LGTVEGAS
LGTVEGAS
  • Threads: 6
  • Posts: 10
Joined: Oct 6, 2013
January 24th, 2018 at 11:41:38 AM permalink
Big Foot, Chupacabra, and the Boogeyman do exist,as does Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and The tooth Ferry.
I've seen them all behind a dozen or so cocktails at Ellis Island.
That having been said, Even the Wizard said there's something to it. Let the Force be With you Luke Skywalker.

There is some unseen mythicalogical power of collective suggestion that dictates the electromagnetic pulsation of the universe, and it can make those dice come up on your number. Believe it.

So if you truly believe, it will happen.

Write it down, and a journal if you will and have a plan, and repeat over and over,
The Dice Are Mine!
The Dice Are Mine!

7 out.
This town is a lonely town Not the only town like-a this town This town is a make-you town Or a break-you-town and bring-you-down town This town is a quiet town Or a riot town like this town This town is a love-you town And a shove-you-down and push-you-'round town
odiousgambit
odiousgambit
  • Threads: 326
  • Posts: 9557
Joined: Nov 9, 2009
January 24th, 2018 at 5:15:23 PM permalink
Quote: LGTVEGAS



7 out.

and over and out
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!”   She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
  • Threads: 1491
  • Posts: 26435
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
January 24th, 2018 at 7:04:47 PM permalink
Quote: LGTVEGAS

Even the Wizard said there's something to it.



When did I say that?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
Ibeatyouraces
Ibeatyouraces
  • Threads: 68
  • Posts: 11933
Joined: Jan 12, 2010
January 24th, 2018 at 7:16:41 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

When did I say that?


Maybe hey meant this guy:

DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
gamerfreak
gamerfreak
  • Threads: 57
  • Posts: 3540
Joined: Dec 28, 2014
January 24th, 2018 at 7:40:30 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

When did I say that?


I think what you wrote in expectations for the dice setter suggests there is something to it. Not sure if that’s exactly what you meant, but that was also my takeaway.

This part:

“Personally, I'm still skeptical. I don't rule out the possibility, but I'm not convinced. Most casinos happily allow it. If I ran a casino, I would allow it too, because I think the number of people who can influence the dice (if any) is far outweighed by the number who think they can, but can't. Still some people I respect do believe in it, mainly Stanford Wong, who trained under Golden Touch Craps.”

I guess it’s also important to keep in mind that the context is an article describing the math for dice setting under the assumption that there is “something to it”.
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
  • Threads: 1491
  • Posts: 26435
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
Thanked by
MichaelBluejay
January 24th, 2018 at 8:27:09 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I think what you wrote in expectations for the dice setter suggests there is something to it. Not sure if that’s exactly what you meant, but that was also my takeaway.

This part:

“Personally, I'm still skeptical. I don't rule out the possibility, but I'm not convinced. Most casinos happily allow it. If I ran a casino, I would allow it too, because I think the number of people who can influence the dice (if any) is far outweighed by the number who think they can, but can't. Still some people I respect do believe in it, mainly Stanford Wong, who trained under Golden Touch Craps.”

I guess it’s also important to keep in mind that the context is an article describing the math for dice setting under the assumption that there is “something to it”.



None of that means I said there was "something to it." I only made that page about dice setting odds because Wong's book caused quite a stir but nobody had really answered the question of how dice setting works, if indeed it does. Since I can't disprove dice setting doesn't work, I'm not going to totally rule it out. However, after at least ten years of this topic being debated, I've yet to see any convincing evidence there is anything to it other than a way of selling books and lessons about it.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
Mission146
Mission146
  • Threads: 142
  • Posts: 16832
Joined: May 15, 2012
Thanked by
standbymyman
January 24th, 2018 at 8:35:42 PM permalink
Dice setting seems to have a lot in common with the concept of, “God,” doesn’t it?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
MaxPen
MaxPen
  • Threads: 13
  • Posts: 3634
Joined: Feb 4, 2015
January 24th, 2018 at 8:38:05 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: gamerfreak

I think what you wrote in expectations for the dice setter suggests there is something to it. Not sure if that’s exactly what you meant, but that was also my takeaway.

This part:

“Personally, I'm still skeptical. I don't rule out the possibility, but I'm not convinced. Most casinos happily allow it. If I ran a casino, I would allow it too, because I think the number of people who can influence the dice (if any) is far outweighed by the number who think they can, but can't. Still some people I respect do believe in it, mainly Stanford Wong, who trained under Golden Touch Craps.”

I guess it’s also important to keep in mind that the context is an article describing the math for dice setting under the assumption that there is “something to it”.



None of that means I said there was "something to it." I only made that page about dice setting odds because Wong's book caused quite a stir but nobody had really answered the question of how dice setting works, if indeed it does. Since I can't disprove dice setting doesn't work, I'm not going to totally rule it out. However, after at least ten years of this topic being debated, I've yet to see any convincing evidence there is anything to it other than a way of selling books and lessons about it.



I heard it works if you're at the table on a unicycle. 🙃
New Challenge in the works. 3 V set on a unicycle.
Keyser
Keyser
  • Threads: 35
  • Posts: 2106
Joined: Apr 16, 2010
January 24th, 2018 at 8:46:01 PM permalink
Well there you have it. The Wizard says that dice control may be real and has not ruled it out as a possibility.




















Or might not be real.
NokTang
NokTang
  • Threads: 56
  • Posts: 1314
Joined: Aug 15, 2011
Thanked by
Mission146RS
January 24th, 2018 at 9:38:39 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Dice setting seems to have a lot in common with the concept of, “God,” doesn’t it?



No it doesn't IMHO. If you really really need "God", he's there for you. If you really really need an eight to come up on the die it's only there five out of thirty six times over the long run. Many have asked "God" to give them an eight or four etc., but they are just praying for it. Not really asking "God". The difference between prayer and asking "God" could be explained here but I'll leave that up to the individual and of course, "God" himself.

ps: Selling of a "course" in dice setting might get confused with people asking for money using "God", but please don't let that confuse the real issue. Thanks and God Bless You.
Mission146
Mission146
  • Threads: 142
  • Posts: 16832
Joined: May 15, 2012
January 24th, 2018 at 10:02:45 PM permalink
Quote: NokTang

No it doesn't IMHO. If you really really need "God", he's there for you. If you really really need an eight to come up on the die it's only there five out of thirty six times over the long run. Many have asked "God" to give them an eight or four etc., but they are just praying for it. Not really asking "God". The difference between prayer and asking "God" could be explained here but I'll leave that up to the individual and of course, "God" himself.

ps: Selling of a "course" in dice setting might get confused with people asking for money using "God", but please don't let that confuse the real issue. Thanks and God Bless You.



If the O/U on there being a, "God," out there is 5/36, I'm going to load up on the under. Of course, it's either (at least) one, or zero, so I guess the line would be set at 0.5 either way.

In all seriousness, thanks for the kind words, and if there is a God, may he/she bless you as well.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
onenickelmiracle
onenickelmiracle
  • Threads: 212
  • Posts: 8277
Joined: Jan 26, 2012
Thanked by
BigJer
January 24th, 2018 at 11:36:20 PM permalink
God doesn't play dice.
I am a robot.
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22272
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
Thanked by
TumblingBones
January 25th, 2018 at 12:14:49 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

God doesn't play dice.

But he loves BINGO.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
FleaStiff
FleaStiff
  • Threads: 265
  • Posts: 14484
Joined: Oct 19, 2009
Thanked by
WizardofDice
January 25th, 2018 at 1:01:12 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

God doesn't play dice.

God doesn't play dice with the universe but he seems to play with my passline bet.

Seriously, casinos just want the dice to be in motion, they don't care if there is some weird setting going on as long as its done instantly. Casinos do not want the song, dance or delay of dice setters.

A decision to keep the game moving is not an endorsement of the existence of dice setting skills. Heck even dice setters admit they often roll losing results, The house just wants their house edge to apply and it doesn't apply during someone's exaggerated song and dance.
LuckyPhow
LuckyPhow
  • Threads: 55
  • Posts: 698
Joined: May 19, 2016
Thanked by
WizardofDice
January 26th, 2018 at 11:55:45 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

God doesn't play dice with the universe



Flea,

Didn't you get the memo? Einstein's assertion that God doesn't play dice with the universe has been proven wrong, Wrong, WRONG by more recent discoveries in quantum mechanics and theoretical physics.

Einstein could not accept that "entangled" particles separated from one another by reasonable distances could create a "non-local relationship" where changes to one particle could instantly affect the other. CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, demonstrated particle entanglement over distances as great as 50 kilometers.

I think the OP may be more correct than not. Everything connects to everything in a web of shared conscious energy. Max Planck, a founder of quantum mechanics, said, "Consciousness is fundamental. Matter is derivative of consciousness. You cannot get behind consciousness."

Some can leverage this "conscious energy" productively at the craps table. My advice to the OP: If you can harness the "mythicalogical power of collective suggestion that dictates the electromagnetic pulsation of the universe," then you should enjoy your wins when playing craps. Who cares if others insist it is only "positive variation"?
WatchMeWin
WatchMeWin
  • Threads: 105
  • Posts: 1636
Joined: May 20, 2011
Thanked by
WizardofDice
January 26th, 2018 at 1:01:36 PM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

Quote: FleaStiff

God doesn't play dice with the universe



Flea,

Didn't you get the memo? Einstein's assertion that God doesn't play dice with the universe has been proven wrong, Wrong, WRONG by more recent discoveries in quantum mechanics and theoretical physics.

Einstein could not accept that "entangled" particles separated from one another by reasonable distances could create a "non-local relationship" where changes to one particle could instantly affect the other. CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, demonstrated particle entanglement over distances as great as 50 kilometers.

I think the OP may be more correct than not. Everything connects to everything in a web of shared conscious energy. Max Planck, a founder of quantum mechanics, said, "Consciousness is fundamental. Matter is derivative of consciousness. You cannot get behind consciousness."

Some can leverage this "conscious energy" productively at the craps table. My advice to the OP: If you can harness the "mythicalogical power of collective suggestion that dictates the electromagnetic pulsation of the universe," then you should enjoy your wins when playing craps. Who cares if others insist it is only "positive variation"?



There is something to it.... Cant see it, hear it, feel it , taste it, or smell it, but energy is real! Just last night I was on the craps table and was up as usual. I hung around, which is not common for me but I had some friends to meet up with. I was up 600 after several rounds of in and outs. I then went to another table and just played around with 100 for shuts and giggles. I watch so much negativity and pissed off people jump in the middle of rolls and immediately 7 out. I then got the dice and started shooting with no care in the world. I only had 10 bucks on all the numbers. I rolled about 8 numbers quickly and fluently.... and then in the middle of the roll some short angry bull came running to the table and threw 3000 bucks down. He started yelling 300 on every number... come on , come on , lets go. Yelling at the dealers. The dice were held up for 5 minutes as they counted the money. I told him he made a big mistake and that I wouldnt work the bets if I were him. He was ready to cuss me out , but everyone else on the table agreed with me and know my game. I called my bets off. Most people on the table called their bets off. The short angry bull insisted to make his bets work. Well, needless to say, the next roll was a 7 out. I hated to see him lose it... but then again, i warned him. Im not going to preach energy again.... but it is real fellows. You are either in tune with it, or you're not.

As far as dice setting goes..... I can't stand when people play with the dice for minutes and set them before they shoot. I havent seen anyone have a good long roll yet when doing it.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
lilredrooster
lilredrooster
  • Threads: 232
  • Posts: 6505
Joined: May 8, 2015
January 26th, 2018 at 2:36:15 PM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

"entangled" particles separated from one another
SOME CAN LEVERAGE THE "CONSCIOUS ENERGY" PRODUCTIVELY AT THE CRAPS TABLE




the theory of entanglement has absolutely nothing to do with winning at craps.

it's very sad they you give gamblers false information which could easily contribute to their becoming problem gamblers if they were to heed your words

this is the year 2018. The U.S. has sent a rocket to within 8,000 miles of Pluto which is a few billion miles away

if what you say is true do you really think that it could not easily be proven by a mathematician or a physicist?

if you had advised gamblers how to have fun at a house game I would have no problem with that

but your words are way out of bounds
Please don't feed the trolls
LuckyPhow
LuckyPhow
  • Threads: 55
  • Posts: 698
Joined: May 19, 2016
January 27th, 2018 at 7:57:40 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

There is something to it.... Cant see it, hear it, feel it , taste it, or smell it, but energy is real! ... You are either in tune with it, or you're not.



Nicely stated. I admit mathematicians cannot prove comments such as ours about energy are either true or false. That is because energy cannot be "proven," but rather only "embraced" when it presents itself.

I noticed this after the 2008 economic recession. Too many (relatively) poor gamblers were playing craps, and their table talk made it abundantly clear they were desperate to win some money (for things like rent or food, etc.) The table energy variance (or whatever) was favorable until some clod joins the game. After the point is set, he might place relatively big bets on the 4 and 10 (or something equally speculative). Even though shooters were doing well to avoid the undesirable seven prior to his arrival, he would fling invectives at the shooter. "Can't you roll a damn 4, Shooter? Fer crying out loud, hit the 4 or the 10, dammit!" That kind of player sure can pollute the table energy in one helluva hurry. It happened so often to me, that I basically stopped playing craps for almost 2 years.

Like many gamblers, I embrace the mantra that one should not play with scared money because it so often loses. My perspective is that those gamblers bring the bad energy by trying to force results they favor. The "negative variance" those gamblers experience too often skews negatively more than a good statistician would predict, hence the mantra. And, plenty of craps players (dare I say "most"?) have seen situations where scared money loses, especially where the gambler is overly agitated, emotional, and hostile. IMHO, the negative variance that so often results is triggered by the energy brought to the table by the desperate gambler.

Of course, YMMV. Say it has nothing to do with energy if you choose, or not.
Dalex64
Dalex64
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 1067
Joined: Feb 10, 2013
January 27th, 2018 at 8:07:54 AM permalink
Of course you can (which is to say should be able to) prove it.

All you need to do is start recording die rolls from the point that you declare the "energy" to be "good" until the time you declare the "energy" to be "bad" and compare the results to statistical expectation.

A caveat: you do not get to include any rolls before the "energy" was declared "good" or after the "energy" was declared "bad" in the measurements, and must use all of the rolls between the declarations in the results.
MrV
MrV
  • Threads: 364
  • Posts: 8158
Joined: Feb 13, 2010
January 27th, 2018 at 8:23:51 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

I think the OP may be more correct than not. Everything connects to everything in a web of shared conscious energy. Max Planck, a founder of quantum mechanics, said, "Consciousness is fundamental. Matter is derivative of consciousness. You cannot get behind consciousness." Some can leverage this "conscious energy" productively at the craps table. My advice to the OP: If you can harness the "mythicalogical power of collective suggestion that dictates the electromagnetic pulsation of the universe," then you should enjoy your wins when playing craps. ?



Ah yes, mind-dice control.

I think Scoblete has a new book coming out on the subject.

Quote: WatchMeWin

There is something to it.... Cant see it, hear it, feel it , taste it, or smell it, but energy is real! Just last night I was on the craps table and was up as usual.



No brag, just fact.


Time to break out the hip boots, the effluent is getting deep.
"What, me worry?"
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22272
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
Thanked by
RisingDough
January 28th, 2018 at 12:29:15 AM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

Nicely stated. I admit mathematicians cannot prove comments such as ours about energy are either true or false. That is because energy cannot be "proven," but rather only "embraced" when it presents itself.

I noticed this after the 2008 economic recession. Too many (relatively) poor gamblers were playing craps, and their table talk made it abundantly clear they were desperate to win some money (for things like rent or food, etc.) The table energy variance (or whatever) was favorable until some clod joins the game. After the point is set, he might place relatively big bets on the 4 and 10 (or something equally speculative). Even though shooters were doing well to avoid the undesirable seven prior to his arrival, he would fling invectives at the shooter. "Can't you roll a damn 4, Shooter? Fer crying out loud, hit the 4 or the 10, dammit!" That kind of player sure can pollute the table energy in one helluva hurry. It happened so often to me, that I basically stopped playing craps for almost 2 years.

Like many gamblers, I embrace the mantra that one should not play with scared money because it so often loses. My perspective is that those gamblers bring the bad energy by trying to force results they favor. The "negative variance" those gamblers experience too often skews negatively more than a good statistician would predict, hence the mantra. And, plenty of craps players (dare I say "most"?) have seen situations where scared money loses, especially where the gambler is overly agitated, emotional, and hostile. IMHO, the negative variance that so often results is triggered by the energy brought to the table by the desperate gambler.

Of course, YMMV. Say it has nothing to do with energy if you choose, or not.

Why not use this information to your advantage?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
odiousgambit
odiousgambit
  • Threads: 326
  • Posts: 9557
Joined: Nov 9, 2009
January 28th, 2018 at 3:01:18 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Why not use this information to your advantage?

Because of the Devilish nature of this energy. So you see some dude with scared money about to roll, say, and you think "wow I'm going Darkside". Ha, now you have brought some positive energy into the equation, which of course cancels out the negative energy. The dice go random or even [remember the devilish part] decide to pick you off instead of Scared Dude. If you listen closely, even over the noise you can hear diabolical laughter.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!”   She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
LuckyPhow
LuckyPhow
  • Threads: 55
  • Posts: 698
Joined: May 19, 2016
January 28th, 2018 at 11:40:34 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Why not use this information to your advantage?



I try to. Nuff said.
Ibeatyouraces
Ibeatyouraces
  • Threads: 68
  • Posts: 11933
Joined: Jan 12, 2010
January 28th, 2018 at 11:45:49 AM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

I try to. Nuff said.



DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
LuckyPhow
LuckyPhow
  • Threads: 55
  • Posts: 698
Joined: May 19, 2016
January 28th, 2018 at 11:55:04 AM permalink
In my view, anything people want to do well is worth doing poorly until they can do it well.
WatchMeWin
WatchMeWin
  • Threads: 105
  • Posts: 1636
Joined: May 20, 2011
January 28th, 2018 at 12:42:38 PM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

In my view, anything people want to do well is worth doing poorly until they can do it well.



Where are you located LP?
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22272
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
January 29th, 2018 at 2:11:59 AM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

I try to.

How's that working out for you?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
LuckyPhow
LuckyPhow
  • Threads: 55
  • Posts: 698
Joined: May 19, 2016
January 29th, 2018 at 6:58:39 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

How's that working out for you?


I only played craps one time during my last trip to Biloxi. Started with an empty table. Finished with about 4 other players also in the game. When I cashed in (small win, but I had to leave for another commitment), one of the players told the crew not to let me cash out because I was winning everyone money.

I understand those who have not experienced the "energy-thing" for themselves confidently assert that "there's no 'there' there." I can only encourage WoV members to understand other members (such as myself) assert that there is something there for members such as myself -- a tangible (experienced, but not controlled) awareness of "something" that we call "energy" (for want of a better descriptor) during those times we perceive it happening.

On a grand scale, events like the long-ago O.J. Simpson murder trial -- where almost everyone in southern California was listening to the announcement of the jury verdict -- apparently caused nearby isotope-based random number generators to go out of random (something impossible normally) because everyone's attention (and energy) was focused on that the jury verdict. Focused energy can have tangible effects. Same thing happened immediately after the death of Princess Diana, only on a more global scale with numerous random number generators going out of random. On a less global scale, when energy "harmonizes" at a craps table, players win (even if the players themselves do not "feel" anything special about the table energy). My2 cents. YMMV.
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22272
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
Thanked by
RS
January 31st, 2018 at 3:12:27 PM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

I only played craps one time during my last trip to Biloxi. Started with an empty table. Finished with about 4 other players also in the game. When I cashed in (small win, but I had to leave for another commitment), one of the players told the crew not to let me cash out because I was winning everyone money.

I understand those who have not experienced the "energy-thing" for themselves confidently assert that "there's no 'there' there." I can only encourage WoV members to understand other members (such as myself) assert that there is something there for members such as myself -- a tangible (experienced, but not controlled) awareness of "something" that we call "energy" (for want of a better descriptor) during those times we perceive it happening.

On a grand scale, events like the long-ago O.J. Simpson murder trial -- where almost everyone in southern California was listening to the announcement of the jury verdict -- apparently caused nearby isotope-based random number generators to go out of random (something impossible normally) because everyone's attention (and energy) was focused on that the jury verdict. Focused energy can have tangible effects. Same thing happened immediately after the death of Princess Diana, only on a more global scale with numerous random number generators going out of random. On a less global scale, when energy "harmonizes" at a craps table, players win (even if the players themselves do not "feel" anything special about the table energy). My2 cents. YMMV.

I have no idea what to say to all that.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Hunterhill
Hunterhill
  • Threads: 53
  • Posts: 2145
Joined: Aug 1, 2011
Thanked by
RogerKintMonacoutcraps
January 31st, 2018 at 4:08:47 PM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

I only played craps one time during my last trip to Biloxi. Started with an empty table. Finished with about 4 other players also in the game. When I cashed in (small win, but I had to leave for another commitment), one of the players told the crew not to let me cash out because I was winning everyone money.

I understand those who have not experienced the "energy-thing" for themselves confidently assert that "there's no 'there' there." I can only encourage WoV members to understand other members (such as myself) assert that there is something there for members such as myself -- a tangible (experienced, but not controlled) awareness of "something" that we call "energy" (for want of a better descriptor) during those times we perceive it happening.

On a grand scale, events like the long-ago O.J. Simpson murder trial -- where almost everyone in southern California was listening to the announcement of the jury verdict -- apparently caused nearby isotope-based random number generators to go out of random (something impossible normally) because everyone's attention (and energy) was focused on that the jury verdict. Focused energy can have tangible effects. Same thing happened immediately after the death of Princess Diana, only on a more global scale with numerous random number generators going out of random. On a less global scale, when energy "harmonizes" at a craps table, players win (even if the players themselves do not "feel" anything special about the table energy). My2 cents. YMMV.


So the next time something is capatavating everyone's attention,like Trump getting impeached for example, maybe it's a good time to play the lottery since the random number generators will not be working. :)
The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
ontariodealer
ontariodealer
  • Threads: 7
  • Posts: 999
Joined: Aug 5, 2013
Thanked by
RS
January 31st, 2018 at 4:27:20 PM permalink
all we need now are 47 video links and a pic of superick with the dragnet music......dum dum dum dum.
get second you pig
gamerfreak
gamerfreak
  • Threads: 57
  • Posts: 3540
Joined: Dec 28, 2014
January 31st, 2018 at 5:08:49 PM permalink
I don’t ‘believe’ in dice setting myself, but I think a nonzero number of DI’s are lifetime due to positive variance alone.

Playing strictly pass-line and 10x odds, the chance of being net positive after 1 million rolls is around 20%.
LuckyPhow
LuckyPhow
  • Threads: 55
  • Posts: 698
Joined: May 19, 2016
January 31st, 2018 at 7:33:09 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I have no idea what to say to all that.



I admit the energy "stuff" is weird, and made even more weird because of my inability to provide a robust, on-demand demonstration of "whatever.' I don't expect you to understand it as it affects me, or as it affects another member, such as the OP, when the issue comes up from time to time. I don't expect others to embrace this, only to recognize I do because of my own personal experience. Now and then, a member (perhaps someone new to WoV) may report having an "energy" experience while gambling. Others may ridicule the post; I'll affirm it.

IIRC,the first instance of the random-number generator going non-random was during the OJ Simpson trial. It happened, was observed, and could not be explained. The Global Consciousness Project (GCP) grew out of this early event and now monitors a global array of random-number generators. GCP has detractors that insist GCP data cannot be replicated satisfactorily (and other "issues" as well). However, GCP (as I understand it) allows direct access to (copies of) its own raw data files. And, GCP apparently works closely with others -- even its detractors -- searching for answers in the marketplace of ideas. Just as I do also.
Laymedown
Laymedown
  • Threads: 15
  • Posts: 265
Joined: Nov 15, 2017
March 30th, 2018 at 1:25:21 PM permalink
GIVE THIS A TRY, Trust me it works.

FIRST OFF, Using your favorite dice set, record 50 rolls and write them down on a sheet of paper.
4,3
6,6
6,2
1,1
1,1
4,3
3,3
6,5
4,3
etc, etc, etc 50 rolls

SECOND, look at all 50 rolls and remove or cross out any NON REPEATERS accept for SEVENS

THIRD Look at the combinations of SEVENS and keep a separate log on WHAT SEVEN COMBINATIONS you are making with your favorite dice set

FORTH, Now you should have a good database of outcomes on what primary numbers you're making with those numbers.

FIFTH, Repeat step 1 and compare the two results

I take the list to the casino with me and place a check for every number that matches in my list.

After about 500 or so rolls you kind of have a mental image on what you expect to roll at your next casino visit.

IF YOU'RE NOT ROLLING ANY REPEATERS THEN GUESS WHAT? IT'S TIME TO PICK A NEW DICE SET.

Now go to the casino and bet on those numbers only and win win win!
Sorry for my many daily posts. I am a retired professional and I love to chat about gambling. I also enjoy reading and can't help but to reply to some fantastic articles.
OnceDear
OnceDear
  • Threads: 63
  • Posts: 7471
Joined: Jun 1, 2014
Thanked by
RSontariodealer
March 30th, 2018 at 1:53:19 PM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

On a grand scale, events like the long-ago O.J. Simpson murder trial -- where almost everyone in southern California was listening to the announcement of the jury verdict -- apparently caused nearby isotope-based random number generators to go out of random (something impossible normally) because everyone's attention (and energy) was focused on that the jury verdict. Focused energy can have tangible effects. Same thing happened immediately after the death of Princess Diana, only on a more global scale with numerous random number generators going out of random. On a less global scale, when energy "harmonizes" at a craps table, players win (even if the players themselves do not "feel" anything special about the table energy). My2 cents. YMMV.


Jeez I;ve read some rubbish over the years, but this takes the biscuit.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
MrV
MrV
  • Threads: 364
  • Posts: 8158
Joined: Feb 13, 2010
March 30th, 2018 at 1:59:51 PM permalink
This thread points to the likelihood of "The Triumvirate" tomorrow, Easter Sunday.

I can just picture it now: The Easter Bunny is setting the dice on April Fool's day.
"What, me worry?"
AcesAndEights
AcesAndEights
  • Threads: 67
  • Posts: 4300
Joined: Jan 5, 2012
March 30th, 2018 at 7:34:49 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

This thread points to the likelihood of "The Triumvirate" tomorrow, Easter Sunday.

I can just picture it now: The Easter Bunny is setting the dice on April Fool's day.


Need some fan art on that. Who's good at that stuff?
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
prozema
prozema
  • Threads: 24
  • Posts: 1194
Joined: Oct 24, 2016
March 30th, 2018 at 7:41:25 PM permalink
Maybe you guys are on to something here. If you embed entangled particles into a set of dice properly, then sneak them on a non-bouncy table... Oh, nevermind.
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22272
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
March 30th, 2018 at 8:02:24 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Need some fan art on that. Who's good at that stuff?

Need one of the Easter bunny, Santa Clause, and the Toofairy all pointing & laughing at a dice setter/system player with a caption that says somthing like, I can't believe he thinks this sh*t is real. Or, only a silly child would believe in such silly things.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Keeneone
Keeneone
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 1422
Joined: Aug 16, 2014
March 30th, 2018 at 8:13:17 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Need one of the Easter bunny, Santa Clause, and the Toofairy all pointing & laughing at a dice setter/system player with a caption that says somthing like, I can't believe he thinks this sh*t is real. Or, only a silly child would believe in such silly things.


You left out the Chupacabra and the Boogeyman. I guess you think they are real? ;)



This thread was dormant for 2 months before it was bumped...
LGTVEGAS
LGTVEGAS
  • Threads: 6
  • Posts: 10
Joined: Oct 6, 2013
April 25th, 2018 at 3:55:19 PM permalink
This was a long time ago. I believe to my recollection, it was on one of those old Vegas specials, or it might have been your you tube video. But it was a video. I doubt I could find it in my archives, but I did record all those old Vegas shows on the Travel Channel. We Remember the one with Antony Curtis and Bethany on the coupon run. He finds a dime on the ground and says" That's good for two cups of coffee at the Westward HO!"
In any case I do have an uncanny memory for things like that.
You didn't actually say exactly that it was possible, but rather it wasn't out of the realm of possibility that there might be something to it. Now I well remember that, because prior to you having said that I thought that there was no way dice setting a had any viability whatsoever. It struck me somewhat and so I gave it some distant passing thought that it might be something, however insignificant.
If I am mistaken I stand corrected, but do remember something like that on the show.
It's all in fun, and isn't that why we do it!
I've always been impressed by your math acumen. There must be some reason you gave up such a riveting career as an Actuary for IBM. I too have always been fascinated with mathematical probabilities. But mine is more about why people gamble, knowing there is always a house advantage.
Thanks for responding.
This town is a lonely town Not the only town like-a this town This town is a make-you town Or a break-you-town and bring-you-down town This town is a quiet town Or a riot town like this town This town is a love-you town And a shove-you-down and push-you-'round town
troopscott
troopscott
  • Threads: 20
  • Posts: 394
Joined: Apr 3, 2017
April 26th, 2018 at 6:58:54 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: gamerfreak

I think what you wrote in expectations for the dice setter suggests there is something to it. Not sure if that’s exactly what you meant, but that was also my takeaway.

This part:

“Personally, I'm still skeptical. I don't rule out the possibility, but I'm not convinced. Most casinos happily allow it. If I ran a casino, I would allow it too, because I think the number of people who can influence the dice (if any) is far outweighed by the number who think they can, but can't. Still some people I respect do believe in it, mainly Stanford Wong, who trained under Golden Touch Craps.”

I guess it’s also important to keep in mind that the context is an article describing the math for dice setting under the assumption that there is “something to it”.



None of that means I said there was "something to it." I only made that page about dice setting odds because Wong's book caused quite a stir but nobody had really answered the question of how dice setting works, if indeed it does. Since I can't disprove dice setting doesn't work, I'm not going to totally rule it out. However, after at least ten years of this topic being debated, I've yet to see any convincing evidence there is anything to it other than a way of selling books and lessons about it.



do you believe it is possible If the shooter does not hit the back wall?
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
  • Threads: 1491
  • Posts: 26435
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
April 26th, 2018 at 8:53:18 PM permalink
Quote: troopscott

do you believe it is possible If the shooter does not hit the back wall?



No. I thought it was the aim to hit right where the felt met the back wall, not just to comply with house rules, but that the combination of the two sides would absorb the energy of the dice, letting them, hopefully, fall dead. I think if the dice had to only be thrown near the wall they would bounce so often as to randomize the roll.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
NokTang
NokTang
  • Threads: 56
  • Posts: 1314
Joined: Aug 15, 2011
April 26th, 2018 at 9:02:39 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

No. I thought it was the aim to hit right where the felt met the back wall, not just to comply with house rules, but that the combination of the two sides would absorb the energy of the dice, letting them, hopefully, fall dead. I think if the dice had to only be thrown near the wall they would bounce so often as to randomize the roll.



Your thoughts are correct. However, most of the videos showing "dice influencers" rolling indicate they aim at or just behind the don't pass section of the table, the corner. The rolls are randomizing regardless as you well know and can see without the need for slow motion cameras etc.. It's all an effort as you also correctly indicate to sell books and more important "classes" and "seminars" at ridiculous prices with "no refunds" or "money back guaranty".... Meet a group of perhaps decent people all without a real care about said seminar but rather folks lacking social skills and/or grace.
nickolay411
nickolay411
  • Threads: 13
  • Posts: 283
Joined: Sep 7, 2011
May 8th, 2018 at 4:28:51 PM permalink
It is possible to land both or just one dice as a dead cat bounce. The bossman will no-roll it though. Unless they are not paying attention.
petroglyph
petroglyph
  • Threads: 19
  • Posts: 3360
Joined: Jan 3, 2013
May 8th, 2018 at 4:54:19 PM permalink
Quote: nickolay411

It is possible to land both or just one dice as a dead cat bounce. The bossman will no-roll it though. Unless they are not paying attention.

Good to see you around
nickolay411
nickolay411
  • Threads: 13
  • Posts: 283
Joined: Sep 7, 2011
May 8th, 2018 at 4:57:38 PM permalink
Yea! It's been a bit. Been focused on my short film the past few years. Its about gambling. :) Hopefully I can share it here when its done. Been playing much?
petroglyph
petroglyph
  • Threads: 19
  • Posts: 3360
Joined: Jan 3, 2013
May 8th, 2018 at 5:03:30 PM permalink
Had some med issues. Hope to get back to it. Did you see here, there was almost another SooPoo challenge, but the guy changed his mind? That was fun. How bout you?
nickolay411
nickolay411
  • Threads: 13
  • Posts: 283
Joined: Sep 7, 2011
May 8th, 2018 at 5:47:28 PM permalink
Oh! Hope you are feeling better. I missed that. Would have been interesting to see it play out. Is it me or does the forum seem a bit quieter lately?

Edit: I'm still playing. Heading to Vegas on the 18th. And then Macau later this month.
petroglyph
petroglyph
  • Threads: 19
  • Posts: 3360
Joined: Jan 3, 2013
May 8th, 2018 at 6:16:08 PM permalink
Quote: nickolay411

Oh! Hope you are feeling better. I missed that. Would have been interesting to see it play out. Is it me or does the forum seem a bit quieter lately?

Edit: I'm still playing. Heading to Vegas on the 18th. And then Macau later this month.

Sign of the times I think? There was a poll here a while back about the average age of wov posters. Could be they are just dying off, and not being replaced?
Like any group of volunteers, it relies on new blood, and the old blood suffers from contributor burn out?

Have some monster rolls Nick.
  • Jump to: