Miscellaneous Discussion Thread II
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: AZDuffman
Annika did embarrass herself when she played with the men. Top of the LPGA, missed the cut when she played with the men. Would have been as if Tiger Woods played in a different division and missed the cut. IOW, you can play to your abilities and still embarrass yourself.
In the pantheon of just plain stupid AZ posts, this one is top shelf. Do you think the half of men’s pro golfers that miss the cut embarrass themselves? And your Tiger Woods analogy is plain backwards. He would be playing in a LOWER division, while she was playing in a HIGHER division.
I just looked it up. She beat ELEVEN of the best male golfers in the world. She had much to be proud of. Nothing to be embarrassed about.
Not a valid comparison. She was top of the LPGA and wanted to show how she would do against the men. She finished near the bottom. She thought she could "play with the men." She couldn't. She showed that she is below-average when compared to men.
The whole thing shows why we have women's divisions in sports.
Quote: rxwineHere is the closest thing to what might remotely be constitutional "Banning performances". But even that seems unenforceable. I don't think you can ban people just for appearing in public as the opposite sex.
Quote:Tennessee:
Passed a law restricting "adult cabaret entertainment," including drag shows, in public spaces or where they could be viewed by minors. However, a federal court blocked enforcement of the law.
Texas:
Introduced a law targeting "sexually oriented performances" in the presence of minors, which was also blocked by a federal court.
Montana:
Introduced a law restricting performers with "flamboyant," "parodic," or "glamorous" personas from public places where children are present. This law was also blocked by a federal court.
Other states:
Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Oklahoma, and Utah have also considered similar restrictions, but no laws have been enacted and fully enforced.
I suppose you could say, absolutely none of these people are actually claiming to be women but just "performers", but I would bet against that assertion being 100% sure bet.
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AEW Wrestling pulled out of shows in Oklahoma after authorities there questioned the sex of several "female" performers. One transgender wrestler was threatened with arrest after a video of them performing at an unknown location in the state was shown on the web.
When testing revealed the "silver bar" was mostly lead, the claim was withdrawn, and the wreck was shown to be that of a routine trading ship.
His treasure, which many believed to have been hidden on one of the small islands just east of Long Island, still has not been found.
The family of a murder victim was allowed to present an AI version of the victim, and the " victim" was allowed to explain how his murder affected both his life and his family.
I don't buy the idea that someone advocating all people just compete openly, no restrictions, doesn't realize they are eliminating women's sports. So they should just say "I don't care if special set-aside sports get eliminated" and if they don't say that then they aren't being honest
Maybe boxing and wrestling shouldn't have weight classes? Maybe grown men should be able to compete in Little League? Be consistent and be against those restrictions too
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By your logic, can a US state pass a law banning men from wearing a dress or skirt in public? Can a US state pass a law preventing a male bagpiper from wearing a kilt?
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Absolutely, and there have been many such laws against transvestitism in the US. Adjacent to the laws against prostitution, sodomy, public lewdness etc. which cross-dressing was considered an element of.
Although, mostly enacted at a different time when dress standards were very different. Now, a girl in flannel shirt and jeans isn't trying to pass herself off as a cowboy, any more than a kilted piper is or was ever trying to look like a girl. Such a law today might be difficult to enforce for vagueness.
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Can you cite any such laws currently en force in the United States today, in 2025. Not on the books mind you but a law or laws that have been upheld as not in violation of the 1st Amendment or other such similar provisions in state constitutions?
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Specifically to that, no there aren't any I'm aware of, but close enough are the anti-Klan acts in several states where the public wearing of the white hoods and robes was banned. I'm sure that has been tested. Unless it's in direct conflict with enumerated rights, just being provocative and offensive to the majority of the public is good enough reason to ban public behavior or display.
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Are you willing to provide legal citations to you statements?
AI "hallucinates"
it represents a major step forward in tech but there are problems
it sometimes gives wrong answers and it sometimes seems to make stuff up
https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/ai-hallucinations
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: SOOPOOQuote: AZDuffman
Annika did embarrass herself when she played with the men. Top of the LPGA, missed the cut when she played with the men. Would have been as if Tiger Woods played in a different division and missed the cut. IOW, you can play to your abilities and still embarrass yourself.
In the pantheon of just plain stupid AZ posts, this one is top shelf. Do you think the half of men’s pro golfers that miss the cut embarrass themselves? And your Tiger Woods analogy is plain backwards. He would be playing in a LOWER division, while she was playing in a HIGHER division.
I just looked it up. She beat ELEVEN of the best male golfers in the world. She had much to be proud of. Nothing to be embarrassed about.
Not a valid comparison. She was top of the LPGA and wanted to show how she would do against the men. She finished near the bottom. She thought she could "play with the men." She couldn't. She showed that she is below-average when compared to men.
The whole thing shows why we have women's divisions in sports.
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She DID play with the men, and beat ELEVEN of them. ELEVEN male pro golfers who make their living playing golf. If SOOPOO played, the odds of me beating 11 of them is actually lower than when I rolled 19 yo’s in a row.
But 100% agree on the ‘it’s why we have women’s divisions in sports’. There is no way Annika could have made a living playing golf without ‘women’s golf’.
I don’t recall any Sorenstam interviews from the time, but she seems level headed enough to know she would not be competitive with the truly top male golfers.
I do remember the talk that Michelle Wie could be competitive with male golfers. As it turned out, she was rarely competitive with top FEMALE golfers. (She was an ok pro, but not a Sorenstam).
Quote: odiousgambitPretty serious case of trolling AZ going on, I think
I don't buy the idea that someone advocating all people just compete openly, no restrictions, doesn't realize they are eliminating women's sports. So they should just say "I don't care if special set-aside sports get eliminated" and if they don't say that then they aren't being honest
Maybe boxing and wrestling shouldn't have weight classes? Maybe grown men should be able to compete in Little League? Be consistent and be against those restrictions too
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I think the original assertion was women and men shouldn't even be able to compete with each other even if they want to which I don't agree with not that women's sports should be eliminated. But I'm too lazy to trace the thread back and see.
Hey women could win the NBA trophy every year with one rule change.
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She DID play with the men, and beat ELEVEN of them. ELEVEN male pro golfers who make their living playing golf. If SOOPOO played, the odds of me beating 11 of them is actually lower than when I rolled 19 yo’s in a row.
That is a bit like saying one finished 28th in the Indy 500. Her stunt simply proved that the best female pro-golfer cannot compete with middle-of-the-road male golfers. Comparing yourself is not valid as you do not make a living at golf.
Quote:I don’t recall any Sorenstam interviews from the time, but she seems level headed enough to know she would not be competitive with the truly top male golfers.
I remember little, either. I was dating a girl who loved that she was trying, we did not discuss it afterwards.
The most famous time a woman beat a man at the same sport was probably the King/Riggs matchup. But he was what, 10+ years older and the whole thing was WWF-Tennis. Prime for prime Riggs would have crushed her.
Quote: rxwineQuote: odiousgambitPretty serious case of trolling AZ going on, I think
I don't buy the idea that someone advocating all people just compete openly, no restrictions, doesn't realize they are eliminating women's sports. So they should just say "I don't care if special set-aside sports get eliminated" and if they don't say that then they aren't being honest
Maybe boxing and wrestling shouldn't have weight classes? Maybe grown men should be able to compete in Little League? Be consistent and be against those restrictions too
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I think the original assertion was women and men shouldn't even be able to compete with each other even if they want to which I don't agree with not that women's sports should be eliminated. But I'm too lazy to trace the thread back and see.
Actually the OP has the position that there should be no womens/mens divisions, anyone can compete in anything. Which would be the end of women's sports.
Quote: rxwineQuote: odiousgambitPretty serious case of trolling AZ going on, I think
I don't buy the idea that someone advocating all people just compete openly, no restrictions, doesn't realize they are eliminating women's sports. So they should just say "I don't care if special set-aside sports get eliminated" and if they don't say that then they aren't being honest
Maybe boxing and wrestling shouldn't have weight classes? Maybe grown men should be able to compete in Little League? Be consistent and be against those restrictions too
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I think the original assertion was women and men shouldn't even be able to compete with each other even if they want to which I don't agree with not that women's sports should be eliminated. But I'm too lazy to trace the thread back and see.
Hey women could win the NBA trophy every year with one rule change.Every NBA team would have to be half women. All teams would try to draft the best women for their team
Do it like roller derby. Instead of quarters, go to eighths and men and women alternate every four minutes. Two games within one, but only the final score counts.The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: rxwineQuote: odiousgambitPretty serious case of trolling AZ going on, I think
I don't buy the idea that someone advocating all people just compete openly, no restrictions, doesn't realize they are eliminating women's sports. So they should just say "I don't care if special set-aside sports get eliminated" and if they don't say that then they aren't being honest
Maybe boxing and wrestling shouldn't have weight classes? Maybe grown men should be able to compete in Little League? Be consistent and be against those restrictions too
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I think the original assertion was women and men shouldn't even be able to compete with each other even if they want to which I don't agree with not that women's sports should be eliminated. But I'm too lazy to trace the thread back and see.
Actually the OP has the position that there should be no womens/mens divisions, anyone can compete in anything. Which would be the end of women's sports.
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I've said this before but I'll repeat it. I've seen Serena Williams several times on talk shows say that yeah she's a great tennis player and has won a lot of tournaments but she can't beat a high school male tennis champion. She said she would be crushed because men hit the ball so much harder than women and she has no defense against that. If a strong man hits a ball at you you have to be of equal strength in order to return it and women are not. The whole subject is ridiculous.
There's a reason men have the jobs in these videos and women do not. This little girl has a ton of these videos and they're very entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ewyducNF7QI
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I've said this before but I'll repeat it. I've seen Serena Williams several times on talk shows say that yeah she's a great tennis player and has won a lot of tournaments but she can't beat a high school male tennis champion. She said she would be crushed because men hit the ball so much harder than women and she has no defense against that. If a strong man hits a ball at you you have to be of equal strength in order to return it and women are not. The whole subject is ridiculous.
There's a reason men have the jobs in these videos and women do not. This little girl has a ton of these videos and they're very entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ewyducNF7QI
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It's the serves. Women can't return male serves.
And on that note, most male players don't return male serves very well either. If you watch lower ranked male pros play, they're blowing aces by each other all day. The top males, no one can blow many serves by them and that's why they are on top. There aren't as many aces in women's tennis so it relies more on finesse and many would say it's more enjoyable to watch for that reason.
Quote: billryanI've never heard of such a thing, and I'm surprised it is legal.
The family of a murder victim was allowed to present an AI version of the victim, and the " victim" was allowed to explain how his murder affected both his life and his family.
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It was an AI generated witness impacts statement after conviction.Don't know if it will hold up on appeal but there's always a first time and we'll see how it ends up.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: rxwineQuote: odiousgambitPretty serious case of trolling AZ going on, I think
I don't buy the idea that someone advocating all people just compete openly, no restrictions, doesn't realize they are eliminating women's sports. So they should just say "I don't care if special set-aside sports get eliminated" and if they don't say that then they aren't being honest
Maybe boxing and wrestling shouldn't have weight classes? Maybe grown men should be able to compete in Little League? Be consistent and be against those restrictions too
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I think the original assertion was women and men shouldn't even be able to compete with each other even if they want to which I don't agree with not that women's sports should be eliminated. But I'm too lazy to trace the thread back and see.
Actually the OP has the position that there should be no womens/mens divisions, anyone can compete in anything. Which would be the end of women's sports.
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I saw that video once, the feminists hate that it exists.
Whatever the year the Winter Olympics was in Russia I remember seeing freestyle skiing. I saw the men on the same course as the women a few days later. The men just jumped higher and farther, everything the men did the women could not do quite as well. And that is not even head-to-head like tennis. The women were doing their own thing, but if it was co-ed competition no women would have even qualified much less competed for medals.
I've said this before but I'll repeat it. I've seen Serena Williams several times on talk shows say that yeah she's a great tennis player and has won a lot of tournaments but she can't beat a high school male tennis champion. She said she would be crushed because men hit the ball so much harder than women and she has no defense against that. If a strong man hits a ball at you you have to be of equal strength in order to return it and women are not. The whole subject is ridiculous.
There's a reason men have the jobs in these videos and women do not. This little girl has a ton of these videos and they're very entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ewyducNF7QI
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how about tweaking the rules to have a somewhat fair competition between women and men____?
for example in MMA fighting - a 250 pound woman versus a 130 pound man____________________:)
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how about tweaking the rules to have a somewhat fair competition between women and men____?
for example in MMA fighting - a 250 pound woman versus a 130 pound man____________________:)
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As I understand, in some gyms, you pay extra for that.
Baseball expanded in 1969, adding 44 pitchers, and the next perfect game would not be for 13 years.
Of 23 perfect games, eight have been by Hall of Fame pitchers, and two have been by pitchers who never completed another game.
The Yankees have had four perfect games, while the White Sox surprisingly have had three.
Quote: rxwineApple users have up to 8 weeks to collect up to $100. (Some spyware class action suit)
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About 15 years ago, I carried an iPhone, per corporate decree.
Privacy policy said we disable Siri.
Your call if you want the convenience of a wiretap in your pocket.
