at least one other vehicle, in which case your defense of "going with the flow" isn't going to pan out.

Of course, because it's Arizona, if your Hispanic or a little more than slightly tan, all those rules get thrown out the window anyway. Speeding is no longer your primary concern.

If you do go in to court to fight your ticket, don't say that your speed was "reasonable and prudent". Judges automatically assume you're being a smart-ass, and now want to get you. The one time I had to fight a ticket, when asked by the judge why I was driving the speed I was, I stated, "Your honor, given the road conditions, visibility conditions, and condition of my vehicle, I felt that my speed was safe. Perhaps it was a bit higher than it should have been, but I really didn't think I was putting myself or anybody else in danger." It was a slam dunk. (Although, I did get a dirty look from the officer.)

As a flip side example, the last speeding ticket that I paid for, when I was pulled over, the police officer first told me that he paced me at the offending speed. He then proceeded to tell me that he watched me change lanes 4 times. Obviously, changing lanes, and doing it properly (ie, with signals, as I do), isn't wrong. But he was basically letting me know, without coming out and saying it, that a defense of "reasonable and prudent" wasn't going to fly. And, I will tell you, he was completely right. I was FLYING down the freeway. No way I was in the clear.

Oh, and it should go without saying, I'm not an attorney, so if you go to jail, don't come complaining.

Can you at least post my bond till payday ?

Quote: buzzpaff

Did not hurt that I knew the district level was banging his secretary.

Ah, the good ol' days.

I see MakingBook has been rhyming a little too suggestively in the Hot Blonde Challenge thread.

Quote: ten2win

I see MakingBook has been rhyming a little too suggestively in the Hot Blonde Challenge thread.

I saw he'd been put on the "list", was it for the poems? Surely not.

MakingBook was simply the little boy who yelled, "Hey, the Emperor ain't wearing no clothes!!!"

Returning from my 3 day suspension I have a couple thoughts that I would like to express.

First to Evenbob: I apologize for calling you a jackass. Obviously against the rules, I should keep such opinions to myself. In answer to your private message, No, I do not blame you. I blame myself for stooping to your level. While I crossed the line, violating the rules of the site by calling you a name, you by your own admission, navigate around these rules, intentionally insulting people, but yet stopping just shy of name-calling. It appears your sole purpose is to instigate and be confrontational. I find that a sad way to be....but enjoy your life.

To those members that defended me in this thread on Monday, Buzzpaff, 1BB, SOOPOO, among others, I thank you. It is interesting that I am not the only one that sees a double standard here. At any rate, political discussions are not my purpose on this site, so I am a little mad at myself for having strayed there.

I was drawn to this site, at the recommendation of a fellow AP and mutual friend of myself and Wizards. Being a professional blackjack player for 9 years, and living a block from the strip, I make it my business to know all the ins and outs of what is happening in this business and this town. Promotions, games, blackjack conditions, even who is offering what breakfast specials. Between networking with other players, pit workers and other casino employees, websites that I visit, and my own experiences, there is not much that goes on in this valley that I am not aware of. I thought I would be a worthwhile contributor to a site that has an emphasis on gaming as well as a Vegas. But after a short time as a member here, I can see the site really isn't about either. I should have realized that early on, by the lack of participation by the AP community. The few knowledgeable members that are from the AP community, like Lonesome Gambler, choose to contribute very seldom. That speaks volumes.

At any rate, I will keep my focus on the reasons I joined this site, looking for info beneficial to my career and situation, but I have now lost interest in participating and sharing my experiences, so I expect that I will participate very sparingly.

Quote: texasplumr

Quote: ten2win

I see MakingBook has been rhyming a little too suggestively in the Hot Blonde Challenge thread.

I saw he'd been put on the "list", was it for the poems? Surely not.

When I initially read them I thought for sure a public warning. I was wrong, suspension. The Wizard has confirmed on the HB thread.

I'm looking forward to when he comes back. I guess he operates around here, but I don't know how small of bets he'll take. I want to see what kind of odds I can get against the Pirates either winning or making it to the WS.

Quote: kewlj

To those members that defended me in this thread on Monday...

I kinda stay out of the political discussions, and tend to not keep lasting memories of whether a member has an "agenda."

So, if I didn't defend you, it's not because I felt you weren't worthy. It was that I really didn't notice or have enough knowledge of the situation to form an opinion.



But having read your returning letter, I wish to point out one item you wrote:

Quote: kewlj

At any rate, I will keep my focus on the reasons I joined this site, looking for info beneficial to my career and situation, but I have now lost interest in participating and sharing my experiences, so I expect that I will participate very sparingly.

Sure, keep a focus, but don't stop participating.

Sharing your experiences can be rewarding not only to those that read it, but to the author, when reading responses. Sometimes, the original author gains the most from such a dialog.

Stick around. It will be worth it.

There may not be a ton of APs here, but I do enjoy their contributions. I hope you stick around and continue to contribute to those discussions!!

We are sidetracked a bit by two things--the drama of the whole weight loss/domestic dispute thread and the political season. Both of those will pretty much run their course in the next couple of months and we'll likely be back to more of a gambling focus. Those threads take up some space, but there are still good gambling discussions going on, too.

Quote: kewlj

In answer to your private message, No, I do not blame you. I blame myself for stooping to your level. While I crossed the line, violating the rules of the site by calling you a name, you by your own admission, navigate around these rules, intentionally insulting people, but yet stopping just shy of name-calling. It appears your sole purpose is to instigate and be confrontational.
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Yes, I have 7500 posts of nothing but confrontation.
Get real. Also, its strictly against the rules to talk
about the contents of PM's on the forum, people
have been banned for it. Seriously.

Mr V bites the dust for calling HB a farm animal
name and implying she was at one time overweight.

Quote: EvenBob

Mr V bites the dust for calling HB a farm animal
name and implying she was at one time overweight.

golly! doesn't he know that the trick is to say that people are LIKE farm-animals? :-)

Quote: rdw4potus

golly! doesn't he know that the trick is to say that people are LIKE farm-animals? :-)

No, "act like things that are raised in an agricultural area".

Quote: thecesspit

No, "act like things that are raised in an agricultural area".

lol! indeed. doesn't really apply here, but I like the one from Big Bang Theory too. Like a feminine hygiene product that one might use on a summer's eve.

Mr V should have said 'bovine ranch critter' instead
of heifer, and 'porcine goddess' instead of fatso. It
almost sounds like a compliment.

compliments can get people suspended too.

I think these knuckle-slapping suspensions will have an effect of driving people away from the Political/Weight-Management/Sexual-Orientation threads and back to Gambling and Las Vegas oriented threads. Unfortunately it will also dampen the humor and bantering that goes on since only Politically Correct Humor and Bantering are permitted.

Sorry I'm late to this discussion. Here's my opinions and input.

Often, PMs are used for things that nave no reason being private.



Recently, someone posted in Dan's thread about the craps table he's selling (giving away?), if it's been spoken for. The post included a comment to respond via PM. Why? Clearly, if they want to talk about the terms of a potential deal, that should be private, but whether or not it's still available should be a public reply.



A while back, I got a PM regarding my Poker For Roulette side bet. The context of the PM was a potential problem with my idea.

I felt that the PM was sent privately to protect me from the down-side of someone at a game distributor from seeing this potential problem. But I have nothing to hide, so I responded in my thread about the bet, and included the context of the PM. I did NOT identify the sender. But I still got a followup PM from that person that I had violated the sanctity of the PM. Really? The only one possibly being hurt by my actions was me, so what's the issue?

A further follow-up PM prompted me to edit the post in question, but was it really necessary?

Quote: DJTeddyBear

I felt that the PM was sent privately to protect me from the down-side of someone at a game distributor from seeing this potential problem. But I have nothing to hide, so I responded in my thread about the bet, and included the context of the PM. I did NOT identify the sender. But I still got a followup PM from that person that I had violated the sanctity of the PM. Really? The only one possibly being hurt by my actions was me, so what's the issue?

A further follow-up PM prompted me to edit the post in question, but was it really necessary?

I don't see why that PM sender was upset, they should have actually been flattered that you took the time to tell everybody what a concern it was and how it was addressed.

FWIW, though, they might have been upset you directly said, "one user PMed me...." I guess a good policy would be to re-word it as, "some people have brought a concern to me that............." Silly to have to go to that level, but it covers you in that you are hiding the true source and sort of "laundering" the PM.

Oops. I had indended to post the above in the PM discussion thread. Oy. That's what I get for having multiple WoV windows open at the same time....

I have reposted it here.

Nareed has been given three days for a personal insult sent by PM.

Quote: Wizard

Nareed has been given three days for a personal insult sent by PM.

And who was suspended for revealing the contents of a PM? :-)

Quote: rdw4potus

And who was suspended for revealing the contents of a PM? :-)

Nobody, yet. I tend to think I'll treat it like a coaches challenge in the NFL. If it goes your way, great, if not you lose a time out (or in the case of this forum, you get a time out). More to come on that.

Quote: Wizard

Nareed has been given three days for a personal insult sent by PM.

I wish Nareed would send me one of those,
but I'm just ignored. Sigh.

Quote: Wizard

Nareed has been given three days for a personal insult sent by PM.

Hmmm...well, I said the Trainwreck Thread would heat up again shortly, but this news might change that a bit. Maybe it will simmer for a bit and heat up in three days or whenever HB shows up again!!

Quote: EvenBob

I wish Nareed would send me one of those,
but I'm just ignored. Sigh.

I can send you an insult by PM if you wish!! :D

Quote: FarFromVegas

I can send you an insult by PM if you wish!! :D

Thanks, it just woudn't be the same.

We must be close to setting a record for most number of people on simultaneous 3 day suspensions, no ?

Quote: RaleighCraps

We must be close to setting a record for most number of people on simultaneous 3 day suspensions, no ?

There still time yet to break that record.

If a record is truly within reach, I would be willing to take one for the team. :)

Quote: EvenBob

I wish Nareed would send me one of those,
but I'm just ignored. Sigh.

Well, it looks like it does give you king of the hill honors in terms of number of posts for the next 72 hours.

Is there something in the water with all the insult suspensions and questions of how PMs are supposed to work? It is 2012, not 1997.

Mike has not divulged what the pm that earned Nareed a suspension said.

1. It was aimed at SOOPOO 1- 9 odds
2. All others 6- 1 odds

What do you think, guys? (We may never know as the Wiz will likely keep that info private, but perhaps Nareed will tell us)

Quote: SOOPOO

Mike has not divulged what the pm that earned Nareed a suspension said.

1. It was aimed at SOOPOO 1- 9 odds
2. All others 6- 1 odds

Morning line on "aimed at SOOPOO" will never last at odds that good, it will go into bridge-jumper territory.

Maybe this should have been a PM to you, SOOPOO, but I am so completely flabbergasted at your "problems with women" that I have started to ponder various scenarios:

*SOOPOO is indeed some kind of serial killer or something they will make a TV movie about some day
*SOOPOO is just an incredible blunderer, inept person with women, or easily offended hothead ... etc
*SOOPOO just has a tin ear and doesnt know what he sounds like, talking to women
*SOOPOO and his detractors are putting us on, but somehow Nareed hasn't caught on. The big joke will be revealed at the weigh-in

Currently I am thinking it is this last.

The last one has been crossing my mind for some time now.

Quote: SOOPOO

Mike has not divulged what the pm that earned Nareed a suspension said.

1. It was aimed at SOOPOO 1- 9 odds
2. All others 6- 1 odds

What do you think, guys? (We may never know as the Wiz will likely keep that info private, but perhaps Nareed will tell us)

Forty thousand HHonors points says it was aimed at Fidel Castro.

I've been staying out of this, but does anyone else wonder whether this thread is maybe not such a great thing? I mean, if it weren't for the announcement here, I might not have even noticed that she'd been suspended. Isn't it enough that she was, without announcing it to everyone? But I guess that the idea is transparency, so that people won't think that others are getting suspended at random (although I'm inclined to doubt whether anyone would have assumed such at any rate).

It's not just for that purpose, but it's also a, "Pulse of the nation," type of thing. I believe the Wiz has stated elsewhere (and maybe even in this thread) that if everyone seems to think he has made a bad call, that he would like to know about it.

Almost every banning made results in a big controversy. Rather than pollute the threads where the infraction was made, I wanted just one cesspool for the many comments that generally follow a controversial banning. It is also useful to me to have a single place to see what the reaction is. I know I'll be second guessed most of the time, but I still take under advisement the comments.

Also, I believe in the shame element of a punishment. I love it when judges make people wear signs that say "I'm a deadbeat dad" or "I'm a shoplifter." We should have more of that.

Finally, this is useful to me to see if I've banned somebody before. My general policy is the length of bans goes up geometrically, but without a list I wouldn't necessarily remember how many times a serial offender already was banned.

Quote: Wizard

Also, I believe in the shame element of a punishment. I love it when judges make people wear signs that say "I'm a deadbeat dad" or "I'm a shoplifter." We should have more of that..

The other day on my way to work there was a middle school aged girl on the corner holding a sign that read "I like to steal". Made my day.

Quote: SOOPOO

Mike has not divulged what the pm that earned Nareed a suspension said.

1. It was aimed at SOOPOO 1- 9 odds
2. All others 6- 1 odds

What do you think, guys? (We may never know as the Wiz will likely keep that info private, but perhaps Nareed will tell us)

Given the timing, I thought maybe it was aimed at His Excellency, the Honorable Weaselman.

All these suspensions are terrifying Buzz, he hasn't
made a post since Tuesday.

Quote: Wizard

Nareed has been given three days for a personal insult sent by PM.

What happened to Nareed, no posts since the 3 day
suspension a week ago.

Quote: EvenBob

What happened to Nareed, no posts since the 3 day
suspension a week ago.

This gives me an opportunity to become number 1 poster. Let's see, only like 40 thousand more posts or something. yeah, I'm almost there!!!

Quote: EvenBob

What happened to Nareed, no posts since the 3 day
suspension a week ago.

Was wondering the same thing. On strike maybe?