Discussion about the Suspension List
Actually it is not complicated like all the baccarat crap that is out there. I have said this before in here. It requires no more than five sentences in less than 15 minutes and you move on with your life.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm surprised because baccarat seems very boring, but I guess that's why you guys come up with all this complicated guessing systems. You certainly have enough time with all the sitting out you guys normally do.
To be fair I didn't fall asleep because It was boring, it was just the opposite, I had far to much excitement fot the day. I had been in the casino all day I hit something near the end but the paperwork was taking longer than expected.
There's a big difference between a crapaccarat system and that.Quote: DMSCRYou answered your question. Now why would I be stupid enough to show you or anyone anything? How is that going to help me? And what makes you think you are special? LOL. Plus what I have is not a system anyways. I guess like most folks you like to go cherry picking my comments. Guess like you have some homework to do where you have to look back at my past posts to find the answer. Most likely you wouldn't which I hope you don't. LOL.
Axie keep assuming what is already out there. Enjoy that kool aid.
It's not good to publicly talk about a REAL method one using special promotions, slot clubs or machines/games that actually work mathematically. The casino can quickly change something like this, sometimes within minutes.
You can probably make 100's of millions on crapaccarat before they would even blink.
Aliens will have visited before they change the rules of baccarat.
Any methods I claim work, I can show in theory and in reality use it and show a real profit AND I can show you the math on paper.
The benefits? You'll be a very wealthy and famous man, if you so choose you'll be the next Thorp.
I promise hookers and blow or millions if you show me a working baccarat betting system.
PS. How come all the surveillance people watching you suddenly don't take up baccarat.
Oh NVM they cant detect simple guessing methods via video.
You had me at hello.Quote: AxelWolf...I promise hookers and blow...
Quote: AxelWolfThere's a big difference between a crapaccarat system and that.
Its not good to publicly talk about a REAL method using special promotions slot clubs or machine/game that actually works mathematically. The casino can quickly change something like this sometimes within minutes.
You can probably make 100s of millions on baccarat before they would even blink.
Aliens will have visited before they change the rules of baccarat.
Ant methods I claim work I can show in theory and in reality use it and show a real profit AND I can show you the math on paper.
The benefits? You'll be a very wealthy and famous man, if you so choose you'll be the next Thorp.
I promise hookers and blow or millions if you show me a working baccarat betting system.
This is what happens when trying to deal with someone who wants to be RIGHT. Waste of time. Look Uncle Axie if you want someone to show you a solution to this baccarat puzzle I am not the one nor am I stupid enough to do so. Plus the WOV board is definitely not the place to find it. Wealthy? Hmmm that could happen and on the flip side this can all blow up in my face. But what is important is I learn how to play correctly and continuously evolve this on my own and not with anyone else. This game has liberated me in ways beyond what I first intended as some freakish hobby/muse/side hussle. Famous? Something I definitely do not want at all. I WANT MY HOOKERS AND BLOW IN PEACE! Hahaha.
What I like about this board is to read up on other folks who doesn't follow the usual conventional path to life. Like a good and "safe" job and what not. Folks who follow the path of Jesse Livermore casino style minus the gun shot to the head.
If you think and feel that baccarat is a piece of garbage game so be it. I am not the one who is going to change your mind. Not my place. Plus I don't want to defend this game since it is not something that is worth defending.
Quote: AxelWolf
PS. How come all the surveillance people watching you suddenly don't take up baccarat.
Oh NVM they cant detect simple guessing methods via video.
If everyone starts doing it and busting up the tables then things are going to get uncomfortable. Since it is probably just me it would be a waste of time. Plus taking a few chips here and there without causing a big stir would be wasting casino resources. I mean it would be petty and dumb to get on someone's case who just won $800.
Rent-boyzzz and E for youQuote: RomesYou had me at hello.
Quote: DMSCRThis is what happens when trying to deal with someone who wants to be RIGHT. Waste of time. Look Uncle Axie if you want someone to show you a solution to this baccarat puzzle I am not the one nor am I stupid enough to do so. Plus the WOV board is definitely not the place to find it. Wealthy? Hmmm that could happen and on the flip side this can all blow up in my face. But what is important is I learn how to play correctly and continuously evolve this on my own and not with anyone else. This game has liberated me n ways beyond what I first intended as some freakish hobby/muse/side hussle. Famous? Something I definitely do not want at all. I WANT MY HOOKERS AND BLOW IN PEACE! Hahaha.
Let me edit that for you.
Quote: DMSCRThe truth is...I have nothing to show you●
Quote: AxelWolfLet me edit that for you.
No I don't have to show you anything because there is nothing in it for me to do so. Your petty cheap shots are great evidence that is so.
Going back to your own comment:
Quote: AxelWolfWhy talk about it at all?
Also spreading to much information (especially publicly) leads to more competition, and again it wises up casinos and darksiders.
For all I know you sound like one of the many darksiders I run into. And the further your replies to me is getting more toxic. Hmmmm... definitely a darksider I am dealing with. Cherry picking my comments and now twisting/editing my words for your own whatever. Classy. Very classy. Thank goodness our interaction is just online and not in person.
You know Axe from all your responses to me deep down you want to crack this game yet couldn't because for whatever reason. So whatever Jedi mind tricks you are trying to throw at me to open up is just going to end up in a big constant circle.
I'm the furthest thing from a darksider you could imagination.Quote: DMSCRNo I don't because there is nothing in it for me to do so.
Going back to your own comment:
For all I know you sound like one of the many darksiders I run into.
Let's try hard to pretend your system actually works.
what is it you would like to have?
FYI there are many benefits to you showing the right people. I know that from experience. Most AP's are much better off with a few good partners.
And they will share their hookers and blow with you. I hear It's no fun to hooker and blow yourself.
Quote: AxelWolf
I hear It's no fun to hooker and blow yourself.
You carry such Thomas Crown kind of class with that reply. Now I really hope we don't ever run into each other. Yikes.
Quote: WizardofnothingWhy even bother - I'd be willing to put up somewhere between500k and a million if you even had close to a working beatable system/ on bac- excluding side bets and or mail and extras- it's just outright bunk that you are claiming to beat a game that is uncountable and has a negative ev/ short of using something that I or somewhere else already mentioned- there so nothing for you to show because it simply doesn't exist - it's just dumbfounding that you what to make people think that there is..... Let me guess .... You and darkoz are writing the book together?
You always love to get things wrong do you. LOL. Why would I want or need your bankroll for? Then get table scraps in return? Plus I would be back in employee mode having to deal with your bs. I know a few folks who play with other people's money so they can feel "safe." They don't own their own time anymore. WTF. They were right back to where they wanted to get out of.
Dealing with desperate people who want something from you is such a drain.
Hopefully for your own good and benefit you one day take that Red Pill. Plus if you have that 500K to a million you wouldn't be in all that stray jacket mode. You remind me too much of that UKFanatic dude from VMB. That bro flushes money down at the tables like a brother no other. Holy crap the way he loses money is sick to my stomach.
Can I request half the hookers and half the blow, and the rest in cash?Quote: RomesYou had me at hello.
Quote: DMSCRThis is what happens when trying to deal with someone who wants to be RIGHT. Waste of time. Look Uncle Axie if you want someone to show you a solution to this baccarat puzzle I am not the one nor am I stupid enough to do so. Plus the WOV board is definitely not the place to find it. Wealthy? Hmmm that could happen and on the flip side this can all blow up in my face. But what is important is I learn how to play correctly and continuously evolve this on my own and not with anyone else. This game has liberated me in ways beyond what I first intended as some freakish hobby/muse/side hussle. Famous? Something I definitely do not want at all. I WANT MY HOOKERS AND BLOW IN PEACE! Hahaha.
What I like about this board is to read up on other folks who doesn't follow the usual conventional path to life. Like a good and "safe" job and what not. Folks who follow the path of Jesse Livermore casino style minus the gun shot to the head.
If you think and feel that baccarat is a piece of garbage game so be it. I am not the one who is going to change your mind. Not my place. Plus I don't want to defend this game since it is not something that is worth defending.
If everyone starts doing it and busting up the tables then things are going to get uncomfortable. Since it is probably just me it would be a waste of time. Plus taking a few chips here and there without causing a big stir would be wasting casino resources. I mean it would be petty and dumb to get on someone's case who just won $800.
So you find something that is totally and completely awesome....and instead of getting investors to actually make money and throw down large bets, you'd rather duck around for $800?????
RollingStoned on BJTF is me (RS) on WOV
In light of what has happened, some may find this humorous:
Quote: QFITAnyone that knows me knows that I despise such [forum] wars.
your welcome
Seriously, what an epic and humerus way to end such a feud. I 2nd this... You really bond with someone (I think) when you share, and vomit, 100 chicken nuggets with them.Quote: ontariodealerkj/qfit.....100 mcnuggets each, first one to toss leaves wov,
your welcome
I say drop them off downtown with a $1000 and see who comes back with more employing their own BJ method.Quote: RomesSeriously, what an epic and humerus way to end such a feud. I 2nd this... You really bond with someone (I think) when you share, and vomit, 100 chicken nuggets with them.
I hope you are staying hydrated, and pause for a deep breath now and then, like now for instance. I wish you well, and tons of gummy bears...Quote: DMSCRI am calling bullsh*t. Heard this crap before more than once. You are not the first. If you have that kind of money you keep it. But I highly doubt that you do. With that reply you need to keep that ego in check. You sound like someone who would go on vengeance tilts. That is NOT good at all.
500K to $1mil Hahahaha...... that is alot of gummy bears, cigarette butts and used condoms you plan to throw in my way.
Please take your derail baccarat nonsense to the systems forum. Thanks.Quote: DMSCRLOL. Surprisingly dodging the bullets from a few of you folks while at the same time able to express my thoughts about all of this is very "therapeutic."
Quote: teliotPlease take your derail baccarat nonsense to the systems page (which I have blocked). Thanks.
I was just about to say something...this Bac stuff is almost kind of sort of like hijacking a thread...
Quote: teliotPlease take your derail baccarat nonsense to the systems forum. Thanks.
You mean you don't get a good laugh out of all that stuff?
The first time they say the joke, yes. After that it just gets more and more annoying.Quote: IbeatyouracesYou mean you don't get a good laugh out of all that stuff?
So back to the show.
Quote: beachbumbabsGood grief, guys. Nothing worse (on a forum) than seeing 2 decent and respected people lose it. How does it benefit anyone, most of all yourselves, to seem so small and petty when neither of you are?
I challenge you both to come back here and ignore each other when your suspensions are up, and be welcomed back into this forum. Let's move forward, huh? Thin skin just leads to melanoma.
Well there is always that ignore button. I highly doubt that would be used though. Too much ego involved as usual. And I say the Wiz went above and beyond to mend something that had nothing to do with "his" forum.
Hopefully you've already moved your show to the systems forum. This forum is for discussion about the suspension list. And, right now, there is a very interesting discussion going on that is very hard to follow because there is a lot of derail baccarat noise here. You're continuation of your baccarat silliness in this thread is, at best, disrespectfulQuote: DMSCRSo back to the show.
Having run a forum myself for almost 3 years, and having hosted Zen Grifter on my site for a couple of years (I hosted the original zenzone), I know many of the players in this dispute. I have my own thoughts on the matter, but prefer to hear others address the thorny issues.
The biggest problem with moderating a forum is deciding what shouldn't be there. That's the editorial decision that draws the most fire and can make running a forum an incredibly unpleasant experience. Knowing you have members on your own site who you wish weren't there, but haven't crossed any clear lines, separates the good from bad forum hosts. Threats of physical harm and lawsuits are not uncommon. That is the line that KJ and Norm are discussing and I find it fascinating and troubling.
What I don't find fascinating is your derail of this discussion into baccarat nonsense. Please! Please! Take it somewhere else. Make your previous post the last post on the subject in this forum.
Quote: teliotHopefully you've already moved your show to the systems forum. This forum is for discussion about the suspension list. And, right now, there is a very interesting discussion going on that is very hard to follow because there is a lot of derail baccarat noise here. You're continuation of your baccarat silliness in this thread is, at best, disrespectful
Having run a forum myself for almost 3 years, and having hosted Zen Grifter on my site for a couple of years (I hosted the original zenzone), I know many of the players in this dispute. I have my own thoughts on the matter, but prefer to hear others address the thorny issues.
The biggest problem with moderating a forum is deciding what shouldn't be there. That's the editorial decision that draws the most fire and can make running a forum an incredibly unpleasant experience. Knowing you have members on your own site who you wish weren't there, but haven't crossed any clear lines, separates the good from bad forum hosts. Threats of physical harm and lawsuits are not uncommon. That is the line that KJ and Norm are discussing and I find it fascinating and troubling.
What I don't find fascinating is your derail of this discussion into baccarat nonsense. Please! Please! Take it somewhere else. Make your previous post the last post on the subject in this forum.
Actually you are right. Looking back it was disrupting the flow. Now I wish I can go back and delete the rest.
As for the KJ and Norm situation. Unless there is actual action taken place real life and not just sticking things only with online rhetoric there is nothing troubling. I mean now since you mentioned that you ran a board yourself have you experienced and seen things actually taken place outside of your board? Online threats happen all the time in the heat of the moment. When the parties log off and cool off it is just another online phenomenon that will clear itself on its own. Typical online ego filled drama.
I mean given how many see you as some sort of "traitor" like John May. And as a result how many of the threats you have received become some actual face to face situation?
Give the guy a freakin' break will ya? He just came off of suspension in case you didn't notice. I advised him to take a deep breath. My advice for you is two.Quote: teliotHopefully you've already moved your show to the systems forum. This forum is for discussion about the suspension list. And, right now, there is a very interesting discussion going on that is very hard to follow because there is a lot of derail baccarat noise here. You're continuation of your baccarat silliness in this thread is, at best, disrespectful
Having run a forum myself for almost 3 years, and having hosted Zen Grifter on my site for a couple of years (I hosted the original zenzone), I know many of the players in this dispute. I have my own thoughts on the matter, but prefer to hear others address the thorny issues.
The biggest problem with moderating a forum is deciding what shouldn't be there. That's the editorial decision that draws the most fire and can make running a forum an incredibly unpleasant experience. Knowing you have members on your own site who you wish weren't there, but haven't crossed any clear lines, separates the good from bad forum hosts. Threats of physical harm and lawsuits are not uncommon. That is the line that KJ and Norm are discussing and I find it fascinating and troubling.
What I don't find fascinating is your derail of this discussion into baccarat nonsense. Please! Please! Take it somewhere else. Make your previous post the last post on the subject in this forum.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI see that he's called us all "morons" on a different forum...
If I wanted to say that I would actually say it. That would most likely to put me in the ice box in here but I will still say it if the situation calls for it. So there.
Quote: DMSCRIf I wanted to say that I would actually say it...
You did say it..
Could you send me whatever you found through PM or if the Mods allow it just post it here publicly.
Come on people now,
smile on your brother.
Everybody get together.
Try to love one another,
right now.
Credit the Yardbirds for lyrics, and EB for formatting.
Come on guys! Breathe big, it's hard to do with your teeth clenched ;-)
Every similar forum on the web that exists and probably ever has existed that caters primarily to the very small subculture of those who really, really want to identify as "advantage players" or other flavors of serious gamblers continually has the same problems and always will. Because those who tend to be most intensely drawn to gambling to the extent they make it a major part of their life have always included a very high proportion of folks with particular kinds of emotional "issues" and certain kinds of conditions. Forms of autism for one. Fetal alcohol syndrome for another. Among many, and often more than one going on. The sort of issues and conditions that have had volumes written about them in medical literature, and their relationship to gambling, and are associated with challenges with getting along in the world that are a lot broader and deeper than any game, and that existed long before first setting foot in any casino or even becoming old enough to do so. And they can't ever be magically cured by something that might be done by someone operating a discussion forum. And the > 90% of the population that does not share those pre-existing emotional and mental conditions tend to be discouraged from being a very active part of the quite peculiar kind of little social world that develops within such a subculture.
Very unpopular to some when said "out loud" but true and screaming, flaming, big flashing neon sign with a brass band level of obvious within the first few minutes to most people. Yes it is, and it is most peoples' take away and what they mostly have to say about such little grouplets, this one no more or less than some others. Which is what keeps these forums very small. It just is what it is, and won't change.
Or alternatively, it is really everybody else in the world that has a problem, and "we" are really the ones who are just fine because of clinging in a circle with a chant that it is so, when not at each other's throats, and "they" are the ones who just don't "get it" like "we" in the little circle do. A lot like some other subcultures with folks with some of the same issues resulting in the intense pursuit of similar narrowly focused interests:
Oh well. Tomorrow is Thursday. Unless that's just a conspiracy to screw "us" over, and only fools believe in that plot against us.
Quote: TwoFeathersATL
Credit the Yardbirds for lyrics
The Youngbloods
How much weed did you smoke before writing that beautifully inane post? I kid, and you may be partially correct, though I don't think I'm a fetal alcohol autistic person clinging to the forums for humanity sakes =D.Quote: DrawingDeadThis is silly, as usual. And today is Wednesday. Another dumpster fire.
Every similar forum on the web that exists and probably ever has existed that caters primarily to the very small subculture of those who really, really want to identify as "advantage players" or other flavors of serious gamblers continually has the same problems and always will. Because those who tend to be most intensely drawn to gambling to the extent they make it a major part of their life have always included a very high proportion of folks with particular kinds of emotional "issues" and certain kinds of conditions. Forms of autism for one. Fetal alcohol syndrome for another. Among many, and often more than one going on. The sort of issues and conditions that have had volumes written about them in medical literature, and their relationship to gambling, and are associated with challenges with getting along in the world that are a lot broader and deeper than any game, and that existed long before first setting foot in any casino or even becoming old enough to do so. And they can't ever be magically cured by something that might be done by someone operating a discussion forum. And the > 90% of the population that does not share those pre-existing emotional and mental conditions tend to be discouraged from being a very active part of the quite peculiar kind of little social world that develops within such a subculture.
Very unpopular to some when said "out loud" but true and screaming, flaming, big flashing neon sign with a brass band level of obvious within the first few minutes to most people. Yes it is, and it is most peoples' take away and what they mostly have to say about such little grouplets, this one no more or less than some others. Which is what keeps these forums very small. It just is what it is, and won't change.
Or alternatively, it is really everybody else in the world that has a problem, and "we" are really the ones who are just fine because of clinging in a circle with a chant that it is so, when not at each other's throats, and "they" are the ones who just don't "get it" like "we" in the little circle do. A lot like some other subcultures with folks with some of the same issues resulting in the intense pursuit of similar narrowly focused interests:
Oh well. Tomorrow is Thursday. Unless that's just a conspiracy to screw "us" over, and only fools believe in that plot against us.
Or not, if you prefer. So nevermind, if you like. Everybody who's ever looked at the issue is probably just some kind of pinhead with a stupid worthless paper to write, and has it all wrong. They're all fine. Actually brilliant, in fact. Yeah, let's go with that. We'll say just not so well understood by all the lesser folk who make up most of the world. Carry on.
In fact some that I haven't ever had occasion to be around, that I and quite a few others I know might think are barking at the moon wacko (pardon the judgmental technical term) have even been described as sweet by others. No doubt. Prolly made of nothing but Tupelo honey.
Damnation, I knew that. I can't get anything right anymore.Quote: PuckerbuttThe Youngbloods
So I hit my 16 vs 10 w/ 2 cards, but I stand on my 16 vs 10 w/3 cards? True count is neutral, 3 decks in, 6 aces are gone, also 8 5's, 16 monkeys, and I think I saw a partridge sitting in a pear tree ;-)
<edit> been a bunch of 2's too, and the sevens are following me around like the NSA. I need a break!
Yep, that one jumped out at me too.Quote: PuckerbuttThe Youngbloods
Quote: mcallister3200Gets suspended for hijacking. Upon return, immediately hijacks exact same thread he/she got suspended for hijacking....
Yeah, DMSCR and others on here. This thread is impossible to split; takes 20 minutes just to load pre-split within the macro, then I can only read the first line or two of what's said, quote or not, to mark it for a split. It crashed my computer yesterday trying to deal with it, and I gave up.
STOP posting random crap here! STOP posting hijacks here! This is not the first time we've made that request, and it generates complaints when you do it anyway, beyond the comments (further cluttering the thread) in-thread about it happening. Please consider this a warning, that I will have zero tolerance from here on out for off-topic stuff in this thread, and there will be action. Thanks very much.
Quote: beachbumbabsYeah, DMSCR and others on here. This thread is impossible to split; takes 20 minutes just to load pre-split within the macro, then I can only read the first line or two of what's said, quote or not, to mark it for a split. It crashed my computer yesterday trying to deal with it, and I gave up.
STOP posting random crap here! STOP posting hijacks here! This is not the first time we've made that request, and it generates complaints when you do it anyway, beyond the comments (further cluttering the thread) in-thread about it happening. Please consider this a warning, that I will have zero tolerance from here on out for off-topic stuff in this thread, and there will be action. Thanks very much.
I know everyone loves seeing how long this thread can go, but might it not be time to start a new Discussion About the Suspension List thread? Other than the fact that it is still easy for us to delete/edit individual posts, this thread is completely unmanageable.
In reality talking about why people have been suspended is -EV.
Quote: Mission146I know everyone loves seeing how long this thread can go, but might it not be time to start a new Discussion About the Suspension List thread? Other than the fact that it is still easy for us to delete/edit individual posts, this thread is completely unmanageable.
That's a much better idea than having to have different standards for hijacking. Thanks, Mission; let's do that. I'll retract my statement (quoted above) and go back to normal moderation on the topic.
This thread is closed. Further discussion of the suspension list can be found here.
Quote: AxelWolfI didn't realize that this thread was so important that it had to remain squeaky clean. The fact that this thread has other conversation on it should be thought of as a good thing.
In reality talking about why people have been suspended is -EV.
I agree with everything you said here. This (squeaky clean) is/was a limitation of the board's thread capacity and not really a content issue. However, hijacking the new thread, as in hijacking others, will still be an administrative issue.
