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kewlj
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July 26th, 2020 at 7:23:21 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

And kewlj... there are more cases amongst the 'young' (anyone younger than me!), but the death rate for those under 40 is miniscule. Not zero, I know,


I am not arguing that healthy younger people are not at less risk than others. I would not use the word "miniscule". Let's see how "miniscule" you think it is when your grand daughter or grandson or young person in your family is part of that "miniscule" number that you so easily dismiss. AND I am not wishing that on you or anyone.

Bigger point is we are all in this together. You conveniently ignored the part where younger, so called healthy people get sick, and pass it on to others....their parents, grandparents, professors at college, college support staff.

Since schools and colleges were shutdown almost immediately. There is no data showing what occurs if they hadn't been. Chances are pretty good we would be looking at fatalities, 2, 3 maybe more times higher, NOT from that younger group, but from those that they spread it to. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE SPREAD and minimizing the spread and that can only happen if everyone works at it. Every person that says "I am younger and not as at risk" or "it is my right to not wear a mask" is putting everyone else, PUTTING ME at risk.


Quote: SOOPOO

I know many of the long term effects. If you get one of the really bad near fatal cases that require you to be on a ventilator for weeks you are likely to have some level of pulmonary damage. There are a few with extreme weakness that seems to take extremely long to recover, and some have not even fully recovered after months. Very rare cardiac muscle dysfunction. You use the word 'many'. In a country of 300+ million, if there are 30 people who experience one of these severe complications, I don't think that really rises to 'many'. I think the really bad COVID-19 complications that linger are really 'few' when you look at the denominator.



You are talking shit about longterm effects that you know nothing about. That doctors and scientists and so called experts are only now beginning to see and understand. I am talking tip of iceberg stuff.

I had this virus. My case was moderate. No ventilator. No hospitalization. I WAS moderately sick for just about a whole month and had moderate lingering symptoms for weeks after and I am still not back to normal. I haven't wanted to mention my current condition because I get tired of the crap that people say (not here) but I still have fatigue issues. And I am not talking about not getting enough sleep and feeling a little tired. I am talking about sitting down in my recliner and being unable to stay awake in the middle of the day, sometimes just hours after I woke up. And I am still sleeping many more hours than I "normally" do.

I tried to dismiss and power through these lingering symptoms. I took a trip to California to surf (not internet) with my brother in late May. My surfing days were short and required a nap everyday as I quickly became exhausted. I am sure I was a hell of a lot of fun to be with. :( On June 4th, I went back to the casinos when they re-opened, I played a bit for about 10 days and scrapped it, citing concerns about people NOT doing what needed to be done to protect us all. What I kept to myself is that I couldn't physically handle it. I just didn't and still don't have the energy.

I go out everyday to try to get some exercise and I do deep breathing exercises along the way because my lung capacity is NOT what it used to be pre- me getting this virus. I will not take the elevator in my building down in the morning, because living on a higher floor others will get on along the way. And walking down 7 flights of steps just about wipes me out and I am just getting started each day. :( Coming home I will take the elevator, but I wait until I am alone or with only my brother as chances are we won't be adding new elevator riders after it leaves the lobby.

I am in my mid 30's, SOOPOO and yes I have had 2 heart surgeries, so you can throw me into the previous conditions group that are expendable. But I am not expendable. I want many more years and I can't do that without the help of others. No one is expendable...we are all in this together!

And finally, as for the cost of shutting down....yes that is a great toll. If it was forever, and it may be, then yes choices might have to be made. But right now, the smartest people in the world think we are not far away from a vaccine. We (the United States) can afford financially, to shutdown, and protect it's citizens for the short term. We are greatest and the richest country in the world. We can shutdown for a months or a year to whatever level is necessary to protect everyone and can afford to financially support everyone while doing that.

There may come a time when such a shutdown would be longer than we can afford and choices maybe have to be made then, but for now, we can shutdown what needs to be shutdown for the maximum number of citizens to survive. And again, my idea of shutting down, isn't everyone has to stay home locked up. You just have to eliminate activities that increase spread for the short term, SPORTS, schools, college, concerts, casinos, restaurant dining in, bars. Is that too much to ask for another 6 months to a year to save the maximum number of people. I think we would already be there if it wasn't an election year.
redietz
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July 26th, 2020 at 8:25:56 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I know many of the long term effects. If you get one of the really bad near fatal cases that require you to be on a ventilator for weeks you are likely to have some level of pulmonary damage. There are a few with extreme weakness that seems to take extremely long to recover, and some have not even fully recovered after months. Very rare cardiac muscle dysfunction. You use the word 'many'. In a country of 300+ million, if there are 30 people who experience one of these severe complications, I don't think that really rises to 'many'. I think the really bad COVID-19 complications that linger are really 'few' when you look at the denominator.

And kewlj... there are more cases amongst the 'young' (anyone younger than me!), but the death rate for those under 40 is miniscule. Not zero, I know, but Terapined... if you are calling me naive you could not be more wrong. I am concerned about COVID-19 deaths, and infections... but it is not the most important thing in our society. The long term devastation of our economy and small businesses is important to our society. And even your 'heroes' like Cuomo realize that. The opening up here has definitely increased the likelihood of more cases. But you can only deprive people of their businesses for so long.



Actually, SOOPOO, you're missing the point. Five months in, there is no long term data. How can you claim to know long term effects when there is no long term data?

Unless you're claiming to be psychic, you have no real idea of the long term effects of something that is likely to have a 70% population penetration when it's said and done.

You have no idea if there are long term brain effects, which there appear to be. You have no idea of the long term effects on pregnant women. You have no idea if having the virus once results in a worse or better result if or when you get it again.

No long term data equals not knowing long term effects.
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kewlj
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July 26th, 2020 at 8:55:34 PM permalink
While I haven't been back on this forum that long, I am well aware of the rules regarding politics and political statements, so I am going to try to tap dance a bit and hope I can stay on the good side of the line.

Shutting down economies as much as possible, as most of the world did back in March, was never about beating this virus. It was about slowing the spread and flattening the curve, so hospitals weren't overrun resulting in additional people dying that just couldn't get any care because there was no room. It was in a sense a long-term strategy to "buy time". Nothing more.

Advantage player's understand long-term thinking and strategies. Our president would make a horrible AP because he is incapable of looking long-term. He views everything through short term, quick fix lenses. That is precisely why the United States results are atrocious compared to almost every other country.

Nobody was going to blame this administration for this situation. So just imagine, if this administration had completely listened to the medical and science experts COMPLETELY from day 1 and shutdown for as long as need be to protect as many of it's citizens as possible. Yeah, the economic cost would still be tremendous, but even that the President could have used to his advantage. He could have said something like "we can afford to do this BECAUSE I built the greatest economy, which allows me to protect our citizens and when it is all over in a year, I can and will build the economy back". His numbers would be reversed right now.

But like I said, he is not an AP and doesn't think longterm. So it is what it is.
FleaStiff
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July 27th, 2020 at 1:00:25 AM permalink
I think its ALL a research program until we get enough possibilities, then we have to eliminate the expenses of treating victins, close the borders, re-open as a tough as nails nation actively eliminating re-infection.
kewlj
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July 27th, 2020 at 8:10:45 AM permalink
Miami Marlins cancel today's game after 8 players and 2 coaches tested positive last night bring to 14 the number of players and coaches that are currently positive. Now they will test phillies who Marlins just played and other teams they played recently.

Sports just isn't going to work right now....as much as we all miss sports.
billryan
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July 27th, 2020 at 8:42:18 AM permalink
As of two weeks ago, there were dozens of NYPD officers with either lung scarring or blood clots who are or are going on long term disability. For anyone to say this might be affecting thirty people nationwide is beyond naive.
kewlj
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July 27th, 2020 at 8:59:50 AM permalink
I thought baseball had the best chance of any sport because the is already some element of distance. Players aren't right on top of each other.

But baseball is also the only sport not to do the bubble thing, isolating players. So it is only a matter of time before some player takes it home to his family. Then players will balk.
redietz
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July 27th, 2020 at 9:06:32 AM permalink
Just not going to work. If baseball blows up like this early, other sports have no chance of pulling this off.

Here's a Phillies aside for you, kewlJ. A friend of mine in a band inquired on getting cutouts placed behind home plate. It was cheap, but the Phillies said his cutout needed to wear a shirt. LOL. So that was the end of that (he's shirtless in the band most of the time). Almost all photos of the band have him shirtless. That was a little restrictive of the Phillies -- it's not like everybody wears a shirt at games.
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billryan
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July 27th, 2020 at 10:19:33 AM permalink
Quote: redietz

Just not going to work. If baseball blows up like this early, other sports have no chance of pulling this off.

Here's a Phillies aside for you, kewlJ. A friend of mine in a band inquired on getting cutouts placed behind home plate. It was cheap, but the Phillies said his cutout needed to wear a shirt. LOL. So that was the end of that (he's shirtless in the band most of the time). Almost all photos of the band have him shirtless. That was a little restrictive of the Phillies -- it's not like everybody wears a shirt at games.



Unless things have changed, going shirtless at Yankee Stadium is a no-no. They make exceptions for small groups posing for a camera, but taking off your shirt is going to get you ejected.
redietz
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July 27th, 2020 at 10:37:04 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Unless things have changed, going shirtless at Yankee Stadium is a no-no. They make exceptions for small groups posing for a camera, but taking off your shirt is going to get you ejected.



Really? Wow. At the old Vet, people took their shirts off inside all the time. Of course, that was 20 years ago, so my knowledge is dated. When did the Yankees start banning shirtlessness?
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