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gr8player
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October 21st, 2013 at 7:56:23 AM permalink
Quote: soxfan

It sure is good to see the gr888888888one/john-O feud goin strong after all these years, hey hey.



Is there any wonder of the "feud", Soxster?

Just read his posts....the man is, obviously, a "troubled person", with "issues"....
....almost makes one feel sorry for him....until you remember him calling a forum member IN HIS HOME TO THREATEN HIM.

Garbage, absolute garbage....
AxelWolf
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October 21st, 2013 at 8:08:35 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

In whose "reality", AxelWolf? Yours?

And here you're portrayed by your pal mickeycrimm as a savvy AP.....

.....hmmm, it's difficult to fathom after reading such an absolutely inane comment coming from you.

Its simple, prove one thing your saying. A simple cell phone video will do. I have secretly taken video in many casinos with no problem at all, there is a free app that hides what is being filmed on your screen, you can then simply edit your face out of the video or just not film it. You can let someone from the forum watch, it dose not have to be anyone you dislike. Just someone with a solid reputation.

Nothing I say is in question from anyone, everything you say is by just about everyone. I can back up any of my claims, with action, math and witnesses. Including some well known high profile gamblers/writers/lawyers/casinos/taxforms

then again, I'm not "Desperately Seeking anything" other then less competition and dumb casinos
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
gr8player
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October 21st, 2013 at 8:32:15 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I have secretly taken video in many casinos with no problem at all, there is a free app that hides what is being filmed on your screen



Wow.....
............the audacity of me, refusing to play alongside such a reputable person as yourself in the casino.......SHEEEESH......

How many times must I repeat it?: I am nobody's fool.
AxelWolf
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October 21st, 2013 at 8:41:52 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Wow.....
............the audacity of me, refusing to play alongside such a reputable person as yourself in the casino.......SHEEEESH......

How many times must I repeat it?: I am nobody's fool.

I explained not me. SOMEONE YOU LIKE. What are you worried about? Seriously please explain.

after you explain some lame reason. explain why not take a video of your play as I said, ITS IS VERY SIMPLE considering the time and effort you put forth here defending your method of play. At least you would shut me up.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 21st, 2013 at 8:46:22 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Wow.....
............the audacity of me, refusing to play alongside such a reputable person as yourself in the casino.......SHEEEESH......

How many times must I repeat it?: I am nobody's fool.


C'mon, teacher, don't be afraid to prove why you're the world's foremost expert on everything baccarat!!
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October 21st, 2013 at 11:27:17 AM permalink
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Quote: rob45

As we're all surely developing headaches by now, let's break the monotony of attempting to make sense out of the nonsensical.

I have controlled my emotion as long as possible, yet now feel compelled to have it come out into the open, as I feel it can be contained no longer.

I must finally admit that I am somewhat envious of Beethoven.
As the student of his teacher, he is privy to acquiring the knowledge which I may only dream of acquiring.

I, too, wish to be taught how to interpret gibberish.
I, too, wish to possess the ability to learn a new type of "math". You know, that type of math that overcomes the other type of math.
I, too, wish to learn how to defeat a negative expectation game. Not for any need of profit, but "because I can".
I, too, wish to learn the art of redefining concrete terms as needed to suit my views.

And finally, I, too, wish to learn how to become a professional guesser.

Beethoven, you must have the best teacher in the world, and for that I envy you.
Alas, should you ever wish to pursue a field of study outside of your teacher's expertise, I could never hope to be the next student in line; I'm too lazy for that much homework.


And now, since recess is over, it's back to the classroom. For this afternoon's class session, we will require the Nonsense-English dictionary.



Hello, rob45. Very clever post, indeed. Thank you for your interest.

I'm afraid that I cannot teach you to be a, as you put it, "professional guesser".

You see, my friend, I don't "guess". Ever. I have certain plays that I follow exclusively, and I bet for them when they are prominent within this particular shoe or portion thereof.

Nice try, though.

Stay well, my friend.


How can the decisions you make be labeled as anything other than guesses, be they successful or unsuccessful?

I "guess" I may be getting better at interpreting the gibberish.

Whenever you use the term "doms", I interpret that as betting on patterns.
I "guess" there is nothing wrong with using that method, as I believe in the concept of "to each his/her own". The problem is that it does indeed qualify as being Gamblers Fallacy, since you're using past history as the precursor to future results without proving that the pattern (another name for past results) does indeed influence the next hand.
So whenever you lay the money out there, you're guessing.

Whenever you choose to "sit out", "no bet", etc., I interpret that as not finding a pattern/trend that establishes confidence in the next guess.
I witness it all the time on both roulette and bacarrat. Too many reds in a row? Simply wait until the next black rolls before betting. Too many Bankers? Same thing.
We would never want to be accused of guessing incorrectly, so "let's sit it out until the proper pattern resumes".

Here's some more gibberish that I feel is becoming more clear to me- "recoup mode".
Here is my interpretation- "My previous guess was incorrect, so this is my method of chasing a loss.", AKA, "Here is my negative betting progression."
There is nothing wrong with an individual doing that, provided the risks are both known and understood; however, you seem to be implying that doing so actually increases the chances of "guessing correctly" during future, larger wagers.

In the end, your bet is a wager. By definition, a wager is something (in this case, money) risked on an uncertain event.
Whenever you are uncertain, you are guessing.
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October 21st, 2013 at 12:44:55 PM permalink
Hello again, rob45.

You appear intent on relegating my Baccarat plays, approaches, and theories as totally unworthy of consideration. You've even gone so far as to label them as "gibberish".

Let's make no mistake of it, rob45, I happen to find that offensive.

I've spent a great deal of time and effort into the adoption and facilitation of my Baccarat approaches and plays, and so it's difficult to see you render it all as baseless; and all accomplished through your use of semantics.

What you deem as "guessing", I term as "bet selection process". Vital to my play.

What you deem as "guessing", I term as "patience and discipline". My "no-bet" option is, again, vital to my play.

What you deem as "guessing", I term as "recoup mode". And yes, my risks are, in fact, "both known and understood" and, even further, measured. Oh, and vital to my play.

What you deem as "guessing", I term as "wagering". But pre-calculated and variance-measured wagering. Vital to my play.

Your desire to label all of that as "guessing" is, IMHO, unwarranted. Why? Because you've no interest in my Bac theories and/or approaches and/or plays, and, hence, choose not to comprehend them as anything more than, well, "gibberish". It is all too easy, when breaking down each defined word literally, to use semantics as the tool in your vain attempt to dismantle the very foundation of my Bac play.

Finally, rob45, it's "gibberish" only to those that wish not to understand any of it. Beauty, my friend, is in the eye of the beholder. Those that do understand my Baccarat theories/approaches/plays are the ones that glean the most from my posts and the most from my efforts here in this (and other) forum(s).

IF one were to choose to play this game, and IF one were serious about giving themselves the very best chance at true, long term success, one could do alot worse than perusing my posts/threads and gleaning the information contained therein, and then implementing a plan to incorporate it all into an approach or plan that is comfortable for them.

But I fear that is not what you want to hear, rob45. You've an agenda to serve here, and that is to "break my play down into YOUR words", with "YOUR meanings". For, to you, anything else is just "gibberish".
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October 21st, 2013 at 12:54:43 PM permalink
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah! You tell 'em, teacher!!!


In fact, let's prove to the forum how gr8 you really are by accepting the challenge!
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October 21st, 2013 at 1:33:41 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Hello again, rob45.

You appear intent on relegating my Baccarat plays, approaches, and theories as totally unworthy of consideration. You've even gone so far as to label them as "gibberish".

Let's make no mistake of it, rob45, I happen to find that offensive.

I've spent a great deal of time and effort into the adoption and facilitation of my Baccarat approaches and plays, and so it's difficult to see you render it all as baseless; and all accomplished through your use of semantics.

What you deem as "guessing", I term as "bet selection process". Vital to my play.

What you deem as "guessing", I term as "patience and discipline". My "no-bet" option is, again, vital to my play.

What you deem as "guessing", I term as "recoup mode". And yes, my risks are, in fact, "both known and understood" and, even further, measured. Oh, and vital to my play.

What you deem as "guessing", I term as "wagering". But pre-calculated and variance-measured wagering. Vital to my play.

Your desire to label all of that as "guessing" is, IMHO, unwarranted. Why? Because you've no interest in my Bac theories and/or approaches and/or plays, and, hence, choose not to comprehend them as anything more than, well, "gibberish". It is all too easy, when breaking down each defined word literally, to use semantics as the tool in your vain attempt to dismantle the very foundation of my Bac play.

Finally, rob45, it's "gibberish" only to those that wish not to understand any of it. Beauty, my friend, is in the eye of the beholder. Those that do understand my Baccarat theories/approaches/plays are the ones that glean the most from my posts and the most from my efforts here in this (and other) forum(s).

IF one were to choose to play this game, and IF one were serious about giving themselves the very best chance at true, long term success, one could do alot worse than perusing my posts/threads and gleaning the information contained therein, and then implementing a plan to incorporate it all into an approach or plan that is comfortable for them.

But I fear that is not what you want to hear, rob45. You've an agenda to serve here, and that is to "break my play down into YOUR words", with "YOUR meanings". For, to you, anything else is just "gibberish".

you just wrote 500 words about nothing it reads like a bad poem. It was gibberish
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 21st, 2013 at 1:35:17 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

IF one were to choose to play this game, and IF one were serious about giving themselves the very best chance at true, long term success, one could do alot worse than perusing my posts/threads and gleaning the information contained therein, and then implementing a plan to incorporate it all into an approach or plan that is comfortable for them.


No, actually, you couldn't do worse. You couldn't do better either, so there's that. For all your voluminous exhortations about spotting trends and relying on patterns to select your wagers, none of that matters at all in baccarat. You have no better chance at predicting the next hand of baccarat based on a sequence of past outcomes than you do predicting the next flip of a coin.
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October 21st, 2013 at 1:38:49 PM permalink
Yes you do
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 21st, 2013 at 1:39:52 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

you just wrote 500 words about nothing it reads like a bad poem. It was gibberish


LOL...he's been doing this for 7 years now. He has probably written a novel's worth of material about (like you said) NOTHING.
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October 21st, 2013 at 1:42:11 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

LOL...he's been doing this for 7 years now. He has probably written a novel's worth of material about (like you said) NOTHING.

so do u think he is down 1 dollar per word on bac?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 21st, 2013 at 1:51:50 PM permalink
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LOL

(The GR8 One & his eloquent way of saying absolutely NOTHING is always good for a laugh!)
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October 21st, 2013 at 1:57:28 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

No, actually, you couldn't do worse. You couldn't do better either, so there's that. For all your voluminous exhortations about spotting trends and relying on patterns to select your wagers, none of that matters at all in baccarat. You have no better chance at predicting the next hand of baccarat based on a sequence of past outcomes than you do predicting the next flip of a coin.



Hello, MathExtremist.

Sorry, can't agree with your assessment.

Baccarat is a closed-end shoe game. Once the cards are placed into the shoe, they are all pre-set to be dealt mechanically, according to the drawing rules, by the dealer.

Trends become apparent, to the trained eye, from the dealings of these cards and the results thereof.

I've no doubt in my mind of the validity of that affirmation: trends exist at this game.

Now, understand, sometimes they are indistinguishable, and, thus, rendered as useless information, where "no-betting" is the best available option.

BUUUTTT, MathExtremist, there are those other, more "trendable" times, that we as Baccarat aficionados absolutely live for.....

Suffice to say, my friend, that it becomes a rather interesting proposition for the most patient and disciplined of players.

Stay well.
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October 21st, 2013 at 2:00:40 PM permalink
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Get 'em, teacher!! You go, girl!!!


*I can't tell if you're male or female, so I apologize if I made a mistake, teacher!
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October 21st, 2013 at 2:30:38 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Baccarat is a closed-end shoe game. Once the cards are placed into the shoe, they are all pre-set to be dealt mechanically, according to the drawing rules, by the dealer.

Trends become apparent, to the trained eye, from the dealings of these cards and the results thereof.

I've no doubt in my mind of the validity of that affirmation: trends exist at this game.


Rigorous computational analysis has demonstrated this to be false. The type of trends in past results that you are observing do not yield any predictive value at all in predicting player or banker wins in baccarat. Even perfect card counting is virtually useless, except at the very end of a shoe, and only exceedingly rarely (paraphrasing Dr. Thorp: "the fluctuations are not large enough nor frequent enough to be the basis of a practical winning strategy.") See Chapter 3:
http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/thorp/tog.htm
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October 21st, 2013 at 4:44:58 PM permalink
Gr8,

I have to agree with ME in this case. What you described to me in the response to my question is a perfect example of gambler's fallacy. I am fairly certain that the following is not possible but hear me out. I think that you alter bet selection and size according to perceived trends when comparing against your personal stats, so I assume that these are the points in which you believe you have an advantage in the shoe. Have you ever put this to a test to see if your perceived advantages are in fact advantageous from a statistical perspective?

I believe that if you can not pin point the times when you have a mathematical advantage it is just guessing.
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October 21st, 2013 at 4:51:07 PM permalink
Quote: SlackJawYokel

I believe that if you can not pin point the times when you have a mathematical advantage it is just guessing.


Yep, gr8player is the best Professional Guesser in the world!
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October 21st, 2013 at 5:11:36 PM permalink
I thought we were going to do some kind if experiment where mission deals from a shoe at home and gr8 guess I mean bets according to his methods?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 21st, 2013 at 5:15:35 PM permalink
I'm sure someone can get a live Cam going with a bac shoe, where gr8 can instant message his bets as he is watching live. Perhaps Ahigh can help with this one. I have a feeling someone would be willing to book the action. Or make a side bet. I can't imagine how gr8 can disregard this. His identity could remain anonymous and we would not be able to detect his methods.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 21st, 2013 at 6:30:05 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I thought we were going to do some kind if experiment where mission deals from a shoe at home and gr8 guess I mean bets according to his methods?


Yeah, what ever happened with that? All gr8player does is talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk...

...yet he NEVER actually says anything.

We really need to get this experiment going.
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October 21st, 2013 at 8:21:34 PM permalink
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October 21st, 2013 at 8:34:57 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Is there any wonder of the "feud", Soxster?

Just read his posts....the man is, obviously, a "troubled person", with "issues"....
....almost makes one feel sorry for him....until you remember him calling a forum member IN HIS HOME TO THREATEN HIM.

Garbage, absolute garbage....



The john-O is the biggest attention seeker to ever post on a gambling forum. But, he is one entertaining cat, I must say. And Odin knows I like stuff you can depend on, and you cats have been feuding for 7, 8 years now and still goin strong. Ya gotta like it, hey hey.
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October 21st, 2013 at 9:29:18 PM permalink
Quote: Tanko

Does anyone know whether the degree of shoe penetration in Baccarat has any effect on the House Edge?


Technically speaking, it does, but even with perfect knowledge of the cards & complete penetration, it's not gonna be of much help to someone betting banker/player.
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October 21st, 2013 at 10:10:39 PM permalink
Quote: Tanko

Does anyone know whether the degree of shoe penetration in Baccarat has any effect on the House Edge?

Some casinos have a 70% penetration. Others have a higher penetration.

The Interblock machines randomly vary penetration between 12% an 70%.


The Thorp book I cited in my prior post in this thread has all that information.
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October 21st, 2013 at 10:55:14 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Hello again, rob45.

You appear intent on relegating my Baccarat plays, approaches, and theories as totally unworthy of consideration. You've even gone so far as to label them as "gibberish".

Let's make no mistake of it, rob45, I happen to find that offensive.

I've spent a great deal of time and effort into the adoption and facilitation of my Baccarat approaches and plays, and so it's difficult to see you render it all as baseless; and all accomplished through your use of semantics.

What you deem as "guessing", I term as "bet selection process". Vital to my play.

What you deem as "guessing", I term as "patience and discipline". My "no-bet" option is, again, vital to my play.

What you deem as "guessing", I term as "recoup mode". And yes, my risks are, in fact, "both known and understood" and, even further, measured. Oh, and vital to my play.

What you deem as "guessing", I term as "wagering". But pre-calculated and variance-measured wagering. Vital to my play.

Your desire to label all of that as "guessing" is, IMHO, unwarranted. Why? Because you've no interest in my Bac theories and/or approaches and/or plays, and, hence, choose not to comprehend them as anything more than, well, "gibberish". It is all too easy, when breaking down each defined word literally, to use semantics as the tool in your vain attempt to dismantle the very foundation of my Bac play.

Finally, rob45, it's "gibberish" only to those that wish not to understand any of it. Beauty, my friend, is in the eye of the beholder. Those that do understand my Baccarat theories/approaches/plays are the ones that glean the most from my posts and the most from my efforts here in this (and other) forum(s).

IF one were to choose to play this game, and IF one were serious about giving themselves the very best chance at true, long term success, one could do alot worse than perusing my posts/threads and gleaning the information contained therein, and then implementing a plan to incorporate it all into an approach or plan that is comfortable for them.

But I fear that is not what you want to hear, rob45. You've an agenda to serve here, and that is to "break my play down into YOUR words", with "YOUR meanings". For, to you, anything else is just "gibberish".



Baccarat can be the Game of Chance that utilizes an "Educated Guess" many times. This is the Asian way of playing. Do not Mock the "Educated Guess"
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October 22nd, 2013 at 1:02:32 AM permalink
Quote: BaccaratPartner

Baccarat can be the Game of Chance that utilizes an "Educated Guess" many times. This is the Asian way of playing. Do not Mock the "Educated Guess"


My Master is back!

Master, I am confused. In your very dramatic thread on partner betting, you discredit Asians.
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I'm Italian, and correct me if i'm wrong, this game is an Italian game, you need to be Italian to understand it 100%

The Asians are the prey in getting hooked on it and filling our pockets from our invention.

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October 22nd, 2013 at 1:22:30 AM permalink
Gr8, I'm the killer of the wolly mammoth. You just sit back there on your hind hunches.
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October 22nd, 2013 at 1:22:36 AM permalink
Gr8, I'm the killer of the wooly mammoth. You just sit back there on your hind hunches.
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October 22nd, 2013 at 7:26:39 AM permalink
Quote: rob45

My Master is back!

Master, I am confused. In your very dramatic thread on partner betting, you discredit Asians.



No discredit, just giving them a wake up call that's all. They think that their sideways betting makes them millions of dollars at the tables when the reality of it all is that the only way they can beat the game is to cheat by placing cameras in their cuff link and recording the shoes as they slide the cut card back and forth taking Millions from Casinos all over the world.

The reality of it all is "I am the Real deal" along with many others such as Gr8Player in sharing his style of play.

No cheating needed to beat this game.
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October 22nd, 2013 at 7:29:13 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Yeah, what ever happened with that? All gr8player does is talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk...

...yet he NEVER actually says anything.

We really need to get this experiment going.



Beethoven9th, stay quiet and listen to your teacher and Listen, Listen, Listen!!!!
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October 22nd, 2013 at 7:35:02 AM permalink
Quote: BaccaratPartner

No discredit, just giving them a wake up call that's all. They think that their sideways betting makes them millions of dollars at the tables when the reality of it all is that the only way they can beat the game is to cheat by placing cameras in their cuff link and recording the shoes as they slide the cut card back and forth taking Millions from Casinos all over the world.

The reality of it all is "I am the Real deal" along with many others such as Gr8Player in sharing his style of play.

No cheating needed to beat this game.

Master, now I am REALLY confused!
You state "the only way they can beat the game is to cheat", and then you also state "No cheating needed to beat this game."

??????????
Beethoven9th
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October 22nd, 2013 at 9:12:52 AM permalink
Quote: BaccaratPartner

...the only way they can beat the game is to cheat by placing cameras in their cuff link and recording the shoes...

How the hell does that help you "beat the game"???


Quote: BaccaratPartner

The reality of it all is "I am the Real deal" along with many others such as Gr8Player in sharing his style of play.

gr8player has shared NOTHING.
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October 22nd, 2013 at 12:02:25 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm sure someone can get a live Cam going with a bac shoe, where gr8 can instant message his bets as he is watching live. Perhaps Ahigh can help with this one. I have a feeling someone would be willing to book the action. Or make a side bet. I can't imagine how gr8 can disregard this. His identity could remain anonymous and we would not be able to detect his methods.




I've already agreed to playing through a shoe, and I believe Mission was interested, at one time, in setting something up between us to make it happen.

But it would be a difficult undertaking because of my computer schedule, or, should I say, lack thereof. You see, I hold a very responsible management position, one that demands my attention at a moment's notice, so my playing through a shoe or two would have to be done over a prolonged period of time. Not the ideal setup, to be sure, but there appears no alternative.
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October 22nd, 2013 at 12:14:39 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

You see, I hold a very responsible management position

You must be a very wealthy man, teacher! Your management position must pay you VERY well, since you can afford to lose $250,000!


Quote: gr8player

...so my playing through a shoe or two would have to be done over a prolonged period of time. Not the ideal setup, to be sure, but there appears no alternative.

My esteemed teacher, how can this be? You spend all weekend, every weekend winning millions of dollars playing baccarat, yet you cannot find the time to play ONE shoe with Mission??? Please don't tease us, teacher! We want to see the world's foremost expert in everything baccarat in action!!
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October 22nd, 2013 at 12:16:27 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

I've already agreed to playing through a shoe, and I believe Mission was interested, at one time, in setting something up between us to make it happen.

But it would be a difficult undertaking because of my computer schedule, or, should I say, lack thereof. You see, I hold a very responsible management position, one that demands my attention at a moment's notice, so my playing through a shoe or two would have to be done over a prolonged period of time. Not the ideal setup, to be sure, but there appears no alternative.



With all the money to be made at baccarat why do you guys need jobs? C'mon, man. Give up those day jobs and play bac full time. No excuses, put it to the real test. If I had a betting system like that that guarantee's me a win there is no way in hell I would be a brown bagger.
"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
Beethoven9th
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October 22nd, 2013 at 12:23:45 PM permalink
Check out this paragraph:

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But guess what? The paragraph above has just as much substance as any of gr8player's 341 posts.
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October 22nd, 2013 at 12:29:28 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Check out this paragraph:

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.


But guess what? The paragraph above has just as much substance as any of gr8player's 341 posts.




Actually gr8player may have suffered from substance abuse.
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October 22nd, 2013 at 12:34:50 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Quote: Beethoven9th

Check out this paragraph:

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.


But guess what? The paragraph above has just as much substance as any of gr8player's 341 posts.

Actually gr8player may have suffered from substance abuse.


LOL!
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October 22nd, 2013 at 12:55:27 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

With all the money to be made at baccarat why do you guys need jobs? C'mon, man. Give up those day jobs and play bac full time. No excuses, put it to the real test. If I had a betting system like that that guarantee's me a win there is no way in hell I would be a brown bagger.



I am not a "brown bagger", mickeycrimm.

And my "system" (despise that word) guarantees me nothing.

I am, however, guaranteed certain responsibilities, every week, every month, every year. I support a family. (And I'm pretty sure they're mine...LOL)

Their needs come first. The heck with Baccarat. Baccarat is, comparatively, a hobby of mine. I play it because I find it a daunting challenge, and I happen to be rather adept at the game.

And, honestly, mine is a relatively stressful job, and so those Thursday night and Friday afternoon respites serve me rather well. Sorta like "mini-vacations". Why? Because, if one is to approach this game as seriously as I do, the game takes your ultimate attention, to every detail. And so I enjoy trying to stay one step ahead of the curve, avoiding the fate that 99% of their other patrons fall victim to.
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October 22nd, 2013 at 12:57:38 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Actually gr8player may have suffered from substance abuse.



We don't agree on much, Buzzard, but, I must admit, that was funny.....
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October 22nd, 2013 at 1:00:42 PM permalink
Hope you think this is funny too.
a 'HOBBY" is something you do for fun. ( not to WIN money ) Brown bag wrapped around a bottle is one thing, huffing glue in a brown bag
is something else !
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Beethoven9th
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October 22nd, 2013 at 1:04:47 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Quote: mickeycrimm

With all the money to be made at baccarat why do you guys need jobs? C'mon, man. Give up those day jobs and play bac full time. No excuses, put it to the real test. If I had a betting system like that that guarantee's me a win there is no way in hell I would be a brown bagger.

I am not a "brown bagger", mickeycrimm.

And my "system" (despise that word) guarantees me nothing.

I am, however, guaranteed certain responsibilities, every week, every month, every year. I support a family. (And I'm pretty sure they're mine...LOL)

Their needs come first. The heck with Baccarat. Baccarat is, comparatively, a hobby of mine. I play it because I find it a daunting challenge, and I happen to be rather adept at the game.

And, honestly, mine is a relatively stressful job, and so those Thursday night and Friday afternoon respites serve me rather well. Sorta like "mini-vacations". Why? Because, if one is to approach this game as seriously as I do, the game takes your ultimate attention, to every detail. And so I enjoy trying to stay one step ahead of the curve, avoiding the fate that 99% of their other patrons fall victim to.


TRANSLATION: He doesn't have the stones to quit his job!!!
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October 22nd, 2013 at 1:18:06 PM permalink
I play bac, fulltime, five days per week, 48 weeks per year, and the income I derive from bac is my only form of active income. But, in a year's worth of fulltime play I only buck up against about 36000 decisions. A mathite once told me the "long run" is about ten million decisons, so I just need to play bac fulltime for about 300 more years before the "long run" catches up to me, hey hey.
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October 22nd, 2013 at 1:25:55 PM permalink
key word " active " Passive income supports bac hobby ?
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October 22nd, 2013 at 1:27:22 PM permalink
Hello, Soxster.

So you're playing roughly 2 shoes per day. Very smart. Your "desired results", generally speaking, will fall within the scope of those two shoes. Even though I cannot play every day, I, too, seek a resolution within two shoes, generally. Well played, my friend.
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October 22nd, 2013 at 1:29:16 PM permalink
Ok, Buzz, OK, you had your one humorous line. Now you're pushin' to rival the Beethoven9th monotony/insanity...
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October 22nd, 2013 at 1:30:51 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

TRANSLATION: He doesn't have the stones to quit his job!!!



You, my friend, are an idiot.

And you're disruptive to any real conversation....how you, and those that are similar to you in this forum, are allowed your "free reigns" to post whatever you please is totally beyond any rationale....
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October 22nd, 2013 at 1:36:52 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Hello, Soxster.

So you're playing roughly 2 shoes per day. Very smart. Your "desired results", generally speaking, will fall within the scope of those two shoes. Even though I cannot play every day, I, too, seek a resolution within two shoes, generally. Well played, my friend.



Actually, I play six shoes per session, so 30 shoes per week. I only make real money bets on about 35% of hand dealt. So, I only buck up against a paltry 36000 decisoions and average just under ten untis gross profits, per shoe, and that works for me, hey hey.
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