Women have zero accountability towards men

Quote: mcallister3200

I don't think she would have tried that if there were a rap concert going on nearby.

Quote: beachbumbabs

AoS,

So some woman was an a-hat to you and you turn that into a generalization about women. As a woman, I'm embarrassed by women who act like she did, and I daresay most other women are as well. Just as I'd be embarrassed for you if you'd done the same to her. Jerks are not, by definition, restricted to one sex or the other.

If you have good enough insurance, you could always take the Kathy Bates road with a- like these (see Fried Green Tomatoes). But sometimes, an a-hat is just an a-hat. I thought something similar to what Face said was appropriate: stand in front of the pump and take the hose. A lot of them stretch far enough. Tell her to wait her turn. No way does she get a pass from me or anybody else for her rudeness. But indicting all women for one rude a-hat says more about you than about her.

Quote: aceofspades

I have learned throughout my years on the planet Earth, and, most recently, about an hour ago, that, for all of the feminists that continually shout that men and women are equal and must be treated the same, there is no way they would actually want this — why, well, here is what just happened to me:


I was pulling into a gas station and was turning to get next to a pump—as I was pulling up to the pump, a woman (about 35 years old from the looks of it), sped in from the opposite direction, slamming on her brakes before almost hitting the front of my SUV.

I looked at her and raised my shoulders and said "What are you doing?"

She flips me the bird

Gets out of her car and, as she walks past my passenger side window, looks at me and says "Ya snooze ya lose"

WTF!!!

If this was a man, there would have been words and likely physical altercation…

However, I hypothesize the following:

1—a man would not do this, knowing that doing something like this could lead to a fight;
2—a woman does this because, despite being "equal", knows that 99.9% of males in society will do nothing in response

As such, she can cut off someone in line for gas, flip them off and then continue to be the aggressor by mouthing off to the male as she passes his window.


This is why chivalry is dead and men and women will never be "equal" — women will never be accountable to men in these types of situations because society condones said behavior and prohibits men from acting like they would if another man did this to them.

I am not advocating for violence at all but, you cannot tell me that this whole scenario would have been different if it was a male that did this to me.

Quote: aceofspades

... for all of the feminists that continually shout that men and women are equal and must be treated the same, there is no way they would actually want this...

Quote: RS

I disagree.

I don't think AOS is making a point that women are in general a-hats.....just that they can get away with certain things that men can't get away with (or men can't get away with them as easily).

Quote: beachbumbabs

AoS,

So some woman was an a-hat to you and you turn that into a generalization about women. As a woman, I'm embarrassed by women who act like she did, and I daresay most other women are as well. Just as I'd be embarrassed for you if you'd done the same to her. Jerks are not, by definition, restricted to one sex or the other.

If you have good enough insurance, you could always take the Kathy Bates road with a- like these (see Fried Green Tomatoes). But sometimes, an a-hat is just an a-hat. I thought something similar to what Face said was appropriate: stand in front of the pump and take the hose. A lot of them stretch far enough. Tell her to wait her turn. No way does she get a pass from me or anybody else for her rudeness. But indicting all women for one rude a-hat says more about you than about her.

Quote: Perdition

What about the Kathy Bates Misery road?

Quote: aceofspades

So you must be a fan of Plessy v. Ferguson

Quote: MrV

"Actually, you are incorrect and merely spewing forth media-driven propaganda - if you look at the studies, it is about 60% women and 40% men for reported domestic violence cases —"


Most of the inmates in the local jail who were convicted of assault / DV are male.

Ah, the Wild West.

Q: "What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?"

A: "Nothing, she's already been told twice."

A lot of that mentality out here.

Quote: beachbumbabs

AoS,

So some woman was an a-hat to you and you turn that into a generalization about women. As a woman, I'm embarrassed by women who act like she did, and I daresay most other women are as well. Just as I'd be embarrassed for you if you'd done the same to her. Jerks are not, by definition, restricted to one sex or the other.

If you have good enough insurance, you could always take the Kathy Bates road with a- like these (see Fried Green Tomatoes). But sometimes, an a-hat is just an a-hat. I thought something similar to what Face said was appropriate: stand in front of the pump and take the hose. A lot of them stretch far enough. Tell her to wait her turn. No way does she get a pass from me or anybody else for her rudeness. But indicting all women for one rude a-hat says more about you than about her.

Quote: Face

XD

I just remembered...

One of the hardest hits I ever took in hockey was from a chick. It was a full contact / no checking tourney. Puck got poked free and I burst up from the neutral zone to keep it in as she burst out from the defending zone to clear it. I got there just before her and poked it in, then stood straight up so I didn't murder her dead. This bull never hesitated. She exploded into me, a purpose.

I was 210lbs going over 20mph. Not only did she stop me dead, she blew me off my feet, backwards. I hit the glass, not even the boards, but the glass, horizontally.

No penalty.

Not only no penalty, but no recourse. Can't cross check her in the back, can't face wash, can't drop the gloves. Just had to knock the kidneys back into place, put my helmet back on straight, and hobble back to the bench.

What can you do?

Quote: beachbumbabs

RS,

Start with the title of this thread, then look at some of the statements he made. I think he is making an unfair generalization, based not on what a jerk did to him, but on his own frustration in stopping short of reacting to the jerk as he wanted to BECAUSE she was a woman. I'm saying treat a jerk as a jerk deserves to be treated, though as Mosca said, even if it HAD been a man, what was AoS going to do about it? He was, in the end, the better person.

Quote: FleaStiff

Translate this to a poker table.... would you think it strange?

Do you really think she was being "feminist" or "butch" or merely assertive, which would be a learned practiced behavior of aggressive opportunity seeking.

Do you think she would still want to be first in the lifeboat?

Don't you think she could have driven safely if she had wanted to? And certainly could have driven in a more meek and mild manner, but would have considered that "letting you have the pot". Had you flipped her off in return would she have burst into tears or opened the door and dragged you out onto the concrete for some head slamming lessons?

My Orange County, CA acquaintance flew to Kentucky to visit old friends and everybody in town thought she was an aggressive driver, but in Orange County she is just a normal driver who lead foots it alot and considers an intersection to be where other cars come to a stop for her.

I used to go to one rather rough bar. There was one woman there I never turned my back to. Too dangerous. She once was in a seven month relationship. (Long one for her). I saw her end it somewhere between breaking a pint glass over her boyfriends head and ramming his face into a decorative glass mirror. As she always announced afterwards, she doesn't like to fight.

Quote: aceofspades

I never stated she was a feminist or butch

Quote: AxelWolf

Butch women are the biggest confrontational trouble makers I have ever meet. They tend to look for reasons to flex their mussels and provoke people. The have something to prove. I tend to stay as far away from them as I can.

Quote: beachbumbabs

RS,

Start with the title of this thread, then look at some of the statements he made. I think he is making an unfair generalization, based not on what a jerk did to him, but on his own frustration in stopping short of reacting to the jerk as he wanted to BECAUSE she was a woman. I'm saying treat a jerk as a jerk deserves to be treated, though as Mosca said, even if it HAD been a man, what was AoS going to do about it? He was, in the end, the better person.

Quote: MrV

Hardly.

Most victims of domestic violence are women who are assaulted by men

Quote: darthxaos

http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/domestic-violence-statistics-laws-and-information-for-men/

Quote: rxwine

Being an a**hole to someone doesn't make you a feminist. Just makes you an a**hole.

Quote: aceofspades

See, the attitude of "What can you do?" merely reinforces the behavior

Quote: petroglyph

Could it be the complaints about women are Freudian, and what the complaints psychologically are, is a transference of anger towards ones mother? Presumably for not breast feeding long enough or the lack of fulfillment of sexual desire or abuse?

Freud said "its always about the mother".

Quote: aceofspades

As the apocryphal quote attributed to Freud states: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

Quote: petroglyph

Could it be the complaints about women are Freudian, and what the complaints psychologically are, is a transference of anger towards ones mother? Presumably for not breast feeding long enough or the lack of fulfillment of sexual desire or abuse?

Freud said "its always about the mother".

Quote: petroglyph

That is what Clinton said also. : ) That was denial as well.

Quote: aceofspades

So I am apparently angry because my mother didn't breast feed me enough—excellent analysis petroglyph - I cannot wait for your future observations about my psyche (yawn)

Quote: Gandler

...Freud was wrong about a lot, he was a product of his time.

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... And, nobody is saying all women are evil, only that society's protection of women allows them to thrive even the ones who should not.

Quote: petroglyph

Agreed, he also created a product in his time and many people suffered and still do because of it. For me, it is that one group or another is a target of prejudice. Sure there are people who blame all women, or all persons of an ethnic group, or religion.

It is just like when members here say all Muslims are murderers and should be treated thusly. People are just generally no damn good, it isn't relegated to gender, color, height, etc. It is just how people are.

I am more of a John Lennon type,..."Imagine", although there have been more ignorant times of my life. The one I need to work on is me G, and I am trying, on a daily basis. ..."A work in Progress"

I don't know if I will survive this dot dot dot thing...? Reminds me of..."Another one bites the dust" https://youtu.be/rY0WxgSXdEE

Quote: aceofspades

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Nobody here is saying anyone is evil - what we are discussing is the ability of one gender to get a pass on behavior that the other gender is held accountable for

Quote: petroglyph

Behavior like spitting and scratching crotches, all the while ogling the opposite sex?

I didn't say people are evil but I will say and have that people are generally just no damn good. In my introspection it seems apparent that we are all just in it for ourselves, without judgment whether that is good or evil, that is how it appears to me. Even the do-gooders have a self motivation for doing so.

Quote: aceofspades

Yeah exactly right :eye roll:

Quote: aceofspades

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Nobody here is saying anyone is evil - what we are discussing is the ability of one gender to get a pass on behavior that the other gender is held accountable for

Quote: petroglyph

In my introspection it seems apparent that we are all just in it for ourselves, without judgment whether that is good or evil, that is how it appears to me.

Quote: rxwine

I've appreciated more than once being able to go alone at night somewhere, where women often fear to go alone. And I'm not talking about places that aren't safe for everyone, just in general, out alone at night. Walk down the sidewalk alone. I don't need a friend or a dog or mace to feel okay about it.

If men don't notice that ability, they must be willfully oblivious.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Definitely the saddest comment that I've read in the years I've been on this forum. To be so missing the up side of life at this stage of the game is lamentable. Maybe seeking out wider contacts would be rewarding. Not all do-gooders have ulterior motives. That is the height of humanity that contrasts so puzzingly against the depths.

Quote: aceofspades

The point of this thread is women's behaviors towards men that men would never get a pass on from other men (i.e. what the woman felt "safe" in doing and how she acted after doing so towards me at the gas station) — not what men can do alone or women can do alone (men can choose to walk down a dark street, but so can women) - women can give birth, men cannot — men produce sperm, women cannot — the differences between the genders is not in question here - actually, I am stating there are differences in the genders - but, that is not the point of this thread

Quote: rxwine

It fits, because guess who is likely the source of their fear at walking alone. Men. Yes, I suppose some women threaten women walking alone but it's men. Men's behavior in almost all cases you normally hear of.

Quote: rxwine

I've appreciated more than once being able to go alone at night somewhere, where women often fear to go alone. And I'm not talking about places that aren't safe for everyone, just in general, out alone at night. Walk down the sidewalk alone. I don't need a friend or a dog or mace to feel okay about it.

If men don't notice that ability, they must be willfully oblivious.

Quote: rxwine

It fits, because guess who is likely the source of their fear at walking alone. Men. Yes, I suppose some women threaten women walking alone but it's men. Men's behavior in almost all cases you normally hear of.

And, I and other men are getting a pass.

Quote: Gandler

If men reported women for every offense than women often report men for, then women would be the offenders. And, if police and family took male victims the same as female victims, then the idea that men are the only offenders, would not only be wrong, it would be laughably opposite.