Does Dice Settig Work? You Bet!
Quote: nickolay411Oh! Hope you are feeling better. I missed that. Would have been interesting to see it play out. Is it me or does the forum seem a bit quieter lately?
Edit: I'm still playing. Heading to Vegas on the 18th. And then Macau later this month.
We do have a WoV thing on the 19th in Vegas . Perhaps you'd like to join us? PM Wizard if so.
I was at the Edgewater in Laughlin. It was about 5 or 6 AM. The doctor came in and proceeded to set those dice. He walked with a boatload of chips.
I stood there in AWE, wishing I had backed his play.
Now, I can't say for sure that the force was with him that morning, but I swear I heard Darth Vader say... YO Eleven!
Quote: LGTVEGASI was at the Edgewater in Laughlin. It was about 5 or 6 AM. The doctor came in and proceeded to set those dice. He walked with a boatload of chips.
I stood there in AWE, wishing I had backed his play.
Now, I can't say for sure that the force was with him that morning, but I swear I heard Darth Vader say... YO Eleven!
Dude, were you taking blotter or barrel acid?
Quote: beachbumbabsWe do have a WoV thing on the 19th in Vegas . Perhaps you'd like to join us? PM Wizard if so.
what time and where? Flying in sunday through red eye out on wednesday
Quote: troopscottwhat time and where? Flying in sunday through red eye out on wednesday
Sorry, scott. It was the 19th of May. We had 20 or so show. It was fun, but I'm sorry you missed it.
FWIW, it's generally around the 3rd week of May, for future planning.
Quote: beachbumbabsSorry, scott. It was the 19th of May. We had 20 or so show. It was fun, but I'm sorry you missed it.
FWIW, it's generally around the 3rd week of May, for future planning.
Pretty sure we are moving to vegas mid august so wont be an issue. House hunting and watching my son wrestle in vegas this week
Anyone who has played craps knows that the luck flows (or doesn't) at times. What is this "luck"? Is it just that, or is it some kind of telekinesis? Can we ever know?
Quote: MDawgThe casinos seem to think dice setting works. Never been accused of it at a regular class joint I am known at, but was accused of it once when I was winning a lot at Craps at the Four Queens in Vegas. I frankly had no idea what he was talking about at the time, but at a minimum the pit boss's crass "Stop setting the dice!" and jumping in my face disrupted my flow and I started losing, then left while still ahead.
From what I've gathered "information" wise, the Four Queens in Vegas sweats the money on the craps tables. I don't know about over at Binions(which they own so I'm told/read).
Quote: NokTangFrom what I've gathered "information" wise, the Four Queens in Vegas sweats the money on the craps tables. I don't know about over at Binions(which they own so I'm told/read).
Some of the biggest heart-flutters I've gotten is butting heads with pit crews at:
* BINIONS
* LAS VEGAS CLUB (back in the day, I think it shut down)
* FREMONT CASINO (three dollar table million dollar worries, HILARIOUS!)
They never banned me. Fiesta Rancho banned me for doing spreadsheets and telling them exactly what I was doing to exploit any dice bias they might have for buying dice that were not as precise as advertised in which faces are more likely to resolve.
I never did that routine twice, but I did determine it's a bad place for you to be to have casinos worried about you defeating their house edge with actual real-world samples.
Quote: WatchMeWinQuote: LuckyPhowQuote: FleaStiffGod doesn't play dice with the universe
As far as dice setting goes..... I can't stand when people play with the dice for minutes and set them before they shoot. I havent seen anyone have a good long roll yet when doing it.The best things in life are not free.
If certain people get suspended from this site for this reason or that, why not just treat dice setting talk the same way and put it to bed already. (sorry for the double post).
Quote: ALEXANDRA1115GG AND I WAS GONNA SAY YOU DOUBLE POSTED
Umm, hi. Please stop the all-caps. Also, warning on the vague insult here - both on insulting members, and the odd cursing.
Well, that's where I started, but now that your next 5 posts are meaningless identical flooding, I've suspended the account.
You can appeal, if you want, through the main sign-in portal.
Quote: sodawaterIf you are going to play craps anyway, dice setting is +EV.
Even if dice setting were positive EV (which is a dubious claim at best) you are annoying dealers who can and will make mistakes to cause you to lose faster.
If you're not catching dealer mistakes, you are not going to get positive EV even with good tossing skills.
Also, if you just fling the dice, and you tip nice, you'll see dealer mistakes in your favor, especially when you don't correct the bigger denom mistakes in the house's favor against another player at the table.
All's well that ends well.
Quote: nickolay411It is possible to land both or just one dice as a dead cat bounce. The bossman will no-roll it though. Unless they are not paying attention.
I assume you mean a dead cat bounce is "possible" but is certainly not a result of anyone's "skill" at tossing such a rare occurrence. I would say that when it occurs, it was a result of an interaction between the two die that, due to the physics of their motions and contact, managed to make one or both die appear to dead-cat. More like a bad toss from a "DI".
And the "bossman" should call it a "shortie" and let it ride since it is likely to be a seven as any other result.
Should a DI toss dice with an arc that allows the dice to land with no spin on the flat of their surface, they could bounce upward and perhaps land flat and stick. A dead cat, due to a die's backspin, forward speed and friction at contact with the table surface, would be highly dependent on surface friction characteristics of the specific material... all of this in addition to a mythological level of DI, MP not withstanding.
Quote: SM777No. Next thread.
Since Ahigh and others, including myself, who have considerable knowledge and experience with DI, have shared practical info on this thread, Nickolay might be interested, since he says he is making a film on gambling and goes to far away places like Macau to game.
Is there something you were trying to illuminate with your comment?
I think fleastiff said it best. Time is money. And wasting time playing with the dice is wasting money for the casino. And other people.
As annoying as the guy in the foursome taking 15 practice swings and he's a 27 handicap. But the casino is losing money by losing time.
Casino discourage it not because they believe it works, but because they know the screwing around wastes their money making time.
fleastiff:
"Seriously, casinos just want the dice to be in motion, they don't care if there is some weird setting going on as long as its done instantly. Casinos do not want the song, dance or delay of dice setters.
A decision to keep the game moving is not an endorsement of the existence of dice setting skills. Heck even dice setters admit they often roll losing results, The house just wants their house edge to apply and it doesn't apply during someone's exaggerated song and dance."
Quote: onebokSince Ahigh and others, including myself, who have considerable knowledge and experience with DI, have shared practical info on this thread, Nickolay might be interested, since he says he is making a film on gambling and goes to far away places like Macau to game.
Is there something you were trying to illuminate with your comment?
I was answering the subject of the thread, you know the question "Does dice setting work?"
That's how forums work, right?
Quote: worldhistoryguyI sooooooo agree. Watching some of the "setters" is quite amusing - especially when they 7 out with zilch bet on the dont's.
"You bet" ... <chuckle>
I played craps every day for seven years. I learned quite a bit about this game, as I expect that Wizard himself would acknowledge.
You don't see me selling my knowledge. People buy lies. The best profit margins are the monetization of lies.
Anyone expecting positive returns on the game of craps has bought into (some kind of) lie.
I never purchased information on how to beat craps in any way shape or form.
I did my own homework, and I was head and shoulders above the next person looking at objective truths about how to beat the game.
The game can certainly be beaten and people have done it.
But assuming you are going to legally beat the game, the probability is low that if you are setting dice you are doing it for any reason BESIDES trying to affect what someone is thinking about you. And if you're setting dice oblivious to what people are thinking about you (especially if you're thinking you're cool) the chances are really slim you're going to win long-term. You're buying your ego, just like people playing Game of War and Mobile Strike. 97% play for free and the three percent that pay ANYTHING are just buying their ego's while playing in public releasing dopamine as other people playing the game say things to make them feel good.
Quote: AhighThe game can certainly be beaten and people have done it.
can you please explain, elaborate on how this is done. thanks
Dice swapping does work-just don't get caught :-)
Quote: LovecompsOh for goodness sake can't we put this topic to bed already? Speaking as a former dealer, it doens't work.
I've read several of Ahigh's posts and I consider him to be an expert worth listening to.
sorry but I want to hear what he has to say
Quote: lilredroostercan you please explain, elaborate on how this is done. thanks
Roll more sevens on the comeout.
Roll less sevens on the point cycle.
Dice setting is comprised of objective and mechanistic techniques to attempt to overcome objective and mathematical realities. In theory only, one could achieve mastery over the innumerable variables involved in tossing dice against fixed randomizers. Following our fearless Wizard, do not bet money on anyone actually doing so.
Subjective techniques invoking psychokinesis or precognition have been explored by some intrepid souls. Publications are available. I have no recommendation.
Quote: pwcrabb
Subjective techniques invoking psychokinesis or precognition have been explored by some intrepid souls. Publications are available. I have no recommendation.
If you have any talent for precognition then you don't need to screw around with dice setting. All of Las Vegas is yours for the taking.
Skip NV since they don't have a Mega millions Lottery. Then you can head to the stock market.Quote: gordonm888If you have any talent for precognition then you don't need to screw around with dice setting. All of Las Vegas is yours for the taking.
Quote: LovecompsOh for goodness sake can't we put this topic to bed already? Speaking as a former dealer, it doens't work.
Dice swapping does work-just don't get caught :-)
I respect what he has to say. We all thought he was nuts for years with how much time and effort he put into this. Building contraptions, playing everyday, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l1LcMJTWco&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=albVSze7-KU&feature=relmfu
Now I don't see why in the world casinos try to run off the so-called DI's because they are just getting lucky like what they love to call random rollers.
That said. Dice influence is a crock of you know what
Obviously DI is BS. however, your statement is silly at best. Why would anyone have to play in a spot or location they didn't feel comfortable with?Quote: ChumpChangeYou also might have to be able to set the dice and throw them left-handed when you are on the left side of the stick. I'm more likely to bet on the Don't when the dice are on that side of the table.
I would accept any proof using a legal shot the casino will accept. I don't care if you are 2 feet or 100 feet from the back wall. I
Quote: Gabes22
That said. Dice influence is a crock of you know what
It's a harmless hobby. At the point someone tries selling schools/training etc. it becomes a scam.
Quote: AxelWolfObviously DI is BS. however, your statement is silly at best. Why would anyone have to play in a spot or location they didn't feel comfortable with?
I would accept any proof using a legal shot the casino will accept. I don't care if you are 2 feet or 100 feet from the back wall. I
Because the table is crowded and someone else is occupying that spot?
So someone should play 6:5 blackjack or 6/5 jacks or better instead of good pay BJ or 9/6 jacks just because all the sets are taken? Here is a new concept: Mind you... this is some very complex advanced AP sh*t right here, so just try your best to comprehend, I will go slow and break it down into 3 easy to follow steps.Quote: Gabes22Because the table is crowded and someone else is occupying that spot?
1) Try waiting for a good spot to open up.
2) Try moving to a different location.
3) Try just not playing that day.
Quote: AxelWolfSo someone should play 6:5 blackjack or 6/5 jacks or better instead of good pay BJ or 9/6 jacks just because all the sets are taken? Here is a new concept: Mind you... this is some very complex advanced AP sh*t right here, so just try your best to comprehend, I will go slow and break it down into 3 easy to follow steps.
1) Try waiting for a good spot to open up.
2) Try moving to a different location.
3) Try just not playing that day.
I didnt suggest anything of that nature. I did not suggest playing a worse game due to a crowded table. I suggested one to be called a dice influence, one has to be able to have that ability from multiple spots on the table.
I have to disagree, if you can influence the dice(AND YOU CAN'T, at least not in a positive way that will earn you money in a casino environment solely based on your dice-influencing ) as long as you can do it from at least one position the casino will allow, then you are an official dice-influencer. Depending on the amount of influence you can achieve, you should be able to get yourself in the correct position often enough to become very wealthy.Quote: Gabes22I didnt suggest anything of that nature. I did not suggest playing a worse game due to a crowded table. I suggested one to be called a dice influence, one has to be able to have that ability from multiple spots on the table.
Quote: AxelWolfObviously DI is BS. however, your statement is silly at best. Why would anyone have to play in a spot or location they didn't feel comfortable with?
I would accept any proof using a legal shot the casino will accept. I don't care if you are 2 feet or 100 feet from the back wall. I
I usually get the last spot that is open at the table, or I wait an hour for a spot to open. So it's rarely my choice that a spot on stick right opens. I usually have to wait for the table to empty out a bit before I can migrate to a preferred spot at the table. I can attempt to set the dice, but whether I get what I wanna roll is another matter. Sometimes I just set the dice to avoid the 7 and wind up throwing lots of numbers I don't need all the time while others make a killing. I set a flying V, I'm flirting with a 7. I set a hard 10, I might last a bit longer but it may not help me get to my point of 6 or 8. It's some kind of opposite world of dice influencing. I should lay the 6 or 8 for $24+$1 on the come-out and the following 2 rolls with my luck instead of betting Hop 7's for the 7-winners and Point 7-outs.
If one has the ability to influence dice they sound probably travel to an area and play at times where there are very few other player's. I guess that's why all the skilled DI's are not all that successful. All their brain power went to their fingers and arms and they can't figure out the simple things.Quote: ChumpChangeI usually get the last spot that is open at the table, or I wait an hour for a spot to open. So it's rarely my choice that a spot on stick right opens. I usually have to wait for the table to empty out a bit before I can migrate to a preferred spot at the table. I can attempt to set the dice, but whether I get what I wanna roll is another matter. Sometimes I just set the dice to avoid the 7 and wind up throwing lots of numbers I don't need all the time while others make a killing. I set a flying V, I'm flirting with a 7. I set a hard 10, I might last a bit longer but it may not help me get to my point of 6 or 8. It's some kind of opposite world of dice influencing. I should lay the 6 or 8 for $24+$1 on the come-out and the following 2 rolls with my luck instead of betting Hop 7's for the 7-winners and Point 7-outs.
Quote: AxelWolfthis is some very complex advanced AP sh*t right here, so just try your best to comprehend, I will go slow and break it down into 3 easy to follow steps.
1) Try waiting for a good spot to open up.
2) Try moving to a different location.
3) Try just not playing that day.
These are some pretty extraordinary claims. You would need to provide the math behind each of these three steps for anyone to believe this is possible
You will have to wait for my book.Quote: TomGThese are some pretty extraordinary claims. You would need to provide the math behind each of these three steps for anyone to believe this is possible
I did like your post, however, you don't hear much about DI anymore. That's probably because the numbers finally caught up to the guys that were running good. The only people that will end up lifetime winners from DI are the ones who quit while they are ahead.Quote: RadgedI don’t believe in dice setting myself. But I think a nonzero number of DI’s are lifetime due to positive variance alone...
