Coronavirus math
Generally, I believe that and hope it is true of this one.Quote: DeMangoQuote: OnceDearHopefully!Quote: unJonHearing there’s a new variant detected in France they think is more transmissible than Omicron. Hopefully it’s on the same trend of less severity too and pushes herd immunity down the home stretch.
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If it is, then Covid can take it's place in history as the dumbest bit of evolution since the giant panda.
don't count on it.
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Actually, if you listen to the scientists, each variant will spread faster and kill less.
I won't count on it, but I guess we will know soon.Quote:Count on it.
Listen to the fearmongers? I AM the fearmongers $:o)Quote:But you listen to the fear mongers instead.
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Actually I'm getting more optimistic about omicron, and I listen to all sides. It's just that I disagree with some.
Quote: DeMangoQuote: OnceDearHopefully!Quote: unJonHearing there’s a new variant detected in France they think is more transmissible than Omicron. Hopefully it’s on the same trend of less severity too and pushes herd immunity down the home stretch.
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If it is, then Covid can take it's place in history as the dumbest bit of evolution since the giant panda.
don't count on it.
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Actually, if you listen to the scientists, each variant will spread faster and kill less. Count on it. But you listen to the fear mongers instead.
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That’s not true. It’s an evolutionary tendency that each new virus variant will be more transmissible and less severe. It’s not a necessity that each do so. The various genetic mutations are random. And one may cause more severity and more transmissibility (see Delta vs Beta). But that would be against the evolutionary pressure, so less likely as you run time forward.
Quote: unJonQuote: DeMangoQuote: OnceDearHopefully!Quote: unJonHearing there’s a new variant detected in France they think is more transmissible than Omicron. Hopefully it’s on the same trend of less severity too and pushes herd immunity down the home stretch.
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If it is, then Covid can take it's place in history as the dumbest bit of evolution since the giant panda.
don't count on it.
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Actually, if you listen to the scientists, each variant will spread faster and kill less. Count on it. But you listen to the fear mongers instead.
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That’s not true. It’s an evolutionary tendency that each new virus variant will be more transmissible and less severe. It’s not a necessity that each do so. The various genetic mutations are random. And one may cause more severity and more transmissibility (see Delta vs Beta). But that would be against the evolutionary pressure, so less likely as you run time forward.
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We do have the results from SWA that back up the evolutionary tendency! Nice try.
Quote: DeMangoQuote: unJonQuote: DeMangoQuote: OnceDearHopefully!Quote: unJonHearing there’s a new variant detected in France they think is more transmissible than Omicron. Hopefully it’s on the same trend of less severity too and pushes herd immunity down the home stretch.
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If it is, then Covid can take it's place in history as the dumbest bit of evolution since the giant panda.
don't count on it.
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Actually, if you listen to the scientists, each variant will spread faster and kill less. Count on it. But you listen to the fear mongers instead.
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That’s not true. It’s an evolutionary tendency that each new virus variant will be more transmissible and less severe. It’s not a necessity that each do so. The various genetic mutations are random. And one may cause more severity and more transmissibility (see Delta vs Beta). But that would be against the evolutionary pressure, so less likely as you run time forward.
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We do have the results from SWA that back up the evolutionary tendency! Nice try.
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I don’t know what SWA is. I also wasn’t trying. I was stating the science of it. Folk on both sides of the debate cherry-pick what they think is the science and ignore other bits.
I think I overall agree with you, generally. But your post above misstated and overstated what the science of evolution says.
Quote: DeMangoRSA sorry, which used to be USA (Union) SWA is now Nambia. Republic of South Africa. Where all the good news about Omricon started.
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Correct. Omicron looking like it fits the tendency. Delta did not. Will the next variant? No one knows. Over time it will tend to evolve that way, but no particular variant needs to fit the trend.
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We do have the results from SWA that back up the evolutionary tendency! Nice try.
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I lost all faith in SWA since Herb Kelleher passed away.
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We do have the results from SWA that back up the evolutionary tendency! Nice try.
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I lost all faith in SWA since Herb Kelleher passed away.
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I hated SWA when I had to fly it for work. I'd rather take an hour cab to LGA than have to fly out of Islip on SWA.
Quote: DeMangoQuote: OnceDearHopefully!Quote: unJonHearing there’s a new variant detected in France they think is more transmissible than Omicron. Hopefully it’s on the same trend of less severity too and pushes herd immunity down the home stretch.
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If it is, then Covid can take it's place in history as the dumbest bit of evolution since the giant panda.
don't count on it.
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Actually, if you listen to the scientists, each variant will spread faster and kill less. Count on it. But you listen to the fear mongers instead.
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That's factually incorrect, it's just a general trend based on natural selection for a virus evolution to tend towards less severity and more transmissibility compared to the initial variant which jumped the species barrier over some period of time and x number of mutations.
But there is no specific inherent reason for a particular new variant to be less severe while more transmissible.
A new variant can easily exhibit both more severe and more transmissible qualities paired with optimal incubation period and waste entire population before it dies out with its hosts. There is a scientific concept in microbiology of viruses - optimal virulence, stating that a pathogen will evolve over time to an equilibrium point where its fitness is highest.
It's the combined efforts of scientists, medical workers, governments and citizens that helps weed out dangerous variants, not the virus evolution on it's own.
It's something to do with OSHA compliance; I'm not up on all the details since it's not my department.
Perhaps there will be new numbers to analyze soon?
Quote: DieterThe day job office sent around a memo this morning that all employees need to submit proof of vaccination or a statement of vaccination refusal.
It's something to do with OSHA compliance; I'm not up on all the details since it's not my department.
Perhaps there will be new numbers to analyze soon?
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My place is asking us to click a little button where we punch in. So yes, OSHA requirement may be hitting.
Today's sign said in VERY BIG letters- MASKS are mandatory, as we serve children who can't get the vaccine and need protection. It went on to say if anyone had an issue with this, to call a number and they would see about transferring you to a medical practice who didn't care about their patient's safety.
Last visit, they had little signs on every other chair saying out of use. This time, they had removed many chairs and each chair had a six- foot circle drawn around it.
When I asked the girl taking my blood pressure about it, she sighed and said she'd been told not to discuss it.
Quote: billryanI was at my doctor's office this morning and they had a new sign. When I was here about two months ago the sign said words to the effect that if you are fully vaccinated, masks are optional, but requested.
Today's sign said in VERY BIG letters- MASKS are mandatory, as we serve children who can't get the vaccine and need protection. It went on to say if anyone had an issue with this, to call a number and they would see about transferring you to a medical practice who didn't care about their patient's safety.
Last visit, they had little signs on every other chair saying out of use. This time, they had removed many chairs and each chair had a six- foot circle drawn around it.
When I asked the girl taking my blood pressure about it, she sighed and said she'd been told not to discuss it.
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They are getting desperate to instill fear as much as possible. With hospitalizations and deaths down, percentage wise, as infections ramp up. Wise up people, you are being played.
Earliest variants flu legitimately more harmful to children, not so much this one. Difference thought to be other variants attack the lungs more, this one attacks bronchial tubes more. Hospitalization rates are NOT down for children, the opposite even if comparably less than adults.
Overreaction? Maybe. Parents tend to be fiercely protective of their children to what many would consider irrational, not so much different than pets as far as that’s concerned. Helicopter parents are going to do what they do. They’ve been asking younger people to sacrifice their livelihood at an undeterminable future cost to them for less healthy groups for a long time so probably not ridiculous to ask for the reverse of that for a shorter period of time.
Market economy at work? Well, I guess that is one way.Quote: billryanI was at my doctor's office this morning and they had a new sign. When I was here about two months ago the sign said words to the effect that if you are fully vaccinated, masks are optional, but requested.
Today's sign said in VERY BIG letters- MASKS are mandatory, as we serve children who can't get the vaccine and need protection. It went on to say if anyone had an issue with this, to call a number and they would see about transferring you to a medical practice who didn't care about their patient's safety.
Last visit, they had little signs on every other chair saying out of use. This time, they had removed many chairs and each chair had a six- foot circle drawn around it.
When I asked the girl taking my blood pressure about it, she sighed and said she'd been told not to discuss it.
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Maybe when this is all over, that doctors practice might lose some customers in protest. It might lose some to death in the meantime, if it doesn't do this. Bit of a lose-lose situation..
All our UK hospitals, doctors, dentists etc have had chairs spaced out and mandatory masking, throughout. If the government had not mandated it, the local health authorities would have. Anyone claiming medical exemption was taken at their word.
Same with shops. I estimate 90% mask compliance in our shops at the moment.
They? "THEY?"Quote: DeMangoThey are getting desperate to instill fear as much as possible. With hospitalizations and deaths down, percentage wise, as infections ramp up. Wise up people, you are being played.
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So Doctors and their practice managers don't know what's going on. don't have a grasp of the real stats and just want to be unpopular.
Hmmmm..... What hospitalisations and deaths do percentage wise, is a bit moot, if infection rate is cancelling out (and more) the lower sickness rate. It is indeed a numbers game. Listen to those who know the numbers well enough to risk damaging their customer relationships and STILL think it's necessary.
Quote: OnceDearThey? "THEY?"Quote: DeMangoThey are getting desperate to instill fear as much as possible. With hospitalizations and deaths down, percentage wise, as infections ramp up. Wise up people, you are being played.
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So Doctors and their practice managers don't know what's going on. don't have a grasp of the real stats and just want to be unpopular.
Hmmmm..... What hospitalisations and deaths do percentage wise, is a bit moot, if infection rate is cancelling out (and more) the lower sickness rate. It is indeed a numbers game. Listen to those who know the numbers well enough to risk damaging their customer relationships and STILL think it's necessary.
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In the U.S., most decisions of these types are made by a corporate manager who manages the health/hospital organizations that doctors all work for. These decisions are not made by medical doctoirs, they are made by corporation bigwigs. Just ask your doctor or his staff..
I wanted to ask her.. ‘Oh, since our state has a HIGHER infection rate than most states, you are hoping people say “yes” to show a lesser chance of spreading Onicron?’ I doubt that is the response I would have gotten had I just said, yes, I’ve been out of state.
I went to a pizza shop to pick up a slice of pizza and there were signs all over demanding masks be worn. One sign said they weren't medical referees and with heavy fines by the state, they want you to wear a mask no matter your vax status. I think it's a $1,000 fine to the store owner, and whether they can delegate that to you the customer...idk.
Quote: billryanLast visit, they had little signs on every other chair saying out of use. This time, they had removed many chairs and each chair had a six- foot circle drawn around it.
When I asked the girl taking my blood pressure about it, she sighed and said she'd been told not to discuss it.
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Around here, there are banners in the parking lot with the reception desk phone number. Call when you arrive; wait in the car until they phone you.
The waiting room chairs are basically just for decoration in the smaller clinics.
Quote: ChumpChangeI just got my COVID booster shot AND a flu shot!
I went to a pizza shop to pick up a slice of pizza and there were signs all over demanding masks be worn. One sign said they weren't medical referees and with heavy fines by the state, they want you to wear a mask no matter your vax status. I think it's a $1,000 fine to the store owner, and whether they can delegate that to you the customer...idk.
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At this point it's obvious that everyone is spreading the China Virus, whether you're vaccinated or not, it doesn't seem to stop the spread at all. The unvaxed are more likely to fill the hospital rooms though.
It looks we're going to reach herd immunity through infection, not vaccination.
Quote: SOOPOOWent to ophthalmologist for routine annual appointment. Had a bunch of snow, so had a few minutes of cleaning off car. The temperature taker gave me a 96. So if I had a fever of 101.4 it would have read 98.6 and made the girl just as happy to let me in. After the temperature girl their was a different worker asking me the stupid questions. No I don’t have a fever. No I don’t have COVID-19. No I don’t have any symptoms of COVID-19. The next question caught me by surprise. ‘Have you traveled out of state? I quickly answered ‘not in the last week’ and that was the last question and they let me check in.
I wanted to ask her.. ‘Oh, since our state has a HIGHER infection rate than most states, you are hoping people say “yes” to show a lesser chance of spreading Onicron?’ I doubt that is the response I would have gotten had I just said, yes, I’ve been out of state.
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Not sure if you remember, but I mentioned that the poker game I worked I was an idiot and got there an hour early so was sitting outside a long time. My reading was 91F which IIRC you or someone said meant I had been dead for a couple hours if accurate. It was at that reading that I realized how useless the infared readings are.
The questions are as bad as the 1990s airport interrogation where they asked if your bag has been out of your control yadda yadda yadda yadda. Really, what does it matter if I have been out of state?
Meanwhile after a nephew birthday party several vaxed family members tested positive. I just stayed home with a minor cough, maybe I caught it maybe I didn't. My 5 days are up but will probably stay mostly home all weekend. Cold outside anyhow.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: OnceDearThey? "THEY?"Quote: DeMangoThey are getting desperate to instill fear as much as possible. With hospitalizations and deaths down, percentage wise, as infections ramp up. Wise up people, you are being played.
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So Doctors and their practice managers don't know what's going on. don't have a grasp of the real stats and just want to be unpopular.
Hmmmm..... What hospitalisations and deaths do percentage wise, is a bit moot, if infection rate is cancelling out (and more) the lower sickness rate. It is indeed a numbers game. Listen to those who know the numbers well enough to risk damaging their customer relationships and STILL think it's necessary.
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In the U.S., most decisions of these types are made by a corporate manager who manages the health/hospital organizations that doctors all work for. These decisions are not made by medical doctoirs, they are made by corporation bigwigs. Just ask your doctor or his staff..
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I will second that. My urologist has three offices, I see him at one he is at once a month. One of the nurses told me that we had to mask because they just rent that office and it is not their choice, at his "home" office they do not care so much. She personally is no fan of so many of the crazy rules and loves that I have the same view. She has great common sense.
according to Wolrdometers. info yesterday there were 751,512 new cases and 2,143 new deaths
but wait just a minute - they're trying to play you - right? - they have an agenda - right? - they're trying to turn everybody into submissives - right?
yeah, right - sure they are - better to get data from WOV members anecdotes - seriously_________________𝙉𝙊𝙏
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-deaths-daily
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according to Wolrdometers. info yesterday there were 751,512 new cases and 2,143 new deaths
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712,617 new cases and 1,814 new deaths in the United States on the day before.
Everything is relative. To the family of the deceased,( or to the member here with an anecdote), one case, one death is a lot. To 330 Million of you, it's of no significance.
Meanwhile...
Currently infected in the US, 16,619,075 out of 330,000,000 or so. Or roughly 1 in 20. The numbers are not secret.
Some of those stay home and mess up the economy by not going to work. Many carry on regardless and generously share their viral load to potentially mess up the nation's health. No need for an agenda.
People will do what people will do and we choose to avoid or embrace some risk. Pity essential workers who don't have much choice.
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Some of those stay home and mess up the economy by not going to work. Many carry on regardless and generously share their viral load to potentially mess up the nation's health. No need for an agenda.
People will do what people will do and we choose to avoid or embrace some risk. Pity essential workers who don't have much choice.
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Life does not stop for a virus.
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Some of those stay home and mess up the economy by not going to work. Many carry on regardless and generously share their viral load to potentially mess up the nation's health. No need for an agenda.
People will do what people will do and we choose to avoid or embrace some risk. Pity essential workers who don't have much choice.
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Life does not stop for a virus.
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You might try sharing that with the families of the 800,000 lives that did stop because of this virus. I'm sure they will be happy to hear this.
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Some of those stay home and mess up the economy by not going to work. Many carry on regardless and generously share their viral load to potentially mess up the nation's health. No need for an agenda.
People will do what people will do and we choose to avoid or embrace some risk. Pity essential workers who don't have much choice.
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Life does not stop for a virus.
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You might try sharing that with the families of the 800,000 lives that did stop because of this virus. I'm sure they will be happy to hear this.
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They can be happy or not but it is reality. We still have to eat. We still need heat in our homes. The financial system has to keep moving. I have to laugh at the people who say, "people are dying and you are worried about the economy!" As if everything can stop for a month while everyone hides at home watching Netflix.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: OnceDear
Some of those stay home and mess up the economy by not going to work. Many carry on regardless and generously share their viral load to potentially mess up the nation's health. No need for an agenda.
People will do what people will do and we choose to avoid or embrace some risk. Pity essential workers who don't have much choice.
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Life does not stop for a virus.
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More and more are beginning to realize this. While a year ago there was little resistance to 'saving the children' by closing schools, now you are 'bad' if you try and close schools, EVEN THOUGH Omicron seems to be way more easily spreadable among children, AND cause more sickness! The NYC mayor said, essentially, I don't give a futz about rates, transmission, etc... our schools are staying open! And IN PERSON! I expect to be infected any day now. I keep hearing about friends, relatives, associates getting Omicron. Maybe I did have it but just asymptomatic.
As far as 'mask wearing', it does not seem to be helping with this new variant. NYC has some of the most stringent mask rules and some of the highest infection rates.
By the way, around 700,000 malaria deaths last year, an easily preventable and treatable disease. Almost all were in Africa so 'no one cares'.
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By the way, around 700,000 malaria deaths last year, an easily preventable and treatable disease. Almost all were in Africa so 'no one cares'.
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Thank the DDT ban for that more than anything.
I am unvaxxed. I have "knock on wood" a very strong immune system. I am 41 years old and can count on 1 hand the amount of times I have been required to go to a doctor and the only time I have been hospitalized was to have my gall bladder removed.
Tuesday evening I had pretty bad body aches. I felt like I did the day after a football game in high school. Every muscle was sore, particularly my back. I had no fever, multiple temperature checks had me at 97.4-98.1 degrees. No cough. No breathing problems. However, I could not stay warm. I drank tons of gatorade, and rested in bed.
Today, I feel way better. I go take a test figuring, for the sake of others I need to see if I have it, and I do.
Honestly, today I feel almost back to 100%.
Hoping that that is as bad as it gets for me.
I'm far from an anti-vaxer or believe in any weird rituals, but I do feel the human body is designed to fight off and overcome some pretty bad things on its own. I have NEVER in my life used hand sanitizer and would like to believe that has helped strengthen my immune system. As weird as it may sound, I want my body to encounter small viruses, bacteria's, etc so when it encounters something, it knows how to fight it and knows what to do.
Maybe Im wrong, but thats just my opinion.
Quote: mwalz9I tested positive today for the first time since the pandemic started.
I am unvaxxed. I have "knock on wood" a very strong immune system. I am 41 years old and can count on 1 hand the amount of times I have been required to go to a doctor and the only time I have been hospitalized was to have my gall bladder removed.
I am guessing you had your Gallbladder removed a long time ago. I had mine removed about a year and a half ago and it was just an in and out procedure. The whole process took about 4 hours and I was home again. Didn't even require going to a hospital.
Good luck with your recovery. And let's hope your immediate family stay OK.Quote: mwalz9I tested positive today for the first time since the pandemic started.
I am unvaxxed. I have "knock on wood" a very strong immune system. I am 41 years old and can count on 1 hand the amount of times I have been required to go to a doctor and the only time I have been hospitalized was to have my gall bladder removed.
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You don't mention change in taste/smell, so probably omicron?
This variant really might be our salvation.
Quote: DRichQuote: mwalz9I tested positive today for the first time since the pandemic started.
I am unvaxxed. I have "knock on wood" a very strong immune system. I am 41 years old and can count on 1 hand the amount of times I have been required to go to a doctor and the only time I have been hospitalized was to have my gall bladder removed.
I am guessing you had your Gallbladder removed a long time ago. I had mine removed about a year and a half ago and it was just an in and out procedure. The whole process took about 4 hours and I was home again. Didn't even require going to a hospital.
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My gallbladder was about 10 years ago. It was supposed to be in and out. Turns out it was full of stones and starting to gangrene. Ended up being a 2 night stay and going home with a JP Drain tube in my side. Not fun stuff.
Quote: OnceDearGood luck with your recovery. And let's hope your immediate family stay OK.Quote: mwalz9I tested positive today for the first time since the pandemic started.
I am unvaxxed. I have "knock on wood" a very strong immune system. I am 41 years old and can count on 1 hand the amount of times I have been required to go to a doctor and the only time I have been hospitalized was to have my gall bladder removed.
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You don't mention change in taste/smell, so probably omicron?
This variant really might be our salvation.
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No loss of taste or smell at all. No symptoms other than 2 days of body aches, especially in back, minor headache, couldnt get warm, but with no fever.
So far I feel pretty lucky.
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky clarified that the number of children hospitalized with COVID-19 is nowhere close to the statistic put forth by Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor Friday, while noting that Americans can still work to reduce hospitalization by getting vaccinated.
The numbers claimed by Sonia was 100,000. Actual figure is 3,500. No comment was given by Chump Change.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-race-based-covid-treatment-white-hispanic-inequity-monoclonal-antibodies-antiviral-pfizer-omicron-11641573991
Quote: ChumpChangeSince it's behind a paywall, I can't read the rest of the article. But I'm gonna go with underserved communities of color.
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The issued guidelines are here
http://www.mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf
Quote:"Oral antiviral treatment is authorized for patients who meet all the following criteria:
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• Able to start treatment within 5 days of symptom onset
• Have a medical condition or other factors that increase their risk for severe illness.
o Non-white race or Hispanic/Latino ethnicity should be considered a risk factor, as
longstanding systemic health and social inequities have contributed to an
increased risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19
So, the guidance takes as fact, that Non-whites are socially and medically disadvantaged, thus at greater risk and thus in need of positive discrimination in treatment.
It's not listed AS a qualifying criteria, but it IS listed as a decision influencer.
I'm pretty sure that would be illegal advice in the UK or most of Europe. Expect it to be challenged in your courts.
Hmmmmm. Pragmatic way to allocate resources, but begging for a racial discrimination accusation.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: ChumpChangeSince it's behind a paywall, I can't read the rest of the article. But I'm gonna go with underserved communities of color.
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The issued guidelines are here
http://www.mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdfQuote:"Oral antiviral treatment is authorized for patients who meet all the following criteria:
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• Able to start treatment within 5 days of symptom onset
• Have a medical condition or other factors that increase their risk for severe illness.
o Non-white race or Hispanic/Latino ethnicity should be considered a risk factor, as
longstanding systemic health and social inequities have contributed to an
increased risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19
So, the guidance takes as fact, that Non-whites are socially and medically disadvantaged, thus at greater risk and thus in need of positive discrimination in treatment.
It's not listed AS a qualifying criteria, but it IS listed as a decision influencer.
I'm pretty sure that would be illegal advice in the UK or most of Europe. Expect it to be challenged in your courts.
Hmmmmm. Pragmatic way to allocate resources, but begging for a racial discrimination accusation.
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Pragmatic?
I cannot say more without getting suspended.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: OnceDear
The issued guidelines are here
http://www.mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdfQuote:"Oral antiviral treatment is authorized for patients who meet all the following criteria:
...
• Able to start treatment within 5 days of symptom onset
• Have a medical condition or other factors that increase their risk for severe illness.
o Non-white race or Hispanic/Latino ethnicity should be considered a risk factor, as
longstanding systemic health and social inequities have contributed to an
increased risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19
So, the guidance takes as fact, that Non-whites are socially and medically disadvantaged, thus at greater risk and thus in need of positive discrimination in treatment.
It's not listed AS a qualifying criteria, but it IS listed as a decision influencer.
I'm pretty sure that would be illegal advice in the UK or most of Europe. Expect it to be challenged in your courts.
Hmmmmm. Pragmatic way to allocate resources, but begging for a racial discrimination accusation.
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Pragmatic?
I cannot say more without getting suspended.
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Hi AZD,
Pragmatic is a euphemism $:o) Even I dared not say all the words I might apply.
I think we are OK in agreeing that it is a controversial, probably racist and even socialist/leftist approach being taken. No need for us to discuss the political correctness or otherwise of such a practice.
I try not to suspend here, just as I try not to get suspended. Though we generally disagree on many things, let's avoid it on this forum.
The policy is a controversial talking point best taken to DT.
In NY what if you're only 1/16 black? Is that black enough to receive treatment? But what if you're skin isn't dark enough and you're more than 1/4?
Quote: KeyserBefore applying treatment, how is race determined? Genetically? Or by someone that judges your race based on your skin color?
In NY what if you're only 1/16 black? Is that black enough to receive treatment? But what if you're skin isn't dark enough and you're more than 1/4?
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I am very fortunate that during my career I never had to decide on if someone would get treatment based on race. Or gender. Or income. Or even if they were incarcerated. If there is a limited supply of a treatment for COVID, I know some who firmly believe that the vaccinated should get first dibs, as if all were vaccinated there would be no shortage.
To me it is simple. Pick one of these two options.
1. First come, first served.
2. Most in need. There are easy ways to determine who is sicker, using quantifiable metrics.
Quote: KeyserBefore applying treatment, how is race determined? Genetically? Or by someone that judges your race based on your skin color?
In NY what if you're only 1/16 black? Is that black enough to receive treatment? But what if you're skin isn't dark enough and you're more than 1/4?
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I don't know how they apply it, but if you're saying it's undeterminable, then it's more or less meaningless. It's as if you've been given a directive that if a Martian or a Venusian shows up you should prioritize the Martian. Well, if you don't know how to prioritize the two, because you have no idea what constitutes a Martian from a Venusian you can't apply it, can you?
So, no problem. Just ask for a clarification or don't apply it.
Anyway, urgent healthcare is usually structured by saving life or limb moving to the head of the line. All else is first serve. (one exception can be where little can be done to save someone, so they move resources to someone not as dire who can be saved)
