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Quote: RonCWhat the heck does that have to do with a conversation about removing a statue? If you want to start your own conversation in this thread, go ahead...it just makes no sense to past something totally unrelated as a reply to something about removing statues.
Removing a statue decision belongs to the community paying the expenses of maintaining a statue
If you are not a local resident and are complaining about a statue removal
The solution
Move to the community and convince the locals to keep spending money to maintain the statue
or
If a statue is coming down and you want to save it, use private money to resurrect on private land
Quote: RonCWhat the heck does that have to do with a conversation about removing a statue? If you want to start your own conversation in this thread, go ahead...it just makes no sense to past something totally unrelated as a reply to something about removing statues.
The truth sucks, doesn't it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/starbucks-needle-disposal-boxes-more-locations-2019-4
Quote: billryanThe truth sucks, doesn't it.
You just can't keep the topics in the correct thread, can you?
I'm not going to comment beyond that; we have a couple of threads on the kind of issues that you may be referring to by trying to hijack this thread. If I am wrong about what you are trying to imply, then start a conversation within this thread about whatever topic that fits the thread that you would like to talk about.
Quote: MaxPenThere are needle disposal boxes in some casino bathrooms. I always assumed it was predominantly for diabetics. Starbucks is a company that allowed the homeless and drug addicts into their stores. Now they have to shut some stores down because people no longer come into their stores in the worst areas. Imagine that.
It was the fear of being un-PC that killed them. All they had to do was say, "this is a business, not a park bench. Nor do we run public bathrooms. Skin color has nothing to do with it."
Fact of life is some stores you have to police that kind if thing hard and some you do not. A MCD in downtown Pittsburgh has signs saying "20 minute limit" and the manager regularly has to get in the face of people who loiter there. Has to keep vigilant about troublemakers. Place is right on the busline and panhandlers, vagrants, and other troublemakers drift in all the time. Out in the suburbs none of this is an issue. Well, there was an issue in a Burger King where they had to take out the self-serve fountain drinks because of Section 8 housing residents bringing in containers to fill.
Most people know this kind of thing is reality. Had SBUX stood up for itself it would have all blown over until the race-hustlers found a new target. But their management is so indoctrinated they probably are more concerned about people off the street having a bathroom to use than their paying customers putting up with people shooting up.
FWIW I have seen the needle boxes in other places, probably for diabetics. I doubt SBUX all of the sudden needed them for that.
Quote: MaxPenThere are needle disposal boxes in some casino bathrooms. I always assumed it was predominantly for diabetics. Starbucks is a company that allowed the homeless and drug addicts into their stores. Now they have to shut some stores down because people no longer come into their stores in the worst areas. Imagine that.
People go to Starbucks for meetings, to socialize, to study, etc. A bunch of homeless people or drug addicts hanging out is not exactly an inviting setting for those things.
I am not surprised that some stores don't do well when those things are prevalent.
Quote: RonCThis is the problem when we try to erase history. Everyone is okay with taking this or that down (perhaps Confederate statues), then it is on to the next thing...the founders failings, etc. It just keeps going...we have a hard time stopping the removal train once it leaves the station.
Since we are all imperfect, someone can find a reason to remove just about everything...if they try hard enough...
I don't think your last line is accurate. We can have a debate about the hazier lines between someone's overall goodness and faults, in order consider whether we should elevate them to the public square for permanent recognition.
Quote: RonCPeople go to Starbucks for meetings, to socialize, to study, etc. A bunch of homeless people or drug addicts hanging out is not exactly an inviting setting for those things.
I am not surprised that some stores don't do well when those things are prevalent.
Unless I am out of town
I never ever go to starbucks anymore
How hard is it to make a cup of coffee.
I used to go there for their frappes. I cant drink that anymore, too much sugar. Unhealthy. I cut frappes and ice cream from my diet.
Quote: RonCPeople go to Starbucks for meetings, to socialize, to study, etc. A bunch of homeless people or drug addicts hanging out is not exactly an inviting setting for those things.
I am not surprised that some stores don't do well when those things are prevalent.
Due to the “issue” last year in Philadelphia, Starbucks gave into the PC Culture. Hopefully Homeless Advocates are advising homeless that Starbucks is a great home base from 6AM-11PM.
Of course the majority of Starbucks customers deserve to have their $6 coffee experience ruined by a smelly junkie undressing them with their one good eye. After all these junkies are just “victims”.
Quote: rxwineI don't think your last line is accurate. We can have a debate about the hazier lines between someone's overall goodness and faults, in order consider whether we should elevate them to the public square for permanent recognition.
I have no confidence in those debates being fair or even correctly decided. We are allowing too many to apply current standards to the past.
In this case, the teams involved are privately held so there was no public debate and I would not block their right to do what they want...
Quote: RonCI have no confidence in those debates being fair or even correctly decided. We are allowing too many to apply current standards to the past.
I think you're also confusing pulling down a statue with a complete obliteration of a historical event. No one should forget tyrants of history. Doesn't mean we need their statues out in the park. (not saying kate is a tyrant, just my general application to more important aspects of this type of thing)
Quote:In this case, the teams involved are privately held so there was no public debate and I would not block their right to do what they want...
So, it's kind of irrelevant in this case.
Quote: rxwineI think you're also confusing pulling down a statue with a complete obliteration of a historical event.
No, I'm not, but thanks for checking.
Quote: rxwineSo, it's kind of irrelevant in this case.
I just said that...
Quote: lilredroosterit's not about Trump ( didn't want to start a new thread) but I find it pretty sad and amazing that we've come to this - I've seen needle disposal boxes in the mall bathrooms near me
https://www.businessinsider.com/starbucks-needle-disposal-boxes-more-locations-2019-4
That's about insulin needles in the first place. Idk what to say about junkie use, except better there than on the floor, or especially in the hand towel wastebasket. It's not unlikely either a bathroom cleaner or a customer might reach in there for a dropped item, or that a needle could rip thru the side of the bag.
A bunch of muslim suicide bombers blow up multiple churches in Sri Lanka. Why isn’t the media and Western governments demanding bans on muslims?
Quote: MaxPenA guy with a gun shoots up a mosque in New Zealand and the media and government demands bans on guns.
A bunch of muslim suicide bombers blow up multiple churches in Sri Lanka. Why isn’t the media and Western governments demanding bans on muslims?
The media and western govts don't hate Muslims
A bunch of white people shot up a mosque
The media and western govts don't hate white people either
Quote: MaxPenA guy with a gun shoots up a mosque in New Zealand and the media and government demands bans on guns.
A bunch of muslim suicide bombers blow up multiple churches in Sri Lanka. Why isn’t the media and Western governments demanding bans on muslims?
You can't overthrow a tyrannical government with a Muslim.
Quote: MaxPen
Why isn’t the media and Western governments demanding bans on muslims?
there's this tiny little thing in the U.S. called Freedom of Religion - it's in the Constitution - First Amendment - maybe you missed it while you were focusing all of your attention on the 2nd Amendment
did you ever hear about it?
also, the vast majority of people realize that you shouldn't punish an entire group of people for the crimes of a tiny % of them
First Amendment:
"𝐂𝐨𝐧𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐧𝐨 𝐥𝐚𝐰 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐧 𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐡𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐢𝐨𝐧, 𝐨𝐫 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐡𝐢𝐛𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐞𝐞 𝐞𝐱𝐞𝐫𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐨𝐟;"
virtually 𝐚𝐥𝐥 of the terrorists who have been captured were captured due to the help of Muslims who hate the terrorists more than you do
would you like to lose that as a resource?
Quote: petroglyphI don't know, but call me old fashioned. I remember when junkies had to hide their drug use.
I remember when you had to score some s#$% from some sketch bag under the train tracks. Now it's some dude in a white coat at Rite Aid.
deletedQuote: FaceI remember when you had to score some s#$% from some sketch bag under the train tracks. Now it's some dude in a white coat at Rite Aid.
An interesting change of pace. If he does it he would trigger NATO. A world war over a third world nation and garbage!
Quote: AZDuffmanPhilippines' Duterte gives Canada 1 week to take back garbage or 'we will declare war'
An interesting change of pace. If he does it he would trigger NATO. A world war over a third world nation and garbage!
A declaration of war against Canada does not trigger NATO any more than The Argentinian attack on the Falklands did. If terms like third world nations existed back then, both World Wars started because of them. Serbia was a wart on Europe's rump and Poland still counted on cavalry units at the start of the Second War.
Quote: billryanQuote: AZDuffmanPhilippines' Duterte gives Canada 1 week to take back garbage or 'we will declare war'
An interesting change of pace. If he does it he would trigger NATO. A world war over a third world nation and garbage!
A declaration of war against Canada does not trigger NATO any more than The Argentinian attack on the Falklands did. If terms like third world nations existed back then, both World Wars started because of them. Serbia was a wart on Europe's rump and Poland still counted on cavalry units at the start of the Second War.
I agree that a "declaration of war" does not trigger NATO, but if the Philippines does conduct an armed attact on Canada in North America it will trigger NATO.
Argentina's attack on the Falklands did not trigger NATO because the attack occurred outside of NATO's Article 5 jurisdiction.
NATO Article 6 "For the purpose of Article 5 an armed attack on one or more of the parties is deemed to include an armed attack on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France, on the occupation forces of any Party in Europe, on the islands under the jurisdiction of any Party in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer or on the vessels or aircraft in this area of any of the Parties."
http://archives.nato.int/uploads/r/null/1/4/145641/0010_NATO_Handbook_1959_ENG.pdf
Quote:The U.S. Navy is drafting new guidelines for pilots and other personnel to report encounters with "unidentified aircraft," a significant new step in creating a formal process to collect and analyze the unexplained sightings — and destigmatize them.
The previously unreported move is in response to a series of sightings of unknown, highly advanced aircraft intruding on Navy strike groups and other sensitive military formations and facilities, the service says.
"There have been a number of reports of unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft entering various military-controlled ranges and designated air space in recent years
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-navy-drafting-new-guidelines-for-reporting-ufos/ar-BBWdVrV?ocid=spartanntp
There are plenty of diabetics out there besides junkies, but the junkies are most likely to have diseases innocent people can catch. I'd kind of be surprised to see a junkie waste $2 on a cup of coffee though. Maybe they just want the finer things, the ambience of the starbucks bathroom must be a real treat.Quote: lilredroosterit's not about Trump ( didn't want to start a new thread) but I find it pretty sad and amazing that we've come to this - I've seen needle disposal boxes in the mall bathrooms near me
https://www.businessinsider.com/starbucks-needle-disposal-boxes-more-locations-2019-4
Quote: FleaswatterQuote: billryanQuote: AZDuffmanPhilippines' Duterte gives Canada 1 week to take back garbage or 'we will declare war'
An interesting change of pace. If he does it he would trigger NATO. A world war over a third world nation and garbage!
A declaration of war against Canada does not trigger NATO any more than The Argentinian attack on the Falklands did. If terms like third world nations existed back then, both World Wars started because of them. Serbia was a wart on Europe's rump and Poland still counted on cavalry units at the start of the Second War.
I agree that a "declaration of war" does not trigger NATO, but if the Philippines does conduct an armed attact on Canada in North America it will trigger NATO.
Argentina's attack on the Falklands did not trigger NATO because the attack occurred outside of NATO's Article 5 jurisdiction.
NATO Article 6 "For the purpose of Article 5 an armed attack on one or more of the parties is deemed to include an armed attack on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France, on the occupation forces of any Party in Europe, on the islands under the jurisdiction of any Party in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer or on the vessels or aircraft in this area of any of the Parties."
http://archives.nato.int/uploads/r/null/1/4/145641/0010_NATO_Handbook_1959_ENG.pdf
I'm not that familiar with the Philippine military, but I doubt they have much that would get anywhere near our hat.
"Research has shown the category of willful defiance was disproportionately used to discipline minority students, specifically African-Americans. Assembly Bill 420 was signed into law by Governor Brown in 2014, eliminating the expulsion option for schools. It took effect on January 1, 2015.
So we are not going to remove the kids who are causing problems, that should really help out the educational problems. I have to wonder, does anyone have the guts to ask if the reason Black students get more suspensions is because they misbehave more? Subjective to answer to be sure, but should not at all be ruled out.
Quote: AZDuffmanCalifornia May Ban Schools From Suspending Students For ‘Willful Defiance’
"Research has shown the category of willful defiance was disproportionately used to discipline minority students, specifically African-Americans. Assembly Bill 420 was signed into law by Governor Brown in 2014, eliminating the expulsion option for schools. It took effect on January 1, 2015.
So we are not going to remove the kids who are causing problems, that should really help out the educational problems. I have to wonder, does anyone have the guts to ask if the reason Black students get more suspensions is because they misbehave more? Subjective to answer to be sure, but should not at all be ruled out.
"Existing law already prohibits schools from suspending children in grades K-3 for disrupting or willful defiance. Existing law also prevents schools from recommending the expulsion of students in all grades for disrupting or willful defiance." It's been easy already for years to discern which kids had no discipline in their households. And it is nearly impossible to compete with peer pressure. This is crazy.
IIRC, forcing your child into that atmosphere 30 years ago, would have qualified as child abuse?
People that are considering having children need to spend a few days at these schools and witness what goes on, and see if that is what you want to have living with you, because that is what your kids will turn into "if they are cool" and want to be respected by their peers.
Quote: petroglyph
People that are considering having children need to spend a few days at these schools and witness what goes on, and see if that is what you want to have living with you, because that is what your kids will turn into "if they are cool" and want to be respected by their peers.
Schools have been allowed to get so out of hand. In the 1950s, a kid chewing gum or not throwing waste in the trashcan was a big deal. Today, many schools need cops onsite. How many people had school police when they grew up?
Where I went there were about 5% causing 90% of the problems. They needed to be sent to reform school. If we had that system again, school problems would plummet. But heaven forbid we boot a kid from school for any reason.
Quote: mcallister3200I imagine if you go to a school when kids are being dropped off and picked up and witness their parents complete disregard for any sort of parking/waiting/bike lane restrictions, particularly in an upper middle class zip code, and it’s simple to see how many kids could develop an attitude that rules don’t apply to them.
I did that once to help out my sister, picked up my nephew at a upper middle class elementary school
All the parents waited patiently in a car line
It was very civil and safe. I had a placard on the dashboard proving I was safe to pick up a child
Nobody was breaking any rules. Very organized.
Quote: terapinedI did that once to help out my sister, picked up my nephew at a upper middle class elementary school
All the parents waited patiently in a car line
It was very civil and safe. I had a placard on the dashboard proving I was safe to pick up a child
Nobody was breaking any rules. Very organized.
You'd be surprised at some of the antics people try to pull to avoid the orderly process.
One mom here avoided the line by signing her kid out twenty minutes early every day. They soon changed the policy and you had to sign them out an hour before schooll ended.
Not every school or district has discipline over the process. The it is just a free-for-all.
Quote: terapinedI did that once to help out my sister, picked up my nephew at a upper middle class elementary school
All the parents waited patiently in a car line
It was very civil and safe. I had a placard on the dashboard proving I was safe to pick up a child
Nobody was breaking any rules. Very organized.
Ok. Tampa must be a reasonable place then. Try Summerlin, different story.
Quote: mcallister3200Ok. Tampa must be a reasonable place then. Try Summerlin, different story.
This was actually in Houston, visiting my sister.
Barbara Bush Elementary school
Lots of teachers outside keeping everything organized
Dangerous to let young folks that won't move out of their parents basement, vote.
Quote: petroglyphhttps://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-24/failure-launch-adult-children-living-their-parents-are-destroying-retirements
Dangerous to let young folks that won't move out of their parents basement, vote.
I keep hearing these stories and keep smh. Just taking up a room while you work is one thing, and in many cases works out. But to have your car insurance paid? I was told I had to pay up, and up front, if I wanted to drive.
I remember an article about worse than this back about 1999. How 30-40 year olds were going to their parents for money for SUVs and other luxuries. If the parents are loaded I say "whatever" to it all. Collapse is coming, let those who can enjoy enjoy. When it does collapse they will be the ones freezing in the dark.
Quote: terapinedUnless I am out of town
I never ever go to starbucks anymore
How hard is it to make a cup of coffee.
I used to go there for their frappes. I cant drink that anymore, too much sugar. Unhealthy. I cut frappes and ice cream from my diet.
I get a double shot of espresso(sometimes decaf) over a full cup of ice. Add a teaspoon of cream to discolor it. It's a 20 calorie no sugar treat. About $2.50.
Quote: SOOPOOI get a double shot of espresso(sometimes decaf) over a full cup of ice. Add a teaspoon of cream to discolor it. It's a 20 calorie no sugar treat. About $2.50.
I work at home
Hmm, I could either make something in the morning in my kitchen before my short commute upstairs
or
get in my car and have to drive in rush hour. No thanks
Despite that
I actually drink starbucks every morning.
Costco special, Kirkland Signature House Blend Starbucks medium roast whole beans
2lb, $9.99 bargain. Cheapest whole bean at Costco.
The removal in instigated by a local minority and the politicians run scared so its rarely a 'community' issue.Quote: terapinedRemoving a statue decision belongs to the community paying the expenses of maintaining a statue
Quote: FleaStiffThe removal in instigated by a local minority and the politicians run scared so its rarely a 'community' issue.
Community needs to elect better politicians
Don't want the statue to come down.
Move to the community
Run for office
Get elected
Keep the statue
:-)
The first alarm at Notre Dame sounded at 6:10 PM. The second at 6:43.
This video with no time stamp, was taken by ViewSurf, a webcam site. It shows a person, and two flashes, or reflections, at the location where the fire started.
He stops. Then there is a flash. He stops again, and there is a second, larger flash.
Quote: Tanko875 French churches were vandalized, in 2018.
To compile this, what was the least vandalized church and what happened
I have a feeling somebody noticed a scratch on a pew and called it vandalism
lol
Really sad that some conservatives are so filled with hate that they are looking for any reason to blame Muslims
However, people can continue to make excuses for muslims until they wake up and wonder what happened to their way of life.
Quote: MaxPenNotre Dame security seems to have been very lacking. There are numerous videos of people climbing all over the roof on the internet, including spending the night. It takes alot to ignite huge oak timbers. One will probably never know the true cause of the fire.
However, people can continue to make excuses for muslims until they wake up and wonder what happened to their way of life.
I have never seen anything like the excuse making. The worst excuse makers tend to hate any other religion and even religion in general. Something about islam, though. You hear the refrain, "you can't hate them all for the actions of a few!" Or "I know a good muslim, it is impossible that there is a problem with islam."
Meanwhile the no-go zones grow and the harassment of non-muslim women continues. The root of the problem is ignored.
Or put another way, Washington state legislature votes to reinstate state sponsored discrimination!
Who's side are you on
In one corner, we have Oliver North - NRA needs to watch its spending
In the other corner Wayne LaPierre - send spend spend
