Can You Be Banned for Dice Control? Have Casinos Done This?

Quote: Zcore13

You really should learn the game. Short rolls are not a legal shot. They might be allowed sometimes, just like driving over the speed limit, but neither is legal. It's too bad you lose so much money on a game you you can't seem to understand. Casinos love your type.

ZCore13

Here we hone in on your definition of "legal shot." A legal shot is a shot allowed by law, is it not?

I think you are confusing the law with the house rules.

A legal shot may be against the house rules.

The fact is that you don't operate a dice table at your casino, and I don't think you are all that knowledgeable on this subject.

Additionally, the rules, laws, and so on that I am familiar with are those of Las Vegas, not of your home state. So maybe we have even more differences there as well.



Your suggestion that I should "learn the game" is extremely disingenuous on your part.

To the original question posed...

You can ABSOLUTELY be banned from ANY casino for ANY reason here in Las Vegas, including even just a SUSPICION that you have a player edge at dice.

There is NO QUESTION. Frank knew the answer when he posted the question.

Anyone who disagrees with this is simply wrong in my opinion.

Quote: Ahigh

Additionally, the rules, laws, and so on that I am familiar with are those of Las Vegas,.

It's the same in any casino anywhere, no short
rolls. What's Vegas got to do with it.

Quote: EvenBob

It's the same in any casino anywhere, no short
rolls. What's Vegas got to do with it.

He used the phrase "LEGAL SHOT."

The definition of "LEGAL SHOT" varies from state to state.

So his statement has to be interpreted independently in each state with different state laws governing the law.

When trying to determine the truth of his statement, one must realize that the statement could be true in one state and false in another state due to the differences in state laws that affect the definition of "legal shot."

His choice of the wording alone is evidence of his lack of knowledge on the subject. I don't think he differentiates between a "legal shot" and a shot that is allowed by the house's rules.

Here in Vegas, house rules vary WILDLY from one casino to the next.

Quote: Zcore13

It's too bad you lose so much money on a game you you can't seem to understand. Casinos love your type.

Your veiled personal insults are not welcome. You are not the first person who is employed by a casino who has chosen to insult me. You won't be the last.

Your decision to make false statements about the game of craps and to contradict my findings relating to the possibility of dice control merely reflect poorly on you. Your choice to make a concerted personal attack on my character, including, but not limited to, implications about my sexuality are unwelcome by me.

I advise that you stop even hinting at things for which you do not have knowledge. That includes my sexuality, my mental state, and how much the money I have lost at the game of craps is negatively affecting my life. Your choice to express your concern over my personal life, as well as your choice to imply that I might be a bi-sexual had a much larger negative impact than my financial losses from playing the game of craps. I assure you of that.

If you want to get involved in helping people who have a gambling problem, please restrict yourself to helping people who ask for your help. I am not one of those people. Even if I got to the point of attending a meeting for people who have gambling problems, I assure you that I would not be asking for your help.

If you still don't understand what I am saying, let me make it more clear: stay out of my personal business. Get your own life.

It's all back to that word 'legal' being used in two different ways :

'legal' by the rules of the game, and the house rules VS. legal as in pertaining to the law of the country or state.

We went this way before. I play boardgames -alot-. We often refer to things as being 'a illegal move', but don't mean that by taking a sheep when the robber is on hex will get me arrested and tasered by the Mounties. When Ed Hochuli talks about illegal motion in the back field, he's not about to get the NYPD to arrest David Wilson (though the Giants might be better off with that).

I can see why there is the confusion though, as the laws of the gambling 'games' are on statute books, so there are some things that are legal (or not) in sense two.

We went around this Paigowdan. I kinda of get it now.

Just a comment on "short rolls."

I think short rolls get paid at every casino when it appears that the shooter did not intentionally make a short roll. In other words if it appears the dice were thrown properly but somehow one or both ended up "short" of the back wall the roll is allowed.

This has happened to me many times at Caesars. For some reason the dice get "caught" on the felt and stop dead a few inches from the wall. Yet the dice were thrown in the air, bounced and rolled -- or sometimes just bounced and stopped dead without even a bounce.

Of course the important factor is that this happens perhaps once in a session or once in a turn and it is not the "usual."

When shooters continue to miss the back wall it is appropriate for the casino to warn them to hit the back wall.

So yes, short rolls do get paid. But these are exceptions. The "rule" is that short rolls can be "no rolled." To say that short rolls are "valid" or "legal" or "acceptable" is not correct.

All I can say to you is wow

ZCore13

Quote: Ahigh

Even if I got to the point of attending a meeting for people who have gambling problems, I assure you that I would not be asking for your help.

Do you think you have a gambling problem?

Quote: Zcore13

All I can say to you is wow

Maybe now, but not before. I prefer wow to the insults you have become accustomed to hurtling at me.

One other thing, you don't have to put Zcore13 at the end of every message. Your name is there on the left.