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September 18th, 2026 at 9:29:33 AM permalink
I was out with two OSU fans last night. One thinks they'll play like wild dogs and expects at least two touchdowns. The other one thinks the team bought into its own hype and doesn't belong in the Top Eight.
OSU made Manning and Texas look bad for three quarters but then they themselves looked horrible in the final stretch.
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September 18th, 2026 at 1:13:28 PM permalink
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I found a tout on the web who offers some free picks
I don't wanna do the hard work to find good picks anymore
of course I won't pay for picks or recommend that anyone else does that
this tout got very positive reviews
their claim is that they win about 55% of picks ats (including free picks) which seems a reasonable, not a bragging type of claim

yet it is meaningless by itself

what am I talking about? 55% and all you picked were favorites, a player would lose money. So my point is, 55% and all nice paying underdogs? I'd pay for that! Normal against the spread bets? not paying... but I'm not going to check it out either

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here are some of their free picks for week 3:


Texas Tech -7.5 over Houston

Clemson -3.5 over UNC

Kent State +52.5 over Ohio State

New Mexico + 22.5 over Oklahoma

Iowa State -23.5 over Bowling Green

North Texas + 3 over Texas State

Ole Miss + 3 over LSU

Sacramento +27.5 over N. Dakota State

those are all probably -110 or so . Not checking it out, but thanks for sharing

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September 19th, 2026 at 4:47:18 AM permalink
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story about how DraftKings uses AI to target gamblers most likely to lose
unfortunately the story is behind a paywall
maybe some at Wov subscribe to NYT and can see the whole story
a short sentence from the link:

“It is as predatory as it sounds,” said a former DraftKings analyst who, like many interviewed for this article, requested anonymity because he feared retribution. “If you lose more, we give you more, so you keep playing more.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/19/business/draftkings-ai.html

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September 19th, 2026 at 5:01:01 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

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story about how DraftKings uses AI to target gamblers most likely to lose
unfortunately the story is behind a paywall
maybe some at Wov subscribe to NYT and can see the whole story
a short sentence from the link:

“It is as predatory as it sounds,” said a former DraftKings analyst who, like many interviewed for this article, requested anonymity because he feared retribution. “If you lose more, we give you more, so you keep playing more.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/19/business/draftkings-ai.html

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My wife spends WAY too much on shoes. Is it ‘predatory’ for Jimmy Choo to send her a small gift after her $1000+ shoe purchase?
Is it predatory when my (way overpriced) steakhouse sends me a $25 gift certificate which will essentially just pay for my first drink?

DraftKings provides a product. They identify their best customers. By definition, just like Jimmy Choo and my steakhouse, the best customers are the ones they will make the most money from. So DraftKings will reward its best customers with a gift of some kind. (I have a free DK shirt, and socks too).

By the way, thanks again lilRed. I used another profit boost last night on the Oregon/over. 84-0!
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September 19th, 2026 at 5:22:25 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

By the way, thanks again lilRed. I used another profit boost last night on the Oregon/over. 84-0!


I believe your thank you should go to DRich - not me - I made no comment about that game

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Oregon -57.5 this week. I am not betting it.



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My wife spends WAY too much on shoes. Is it ‘predatory’ for Jimmy Choo to send her a small gift after her $1000+ shoe purchase?
Is it predatory when my (way overpriced) steakhouse sends me a $25 gift certificate which will essentially just pay for my first drink?


I don't believe your analogy is an especially good one
I believe the risk of addiction is much greater from gambling then from buying shoes or eating at a steakhouse
the NYT generally does not post frivolous stories and I don't believe this one is frivolous either

this is a gambling forum
there is an obvious bias here to think that gambling is a fun thing or a potentially profitable thing
that's not the whole story by any means

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September 19th, 2026 at 7:03:15 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

Quote: SOOPOO

By the way, thanks again lilRed. I used another profit boost last night on the Oregon/over. 84-0!


I believe your thank you should go to DRich - not me - I made no comment about that game

Quote: DRich

Oregon -57.5 this week. I am not betting it.



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My wife spends WAY too much on shoes. Is it ‘predatory’ for Jimmy Choo to send her a small gift after her $1000+ shoe purchase?
Is it predatory when my (way overpriced) steakhouse sends me a $25 gift certificate which will essentially just pay for my first drink?


I don't believe your analogy is an especially good one
I believe the risk of addiction is much greater from gambling then from buying shoes or eating at a steakhouse
the NYT generally does not post frivolous stories and I don't believe this one is frivolous either

this is a gambling forum
there is an obvious bias here to think that gambling is a fun thing or a potentially profitable thing
that's not the whole story by any means

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You are of course correct. But so am I. I don’t think there is anything wrong with rewarding your best customers. It’s done by every (smart) business. It’s not up to ANY business to make sure you are not overspending your budget. You don’t think Nike doesn’t target inner city kids who haven’t a (legal) penny to their name to buy $300 sneakers? How about GOVERNMENT lottery ads? I can go on and on….
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September 19th, 2026 at 9:41:42 AM permalink
California is favored by 58.5 today. I keep saying this but I think this is the biggest spread that I remember seeing. The Total is 65.5.
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billryan
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September 19th, 2026 at 9:52:03 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: lilredrooster

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story about how DraftKings uses AI to target gamblers most likely to lose
unfortunately the story is behind a paywall
maybe some at Wov subscribe to NYT and can see the whole story
a short sentence from the link:

“It is as predatory as it sounds,” said a former DraftKings analyst who, like many interviewed for this article, requested anonymity because he feared retribution. “If you lose more, we give you more, so you keep playing more.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/19/business/draftkings-ai.html

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My wife spends WAY too much on shoes. Is it ‘predatory’ for Jimmy Choo to send her a small gift after her $1000+ shoe purchase?
Is it predatory when my (way overpriced) steakhouse sends me a $25 gift certificate which will essentially just pay for my first drink?

DraftKings provides a product. They identify their best customers. By definition, just like Jimmy Choo and my steakhouse, the best customers are the ones they will make the most money from. So DraftKings will reward its best customers with a gift of some kind. (I have a free DK shirt, and socks too).

By the way, thanks again lilRed. I used another profit boost last night on the Oregon/over. 84-0!
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Are they sending offers based on a person's bet levels, which seems normal, or are they only targeting people who lose a lot? It's certainly not illegal, and any ethical discussion should include the entire industry.
Casinos are not your friends. They want your money every bit as much as you want theirs. They just have more ways to win.
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September 19th, 2026 at 9:55:09 AM permalink
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Are they sending offers based on a person's bet levels, which seems normal, or are they only targeting people who lose a lot? It's certainly not illegal, and any ethical discussion should include the entire industry.
Casinos are not your friends. They want your money every bit as much as you want theirs. They just have more ways to win.
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I only have HardRock for an option in Florida. Sadly, I lost a lot last year and they still aren't sending me offers.
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September 19th, 2026 at 10:50:37 AM permalink
All gambling outfits deserve scrutiny for their practices, lives are at stake

I guy I was in business with once told me about this in general, went something like this:

Take notice of how much you are paying and how you are treated ... or when you're not sure if you are getting a good price, how you are treated. If you get surly service, that can be hard to take, but it means you paid for 'just the basics'. It it is something you need, that usually is good. If they are falling all over themselves with kindness and courtesy while delivering the product, now it's time to worry. This is telling you they love having your business, and likely you are paying top dollar. Do you need to shop around?

My point is, this phenomenon of treating your best customers well is not restricted to the business of gambling. Reporting on that though is irresistible. And I did say that business deserves the scrutiny.
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September 19th, 2026 at 10:53:42 AM permalink
Another thing to remember is that the politicians spreading all this new gambling don't get the scrutiny. These various gambling outfits though, they better keep their noses clean or good ol' NYT will have their ass
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!”   She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
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September 19th, 2026 at 10:59:20 AM permalink
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I only have HardRock for an option in Florida. Sadly, I lost a lot last year and they still aren't sending me offers.
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You don't miss a chance to mention that .

I keep commenting on it too. Ha.

My new theory is that you were betting big bucks and experts determined that your 'theo' was easily +EV even though you lost money.
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September 19th, 2026 at 11:01:21 AM permalink
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California is favored by 58.5 today. I keep saying this but I think this is the biggest spread that I remember seeing. The Total is 65.5.
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and they noticed this +EV gambling pattern!!!
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September 19th, 2026 at 11:21:06 AM permalink
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I only have HardRock for an option in Florida. Sadly, I lost a lot last year and they still aren't sending me offers.
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You don't miss a chance to mention that .

I keep commenting on it too. Ha.

My new theory is that you were betting big bucks and experts determined that your 'theo' was easily +EV even though you lost money.
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Yes, I keep mentioning it because I am jealous that others are getting good offers that I am not.

I probably make bigger bets than most people and I would like to believe that I make +EV bets, but I am doubting myself these last two years.
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September 19th, 2026 at 11:41:47 AM permalink
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California is favored by 58.5 today. I keep saying this but I think this is the biggest spread that I remember seeing. The Total is 65.5.
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Cal is playing Wagner.

Cal has over 46,000 students and Wagner around 1,900. Over 400 High Schools have more students than Wagner.
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September 19th, 2026 at 11:42:00 AM permalink
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Are they sending offers based on a person's bet levels, which seems normal, or are they only targeting people who lose a lot? It's certainly not illegal, and any ethical discussion should include the entire industry.
Casinos are not your friends. They want your money every bit as much as you want theirs. They just have more ways to win.
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I only have HardRock for an option in Florida. Sadly, I lost a lot last year and they still aren't sending me offers.
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Rule of Acquisition 445- Eliminate the competition, and you can eliminate your customer service.
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