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24Bingo
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July 25th, 2012 at 7:10:37 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

24Bingo, Let me take a wild guess are you a dealer?



I imagine if I were a dealer I'd want you to tip the jackasses.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
zippyboy
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July 25th, 2012 at 7:46:20 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

I was talking about tips with a floorman who works as a dealer at another property, discussing those players who constantly say, "I would TIP if I WERE WINNING -" like dealers have the option to stack the cards or swap in loaded dice.


This is exactly my point. Tipping will not get me better cards. I never cuss the dealer for bad cards, and I never credit them for good cards, but I sometimes tip a buck, though I resent it. When I win a pot, it could be because I played it well and has NOTHING to do with the dealer at all. Why should the dealer get a buck because I raised preflop with my 63 offsuit and played it aggressively and won. Nothing at all to do with the dealer. I laugh at the sheeple who want to look like whales and tip extra for no reason.

When I leave the poker table, a always say "Good luck everyone" and leave quietly.
"Poker sure is an easy game to beat if you have the roll to keep rebuying."
Paigowdan
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July 25th, 2012 at 7:53:54 PM permalink
Quote: zippyboy

Quote: Paigowdan

I was talking about tips with a floorman who works as a dealer at another property, discussing those players who constantly say, "I would TIP if I WERE WINNING -" like dealers have the option to stack the cards or swap in loaded dice.


This is exactly my point. Tipping will not get me better cards. I never cuss the dealer for bad cards, and I never credit them for good cards, but I sometimes tip a buck, though I resent it. When I win a pot, it could be because I played it well and has NOTHING to do with the dealer at all. Why should the dealer get a buck because I raised preflop with my 63 offsuit and played it aggressively and won. Nothing at all to do with the dealer. I laugh at the sheeple who want to look like whales and tip extra for no reason.

When I leave the poker table, a always say "Good luck everyone" and leave quietly.



Zippy, you don't tip "for better cards," and for that matter, the waitress doesn't cook the food you eat either, - and so tipping her won't get you better food.

You tip for the service provided, if you want to, or feel it merits it.

The people who provide face-to-face service to the general public generally have real hard jobs that require a good deal of work: waiters, dealers, drivers, etc.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
Mission146
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July 25th, 2012 at 8:18:07 PM permalink
The only dealer that I have ever completely failed to tip at Blackjack did not get a tip because he was giving this old woman horrible advice. She said that it was her first time playing Blackjack and she was only doing so because it was the one year anniversary of her husband's death and he always loved playing Blackjack. She was so sweet, I am secure enough in my masculinity to say that I'm getting a little teary-eyed just thinking of that poor, sweet widow.

Anyway, this @$$clown of a dealer would just give her absolute garbage for advice when she asked for advice. You could tell he was a pretty sharp cat, too, I have no idea what his problem was. He would be showing a five when she'd have a total of sixteen, she'd ask what to do, and he'd tell her she should hit because if she stands and he gets seventeen or better he will win. They were eights, in one case!!! I tried to tell her to split the eights, but she wouldn't listen to me, she trusted the dealer because he was the dealer.

I sat there and played with her until she was ready to leave, and when she left, I also left that @$$clown's table. I got his name off his nametag, though, and you better believe I called the casino the next day and told them all about it.
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zippyboy
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July 25th, 2012 at 8:31:15 PM permalink
I see your point Dan. But, we don't tip everyone in the service industry, do we? Why don't we tip the Vons checkout girl who interacts with us pleasantly? Why don't we tip the bank teller, who just hands us our own money, same as the cash cage attendant? The spa masseuse wants a tip, but not the car mechanic? I have to tip the barber but not the mailman? Tip the waitress at the diner, but not the cook? Why is that? How can I keep it all straight? There's no continuity or reason to it at all. So I urge all of you to think for yourselves and not follow some dumb "custom" just because others do it. Think for yourselves.

For the record, I believe in tipping people who I'll see often and provide a friendly service, and can deny service if I don't tip. CWs are tipped of course, and restaurant waitstaff because I don't want her to ignore me when my iced tea needs refilling next visit. I know the waitress doesn't cook my food, but she shares that tip with the cook and busboy, or is supposed to anyway. I tip a barber I see often because I don't want him to snub me or give me a shoddy job next haircut. I don't tip a taxi driver. Why would I? I pay for a direct route, which I may not even receive, he may be excessively talkative or tell racist jokes trying to gain my graces, and I'll never see him again anyway...gotta be the biggest waste of money tipping a cabbie. I feel the same about dealers. They have a job to do, and I don't care if they're nice to me or not. If they suck at it, they won't have a job for long. And it's not MY responsibility to supplement their salaries! To all you people who think it's stealing not to tip must be spineless wimps too afraid to assert yourselves. Or rich. Dan, you're different being a dealer yourself; I can understand your motivation to inspire others to tip, but it's a waste of money to tip dealers. I DO tip a poker dealer on occasion when the pot is big, and we've built up a relationship because I'm there a lot, but I resent it.
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aceofspades
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July 25th, 2012 at 8:38:28 PM permalink
Quote: zippyboy

I see your point Dan. But, we don't tip everyone in the service industry, do we? Why don't we tip the Vons checkout girl who interacts with us pleasantly? Why don't we tip the bank teller, who just hands us our own money, same as the cash cage attendant? The spa masseuse wants a tip, but not the car mechanic? I have to tip the barber but not the mailman? Tip the waitress at the diner, but not the cook?




How about doctors? Lawyers? Teachers? Architects? Bus drivers? Railroad engineers? Airline pilots? Stewardesses? etc...etc......etc
LOL
buzzpaff
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July 25th, 2012 at 8:51:07 PM permalink
" Stewardesses? " you did tip her, didn't you. Don't Lie !
24Bingo
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July 25th, 2012 at 9:08:38 PM permalink
Quote: zippyboy

There's no continuity or reason to it at all. So I urge all of you to think for yourselves and not follow some dumb "custom" just because others do it. Think for yourselves.



You'd make an excellent king in a desert.

Whatever you think of it, you're gambling in a place where it's expected that dealers will be tipped, and the world around them is set up for them under the assumption that decent service gets tips. In the UK, by all means, stiff 'em, but here, while you're giving your beautiful exhortations to "think for yourselves," you're living in the real world, and screwing over your fellow humans. Sure, it's an arbitrary tradition, but when you get right down to it, they all are, and yet, when they've become entrenched, you don't have to like them, and you don't even always have to follow them, but you can't pretend they're not there, and if you don't follow them, you can't pretend not to be doing what you know you are. Especially at the poker table (or in a cab), the only difference between what you are doing and picking the dealer's pocket is that you won't be arrested, and if that's the basis of your morals, fine. From your rants that boil down to "I tip when it directly and obviously helps wonderful, beautiful me!" I get the feeling that's not far off.
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aceofspades
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July 25th, 2012 at 9:11:48 PM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

You'd make an excellent king in a desert.

Whatever you think of it, you're gambling in a place where it's expected that dealers will be tipped, and the world around them is set up for them under the assumption that decent service gets tips. In the UK, by all means, stiff 'em, but here, while you're giving your beautiful exhortations to "think for yourselves," you're living in the real world, and screwing over your fellow humans. Sure, it's an arbitrary tradition, but when you get right down to it, they all are, and yet, when they've become entrenched, you don't have to like them, and you don't even always have to follow them, but you can't pretend they're not there, and if you don't follow them, you can't pretend not to be doing what you know you are. Especially at the poker table (or in a cab), the only difference between what you are doing and picking the dealer's pocket is that you won't be arrested, and if that's the basis of your morals, fine. From your rants that boil down to "I tip when it directly and obviously helps wonderful, beautiful me!" I get the feeling that's not far off.



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Female genital mutilation is customary
Slavery was customary
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aceofspades
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July 25th, 2012 at 9:12:16 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

" Stewardesses? " you did tip her, didn't you. Don't Lie !



They tip me! lol

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