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November 22nd, 2015 at 2:19:43 PM permalink
Does it matter in UTH if the players can see each others cards? I haven't seen any studies on what, if any, advantage could be generated if people were to be able to see all the cards out with 7 people at a table sharing information. I assume someone has done a study, but I haven't come across it.
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November 22nd, 2015 at 2:34:23 PM permalink
Quote: BukWildSuperFly

Does it matter in UTH if the players can see each others cards? I haven't seen any studies on what, if any, advantage could be generated if people were to be able to see all the cards out with 7 people at a table sharing information. I assume someone has done a study, but I haven't come across it.



Check for "collusion UTH" as keywords on apheat..net. I think teliot has had something to say about this. Seems like there is an advantage with a full table, but not enough to overcome the HE, especially since they deal a fresh deck. I could be wrong.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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November 22nd, 2015 at 2:49:36 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Check for "collusion UTH" as keywords on apheat..net. I think teliot has had something to say about this. Seems like there is an advantage with a full table, but not enough to overcome the HE, especially since they deal a fresh deck. I could be wrong.

Here it is:

http://apheat.net/2015/05/28/ultimate-texas-holdem-collusion/

A full (six-player) table gets a computer-perfect edge of about 2.5%.
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November 22nd, 2015 at 3:01:11 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Here it is:

http://apheat.net/2015/05/28/ultimate-texas-holdem-collusion/

A full (six-player) table gets a computer-perfect edge of about 2.5%.



Thanks for posting the link (and doing the work)!
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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November 25th, 2015 at 7:23:41 PM permalink
In real life, however, players who peek at other players' cards tend to make poor choices, often chickening out of good 4x bets because they see one out gone.
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November 26th, 2015 at 11:52:56 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Here it is:

http://apheat.net/2015/05/28/ultimate-texas-holdem-collusion/

A full (six-player) table gets a computer-perfect edge of about 2.5%.



Stephen How wrote said full table collusion wasn't even enough to overcome the house edge. So someone unfortunately goofed. Or longer sims are needed to get a clearer answer. :(

http://discountgambling.net/2010/06/14/collusion-performance-for-ultimate-texas-holdem/
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November 26th, 2015 at 11:56:33 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Stephen How wrote said full table collusion wasn't even enough to overcome the house edge. So someone unfortunately goofed. Or longer sims are needed to get a clearer answer. :(

http://discountgambling.net/2010/06/14/collusion-performance-for-ultimate-texas-holdem/

There is no discrepancy between Stephen's results and my results. My results are for computer-perfect play. Stephen's are for a particular sub-optimal human-feasible strategy that he discusses in his post.
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