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7craps
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March 31st, 2013 at 11:08:53 PM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

At 147, just seven short of the record, he wouldn't have been able to keep it secret, because the house would have put it out. On what planet would they not try to capitalize on a table that "hot"?

SN Ethier Doctrine of Chances book (2010 pgs 522-523)

"The longest recorded hand in craps history is 154 rolls, having occurred
to Patricia DeMauro on May 23, 2009, at the Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa in
Atlantic City, over the course of four hours and 18 minutes. The probability
that a random hand lasts at least this long is, from (15.23),
t(154) ≈ 0.178882426 · 10−9, (15.52)
which amounts to one chance in 5.59 billion, approximately.

The record was previously held by Stanley Fujitake [1923–2000] (118 rolls,
May 28, 1989, California Hotel and Casino, Las Vegas). One might ask how
reliable these numbers (154 and 118) are. In Mr. Fujitake’s case, casino personnel
replayed the surveillance videotape to confirm the number of rolls and
the duration of time (three hours and six minutes). See Akane (2008).

There is also a report (Scoblete 2007, Part 4) that Fujitake’s record was
broken earlier by a gentleman known only as the Captain [1923–] (148 rolls,
July 2005, Atlantic City, two hours and 18 minutes), although the documentation
is sparse, and the credibility of this story has been questioned by
Grosjean (2009, p. 480).
The DeMauro incident motivated Ethier and Hoppe (2010) to find a
closed-form expression for t(n) := P(L ≥ n):"

I was in AC many times in 2007-08 (lived in Berlin, NH)
and found no Box or Dealer that even knew of a Captain and this fantastic hand.
It was very disappointing.
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
24Bingo
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March 31st, 2013 at 11:20:00 PM permalink
This was long enough ago that it was the record? A casino watched a shooter break the world record, and just let him walk out the door while the tapes slid down toward the circular file? Jesus Christ. Frank'll be trying to convince us of Nessie next.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
AlanMendelson
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March 31st, 2013 at 11:27:26 PM permalink
I was never "up" on craps records, but a couple of years ago at Caesars I was told that two young guys who never played craps before were at a table during a Saturday afternoon -- by themselves -- when the casino was close to "empty" because it was a beautiful sunny day and the pool was jamed... and one of these guys held the dice for four and a half hours. Let me repeat: four and a half hours. And the story goes that since they were young and didnt play they just had $10 on the passline each.

Now, I have no way in the world to verify that.

When I was told it happened, after the fact, all I could say was darn, had I been at the table I would have made a million dollars!

Anyway, I put it here just in case someone else might have heard the story???

The pit boss who told me about it has since retired and I don't know who the dealers were. It could have been a 100% fabrication. I don't know. Because frankly, I don't keep track of "records."

I was at one of Frank's seminars years ago when it was rumored the identity of the Captain would be revealed or even that he might show up... but alas.... no.
7craps
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March 31st, 2013 at 11:31:30 PM permalink
Quote: FrankScoblete

Or he existed but I exaggerated his craps prowess and that roll was shorter than I said it was
(I did keep an accurate record using chips

I keep very accurate dice roll data too.
I am always laughed at for it, players and some dealers, but funny how many ask me questions about their rolls.
I have the closer truth than chips and memory.
I use a 4 colored pen and small notepad.
Sometime a printout sheet and a small clipboard that fits in my fanny pack.

I do make mistakes every now and then.
We all do. If anything, my errors were not the actual number that rolled but how it rolled.
They are always the hardways. Sometimes I just did not hear or see the dice roll and no one had a hardway bet paid.

In most exciting events at a Craps table, this is from playing and dealing the game for years,
it is well known that time is not the same at a Craps table as it is away from a Craps table
and the order of the events seem to get mixed up easily.
Most stick changes seem to happen way too soon to be only 20 minutes, the minutes when winning go by very fast.

For those, like me, that track the rolls of each session on paper, 2 thumbs up
For those that do not - and that is your choice - only one thumb down.

finally
Good Luck
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
FrankScoblete
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March 31st, 2013 at 11:35:27 PM permalink
Hi 24Bingo:

You have a protection of privacy. Casinos cannot reveal to the public what a player makes or loses or did in the casino without the player's permission. When the Captain's record was broken by Pat DeMauro she had to sign disclosure papers for them to publicize her achievement (Pat is an extremely nice woman). If you read the roll of the Captain's you will see why the Captain had no worries about the casino publicizing his name or the event. I wrote about the event but did not mention the casino or how much the Captain (or I) won.

Frank
tupp
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March 31st, 2013 at 11:46:03 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Ahigh, since you asked I will endeavor to dispel your ignorance; normally I would not post such crudity, but you have insisted, so here goes.
Imagine Boy Scouts are at the Jamboree, and it is raining and oh, so boring. Imagine how someone comes up with the idea to drop trou, sit in a circle, beat off simultaneously and then annoint as "winner" he who comes first.

That's dice setting.


Funny, but that description doesn't sound at all like dice setting (the mere act of arranging dice). It doesn't even come close to resembling dice influencing (which usually involves a solitary player trying to get an edge in the game of craps).

However, that scenario almost exactly matches the masterbatory frenzy perpetrated by a particular group of members on this site, when they gang-up on an individual poster who offers facts or ideas that contradict their narrow opinion.
7craps
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April 1st, 2013 at 12:07:44 AM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

This was long enough ago that it was the record? A casino watched a shooter break the world record, and just let him walk out the door while the tapes slid down toward the circular file?

It was well known in Reno in the 1990s
that the world record was from a downtown las vegas casino by a Hawaiian man known as "The Arm".

The Harold's Club, (I have an old craps layout from there used at Casino Night parties these days)
now a parking lot I think - they closed in 1995 and sat vacant until Harrah's bought the building,
tracked the rolls of each shooter.
The man that taught me to deal dice also worked there for years
and I think the record he told me there was 106 or 107 and it happened during his shift.
I knew many in the casino business in Reno and they knew of the local record.

I wonder what the record is at the Fremont downtown Vegas
as they also track the shooters rolls too on an electronic display as many know.
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
MrV
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April 1st, 2013 at 8:22:14 AM permalink
Quote: FrankScoblete

I do get a feeling that whatever I write can be used against me. I wish we had a "Miranda Warning" --- Frank, whatever you write will be held against you...Over the years some people have discounted the existence of the Captain because I have never revealed his name or told where he had his 147-roll hand. The judgment of such individuals was that he didn't exist and the roll never happened. Or he existed but I exaggerated his craps prowess and that roll was shorter than I said it was (I did keep an accurate record using chips and he did win what to many of us would be a fortune). Here again, a thought: This is the guy who did these things but did not want to be famous for them or take credit for them but was nice enough to teach me his ideas. He is the shining light for people who criticize those of us who enjoy spreading the word under our own names. If I hadn't written about him, then he would not have existed for anyone except the group of people who knew him. So I think he should be held up as the shining example for those who think that anyone who is successful at gambling should keep their mouths shut.



Well then, if as you say "he should be held up as the shining example:" why not identify him?

If a Gambling God has walked among us, how can he be deified without his name and image being known?

You reported that he died in 2010; surely the probate of his estate is complete and his final affairs have been settled: where is there a downside in identifying him?

With identifying information, sleuths / skeptics can attempt to independently verify your claims, to perhaps dispel the speculation that you made it all up in order to have something to write about in your books.

You say he didn't want to be famous: fair enough, but the man is long dead.

You've identified his crew members, so why not identify him?

You've built The Captain of Craps up as a Gambling God, a larger than life wealthy businessman who made more than (IIRC) a ten million profit over the years from craps; you say that he came up with the 5 count, induced AC casinos to raise the buy limit on the 9, and that he held the world record of 147 rolls without sevening out.

You claim you were with him when it happened, so clearly you could tell the world where, when, and who was involved: your notes of the event appear detailed and copious.

History demands objective information: anecdotes prove nothing.
"What, me worry?"
Ahigh
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April 1st, 2013 at 9:04:48 AM permalink
Quote: tupp

Funny, but that description doesn't sound at all like dice setting (the mere act of arranging dice). It doesn't even come close to resembling dice influencing (which usually involves a solitary player trying to get an edge in the game of craps).

However, that scenario almost exactly matches the masterbatory frenzy perpetrated by a particular group of members on this site, when they gang-up on an individual poster who offers facts or ideas that contradict their narrow opinion.



Right. Then in the following post, Frank writes this:

Quote: FrankScoblete

writing on a truly great web site board such as this is a part of one of the projects.



Yeah, it's great. It's great how comments like the "Circle Jerk" comments from MrV and Sodawater don't count as name calling.

It's great how the Wizard completely ignores very nearly every single post I make.

It's great how Frank shows up and the Wizard is all of a sudden interested in dice.

It's great how Frank himself hasn't even said one positive comment about what I've done.

It's great how Frank thinks Alan and EvenBob are super duper.

Just great.

All of a sudden I just think everything is great!

Not just great but TRULY great, this website.
MakingBook
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April 1st, 2013 at 9:11:04 AM permalink
What's the difference between Ahigh and a puppy?

Eventually, the puppy will stop whining.
"I am a man devoured by the passion for gambling." --Dostoevsky, 1871

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