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EvenBob
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July 26th, 2012 at 1:17:25 PM permalink
Do we know what these secret admins are looking for? Besides
obvious name calling?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
FarFromVegas
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July 26th, 2012 at 1:32:14 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Answer - Paco



One of my choices as well!
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July 27th, 2012 at 7:28:25 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Do we know what these secret admins are looking for? Besides
obvious name calling?



Like the definition of porn or the instincts of a good cop--"you know it when you see it."
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Keyser
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July 27th, 2012 at 10:31:30 AM permalink
First off, I want to say, Thank you for making me the new Admin.

I will do my best to weild my new God like moderation super powers with compassion and I will do my best to remain fair and unbiased.

Thank You. :)

-Keyser
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July 27th, 2012 at 10:36:16 AM permalink
I'm going to need some new furniture, a Diet Coke, and some minions.

Just joking. I am not a new Admin.
buzzpaff
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July 27th, 2012 at 11:30:25 AM permalink
I would be careful joking from now on. EvenBob is a harsh taskmaster. I believe it is the main qualification that led to his new position.
EvenBob
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July 28th, 2012 at 1:58:06 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Oops. Sorry about that Flea. I owe you a day.

On another topic, we have another secret admin effective yesterday. He is tougher than me, so be on your best behavior.



Fleastiff still hasn't even looked at the forum
since the 22nd, the day he was exiled. I wonder
if he's coming back. I hope so, I enjoy his posts.
Isn't he in England?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
1BB
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July 28th, 2012 at 2:12:45 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Fleastiff still hasn't even looked at the forum
since the 22nd, the day he was exiled. I wonder
if he's coming back. I hope so, I enjoy his posts.
Isn't he in England?



Maybe he's still trying to figure out why he was suspended.
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August 12th, 2012 at 7:12:12 PM permalink
kewlj suspended for 3 days for a personal insult in this post.
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August 13th, 2012 at 5:16:11 AM permalink
Had to unblock the thread to see the written truth. We should stick to gambling, Vegas and their issues.
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August 13th, 2012 at 8:47:00 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Had to unblock the thread to see the written truth. We should stick to gambling, Vegas and their issues.



Regarding politics, I have learned to keep my own counsel. I won't open the topic.
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August 13th, 2012 at 8:55:10 AM permalink
Seeing as the free speech area is closed, perhaps we should consider a mudslinging area for discussions that allow personal attacks. I mean, all political discussions, especially electoral ones, eventually degenerate into that.
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August 13th, 2012 at 9:31:50 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Seeing as the free speech area is closed, perhaps we should consider a mudslinging area for discussions that allow personal attacks. I mean, all political discussions, especially electoral ones, eventually degenerate into that.



If you want a good mudsling, you can go to 10,072 other sites.
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August 13th, 2012 at 9:54:23 AM permalink
Quote: JB

kewlj suspended for 3 days for a personal insult in this post.




jackass : a person being unpleasant, argumentative, disrespectful, ungrateful, etc.

I think EvenBob would admit to being argumentative. Is there an appeal process?

I am willing to do this case either Pro-Bono or Sonny Bono !
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August 13th, 2012 at 9:59:34 AM permalink
Bob's been called much worse by a certain flaxen haired one and nobody so much as blinked.
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Nareed
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August 13th, 2012 at 10:07:08 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

If you want a good mudsling, you can go to 10,072 other sites.



Oh, I don't want one. I just suggest where to send the innevitable discussions that will attach to the election like ticks on a deer.
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buzzpaff
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August 13th, 2012 at 10:30:34 AM permalink
1, I would never have thought a person would be suspended for using the word " jackass " to describe another forum member.

2. I always thought that the truth was a valid defense in a slander suit.

3. I am willing to give any administrator the benefit of the doubt.

4, Would like to know if the word "jerk" is a personal insult ?

5. I did not feel insulted when SOOPOO called me a jerk. ( see #2 )

6. A warning would have been the preferred method for the use of the word " jackass ".

7. I understand we should be civil to one another, but this seems to be " political correctness " to the nth degree.

*. May I safely assume JB will be voting a straight Democrat ticket in November ?
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August 13th, 2012 at 11:02:42 AM permalink
The rule is 'no personal insults'. The wiz even had a poll to determine if the rule should go, acknowledging he didn't like to moderate and make judgment calls on the gray insults. A large majority said keep the rule. It's not that hard to not call people names, even if it is the truth.
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August 13th, 2012 at 11:07:19 AM permalink
Quote: dwheatley

It's not that hard to not call people names, even if it is the truth.



I agree. But I also agree with 1BB's point that several obvious insults go unpunished.

It's like a speeding penalty. If flow of traffic in a 55mph zone is 70mph, I'm going to drive 70mph. If I then get pulled over, I'm going to wonder what made my infraction worse than that of everyone else on the road. Usually, that's the point at which I realize that I'm in a rental car with out-of-state plates.
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August 13th, 2012 at 11:17:11 AM permalink
Blonde hair and post count are solid indicators of suspendability.
Members that spend their entire lives parked in front of a computer
can get away with almost anything; unless they are negative to a
blonde member.....then post count seems irrelevant.

With my lowly lost count, and lack of blonde hair, I may be barred
indefinitely for simply noting a clear bias.
"I am a man devoured by the passion for gambling." --Dostoevsky, 1871
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August 13th, 2012 at 11:21:54 AM permalink
I have blonde hair and I have been suspended. OOOps forget that. I am a male.
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August 13th, 2012 at 11:46:21 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I agree. But I also agree with 1BB's point that several obvious insults go unpunished.

It's like a speeding penalty. If flow of traffic in a 55mph zone is 70mph, I'm going to drive 70mph. If I then get pulled over, I'm going to wonder what made my infraction worse than that of everyone else on the road. Usually, that's the point at which I realize that I'm in a rental car with out-of-state plates.



Fair enough, but the fact that some people DO get pulled over has its impact on the population. Most people don't speed excessively for fear of getting pulled over some day, even if they do speed regularly. It's not fair when you get tagged at the same speed for you and everyone else drive every day just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but that fear keeps the overall speed of traffic down.

Having (not-so)-random people tagged for insults, but not all, is almost as effective and a lot easier than tagging everyone.
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EvenBob
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August 13th, 2012 at 11:54:33 AM permalink
Quote: dwheatley

The rule is 'no personal insults'.



I told him getting personal isn't worth it. If
you can't discuss based on the merits of
what you know, getting personal will only
make matters worse.

I've said this here a hundred times, but this
was drilled into our heads in collge debate
class. Never stoop to name calling, it signals
to the other guy that you're on the ropes,
you're out of ideas.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
buzzpaff
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August 13th, 2012 at 11:58:58 AM permalink
Too bad
you can't look up things yourself, you'd be amazed
what it does for ignorance.
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August 13th, 2012 at 12:15:53 PM permalink
As always, context is everything. My son tells me the worst possible insult you can hurl against someone is "Your mother is a Kansas alum!" (He is undergrad at Mizzou). I think that the 'jackass' comment, was not over the line. If someone calls me a jackass I will defend myself, but not cut off the conversation, at least not initially. I've been called a liar here, which to me is FAR worse than being called a jackass. I want neither of those two people suspended. Just like I don't want to be suspended for my 'jerk' comment to Buzz. He took it the way it was meant, eventually he apologized to the poster he made fun of, so I think my comment added to the forum, not detracted from it. I think kewlj adds a lot to the forum, and I hope he comes back after his suspension is over.
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August 13th, 2012 at 12:29:40 PM permalink
SOOPOO I sure did not take it as an insult. However as a shop steward at AT&T, I loved the word jerk. Suits get just as mad when you call them a jerk as asshole, but you can not suspend anybody for it.
JB is a square dude, but kewjl can not post, send PM etc, so I stated his case.

I was in Denver AT&T office 2 weeks before it was moved to Phoenix for internal politics. 2nd level in Phoenix was a real asshole.
Was working a Saturday, 15minutes to 4, just 3 of us in office, trying to set up clean transfer for evening shift at Phoenix. Leonard called
and asked me why only 2 techs in all of Denver were logged onto tickets. ( I was putting fires out with a customer at the time he called.

I told Leonard it was because there were only 3 techs in Denver and one of them was now wasting his time talking to a " jerk " on the phone. He swore he would get me fired. Actually had my second line take a cab from home and catch me before I left. She asked why I called Leonard a "JERK" and i said he was one, that's why.

On a tele-conference the following Monday , the District level told Leonard to quit being a jerk and concentrate on a smooth transfer. LOL

Did not hurt that I knew the district level was banging his secretary.
EvenBob
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August 13th, 2012 at 12:34:29 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I think that the 'jackass' comment, was not over the line..



Sure it was, its name calling. If you allow jackass,
whats next, 'douchebag'? Then what, 'jerkoff'? You
have to have a line thats not crossed, or soon all
the name calling will be back. Its not easy being
a mod, many people won't agree with your decisions.

Its like having a curfew for your 14 yr old. If its
10pm, soon it will be 10:15 if you let it. Then it
will be 10:45 and so on. Either you have rules
or you don't, there's no middle of the road.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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August 13th, 2012 at 12:47:40 PM permalink
There was a tv show called Jackass. I do not have cable so I might have missed Douchebag.

My dad drove a cab for 20 years. I hustled pool in bars for almost that long. I can safely assume
with your background that at some point in yourpast you were called worse than jackass.
And, under fear of suspension, can only assume your were on at least one occasion deserving of being called much worse.

RULES : Where is the list ? Now you are sounding like Paigowdan and card counting LOL

At least Dan does not call me a cheater anymore.

" Its not easy being
a mod, many people won't agree with your decisions. "

Then you should not have volunteered to be a secret administrator !
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August 13th, 2012 at 12:50:23 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

RULES : Where is the list ? Now you are sounding like Paigowdan and card counting LOL



Here:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/2-forum-rules/#post37215

Perhaps the addendum on the free speech zone should be ammended.
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August 13th, 2012 at 12:52:08 PM permalink
" Too bad
you can't look up things yourself, you'd be amazed
what it does for ignorance. "

You do know this is what you said, don't you. Should we ban implied name calling too?

I would have been more insulted by that post than being called a jackass.
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August 13th, 2012 at 12:56:18 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Then you should not have volunteered to be a secret administrator !



Pardon my internet ignorance. Do admins/mods get paid or is this a volunteer project?
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August 13th, 2012 at 12:56:28 PM permalink
And of course this ;

Nope, but I know BS when I see it. Try
and get your info from sources other
than BSNBC and MoveOn.barf

Your comment to the guy who called you a jackass.
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August 13th, 2012 at 12:57:26 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Pardon my internet ignorance. Do admins/mods get paid or is this a volunteer project?




It has always been my experience that vigilantes are unpaid. LOL
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August 13th, 2012 at 12:58:21 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

And of course this ;

Nope, but I know BS when I see it. Try
and get your info from sources other
than BSNBC and MoveOn.barf



Be more specific, what about it? You see name calling there?
Point it out.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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August 13th, 2012 at 1:01:21 PM permalink
Bob , you don't need it pointed out , do you? Really.

I better leave before I call anyone a jackass.
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August 13th, 2012 at 1:07:07 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Bob , you don't need it pointed out , do you? Really.

I better leave before I call anyone a jackass.



It's probably worth noting that FoxOpinion and Rush Limbarf are no better than MSNBC and Moveon.org. Gotta love people on the fringes of society firing shots at each other, just lobbing mud up over the 70% of the population whose ideology falls in the middle.
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August 13th, 2012 at 1:09:26 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Bob , you don't need it pointed out , do you? Really.
.



Obviously I do. Please point out where I
called him a name, or anbody for that
matter. Making an editorial comment isn't
name calling. If it were, there would be
no debates.

If I said to someone, 'you obviously don't
have a college degree', is that name calling?
Its an insult, but its not name calling. Surely
you see the difference? (no, I didn't just call
you Shirley, don't report me)
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August 13th, 2012 at 1:48:52 PM permalink
You agree that "You obviously don't have a college degree" is a personal insult and would be cause for suspension.

So you're arguing whether a personal insult is name calling.

I think it's time to end this discussion.
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August 13th, 2012 at 1:59:15 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule



I think it's time to end this discussion.



Probably. Especially since the rule in question bans all personal insults and not only name calling:-)
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August 13th, 2012 at 2:06:17 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

It's probably worth noting that FoxOpinion and Rush Limbarf are no better than MSNBC and Moveon.org. Gotta love people on the fringes of society firing shots at each other, just lobbing mud up over the 70% of the population whose ideology falls in the middle.



Fox is fair and balanced, you clearly haven't been watching there show the five where there is always four righties and one leftie. fair and balanced I say. :)
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August 13th, 2012 at 2:11:17 PM permalink
Quote: rainman

Fox is fair and balanced, you clearly haven't been watching there show the five where there is always four righties and one leftie. fair and balanced I say. :)



Are they all white and the liberal really fat?
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August 13th, 2012 at 2:14:52 PM permalink
Quote: kulin

Are they all white and the liberal really fat?



LoL, I believe that's accurate.
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August 13th, 2012 at 2:38:02 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

You agree that "You obviously don't have a college degree" is a personal insult and would be cause for suspension.
.



If thats true, then saying 'you obviously
have a college degree' should be grounds for suspension
too. Its an observation, a deduction.

Saying someone obviously doesn't have a college degree
is not the same as saying they're dumb. Its a way around
saying they're dumb. Big difference.
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August 13th, 2012 at 2:49:18 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

May I safely assume JB will be voting a straight Democrat ticket in November?


You may safely assume that I will not be voting in November.
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August 13th, 2012 at 2:56:47 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

It's probably worth noting that FoxOpinion and Rush Limbarf are no better than MSNBC and Moveon.org.



If I asked what you didn't like about Rush, you
wouldn't know because you've never listened.
to him. That fat faced guy, whats his name,
who's a senator from MN now, wrote a whole
book about his show and admitted he's never
listened to a minute of it. Yet he was an expert.

He later went on to be main guy on Airhead
America, and went down in flames. I did listen
to that, and it was nothing but sarcasm and insults.
No discussion of the issues, just frat boy humor.
I think the audience shrunk to 22 people after
I stopped listening.
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August 13th, 2012 at 3:08:26 PM permalink
Quote: JB

You may safely assume that I will not be voting in November.



Are you open to selling your vote?
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August 13th, 2012 at 3:14:04 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Are you open to selling your vote?



29.85.090 states "Any person who solicits, requests, or demands, directly or indirectly, any reward or thing of value or the promise thereof in exchange for his or her vote or in exchange for the vote of any other person for or against any candidate or for or against any ballot measure to be voted upon at a primary or special or general election is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable to the same extent as a gross misdemeanor that is punishable under 9A.20.021."
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August 13th, 2012 at 3:21:18 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

29.85.090 states ...



Note that I never offered to buy it, just asked if he would sell it. Nevertheless, I appreciate the warning.
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August 13th, 2012 at 3:45:32 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Are you open to selling your vote?


I don't even know if I am registered to vote where I live. I did convert my driver's license, so perhaps that automatically registered me.
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August 13th, 2012 at 3:48:51 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Note that I never offered to buy it, just asked if he would sell it. Nevertheless, I appreciate the warning.



Every 4 years you get people tring to sell their
votes on Ebay. Oops...
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