Women have zero accountability towards men
Ace is correct in his statement that women can get away with much more than men in certain areas.
But I also have to say that I haven't had an experience like this yet in my life. Nothing even remotely close. I'm in my 60s now, maybe it'll happen one day. If it does, I'll be just as dumbfounded as he was.
Petro has some great insight above. Who knows what is going on in her life. It shouldn't giver her the right to do what she did though. (Is that considered assault?)
I hope you have gotten over this rude behavior on the part of this random stranger by now. She shouldn't have the right to take up any more space in your mind. She, and anybody like her, certainly aren't worth it.
Quote: petroglyphWhat this person did was certainly rude and her actions are not what I personally would teach my children.
I have thought about this post and try to visualize the why of it. I think the majority of the responses are prejudice, posters vocalizing on past unfairness realized or imagined.
I think there is a good possibility that this woman is suffering a great deal for reasons we will not know. But if we take a break from thinking these thoughts that she was thinking along the lines of the gist of this thread [womens lib] and stop to consider how much pain she was in, our thoughts might go a little easier on her. Hasn't each of us responded in the past curtly, or short and later wished we hadn't? I have.
Just for a minute Ace, consider that she may have just lost her beloved dog, her companion, her closet friend. She may have been in self destruct mode, just hoping to get in a fight or anything that may break the chain of agony she was feeling.
I know you deal with some awful people, but even wonderful people have awful moments. I certainly have reacted to situations which later on, I wish I had responded differently.
Consider briefly, that her actions were not her normal behavior, and her suffering was manifesting in this undesirable way? Otherwise, we can continue to go on, believing the worst of everyone. Continue going on this rant, hating on women [or men] and it will only fester. Hate breeds hate and contempt the same thing.
If we knew this person and this was her continual behavior it would be our duty to try to help her see her evil ways, but a one off circumstance hardly gives us the experience to judge the whole female species.
I am sorry if all you men have only experienced these kind of women, or for the women that only meet men that are users and abusers. I repeat regularly that I realize I got lucky. My woman, my wife, is not this way. She is the best person [regardless of gender] that I have ever met . Absolutely wonderful people are pretty rare, regardless of sex.
I ask you to consider this women was in pain, and not the status quo, or representative of the entire female race. If you can't break that train of thought, you will be miserable forever. I was for a long time, and it cost me. There is peace beyond misogyny/mysandry. Life is already hard enough, give compassion a chance.
I think Ace, you too were suffering and weren't at your personal best either. You are a good person and I think under different circumstances you may have figured a way to make this unpleasant encounter better.
Conversely, why does she not take into account that perhaps my life is in shambles or, at the very least, commensurate with the lyrical descriptions contained in a country song? As a matter of fact, I was in a perfectly good mood - I was coming from getting my windshield repaired and was heading home - merely stopping for gas - not in a bad mood nor was anything heavy weighing on my mind
In the legal world of torts (civil wrongs), there is a concept known as the "eggshell plaintiff" - this is basically the idea that you take each person as they are — for example - a person is born with a brittle skull ("eggshell") and, due to someone's negligence or recklessness or intentional tort, they not only have normal injuries associated with that person's act, but also have additional injuries due to their specific physical makeup
As she was the wrongdoer herein, she must account for my peculiar circumstances, not the other way around
I am not trying to excuse her behavior, only offer another possibility other than her chromosomes. Ace, she may very well not have the capacity to rise up out of the deluge of anxiety from a stressful world? She may wake up next week and you two meet under different circumstances and laugh about it? Then again she may get worse, IDK. And this thread has been fun, but I refuse to believe it is solely because she is female.Quote: aceofspadesConversely, why does she not take into account that perhaps my life is in shambles or, at the very least, commensurate with the lyrical descriptions contained in a country song? As a matter of fact, I was in a perfectly good mood - I was coming from getting my windshield repaired and was heading home - merely stopping for gas - not in a bad mood nor was anything heavy weighing on my mind.
I admire your post where you attained custody for the best parent [the man], surely you have seen it go the other way. Some men should not be allowed near kids, but that isn't because they are men. I am wondering what it would be like if I mostly saw couples at their worst [divorcing]? I don't know if I am strong enough to keep trying to find the good in people. I already see too much suffering, but I get to see some of the beauty too, maybe we should go to more weddings and find the couples at their happiest?
The filling station isn't a court of law, it is a court of life. Most people are under stress and just cruise along, distracted, not really in the moment. I am on your side that she was wrongfully rude. Me personally, I just can't meet the next person carrying prejudice that they will be like her. I am nearly jaded as it is, but I am searching for peace. I need it.Quote:In the legal world of torts (civil wrongs), there is a concept known as the "eggshell plaintiff" - this is basically the idea that you take each person as they are — for example - a person is born with a brittle skull ("eggshell") and, due to someone's negligence or recklessness or intentional tort, they not only have normal injuries associated with that person's act, but also have additional injuries due to their specific physical makeup
As she was the wrongdoer herein, she must account for my peculiar circumstances, not the other way around
Maybe she is just unawares and a lousy driver and a rude person? Many people fit that description, my position is, it isn't because of their gender. That is probably because I get to witness what it can be like when life is the other way. Mutual respect, realizing everyone has an off day.
Edit; I had Bill Withers up anyway, "Ain't no sunshine when she's gone" https://youtu.be/jPK9kr4_imM
This woman may have had her life in shambles... Then again she may have just won some kind of lottery and been in a "eff everyone hells yeah" kind of mood. The real point is, much like Schrödinger's cat, we don't know. She could be having the worst day of her life, or the best day of her life, or maybe that's just how she is. As much as petroglyph encourages you to think about what could be wrong with her (which is in general a good life practice), the other side of the equation must balance... Think about what could be right with her, and consider the possibility that that's just her personality / who she is. All we can go off of are facts. The facts are she was a total b*tch, and rubbed it in to boot. The fact is she did this because she did not have the fear a man would have of any kind of retaliation, and that is the object of our discussion; women wanting to be equals, only when it benefits them.
Quote: RomesThe fact is she did this because she did not have the fear a man would have of any kind of retaliation, and that is the object of our discussion;
women wanting to be equals, only when it benefits them.
I think Ace said he was afraid of other people's reaction. The thing is, that implies when women are alone, it's men's advantage again when there is a confrontation. (In general. not talking about trained people on either side)
Why does that not balance out?
Blame the justice system for getting it wrong if they convict men when they hear both sides of the story. Many people do anyway. Or we can blame lawyers.
We don't have to do anything. I am just saying that there is another possibility other than gender. You are still a newlywed IIANM? Its your business, not mine. I said before that role playing can end up disastrous. If we continue to play this silly game, it will have "real" consequences.Quote: Gabes22...Why should he have to think about some hypothetical that may or may not have happened?
I didn't excuse this persons behavior and I agree Ace was the bigger human being. Thankfully he didn't just shoot her.
Part of my philosophy is contained in this song, OK? https://youtu.be/KEXQkrllGbA Lean on me, Bill Withers
The argument is that "Society will let her get away with acting in a way they would not let a man get away with acting BECAUSE she's a woman".
The problem that needs to be addressed is not females or female nature. The problem that needs to be addressed is the way society grants women "equal rights" only when it is to their advantage, while still allowing them to take advantage of the "benevolent sexism" that is hardcoded into human DNA.
Quote: darthxaosThe problem that needs to be addressed is not females or female nature. The problem that needs to be addressed is the way society grants women "equal rights" only when it is to their advantage, while still allowing them to take advantage of the "benevolent sexism" that is hardcoded into human DNA.
Just an aside, this site is filled with people trying to take advantage of something to someone's else's disadvantage. Casino is owned by people. Or other players they profit from.
Not sure where casting moral aspersions on people using advantages given to them is the high road.
Just sayin'
Quote: petroglyphI am not trying to excuse her behavior, only offer another possibility other than her chromosomes. Ace, she may very well not have the capacity to rise up out of the deluge of anxiety from a stressful world? She may wake up next week and you two meet under different circumstances and laugh about it? Then again she may get worse, IDK. And this thread has been fun, but I refuse to believe it is solely because she is female.
I am not stating that being female caused her actions - it is her knowledge that, as a female in "polite society" - she realizes she can basically verbally (and even physically) assault a man without repercussions, 99% of the time
Quote: petroglyphI admire your post where you attained custody for the best parent [the man], surely you have seen it go the other way. Some men should not be allowed near kids, but that isn't because they are men. I am wondering what it would be like if I mostly saw couples at their worst [divorcing]? I don't know if I am strong enough to keep trying to find the good in people. I already see too much suffering, but I get to see some of the beauty too, maybe we should go to more weddings and find the couples at their happiest?
Weddings can be fun, but the divorce is more profitable
Quote: RomesWhile petroglyph brings up good points in 'general' for people to think about, I think it's apples and oranges to the original conversation/idea. We should all take a step back and think about where someone else is in their lives before judging them. That's where the term "Walk a mile in their shoes" comes from. With that said you can do that and still come to realize women blatantly abuse the fact that they are women all the time, regardless of "where their life's at."
This woman may have had her life in shambles... Then again she may have just won some kind of lottery and been in a "eff everyone hells yeah" kind of mood. The real point is, much like Schrödinger's cat, we don't know. She could be having the worst day of her life, or the best day of her life, or maybe that's just how she is. As much as petroglyph encourages you to think about what could be wrong with her (which is in general a good life practice), the other side of the equation must balance... Think about what could be right with her, and consider the possibility that that's just her personality / who she is. All we can go off of are facts. The facts are she was a total b*tch, and rubbed it in to boot. The fact is she did this because she did not have the fear a man would have of any kind of retaliation, and that is the object of our discussion; women wanting to be equals, only when it benefits them.
Well said Romes - really brought this thread back on point - much obliged
Quote: rxwineI think Ace said he was afraid of other people's reaction. The thing is, that implies when women are alone, it's men's advantage again when there is a confrontation. (In general. not talking about trained people on either side)
No no no - I was not afraid of other's reactions - I was merely acting as I always would in that situation involving a woman — being the bigger person and moving on. Yes, if I had retaliated, plenty of nearby men would have jumped in against me, but there was no fear in my decision. I am merely noting that, had I done something, men would have stepped in regardless of who was in the right or wrong.
Quote: rxwineJust an aside, this site is filled with people trying to take advantage of something to someone's else's disadvantage. Casino is owned by people. Or other players they profit from.
Not sure where casting moral aspersions on people using advantages given to them is the high road.
Just sayin'
As the mathletes on the board always point out - I am not an AP - so, there is no moral dilemma for me
woman, and they're angry (which is
about half the time), all we want to know
is, are they angry at US. Once we find out
they aren't, we could care less about it.
Keeping up with that is a job that would
drive you nuts.
Quote: EvenBobWhen men are in a relationship with a
woman, and they're angry (which is
about half the time), all we want to know
is, are they angry at US. Once we find out
they aren't, we could care less about it.
Keeping up with that is a job that would
drive you nuts.
You hit the "nail on the head"
Quote: aceofspadesYou hit the "nail on the head"
Pretty hilarious. Men are 'fixers' and women
are complainers. When they complain to us,
we think they're asking us to fix something.
We're that way because we complain when
we want answers and solutions. Women
do it just because they like complaining.
I had a woman tell me that very thing 30
years ago. 'Every time I tell you something,
don't try and solve it like it was a puzzle.'
Then don't tell it to me, shut up already.
Quote: aceofspadesYou hit the "nail on the head"
That has got to be the post of the day, friggin hilarious. I wish I could say I had never experienced what that guy is going through.
"I don't want you to fix it, I want you to listen" hahahhaha
Poor bastard, I got to fess up to something, my pecker has never been my friend.
Quote: EvenBob
I had a woman tell me that very thing 30
years ago. 'Every time I tell you something,
don't try and solve it like it was a puzzle.'
Then don't tell it to me, shut up already.
Yeah, that is what their girlfriends are for.
Quote: petroglyph
That has got to be the post of the day, friggin hilarious. I wish I could say I had never experienced what that guy is going through.
It's why so many women have Gay male
friends. He will listen and not comment
or offer advice, more times than not.
I am not capable of that. The very fact
you're telling me something means you
want my input. Otherwise, seriously,
shut the 'f' up about it.
Conversely, it's why I seldom tell my wife
anything. She just sits there and says
nothing. If I ask for an opinion, she won't
have one.
Quote: EvenBobIt's why so many women have Gay male
friends. He will listen and not comment
or offer advice, more times than not.
Had that happen a short time ago.
My wife's girlfriend was surreptitiously trying to tell me off when she mentioned she had fantastic "Gadar", I had to ask,,, how so?
She said, I can tell if a man is gay when I immediately want him to be my best friend.
Well, there you have it, she doesn't want to have me for a best friend,,,, just as well.
Quote: aceofspadesNo no no - I was not afraid of other's reactions - I was merely acting as I always would in that situation involving a woman — being the bigger person and moving on. Yes, if I had retaliated, plenty of nearby men would have jumped in against me, but there was no fear in my decision. I am merely noting that, had I done something, men would have stepped in regardless of who was in the right or wrong.
Well, then I don't know what you want.
Women, or anyone else will ask for equality, where they don't have it, as anyone should
Whatever else they take or not take within the law, is convention. You can rage at it, or whatever.
I am familiar with all the conventional complaints.
I myself am not particularly interested in a victimization issue here. I have had different results with different women. Some not very good. Some good.
There's no universal theme though. If you carry baggage from every bad experience to your next one, maybe you run into the same issues.
The only difference between this thread and some thread here about some minorities complaining is more people here think this issue is something.
Now that's funny.
People don't like perpetual victims but they will join a club of them if they can.
Quote: rxwineWell, then I don't know what you want.
Women, or anyone else will ask for equality, where they don't have it, as anyone should
Whatever else they take or not take within the law, is convention. You can rage at it, or whatever.
I am familiar with all the conventional complaints.
I myself am not particularly interested in a victimization issue here. I have had different results with different women. Some not very good. Some good.
There's no universal theme though. If you carry baggage from every bad experience to your next one, maybe you run into the same issues.
The only difference between this thread and some thread here about some minorities complaining is more people here think this issue is something.
Now that's funny.
People don't like perpetual victims but they will join a club of them if they can.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
It's actually worst, you're a layer.Quote: aceofspadesAs the mathletes on the board always point out - I am not an AP - so, there is no moral dilemma for me
Or with their boots.Quote: Romes"Walk a mile in their shoes",
rubbed it in to boot.
Boots are made for walking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10204636404094103&pnref=story
*not my facebook, one of my friends shared the video from a public page
Quote: RomesWow Ace, I saw this on FB and I couldn't help but think of you and how I had to share this...
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10204636404094103&pnref=story
*not my facebook, one of my friends shared the video from a public page
"YO! That's a female"
"Call 911"
The guy sitting in the chair tells the girl to leave him alone and she says "What are you gonna do?" and he replies "I ain't gonna do nothing" — this empowered her to actually physically assault him
Most of this was legally self-defense by the men
Quote: RomesWow Ace, I saw this on FB and I couldn't help but think of you and how I had to share this...
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10204636404094103&pnref=story
*not my facebook, one of my friends shared the video from a public page
Lol at before-feminism Tupac. Not going to lie, I think some of the girls in that video could make minced meat out of me even if I chose to defend myself.
Quote: aceofspades— this empowered her to actually physically assault him
I said before, I saw this all the time
35 years ago. Women know you won't
do anything most of the time and it
makes them go to far sometimes. All
it takes is some guy to clock them real
good, and they quit doing it for awhile.
I have never hit a woman in my life.
But I understood Sean Connery when
he said sometimes you have to smack
her around a little to get your point
across.
A: They both start with a sucking and a blowing and before you know it you've lost your house and everything you own.
My granny had a poodle like that. I dogsat for her one time and the mean little bastard was snapping and snarling at my young kids. I put the boots to it, didn't hurt it but it quit snapping at people.Quote: EvenBob...I said before, I saw this all the time
35 years ago. Women know you won't
do anything most of the time and it
makes them go to far sometimes.
My grandmother came home and got her dog back. She called me up to exclaim how well behaved her dog was, like I was some kind of miracle dog trainer. [I didn't tell her the secret] It didn't take long of letting it beg, and eating under the dining table to get it to revert. It always kept an eye on me when we visited though. Didn't snap at my youngsters either, they are smart. But then again, they don't have lawyers and a "justice system", backing them up. I can't help thinking that eventually society will correct itself.
Quote: rudeboyoiI hate when I hear people say "I'm for equal rights. That's why I'm liberal." or something along those lines. No you arent. By supporting the state you believe that some of us are not equal. You support the idea that politicians, judges, and their thugs have "rights" that the rest of us don't have.
They don't have rights that we don't, they have authority that we don't.
Quote: rudeboyoiI hate when I hear people say "I'm for equal rights. That's why I'm liberal." or something along those lines. No you arent. By supporting the state you believe that some of us are not equal. You support the idea that politicians, judges, and their thugs have "rights" that the rest of us don't have.
Liberals are not for "Equal rights." They are about "special rights" for one group or another.
Quote: GandlerThey don't have rights that we don't, they have authority that we don't.
Notice I put rights in quotes.
Quote: rudeboyoiI hate when I hear people say "I'm for equal rights. That's why I'm liberal." or something along those lines. No you arent. By supporting the state you believe that some of us are not equal. You support the idea that politicians, judges, and their thugs have "rights" that the rest of us don't have.
it's a very delicate subject but I have a relative who loves to instigate very uncomfortable conversations, and makes people snap to the point of yelling. I think she feels that everything is someone else's fault, and will never apologize for anything. My mom and grandmother both feel she deserves it when she gets smacked around by her husband sometimes.
"Kinder, kuche, kirche."
translated: "Children, kitchen, church."
Women ruled those areas with an iron fist.
Everything else was the man's domain.
Ah, simpler times.
Quote: MrVThose old Germans had a woman's role figured out, at least for the times.
"Kinder, kuche, kirche."
translated: "Children, kitchen, church."
Women ruled those areas with an iron fist.
Everything else was the man's domain.
Ah, simpler times.
Or as Chris Rock put it. Food. Sex. Silence. Feed me. F*** me. Shut the F*** up!
Not that I necessarily believe that, but the OP does have a very valid point of societal accepted double standards between the sexes.
Quote: darthxaosI'll just leave this here
https://youtu.be/IE29WXXT17Q
I almost fapped to this
Quote: aceofspadesIf a man acted like this, he would be fired - but, since it is a hot female reporter, she only gets a one week suspension from ESPN
Ace, if you want to start a petition to have this terrible person fired, I will sign it.
In this topsy turvy world we are living in, the attendant will probably lose her job and the biatch will get promoted. I hope this goes so viral ESPN loses viewers.
an almost talking to herself manner,
in a calm voice. From her tone of voice,
you would never know most of it was
meant to be insulting.
Quote: petroglyph
In this topsy turvy world we are living in, the attendant will probably lose her job and the biatch will get promoted.
You must not know any tow maidens. I'd bet hard cash this flustered her not a bit XD
Quote: FaceYou must not know any tow maidens. I'd bet hard cash this flustered her not a bit XD
No, no I don't face. I've been towed enough, everyone has been pretty good to me. The guy that towed my pick up last time asked if I ever wanted to sell it call him first, I said cool.
I have seen how the beautiful and privileged start life with such an advantage, that continues in life until they feel it is their right to have things handed to them that others, less beautiful struggle for.
The queen there has some broadcast job, so presumably has the $, and the tow person theirs. It didn't seem like a lot of words needed to be exchanged. The queen seemed to feel it her prerogative to insult the other worker [less entitled] to the point of humility. Imagine the indignity of the queen were the shoe on the other foot.
Quote: aceofspadesIf a man acted like this, he would be fired - but, since it is a hot female reporter, she only gets a one week suspension from ESPN
A hot reporter sleeping with a network exec might not. Of course, one can make many assumptions without knowing many facts.
