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July 2nd, 2012 at 11:51:06 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Based on a post made outside of the forum, mrjjj has just been upgraded to the nuclear option.

Thank you. Just ignoring him was growing difficult and probably would have resulted in my own 'time-out'.
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July 10th, 2012 at 8:37:36 PM permalink
NewAP gets 10 days for this post, among others in that thread.
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July 10th, 2012 at 10:04:38 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Let's see, here is what I can remember:

Chuck for life for insulting the Wizard.
mkl for I think a week for personal insult.
JerryLogan 2 or 3 times. I just remember that last time was for a week for a combination of hijacking and personal insults.

Who I am forgetting?



The entire cheerleading squad for laughing at your "unit size" and poor penetration, perhaps? What I mean is you were betting chips and were getting half-shoed, of course.
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July 10th, 2012 at 10:11:23 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

NewAP gets 10 days for this post, among others in that thread.

I'm going to take this risk at becoming unpopular. This suspension was richly deserved. No doubt about it. The post was unnecessarily rude. However, I think it was clearly obvious, not only to myself, but to other members of the forum, that the individual would get suspended. Is it really necessary for people to make comments to that effect? The "countdown" to suspension and any of the other comments regarding the individual's behavior and certain suspension just seem to be further unnecessary comments that clutter up the thread and the forum, and serve no real purpose.

We all know the person is going to get suspended. And he should get suspended. I just don't see the need to make comments about it. I feel we should just flag the post, report it to the Wizard, allow the Wizard to make the necessary suspensions/decisions, and the rest of can either contribute the original post if it has merits, or just ignore the thread.

Again, I know I'm taking a weak point, and nobody will agree with me. Thus, this post itself qualifies as my previously mentioned unnecessary clutter with no real purpose. I just think people might want to at least think about it, and not contribute toward other people's bad behavior.
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July 10th, 2012 at 11:12:36 PM permalink
Ah, his sock puppet has turned up as well. Very clever.
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July 10th, 2012 at 11:19:13 PM permalink
cesspit...What's a sock puppet?
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July 11th, 2012 at 3:14:42 AM permalink
Quote: konceptum

I just don't see the need to make comments about it.



That is a fair comment. It isn't that I mean to stir things up. My intent is to make the rules and expectations clear and to keep such discussion in a central place. I don't want legitimate threads hijacked with people discussing the latest ban.

Speaking of which, NewAP is upgraded to the nuclear option for multiple identities.
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July 11th, 2012 at 4:08:49 AM permalink
Quote: konceptum

Quote: Wizard

NewAP gets 10 days for this post, among others in that thread.

I'm going to take this risk at becoming unpopular. This suspension was richly deserved. No doubt about it. The post was unnecessarily rude. However, I think it was clearly obvious, not only to myself, but to other members of the forum, that the individual would get suspended. Is it really necessary for people to make comments to that effect? The "countdown" to suspension and any of the other comments regarding the individual's behavior and certain suspension just seem to be further unnecessary comments that clutter up the thread and the forum, and serve no real purpose.



Fair point. I was the one that posted the countdown to suspension comment. Won't happen again. I'm sorry.

To the point of "unnecessary comments that clutter up the thread and forum." That describes BuzzPaff perfectly!. This guy is a troll.
I discovered the BLOCK feature yesterday, and promptly blocked him. Now I won't have to read any of his 4,956 daily posts.

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July 11th, 2012 at 4:38:15 AM permalink
Quote: scire

cesspit...What's a sock puppet?



A childs toy made from a sock, a couple googly eyes and some felt, that you stick on your hand a pretend isnt you while talking.

In the internet world, its jargon for a user making a second account to help trolling, or to pretend that you have more support in a debate, or to add recommedations to a review.
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July 11th, 2012 at 5:00:22 AM permalink
Quote: konceptum

... I just don't see the need to make comments about it...

I do.

Except the place to make the comments is not within the thread in question. Don't assume Mike reads every post or views every thread.

Either send a PM to the Wizard, or post in this thread, or both. And they should include a link to the offending post. (If you don't know how to do that, just right-click the "Permalink" at the top right of the post, then select "Copy Shortcut". Then paste it into the PM and post.)

Posting the "countdown" in that thread may have been fun for the observers/participants, but it only elevates the anger of the offender.
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July 11th, 2012 at 6:50:48 AM permalink
Is it just me, or did that guy have a chip on his shoulder?
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July 11th, 2012 at 7:19:09 AM permalink
Wizard: Did you check IP addresses, was the poster Mrjjj (Ken)?
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July 11th, 2012 at 7:28:18 AM permalink
I don't personally see the problem with a few light-hearted comments in thread such as the countdown. I think it would be different if it were some kind of border-line case where the Wizard would have to step in and make a judgment call, but this was a blatant infraction of the Rules to such an extent that there was no doubt as to what was about to happen.

Further, it was NewAP's own thread, so thread derailment isn't much of a concern. He derailed his own thread by way of the very comments that were the subject of the Suspension.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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July 11th, 2012 at 7:58:14 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I don't personally see the problem with a few light-hearted comments in thread such as the countdown. I think it would be different if it were some kind of border-line case where the Wizard would have to step in and make a judgment call, but this was a blatant infraction of the Rules to such an extent that there was no doubt as to what was about to happen.

Further, it was NewAP's own thread, so thread derailment isn't much of a concern. He derailed his own thread by way of the very comments that were the subject of the Suspension.



I agree with this.

And if you look backward, even NewAP's introduction was probably a setup to troll later. He identified as a friendly, then lowered his camouflage and fired. Q-ship.
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July 11th, 2012 at 9:46:48 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

It isn't that I mean to stir things up. My intent is to make the rules and expectations clear and to keep such discussion in a central place.

For clarification sake, my comment wasn't directed at you. I think that the notification of suspension as well as the reason for suspension is fairly important. It helps for us to know what is going on, as well as reinforcing what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior.
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Posting the "countdown" in that thread may have been fun for the observers/participants, but it only elevates the anger of the offender.

Well stated. Others may argue that angering the offender is ok, because that person was an offender. I disagree with that. However, I also feel that it's just a waste of time and resources.
Quote: Mission146

but this was a blatant infraction of the Rules to such an extent that there was no doubt as to what was about to happen.

Further, it was NewAP's own thread, so thread derailment isn't much of a concern. He derailed his own thread by way of the very comments that were the subject of the Suspension.

The fact that it was blatant, to me, is even more reason why comments don't need to be made. As DJ and I said, simply report the post to the Wizard, and we know it will get taken care of. And, even though it was his own thread, the original topic matter could still be discussed by others.
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July 11th, 2012 at 9:55:31 AM permalink
Quote: RoundMan

That describes BuzzPaff perfectly!. This guy is a troll.



You're new, so I'm going to let that go with a warning. No personal insults. As you wrote, if you don't like him, just block him.
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July 11th, 2012 at 10:07:01 AM permalink
I would reply, but I trust that RoundMan has truly blocked me. Nothing more need be said by either of us.
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July 11th, 2012 at 10:15:31 AM permalink
In regards to blocking - Wizard, any stats you can share with us?

Do you have the ability to know who is blocking who? How many people does the average forum member have blocked? Knowing who the most blocked member is would be fun, although I'm guessing you wouldn't share that.
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July 11th, 2012 at 10:18:02 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

In regards to blocking - Wizard, any stats you can share with us?



We don't implicitly quantify that. Even if we did, I'm not sure I would share it.
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July 11th, 2012 at 10:57:24 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

You're new, so I'm going to let that go with a warning. No personal insults. As you wrote, if you don't like him, just block him.



Thanks. Warning received.
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July 11th, 2012 at 11:04:34 AM permalink
I'm not really sure exactly what trolling is. I have an idea about it. I am newly retired and just started up on this site (and "posting" in general) to pass on my personal beliefs so as to be debated at times- if someone so chooses to do so. That is all. To me there sometimes should be a "fun element" to it and other times if one has a strong feeling about what should take place in order to solve a real problem (& it may have been addresses before in a different way) then they should give opinion. Is that trolling? I am "older" and truly don't get it?

Now I know bad language "attacking" another is worthy of suspension....is that trolling-- also????

Wizard, sorry for being so dumb on this but a good definition of trolling would be helpful to me.(maybe others as well)

As far as "pretending one has more support than they may actually have in a debate"....well I realize there are as many different opinions today on many subjects. Am I not supposed to express mine just because many others wouldn't support or agree with it? Is this trolling??

I believe this is what internet posting is about...entertainment thru difference of opinion and possibly getting someone else to think differently on a particular matter.

If trolling is something "you just know when you see it' please clue me in on it.

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July 11th, 2012 at 11:11:35 AM permalink
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Quote:

Troll: an internet term for a person who, through willful action, attempts to disrupt a community or garner attention and controversy through provocative messages.

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July 11th, 2012 at 11:16:02 AM permalink
I am often accused of trolling. Usually i am just trying to keep a thread going if I like the subject. Too often my attempts at satire go UN-noticed. Quite often I will post something on a new members thread especially if he is asking a question about probabilities.
Not that i have the answer LOL I wait until it is about to drop off the bottom before posting something to move it back up to the top.
Quite often a question will just disappear without an answer or any reply at all. Sometimes the poster thinks I am trolling, whatever the hell that is. Blocking is fairly easy to do and i am never offended when i am blocked. Most people just say " Damn, he's just being Buzz"

I only know of one instance where I overstepped the line and enjoyed my 3 day suspension.
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July 11th, 2012 at 11:17:31 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)



Provacative ? NEVER IGNORANT ? Too numerous to count.
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July 11th, 2012 at 11:36:55 AM permalink
Wizard - thanks for suspending NewAp and his alter-ego NewAPRulez - I had no idea that my comments regarding one player's nonBS play not affecting anyone in the long run would cause such a commotion
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July 11th, 2012 at 11:42:17 AM permalink
Trolling, in the sense the word was used in this case, is making a post deliberately to annoy people only loosely related to the subject matter. I happen to think Buzzpaff is hilarious, and I consider his one-liners topical.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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July 11th, 2012 at 11:51:55 AM permalink
In a broader sense, a troll is anybody you don't like
or agree with. Those are the people that get accused
of being trolls, usually.
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July 11th, 2012 at 12:03:08 PM permalink
In that case Bob, I am honored to be in your company.
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July 11th, 2012 at 12:05:43 PM permalink
Trolls are trying to get a bite. It might be to start a discussion, a flame war or to get someone so agitated they Internet Rage. Internet Rage can be an amusing side show for some. Net-drama is like a soap opera... (and we've had our own forum drama here, not all of it caused by trolls).

(Trolling is what you do with a fishing line in the water, running bait through the fish to get one to bite on the hook. However the image of a big ugly monster under the bridge fits as well).

I don't often agree with EvenBob, but I'd not call him a troll. I've seen here people troll with whose points I would agree with, but I know they are looking to get a rise. I also know a certain former poster thinks I was trolling him. But I like to use words how they should be used, not as a random insult.
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July 11th, 2012 at 12:15:04 PM permalink
Buzz -

For the record, I do not consider you a troll.

Pot-stirrer. But not troll.


Quote: buzzpaff

Too often my attempts at satire go UN-noticed.

Quite the opposite.

There noticed, but generally ignored. Although, quite frankly, I wish you'd cut it out.
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July 11th, 2012 at 12:24:41 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Buzz -

For the record, I do not consider you a troll.

Pot-stirrer. But not troll.


Quite the opposite.

There noticed, but generally ignored. Although, quite frankly, I wish you'd cut it out.



Pay closer attention Teddy. Some of my most asinine statements are not only believed, but commented upon by the naive.

And the above statements do qualify you as a " preacher "
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July 11th, 2012 at 6:39:38 PM permalink
What you discover in the end is you can't
please everybody, so to heck with em. Just
be yourself.
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July 11th, 2012 at 7:41:39 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

What you discover in the end is you can't
please everybody, so to heck with em. Just
be yourself.



My dad always used to tell people " If you do not like me, we are even !
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July 11th, 2012 at 8:18:07 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Wizard: Did you check IP addresses, was the poster Mrjjj (Ken)?



Seemed kind of like wbuballa23, the guy who started the thread about a joker showing up in a blackjack hand.
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July 11th, 2012 at 8:34:53 PM permalink
James garner wants you to pay a licensing fee.
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July 11th, 2012 at 8:48:23 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

James garner wants you to pay a licensing fee.



If i quit driving the gold Firebird, you think he would let it go?
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July 11th, 2012 at 8:50:16 PM permalink
He will have to check with Evelyn Martin first !!
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July 22nd, 2012 at 8:08:57 PM permalink
I did notice that with FleaStiff's suspension, buzzpaff takes his place on the Top Contributors list.

Enjoy your moment in the sun, Buzz.
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July 23rd, 2012 at 8:48:00 PM permalink
Thanks teddys. You may not believe this, but my daughter had the best vegetarian wrap she has ever eaten in Blackhawk. I had a Croissant breakfast sandwich, bakery size and quality, 2 sausage patties hamburger size and at least 3 scrambled eggs on it.
Part of an 18 item 99cent menu. I only stopped in because you were to timid to order a 99cent meal.

At SASQUTCH, no less . LOL
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July 26th, 2012 at 10:55:09 AM permalink
Didn't Flea's suspension end yesterday?
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July 26th, 2012 at 11:01:02 AM permalink
Well. as of this moment, he's on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION !
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July 26th, 2012 at 11:50:43 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Didn't Flea's suspension end yesterday?



Oops. Sorry about that Flea. I owe you a day.

On another topic, we have another secret admin effective yesterday. He is tougher than me, so be on your best behavior.
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July 26th, 2012 at 12:01:23 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Oops. Sorry about that Flea. I owe you a day.



What is this--Logan's Run? :D
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July 26th, 2012 at 12:04:16 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Didn't Flea's suspension end yesterday?



He hasn't logged in since he was banned, doesn't
look like he's worried about it.
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July 26th, 2012 at 12:14:29 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

On another topic, we have another secret admin effective yesterday. He is tougher than me, so be on your best behavior.



I hope it is a fair and objective admin. Would hate it if it were one of the agenda oriented members. But you know I trust your judgement Wiz!
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July 26th, 2012 at 12:16:28 PM permalink
Quote: avargov

I hope it is a fair and objective admin. Would hate it if it were one of the agenda oriented members. But you know I trust your judgement Wiz!



I heard its jerry logan.
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July 26th, 2012 at 12:18:46 PM permalink
Quote: avargov

I hope it is a fair and objective admin. Would hate it if it were one of the agenda oriented members. But you know I trust your judgement Wiz!



I will say that I select admins who are generally respected and liked by the whole forum. Those who tend to stay out of fights to begin with. I don't want any secret admins who already have a lot of enemies.
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July 26th, 2012 at 12:31:04 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I will say that I select admins who are generally respected and liked by the whole forum. Those who tend to stay out of fights to begin with. I don't want any secret admins who already have a lot of enemies.



I can think of two people I hope it is!

And a whole bunch I hope it isn't.
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July 26th, 2012 at 12:59:13 PM permalink
At first, I was hoping it was me. I mean, being a secret admin: imagine the perks! Then I realized, wait, if it's a secret, there's no way I could know if it was me or not. How exciting. I would be a secret admin and not even know it! How awesome is that! But then, how do I cash in on the perks? I figured there had to be a way to know if I was the secret admin, without revealing the secret. But I still can't figure out what that method is. I have a feeling this conspiracy may go all the way to the top!
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July 26th, 2012 at 1:00:38 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I will say that I select admins who are generally respected and liked by the whole forum.



Answer - Paco
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