Discussion about the Suspension List

Quote: Mosca

LOL, this cuts right to the nut.

Or it would, if it had anything to do with what was actually said. But what was actually said seems to have shrunk into irrelevance.

Quote: Nareed

Not even a little.

But corruption is, in some levels, less now than it used to be. I've obtained and renewed my driver's license at elast five times since the 80s and paid not one cent in bribes, even when once I missed some papers.

However mkl wasn't talking about govenrment or bureaucracy, but of private parties in a regular transaction. Corruption there is just about non-existent. That makes it a bigotted statement. But if he wants to rationalize it and keep hanging himself with his own words, he's most welcome to keep at it.

And thanks to rdw4potus, thecesspit and Mosca for your support. It's just not worth going to war against an unarmed opponent.

Nareed, I know from your posting history that you won't acknowledge when you're wrong. So I have no hope in that regard. I also perceive that you are hypersensitive about certain things. Your recent postings on this thread are emblematic.

The Mexican culture not only revolves around bribery, it embraces it. I don't pretend to know the reasons or the history behind it, except that a fairly weak rule of law, widespread poverty, and a highly stratified class structure are common to most countries that have a corruption problem. Certainly, the situation can improve, and there are signs that it IS improving in Mexico. But to pretend that corruption doesn't exist there is ludicrous, and to get offended because a person says that such corruption does exist is a waste of high blood pressure.

But feel free to get as indignant as you feel is necessary, nonetheless.

Quote: Wizard

Quote: Nareed

Try this. Last post. You are referring to a transaction between private parties, in other words Mexican people, and you kick the entire culture while you're at it.

Did you mean this post?

If any person would view that post as being "racist" or "bigoted", I suppose so. But I don't see how a reasonable person could do that. Travel to the Mexican Riviera or Cancun and you get charged as much for your hotel rooms and meals as you would in Miami or Honolulu. Given the relative strengths of the dollar and the peso, and the average wage in Mexico, the prices there should be about a fifth of what they are here (especially given the recent devaluation of the peso). But the resorts charge the prices that they do because the Americans who pay those prices don't know any better.

Quote: mkl654321

Nareed,

There. You got one thing right.

You're back on the blocked list. Pity it didn't last.

Quote: Nareed

There. You got one thing right.

You're back on the blocked list. Pity it didn't last.

Not "the" blocked list. YOUR blocked list. An honor, IMHO. I don't dialogue well with the hyper-indignant.

Quote: Nareed

I've obtained and renewed my driver's license at least five times since the 80s and paid not one cent in bribes

I got my first DL in 1965 and if I ever even tried to bribe somebody at the DMV, they would call the police. Thats how its supposed to be in civilized society, not being shook down by every low level bureaucrat at every level of gov't. Ask yourself this, Nareed. How did Mexico get the way it is and why are they so set on not changing.

Quote: mkl654321

Not "the" blocked list. YOUR blocked list. An honor, IMHO. I don't dialogue well with the hyper-indignant.

After the last few days I think I will remove MKL from *my* blocked list. Good work making a point of conversation and not apologizing because someone decided to get offended.

Quote: mkl654321

Or it would, if it had anything to do with what was actually said. But what was actually said seems to have shrunk into irrelevance.

He was offended by what you wrote. You'd rather try to win the internet than apologize. That is what I mean when I said it gets right to the nut.

Quote: EvenBob

I got my first DL in 1965 and if I ever even tried to bribe somebody at the DMV, they would call the police. Thats how its supposed to be in civilized society, not being shook down by every low level bureaucrat at every level of gov't.

Absolutely. But the fact that around 1982 you were expected to bribe the clerk and the doctor when getting a license and now you're not, surely that is a sign of preogress. Likewise that the Mex City police will issue fines more often than they'll ask for a bribe (the Mexico State police are another matter; I don't think they'd know a fine if they saw one).

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Ask yourself this, Nareed. How did Mexico get the way it is and why are they so set on not changing.

I don't know how it got that way. There are numerous theories. But I deny there's been no change.

Quote: Nareed

Absolutely. But the fact that around 1982 you were expected to bribe the clerk and the doctor

You have a doctor at the DMV? What on earth for?