Coronavirus math
December 22nd, 2021 at 3:36:02 PM
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Evening news said Omicron has been found in all 50 states. I have a feeling by the time we first heard of the reports of it in Africa, it was already well on its way here and many other places.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
December 22nd, 2021 at 6:07:59 PM
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We need to do more to ensure lab leaks like this don't continue to happen in the future. Hopefully the world will punish China for the virus.
Wuhan lab leak 'is now the most likely origin of Covid because Beijing tried to cover it up' and it is 'reasonable to believe virus was engineered in China', Harvard scientist tells MPs
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/Covid-19-UK-Wuhan-lab-leak-likely-origin-Covid-MPs-told.html
Wuhan lab leak 'is now the most likely origin of Covid because Beijing tried to cover it up' and it is 'reasonable to believe virus was engineered in China', Harvard scientist tells MPs
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/Covid-19-UK-Wuhan-lab-leak-likely-origin-Covid-MPs-told.html
December 23rd, 2021 at 3:15:19 AM
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Quote: KeyserWe need to do more to ensure lab leaks like this don't continue to happen in the future. Hopefully the world will punish China for the virus.
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I'm going to call that straying into political controversy rather than math.
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December 23rd, 2021 at 10:12:05 AM
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Quote: rxwineEvening news said Omicron has been found in all 50 states. I have a feeling by the time we first heard of the reports of it in Africa, it was already well on its way here and many other places.
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Great news! Less hospitalized, less deaths, closer to herd immunity! Gonna really piss off those who want to control us.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
December 23rd, 2021 at 10:19:51 AM
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Quote: DeMangoQuote: rxwineEvening news said Omicron has been found in all 50 states. I have a feeling by the time we first heard of the reports of it in Africa, it was already well on its way here and many other places.
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Great news! Less hospitalized, less deaths, closer to herd immunity! Gonna really piss off those who want to control us.
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Hospitalizations in Arizona are up. Deaths are at they were in Feb, and herd immunity seems as far away as ever.
Arizona Public Health officials yesterday warned that this coming January will be the worst month yet.
What state do you live in?
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
December 23rd, 2021 at 11:03:16 AM
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Quote: billryanQuote: DeMangoQuote: rxwineEvening news said Omicron has been found in all 50 states. I have a feeling by the time we first heard of the reports of it in Africa, it was already well on its way here and many other places.
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Great news! Less hospitalized, less deaths, closer to herd immunity! Gonna really piss off those who want to control us.
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Hospitalizations in Arizona are up. Deaths are at they were in Feb, and herd immunity seems as far away as ever.
Arizona Public Health officials yesterday warned that this coming January will be the worst month yet.
What state do you live in?
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It's not always easy to know why some individual communities are having surges at different times. Is it an event, or trend in the change of weather for a week that brings people out, or something else? We could also have the surge of hospitalizations, but with more people leaving the hospital alive than a year ago which would mean the hospitals could be just as overrun, but fewer deaths. It still looks like the overall long term trend is downward in deaths, with bumps along the way.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
December 23rd, 2021 at 12:06:23 PM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: billryanQuote: DeMangoQuote: rxwineEvening news said Omicron has been found in all 50 states. I have a feeling by the time we first heard of the reports of it in Africa, it was already well on its way here and many other places.
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Great news! Less hospitalized, less deaths, closer to herd immunity! Gonna really piss off those who want to control us.
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Hospitalizations in Arizona are up. Deaths are at they were in Feb, and herd immunity seems as far away as ever.
Arizona Public Health officials yesterday warned that this coming January will be the worst month yet.
What state do you live in?
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It's not always easy to know why some individual communities are having surges at different times. Is it an event, or trend in the change of weather for a week that brings people out, or something else? We could also have the surge of hospitalizations, but with more people leaving the hospital alive than a year ago which would mean the hospitals could be just as overrun, but fewer deaths. It still looks like the overall long term trend is downward in deaths, with bumps along the way.
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Those trends don't reflect the omnicron wave. Public Health Officials here say it won't peak for several weeks yet so last week's trends may not mean much. Let's be hopeful and see where we are in three weeks.
With Delta, you could look at new infections and have a sense of how many would end up in the hospital and how many would die.
Omicron is too new to be able to do that.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
December 23rd, 2021 at 12:24:59 PM
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Statistics for Arizona. Your state will differ.
In January, we averaged roughly two hundred deaths per day. During the summer there were a few weeks that we averaged under ten but most were around twenty. Yesterday we had seventy-four deaths, and the seven-day average was seventy. So, using those numbers from the CDC, deaths in Arizona have tripled on a weekly basis since the summer and have been trending up, even without omnicron.
Where are the stats of deaths trending south?
The weekly deaths in the US have almost tripled since the summer.
In January, we averaged roughly two hundred deaths per day. During the summer there were a few weeks that we averaged under ten but most were around twenty. Yesterday we had seventy-four deaths, and the seven-day average was seventy. So, using those numbers from the CDC, deaths in Arizona have tripled on a weekly basis since the summer and have been trending up, even without omnicron.
Where are the stats of deaths trending south?
The weekly deaths in the US have almost tripled since the summer.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
December 23rd, 2021 at 12:41:12 PM
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I am in Minneapolis and was at a social function at which I chatted with a Mayo Clinic doctor with expertise in infectious diseases. He said that the way that pandemics have ended, throughout most of human history, has been when the virus mutated into a less virulent (and often more highly transmissible) variant and essentially gave natural immunity to most of the population, often without them even realizing that they were infected. This is the way that epidemics and pandemics end -very few are like smallpox in which vaccines have been the major causal agent in ending the pandemic.
Like all of us, this medical doctor said that he does not know whether Omicron. is the beginning of the end of the pandemic or just a new variant that will scourge the population. He told me that it will take several more weeks before we have the early clues and a couple of months before experts will be willing to commit their reputations to being optimistic about Omicron, if indeed such optimism is justified.
So some of us might continue to predict the worst and others might profess skepticism - but lets all wait 3-4 weeks and I suspect we will all know which way Omicron is going. Between now and then the Holidays should provide us plenty of opportunity to wash away this debate with adult beverages and good cheer.
Like all of us, this medical doctor said that he does not know whether Omicron. is the beginning of the end of the pandemic or just a new variant that will scourge the population. He told me that it will take several more weeks before we have the early clues and a couple of months before experts will be willing to commit their reputations to being optimistic about Omicron, if indeed such optimism is justified.
So some of us might continue to predict the worst and others might profess skepticism - but lets all wait 3-4 weeks and I suspect we will all know which way Omicron is going. Between now and then the Holidays should provide us plenty of opportunity to wash away this debate with adult beverages and good cheer.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
December 23rd, 2021 at 1:17:00 PM
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Where are the stats of deaths trending south?
The weekly deaths in the US have almost tripled since the summer.
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Look at the whole trend of deaths from Jan 2020 to now, not just from the summer of 21. (I'm looking at the US only btw)
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December 23rd, 2021 at 2:08:04 PM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: billryan
Where are the stats of deaths trending south?
The weekly deaths in the US have almost tripled since the summer.
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Look at the whole trend of deaths from Jan 2020 to now, not just from the summer of 21. (I'm looking at the US only btw)
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I'm looking at what has happened since the vaccines have been easily available.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
December 23rd, 2021 at 3:17:41 PM
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Quote: billryanQuote: rxwineQuote: billryan
Where are the stats of deaths trending south?
The weekly deaths in the US have almost tripled since the summer.
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Look at the whole trend of deaths from Jan 2020 to now, not just from the summer of 21. (I'm looking at the US only btw)
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I'm looking at what has happened since the vaccines have been easily available.
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Yup, cherry picking the results there Bill. That doctor from Minnesota nailed it, basically repeating South African trends. I can easily tell, no one read that report. By the way leading the way with common sense we be from the great state of Florida. I have had Covid, two shots Moderna, 4 shots Regeneron, considering a booster, and according to scuttle butt weigh 220 pounds less than you. I understand your fears and apologize if I heard wrong. Just had heart surgery, got a sugar issue and a Hugh prostrate. You better believe I make fun of mask wearers especially at grocery stores and Walmart. Unfortunately we cannot make fun of all the chicken littles here, who believe what they want to believe in spite of the evidence.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
December 29th, 2021 at 9:09:59 AM
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Arizona Bowl canceled. I guess they couldn't deal with all the good news.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
December 29th, 2021 at 9:43:53 AM
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Is it COVID-19 or just a cold? Here's how to tell the difference
Appears to be no way to know, so best is to just get tested if you feel any sort of symptoms.
Actually, I've been tested almost twenty times in the past six months, including one required by the casino to participate in a celebrity poker tournament. I just go whenever I have the time or inclination, with or without symptoms. Just got tested the day before we came back to Vegas for this latest trip too. Some of these tests I get tested because I feel something or other, and then by the time the PCR (not rapid, I go for the more accurate test only) test date rolls around I feel fine, but I get tested anyway, and the Negative result comes as no surprise, but there is still that bit of pause and drumroll as I login and check results.
I use CVS and they test free (bill my insurance), but requires an appointment which generally for the PCR test must be booked a few days in advance. Drive through PCR test, results within 1-2 days. Rapid (antigen) tests may usually be scheduled day of.
Yes that's a lot of Covid tests, but I'm also the guy who gets about twelve vials of blood drawn annually for all sorts of tests well beyond the usual CMP and CBC.
Appears to be no way to know, so best is to just get tested if you feel any sort of symptoms.
Actually, I've been tested almost twenty times in the past six months, including one required by the casino to participate in a celebrity poker tournament. I just go whenever I have the time or inclination, with or without symptoms. Just got tested the day before we came back to Vegas for this latest trip too. Some of these tests I get tested because I feel something or other, and then by the time the PCR (not rapid, I go for the more accurate test only) test date rolls around I feel fine, but I get tested anyway, and the Negative result comes as no surprise, but there is still that bit of pause and drumroll as I login and check results.
I use CVS and they test free (bill my insurance), but requires an appointment which generally for the PCR test must be booked a few days in advance. Drive through PCR test, results within 1-2 days. Rapid (antigen) tests may usually be scheduled day of.
Yes that's a lot of Covid tests, but I'm also the guy who gets about twelve vials of blood drawn annually for all sorts of tests well beyond the usual CMP and CBC.
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December 29th, 2021 at 12:07:33 PM
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TV says to stop wearing cloth masks and start using N95 masks for the Omicron variant because it's spreading so fast & furious.
Seems we should have been issued a stack of 20 N95 masks per person by now.
Seems we should have been issued a stack of 20 N95 masks per person by now.
December 29th, 2021 at 12:45:23 PM
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Quote: ChumpChangeTV says to stop wearing cloth masks and start using N95 masks for the Omicron variant because it's spreading so fast & furious.
Seems we should have been issued a stack of 20 N95 masks per person by now.
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I believe they have them at Home Deopt if you want to buy them.
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December 29th, 2021 at 5:06:08 PM
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If you're vaccinated then don't worry about the Omicron. It's not going to hit you much harder than a cold. Unless you're changing your N95 with each exposure and wearing eye protection, then you're going to get it.
December 29th, 2021 at 5:54:24 PM
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Quote: KeyserIf you're vaccinated then don't worry about the Omicron. It's not going to hit you much harder than a cold. Unless you're changing your N95 with each exposure and wearing eye protection, then you're going to get it.
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Basically agree. The cases are soaring, both among the vaxxed and unvaxxed. Very few vaxxed getting very sick. I expect to get it at some point. I expect almost everyone to get it at some point.
December 30th, 2021 at 2:07:53 AM
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Might take a year plus another variant, but the writing is on the wall, it's over. Those who's main purpose was to control your life with fear, will soon be kicked to the curb. What will the negative nancies on this site do?
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
December 30th, 2021 at 2:45:06 AM
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Quote: DeMangoMight take a year plus another variant, but the writing is on the wall, it's over. Those who's main purpose was to control your life with fear, will soon be kicked to the curb. What will the negative nancies on this site do?
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They will find something else to scare you to death with. It worked well, we have seen how many people will accept being controlled if not ask to be controlled.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
December 30th, 2021 at 6:24:44 AM
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Nearly half a million new cases yesterday. How will testing ever keep up? NYC transit shutting down because too many are calling in sick. If it's not a quarantine, it's actual illness.
MTA suspends three NYC subway lines at start of rush hour as COVID surge sidelines workforce
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-mta-suspends-three-subway-lines-covid-surge-20211230-atpv5y3znzcgplhzxieqexhypi-story.html
Just shut everything down until you come back 2 weeks after you get your booster shot.
MTA suspends three NYC subway lines at start of rush hour as COVID surge sidelines workforce
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-mta-suspends-three-subway-lines-covid-surge-20211230-atpv5y3znzcgplhzxieqexhypi-story.html
Just shut everything down until you come back 2 weeks after you get your booster shot.
December 30th, 2021 at 7:00:25 AM
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About a month ago a friend had an emergency (unrelated to C-virus) and was treated in the ICU. If he had waited only a few more hours before his wife said, "To the ER. NOW!" then he might not have lived.
If something like that happens in the coming months, I wonder whether the long line of unvaxed C-virus sufferers trying to access the ER and ICU would cause a different outcome for someone like my friend (double-vaxed and boosted).
If something like that happens in the coming months, I wonder whether the long line of unvaxed C-virus sufferers trying to access the ER and ICU would cause a different outcome for someone like my friend (double-vaxed and boosted).
December 30th, 2021 at 7:10:09 AM
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TV said ER's are very bad places to be because they're full of COVID patients. So if there's several hundred people waiting in your ER and just all of them are waiting hours and hours to see a doctor, you don't want to be unvaxxed and unboosted in that room. Medical personal wearing hazmat suits?
According to NBC News, 30 percent of the FDNY’s 4,400 emergency medical-service workers are out sick, along with 17 percent of the force’s more than 10,000 firefighters. Don't call 911 unless it's a "real emergency."
According to the New York Post, more than 6,000 New York Police Department officers were out as of Tuesday, with half of that number describing flulike symptoms and over 1,300 testing positive for the coronavirus. With 17 percent of uniformed officers out sick, that tally is double the total from the prior Tuesday and far beyond the average of 1,500 that call out for health reasons any given day.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2021/12/thousands-of-nyc-firefighters-and-cops-out-sick-amid-omicron.html
According to NBC News, 30 percent of the FDNY’s 4,400 emergency medical-service workers are out sick, along with 17 percent of the force’s more than 10,000 firefighters. Don't call 911 unless it's a "real emergency."
According to the New York Post, more than 6,000 New York Police Department officers were out as of Tuesday, with half of that number describing flulike symptoms and over 1,300 testing positive for the coronavirus. With 17 percent of uniformed officers out sick, that tally is double the total from the prior Tuesday and far beyond the average of 1,500 that call out for health reasons any given day.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2021/12/thousands-of-nyc-firefighters-and-cops-out-sick-amid-omicron.html
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December 30th, 2021 at 7:51:19 AM
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A couple weeks ago, having already stopped play for the year, unrelated to covid, I said I wanted to wait a couple weeks to see what the data was as far as severe illness, hospitalizations and ultimately death, all of which lag weeks behind data involving cases. I think I have seen sufficient data to make my plans going forward.
While it looks like vaccinated and boosted people are very unlikely to get anything but mild symptoms, if that, the easy spread of omicron, means hospitals and medical personnel are going to just be completely overruns as the virus spreads across the U.S. Experts are warning it is going to be a very bad time for hospitals for the next several weeks to maybe a month. So while I feel good that I am unlikely to get real sick, I have had covid twice, once severe, once very mild after vaccination and I don't think I want to go running out and try to catch this new variant, although I suspect we will all get it at some point. And casinos and blackjack tables are just not the place I want to be right now.
So I am going to postpone the start of my playing year a couple weeks. That is the beauty of self employment. I have some day trip type things and places I have been meaning to visit, so this will be a good time to get out(side) and do some of that. Also a couple incidents towards the end of the year made me a little "hot" as far as casinos, so a couple more weeks away, can only help that.
Stay safe everyone and Happy and healthy 2022. Make good choices and don't hate others for their choices.
While it looks like vaccinated and boosted people are very unlikely to get anything but mild symptoms, if that, the easy spread of omicron, means hospitals and medical personnel are going to just be completely overruns as the virus spreads across the U.S. Experts are warning it is going to be a very bad time for hospitals for the next several weeks to maybe a month. So while I feel good that I am unlikely to get real sick, I have had covid twice, once severe, once very mild after vaccination and I don't think I want to go running out and try to catch this new variant, although I suspect we will all get it at some point. And casinos and blackjack tables are just not the place I want to be right now.
So I am going to postpone the start of my playing year a couple weeks. That is the beauty of self employment. I have some day trip type things and places I have been meaning to visit, so this will be a good time to get out(side) and do some of that. Also a couple incidents towards the end of the year made me a little "hot" as far as casinos, so a couple more weeks away, can only help that.
Stay safe everyone and Happy and healthy 2022. Make good choices and don't hate others for their choices.
December 30th, 2021 at 8:34:24 AM
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Why pay any attention to the so-called experts when the real experts here are saying the pandemic is over? Let's not let the fact they've been saying the same thing since we were at 10,000 dead? Heck, eventually they will be right and you can be sure they will tell us so.
It's just a flu. Freedom Now!!!!!!
It's just a flu. Freedom Now!!!!!!
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
December 30th, 2021 at 10:36:17 AM
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Quote: billryanWhy pay any attention to the so-called experts when the real experts here are saying the pandemic is over? Let's not let the fact they've been saying the same thing since we were at 10,000 dead? Heck, eventually they will be right and you can be sure they will tell us so.
It's just a flu. Freedom Now!!!!!!
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bill needs to listen to the real experts that have Always been right.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
December 30th, 2021 at 12:37:45 PM
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Hospitals are also getting over run because of fear. There aren't enough test sites, tests, or meds. (For example monoclonal antibodies.) So where do people go? The hospital. Piss poor management of the pandemic, a lack of leadership, and covidgasms on the news have people turning to the hospitals when they feel sick because they're scared. Most aren't admitted or are discharged immediately.
December 30th, 2021 at 12:45:20 PM
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There’s about six FDA approved at home tests in the US and they generally cost over $10/test. The EU has approved roughly 70 and there’s outrage if they cost over the equivalent of $3/test. Some level of reciprocity with the EU would have fixed that but hampered the FDA’s monopoly.
Ones that are approved here, Abbott (provider of the most prominent one) cut employees and production over the summer when demand waned. A federal government guarantee to buy a certain amount would have fixed that. Utter failure between leadership (both administrations) and the FDA.
Ones that are approved here, Abbott (provider of the most prominent one) cut employees and production over the summer when demand waned. A federal government guarantee to buy a certain amount would have fixed that. Utter failure between leadership (both administrations) and the FDA.
December 30th, 2021 at 12:49:59 PM
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The way you get more people vaccinated is you offer incentives, instead of making draconian and over reaching demands. Pay people to get vaccinated. Give them free groceries, lottery tickets, or whatever it takes. A positive message and incentives will be received by most. Arrogance, demands, and belittling will be met with defiance.
December 30th, 2021 at 12:53:04 PM
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Quote: KeyserThe way you get more people vaccinated is you offer incentives, instead of making draconian and over reaching demands. Pay people to get vaccinated. Give them free groceries, lottery tickets, or whatever it takes. A positive message is what's missing.
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Or one time, just one time over the course of this, try being proactive rather than strictly reactive once most of the damage has already been done. The reactionary measures have made no material difference in public health outcomes but sound nice that they’re doing “something.”
December 30th, 2021 at 2:15:44 PM
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It's amazing half the population can even get a driver's license. Not much more than 3 simple instructions since practically the beginning. It's not about leadership.
And it's not complicated.
And it's not complicated.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
December 30th, 2021 at 3:03:35 PM
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Quote: rxwineIt's amazing half the population can even get a driver's license. Not much more than 3 simple instructions since practically the beginning. It's not about leadership.
And it's not complicated.
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At no point has there been adequate investment in testing in the US, from the beginning when they turned down tests from the WHO so they could develop their own (which failed) to now when there isn’t adequate availability for demand.
Not sure who else that can possibly be pinned on but leadership, the common people were never going to provide them for themselves.
December 30th, 2021 at 3:17:04 PM
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Quote: mcallister3200Quote: rxwineIt's amazing half the population can even get a driver's license. Not much more than 3 simple instructions since practically the beginning. It's not about leadership.
And it's not complicated.
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At no point has there been adequate investment in testing in the US, from the beginning when they turned down tests from the WHO so they could develop their own (which failed) to now when there isn’t adequate availability for demand.
Not sure who else that can possibly be pinned on but leadership, the common people were never going to provide them for themselves.
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Granted, but following other prevention methods available would mean less need. People tested more when they refused the vaccine to do ordinary activities.in many places
There's also going to be less need for things like monoclonal antibodies if some people don't get sick enough. Although Government pays for both, currently in the US, vaccines cost = $37 per shot, antibodies = $3000 to $5000 per treatment.
If people don't want to do the recommended things for prevention, fine. But it's been explained over and over.
If people don't want to do what's been recommended,then so be it.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
December 30th, 2021 at 4:23:11 PM
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There aren't enough tests or enough testing locations. There aren't enough antibody treatments either. The lack of supplies is pathetic. And blaming the unvaccinated is disgusting. Everyone (Both vaxed and unvaxed are getting sick right now.)
December 30th, 2021 at 4:55:10 PM
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As it is the unvaccinated who are filling our ICUs, I think it is fairly obvious if the level of vaccination was in line with the measles vaccines that we wouldn't be where we are at the moment.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
December 30th, 2021 at 6:07:42 PM
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We are we are because of China.
December 30th, 2021 at 6:14:01 PM
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Quote: KeyserWe are we are because of China.
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Your post screams of racism. We are in this mess because of people like you who won't look out for their fellow man and mask up and try and stop this.
December 30th, 2021 at 6:19:49 PM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/Covid-19-UK-Wuhan-lab-leak-likely-origin-Covid-MPs-told.html
Wuhan lab leak 'is now the most likely origin of Covid because Beijing tried to cover it up' and it is 'reasonable to believe virus was engineered in China', Harvard scientist tells MPs
We're in this mess because of yet another lab accident, and because of hubris.
By the way, I'm triple vaccinated, yet I still contracted the China Virus.(Likely the Omicron, but not sure because we rarely test for the variant in the US as needed.) Not because someone was unvaccinated but because the virus mutated, likely because of vaccine pressure.
Wuhan lab leak 'is now the most likely origin of Covid because Beijing tried to cover it up' and it is 'reasonable to believe virus was engineered in China', Harvard scientist tells MPs
We're in this mess because of yet another lab accident, and because of hubris.
By the way, I'm triple vaccinated, yet I still contracted the China Virus.(Likely the Omicron, but not sure because we rarely test for the variant in the US as needed.) Not because someone was unvaccinated but because the virus mutated, likely because of vaccine pressure.
December 30th, 2021 at 8:33:04 PM
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So the problem is that you're relying on the Daily Mail, a UK rag, for your science. How stupid can someone be?
December 30th, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM
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Quote: rsactuarySo the problem is that you're relying on the Daily Mail, a UK rag, for your science. How stupid can someone be?
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In the immortal words of Admiral Akabar- it's a trap.The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
December 30th, 2021 at 9:17:11 PM
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How about the Wall Street Journal then?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184
December 30th, 2021 at 9:47:06 PM
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The Wall Street Journal does not have any sort of degree in science. I'm not discounting the possibility of a lab leak, but we need something better than a random scientist who is giving an opinion. All of this doesn't really distort the fact that you're racist.
December 30th, 2021 at 9:55:45 PM
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Sorry, but science and facts aren't racist and they don't care if you're "woke" either.
The documentary Chernobyl is a must see. In many ways, it has similarities to this pandemic.
The documentary Chernobyl is a must see. In many ways, it has similarities to this pandemic.
December 31st, 2021 at 3:23:41 AM
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Quote: Keyserhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/Covid-19-UK-Wuhan-lab-leak-likely-origin-Covid-MPs-told.html
Wuhan lab leak 'is now the most likely origin of Covid because Beijing tried to cover it up' and it is 'reasonable to believe virus was engineered in China', Harvard scientist tells MPs
We're in this mess because of yet another lab accident, and because of hubris.
By the way, I'm triple vaccinated, yet I still contracted the China Virus.(Likely the Omicron, but not sure because we rarely test for the variant in the US as needed.) Not because someone was unvaccinated but because the virus mutated, likely because of vaccine pressure.
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Rule 19, political/controversial speech. 3 days.
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 31st, 2021 at 3:26:32 AM
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Quote: rsactuaryThe Wall Street Journal does not have any sort of degree in science. I'm not discounting the possibility of a lab leak, but we need something better than a random scientist who is giving an opinion. All of this doesn't really distort the fact that you're racist.
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Personal insult. 3 days.
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 31st, 2021 at 6:55:27 AM
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I've never had a mask on my face. Not even once.
Covid free. What are the odds?
Covid free. What are the odds?
December 31st, 2021 at 7:56:02 AM
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Quote: GundyI've never had a mask on my face. Not even once.
obviously you have never lived anywhere cold. I used to wear a mask while skiing.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
December 31st, 2021 at 8:00:44 AM
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Question of the day on LVA. Omicron effect on NYE parties? “Pandemic? Shmandemic!” Gotta love it.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
December 31st, 2021 at 8:20:18 AM
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Quote: GundyI've never had a mask on my face. Not even once.
Covid free. What are the odds?
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I estimate I’ve worn a mask for 70,000 hours. But seriously, where do you live that you didn’t have to wear one in grocery, pharmacy, doctor’s office, airport, post office, casino, etc?
December 31st, 2021 at 8:27:02 AM
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I'm scaring the young new trainees at WalMart with my new N95 mask. It's much harder to talk in those things.
