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lilredrooster
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July 26th, 2020 at 10:34:07 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I guess in the new NFL a defensive "genius" will be a defensive coach whose team only gives up 30 points per game on average. :



not disputing the point you're making but still, great defenses find a way

last year:

Pats gave up only 14.1 ppg

Bill 16.2

Ravens 17.6

those teams didn't go all the way last year but they did well
Chiefs were just too dominant offensively and no team could match up with them because of Mahomes - 320 lb lineman trying to chase him wasn't going to make it


https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense
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terapined
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July 26th, 2020 at 10:39:35 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

Thereís an NHL team named The Kraken now. So how do you like dem apples?


I like it
I think its a lot better then say the Washington Nationals or The Washington Football Team
What is a national?
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redietz
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July 26th, 2020 at 11:09:26 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

Thereís an NHL team named The Kraken now. So how do you like dem apples?




Can't hear this without thinking of a college professor acquaintance who told some very inappropriate stories to female undergrads, including how when he drops his pants he likes to say "Time to release the Kraken!"

He was fired.
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July 26th, 2020 at 12:45:22 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

the NCAA is going to HAVE to cancel college sports. I mean their concern is SUPPOSED to be for students first.



Trying to win award for most naive post on this thread?

if the NCAA was concerned about student health 'first', there would be NO college football!!!! There are literally THOUSANDS of serious injuries every year associated with the actual games, and thousands more from practice. Torn ligaments, broken bones, dislocations, paralyzing injuries, serious concussions, death from heat stroke, etc... The risk to a college football athlete from COVID-19 is a minute fraction of the 'regular' injuries that will occur in a college football season! Also remember, by not participating in college football, these athletes will still be at risk from contracting COVID-19 just like the rest of the population; their risk does not drop to zero.

Not included in my discussion has been the higher risk participants, like coaches, bus drivers, medical personnel, etc... But to worry about students who play college football.... COVID-19 would be so far down the list it wouldn't make my list. There have been hundreds of reports of this team having 12 test positive, this one with 16... but I have not seen ONE report of a college athlete getting very sick. I think if there was one it would be big news.
kewlj
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July 26th, 2020 at 1:02:03 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Trying to win award for most naive post on this thread?



I don't get it. Now 2 posters, AZD, and you, SOOPOO have responded to this line in my post and seeming ignored the fact that I not only said "supposed" but capitalized it for emphasis. Hypocrisy was the point.

But in my mind there is a big difference in the examples you gave of broken bones, ligaments, even the possibility of more serious injuries that are part of the risk of athletic competition and knowingly subjecting so called "college kids" to increased risk of this very unknown virus.

There are people that say, those of us that are scared or concerned about this virus, should just stay home locked in our homes. Well no, I am not going to surrender my life and stay home locked up, but I am not going to intentionally put myself at risk either, by let's say, hanging out in overcrowded bars and nightclubs with people smoking, eating, sneezing, coughing drooling all over me either. That is INVITING additional risk, as I believe sports are right now. For the NCAA to ignore heightened risk for "students" who play sports, goes 100% against their own mission statement of protecting "student athletes".
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July 26th, 2020 at 1:14:46 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I don't get it. Now 2 posters, AZD, and you, SOOPOO have responded to this line in my post and seeming ignored the fact that I not only said "supposed" but capitalized it for emphasis. Hypocrisy was the point.

But in my mind there is a big difference in the examples you gave of broken bones, ligaments, even the possibility of more serious injuries that are part of the risk of athletic competition and knowingly subjecting so called "college kids" to increased risk of this very unknown virus.

There are people that say, those of us that are scared or concerned about this virus, should just stay home locked in our homes. Well no, I am not going to surrender my life and stay home locked up, but I am not going to intentionally put myself at risk either, by let's say, hanging out in overcrowded bars and nightclubs with people smoking, eating, sneezing, coughing drooling all over me either. That is INVITING additional risk, as I believe sports are right now. For the NCAA to ignore heightened risk for "students" who play sports, goes 100% against their own mission statement of protecting "student athletes".



You miss my point. The 'heightened risk' for these athletes by playing sports is miniscule. These colleges have been practicing for a while. LOTS of positive tests. I'm waiting for ONE report of a college football player seriously ill because of COVID-19. And then try and figure out if they got it because of exposure in a college weight room or just in their normal lives of banging as many girls as they can.

And frankly, the phrase, 'very unknown virus' is also naive. There is so much data on this virus i want to vomit every time I read a 'new' fact. We know it's structure. We know how unlikely it is for a young person to get seriously ill from it. We know how it is transmitted. We know where it comes from. We know what organ system it generally attacks the few that get seriously ill from it. We know that wearing a mask decreases its community spread. We know that Remdesivir decreases severity and death rate. We know that steroids (dexamethasone) also helps. We know that prone ventilation in the sickest helps. We know that there is extremely rare clotting issues with the sickest patients. We know if you are very old (80+) you have a significant chance (certainly greater than 10%) chance of dying if you get it. We know that there are a half dozen or so companies 'close' to a vaccine. We know that if you are poor you are far more likely to get it than if you are wealthy (probably due to job type). We know HTN and DM make you more likely to die if you get it. I'm getting tired....
kewlj
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July 26th, 2020 at 1:45:04 PM permalink
I too am getting tired of arguing with people that insist this virus is basically the flu and to go on about life.

The numbers you are giving here are outdated by months in a period when numbers and knowledge change on a daily basis. Back in April, the average age of those dying and getting severely sick was in the late 70's or some cases 80. It no longer is. Today younger people are getting sick and dying, including younger people with no real health issues. Ignoring that is dangerous.

And let's talk about college "kids". 20-somethings are now getting sick and dying, which was non-existent a few months ago. And even if they are fortunate enough to only get a mild case and be over it in a week, they can then infect, their parents, grandparents, family members, older professors at college and support staff at college. I mean you want to talk about screwing up a college "kid", how is he or she going to feel when they contract the virus, survive a mild case and take it home to their mother or grandfather who dies?

And for what? in the name of money (college athletics). Look there are some activities, bars, restaurants, casinos, concerts, SPORTS, that we should not be engaging in until we have a vaccine. To just pretend everything is normal and go about our lives is foolish.
terapined
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July 26th, 2020 at 2:38:20 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO



And frankly, the phrase, 'very unknown virus' is also naive. There is so much data on this virus i want to vomit every time I read a 'new' fact.


Talk about naive.
We dont know the long term effects and many are experiencing long term effects.
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redietz
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July 26th, 2020 at 3:36:22 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Talk about naive.
We dont know the long term effects and many are experiencing long term effects.



Exactly.

No long term data. Can't pin down long term effects. Impossible.

In addition, we don't even know to what the degree someone who has had it can get it again.
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July 26th, 2020 at 5:17:23 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Talk about naive.
We dont know the long term effects and many are experiencing long term effects.



I know many of the long term effects. If you get one of the really bad near fatal cases that require you to be on a ventilator for weeks you are likely to have some level of pulmonary damage. There are a few with extreme weakness that seems to take extremely long to recover, and some have not even fully recovered after months. Very rare cardiac muscle dysfunction. You use the word 'many'. In a country of 300+ million, if there are 30 people who experience one of these severe complications, I don't think that really rises to 'many'. I think the really bad COVID-19 complications that linger are really 'few' when you look at the denominator.

And kewlj... there are more cases amongst the 'young' (anyone younger than me!), but the death rate for those under 40 is miniscule. Not zero, I know, but Terapined... if you are calling me naive you could not be more wrong. I am concerned about COVID-19 deaths, and infections... but it is not the most important thing in our society. The long term devastation of our economy and small businesses is important to our society. And even your 'heroes' like Cuomo realize that. The opening up here has definitely increased the likelihood of more cases. But you can only deprive people of their businesses for so long.

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