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MrV
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April 1st, 2013 at 4:25:03 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

It's disgusting. And it's revolting to me that that term is allowed to describe those who believe in advantage play craps.



I am not saying that dice setters are jerk offs.

I AM saying that the "us against the world" mentality of dice setters (or DIs) is akin to a "circle jerk," or "Jonestown" or even "That Old Time Religion."

I take umbrage with the idea, not necessarily with those who espouse it.
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Ahigh
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April 1st, 2013 at 4:25:59 PM permalink
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10139 and counting.



MEEEEEEE, its about MEEEEEEEE....



Don't worry, you're the winner, Bob. You are super.
EvenBob
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April 1st, 2013 at 4:58:43 PM permalink
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Don't worry, you're the winner, Bob. You are super.



This is true, but I didn't know there was a contest. Let me
know next time.
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24Bingo
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April 2nd, 2013 at 11:22:47 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I dare anyone to do a google image search on circle jerk without filtering the results.

It's disgusting. And it's revolting to me that that term is allowed to describe those who believe in advantage play craps.



It's a very common metaphor for something seen as both intellectually masturbatory and yet intellectually deindividuated. I don't think anyone else would take it personally, and it's not really to be taken literally.
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EvenBob
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April 3rd, 2013 at 12:07:34 AM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

It's a very common metaphor for something seen as both intellectually masturbatory and yet intellectually deindividuated. I don't think anyone else would take it personally, and it's not really to be taken literally.



I've heard the term for at least 40 years. It might
have started in the military. Its a metaphor for
a group of people wasting their
time. A circle jerk accomplishes nothing, its an
excercise in futility. When you say it, people
immediately know what you mean. Except Ahigh,
who was apparently raised on an Amish farm.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Dicenor33
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September 12th, 2013 at 5:48:30 AM permalink
To insure dice randomness these are the requirements :
1) dice must hit the opposite wall at a sharp angle , no " banging" or anything which slows the dice is allowed .
2)dice should not fly higher than the eye level of a sitting boxman .
3) dice should roll back , meaning enough force has been used .
4)both dice must hit the back wall
5) setting the dice is illegal .
"House can ban anyone from playing who does not follow these rules .
dicesitter
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September 12th, 2013 at 7:03:04 AM permalink
The answer is yes..... and no



I have been asked not to play in several casino's for setting the dice and throwing
them in a consistant way. They dont say you as an individual would be banned, you
just cant set the dice, or you can set the dice but you have to hit the back wall
harder, and harder and harder...etc. If you just pick up the dice and throw them, you
can play.

They can just make it not any fun at all to play.

In the end it is their casino, so all you can do is be nice and leave. I try to do that,
except one time, the Trop in Laughlin, that guy there is a jerk, and the guy above
him is a jerk.

Dicesetter
MrV
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September 12th, 2013 at 7:13:46 AM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

They can just make it not any fun at all to play.



That is your opinion.

Just playing the game, even if in accordance with the casino's rules, is fun for me.

But then I don't really put much faith at all in DI, as I feel we are all rng's.

For me, the fun is trying to beat the odds, to have a bit of luck.

That's enough.

But sure, I would just LOVE to influence the dice.

I'd also love to fly like superman, and I'd really love to be immortal.

We can all wish.
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superrick
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September 12th, 2013 at 8:53:17 AM permalink
Any casino can ban you for any reason they feel like here in NV, Iíve been banned from two casinos. Also, threatened to be banned by a few of them. Most casinos will just take the dice off you and not let you shoot, you can still play craps if they have a problem with your shooting. Here in Las Vegas itís not uncommon to see a casino ban someone that is a DI and is winning too often, one of by buddies was banned not to long ago for just being what I called stupid, he wouldnít listen and was on a winning streak, we told him to stay out of that casino, that they would ban him, but greed got in his way!

I learned the hard way about being banned, if you are hitting one casino to often and winning that will happen. There are somewhere around 300 tables here in Vegas, so you need to move your play around. Casinos are not your ATMís, some players do go on long winning streaks. Donít be stupid about your play, move on to the next casino!

Iíve see a stupid casino even ban a donít player that never picked up the dice, and one lucky slot player that was just getting lucky to often!

One of our great fiction writers on becoming a DI, is always writing that DIís in Canada get no heat, up there, which I found out to be a lie, when I was playing there, in Fallsvew Casino. A craps player came into their high roller room, the Salon Privé all the dealers were asking him were he had been and he told them he was banned from playing there, but they had gotten rid of the suit that banned him and now he could come back in a play.

All the dealers and other players loved this guy, because of the way he tipped them. Most of the time it all comes down to one stupid suit that is sweating the money, that is one of the reasons anybody is banned at playing craps. When they leave the player returns if they have not been read a trespassing act here in Las Vegas.

Now the funny part of when I was banned at one of the casinos,.. was the suit was going to read me the trespassing act, but couldnít because I took care of their elevators and worked there everyday. I would play after work and he didnít realize I was their elevator mechanic. The head engineer for the casino was called and he put a stop to the trespassing act.
When they ended up firing the suit, I could play craps back in there again. I had a long talk with the table games manager about how this suit was treating all of their players if they were just getting lucky and winning, but they would not back down on be being banned, until he was fired!

On the craps board that I help out on,.. I recommend that everybody reads ďWhale Hunt In the Desert By Deke CastlemanĒ itís a free board that we have book reviews on about the game of craps and anything to do with running casinos.

http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/about930.html

I will have them open up the book review forum for one week so you can read any of the reviews there. Normally you would have to be a member to read the reviews. There are some threads that you can read in the preview of the board, that are always open but you can not post to them, if you are not a member!

...
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...! You do good brada ..! superrick Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php ...
rudeboy99
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September 23rd, 2013 at 12:59:44 PM permalink
This has been an eye opener of a thread for me as a working dice dealer. While I've been aware of the DC phenomenon for years, ( I believe Mr. Scoblete held some Golden Touch seminars here in Reno in times past), I have yet to witness a consistent ability to effect the outcome regularly...maybe I haven't run into the elite so far, I don't know. I DO know that if I tell a shooter to get a bounce off the felt and off the back wall and those instructions are ignored, those shooting privileges will be lifted and he'll no longer be able to shoot. He'll be more than welcome to continue playing though. My real beef with setters, savvy or clueless both, is the way they SLOOOWWWW the pace of the game down...I like a fast tempo, and I think most experienced, non-DC players feel the same way.

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