Having to tip dealers is ridiculous

Go with your feelings Bob They are usually right.

Quote: EvenBob

I'm talking about in a business situation open to the
public. Sure there are bank tellers and waitresses and
cahsiers. But you only deal with them for a few minutes
at a time.

Hint: think of what Germany, Amsterdam and Storey County have in common.

Or to be more exact what particular form of access to women they all offer.

Quote: P90

Or to be more exact what particular form of access to women they all offer.

So what? You can pay for a hooker here too if you want
one, I don't see the correlation.

Quote: EvenBob

So what? You can pay for a hooker here too if you want
one, I don't see the correlation.

You did ask "Where else do men have access to women like this".

He meant "access like this," not "women like this," and frankly, the way you're twisting it seems to reflect a disturbing view of women.

Quote: 24Bingo

He meant "access like this," not "women like this,"

That's what I meant too. You hire a hooker and you have access like that. A lot more access, really.
Also, strip clubs too.

Quote: P90

That's what I meant too. You hire a hooker and you have access like that. A lot more access, really.
Also, strip clubs too.

Thats not what I meant at all. I said public access.

Quote: RonC

So I don't want to tip them BUT if I don't, then the good guys loose, too. I understand pooling the tips but a waiter gets a good tip if he gives me good service and a bad one if he doesn't.

I deal in a market where we keep our own. It makes things much more customer service oriented. If I'm unsociable, unfriendly, and rude, I won't be making any money.

Its unfortunate the majority of casino management doesn't see things this way.

As far as racial demographics go re: tipping, I've had Caucasians, Asians, Hispanics, and African Americans tip me very well. I've had Caucasians, Asians, Hispanics, and African Americans stiff me. It goes both ways in all areas.

Quote: PGBuster

I deal in a market where we keep our own. It makes things much more customer service oriented. If I'm unsociable, unfriendly, and rude, I won't be making any money.

Its unfortunate the majority of casino management doesn't see things this way.

As far as racial demographics go re: tipping, I've had Caucasians, Asians, Hispanics, and African Americans tip me very well. I've had Caucasians, Asians, Hispanics, and African Americans stiff me. It goes both ways in all areas.

Great, PG! I KNOW I'd tip more if it went to the person I'm tipping, not the big amorphous pool. So how does your casino assign you to a table? That seems to be the biggest worry from the dealers on this forum.

Quote: SOOPOO

Great, PG! I KNOW I'd tip more if it went to the person I'm tipping, not the big amorphous pool. So how does your casino assign you to a table? That seems to be the biggest worry from the dealers on this forum.

I've worked at two joints out here. They do it slightly different ways, but you never get assigned to a single table for the night.

The first joint I worked for (smaller property) had a dry-erase board posted in the pit. It would look something like this:

DD101
DD102
BJ103
PG104
====
RO101
TCP102
BJ104
BJ105
=====

And you get the idea. The ==== were when you were to take a break. At the top of each hour, the pencil (person running the schedule) would figure out what tables the outgoing dealers would be going to. They would then write these tables on a used deck of a cards. When you came in, you drew a card and that was your starting point. You simply went through the rotation the rest of the night. This eliminated any claims of favoritism and IMO is probably the best way to do it. You spent 30 minutes on a game and then went to the next one. This is also the only casino I've ever been in (an an employee or customer) that the incoming dealer doesn't burn a card.

At the second property (the biggest in the market) I work at, the pencil simply goes down the line on the printed schedule. If the first dealer out is going to BJ101 next, the first incoming dealer gets 101. You then follow the rotation. Its more than fair--every dealer gets a crack at the bigger tables (we're limited to $100 max due to CO gaming regulations) and every dealer has to deal the p.o.s. game we have called "3 card 21" (far different from 21+3), which I will soon post about in another thread. It all shakes out in the end.

I think it benefits the dealers and the players two-fold: If you're a fan of me and my style, you can reward me as such. If you don't like me, you don't have to tip me. Dealers don't get stuck on a crappy game for eight hours, which is a benefit as well. When I last worked in a pool joint, there was nothing more demoralizing then getting stuck on Caribbean Stud for an entire shift.

Quote: avargov

Don't attractive females dealers rotate out every 20 mins? They sure seemed to when I was playing the tables. Kinda like my waitresses, here one minute, gone the next!

It's more like 2 minutes. The older fatter guys last about 134 minutes. It really sucks.
Once, while playing blackjack, I had a cocktail waitress that I thought was very attractive. I only order sodas, so I can't blame my following action on intoxication. However, at one point, I decided to tell her that I thought she was very attractive. I didn't ask her out or anything, just mentioned how beautiful she was. I noticed that she switched areas, so that she wasn't serving me anymore. Man, what a slap. Anyway, now I use that knowledge to my advantage. If I have an unattractive waitress, I tell her how absolutely beautiful she is and how we could make pretty babies together. She then switches. I keep doing this until I get an attractive waitress, and then I shut the heck up.

+1
That is the way the world works, and gets tipped... eugenics. LOL

Quote: konceptum

I didn't ask her out or anything, just mentioned how beautiful she was. I noticed that she switched areas, so that she wasn't serving me anymore. Man, what a slap

Don't you know, talking to a woman above your station is a crime? It doesn't matter how non threatening you are -- if you're ugly and you talk to a pretty woman, she's allowed to be prejudiced about your motivations and the blame for her bigotry is on you for not knowing any better.

... anyways, lots to go over here as I'm late to the party.

#1) It makes perfect sense for card counters and advantage players to not tip. I'm certainly not going to call it cheating as I see no moral judgment against making smart decisions. However, even the most jaded card counters would admit that they are working outside the intended operation of the system -- I suspect most advantage players would say that with pride, in fact. So, if you're operating outside the system anyways, not tipping is also operating outside the system, so why not?

And as others have pointed out -- if you tip a reasonable percentage of your profits, you get treated as being as cheap or worse than if you just stiffed, by a majority of dealers. If a small tip makes an AP look worse than no tip, what AP WOULDN'T simply tip nothing and improve both bottom line and public image?

#2) Anyone operating inside the system? I.E. any recreational gambler knowing that they are willingly bucking a house edge in return for entertainment, should be tipping. The big problem is, because you have a few enormous "Georges" that tip at egregious rates and the vast majority of players are stiffs, you have a HUGE distortion in a dealer's mind as to what represents a reasonable tipping rate.

This is combined with the fact that very few dealers can estimate the "cost" of gambling. It's easy to calculate tips as a percentage off of a restaurant bill, so it's easy to codify an adequate percentage tip. If you used similar methods with casino tipping, you will quickly run into dealers who have no concept of just how much you're tipping.

Myself, that's what I do. If you're at a casino that comps you well, I tip 100% of my expected loss; if it's a strip casino where you can play $50 a hand at blackjack for 8 hours and get half off an overpriced buffet comp and nothing more, I tip 50% of my expected loss. This is a higher percentage than a waitress, but the dealer spends much more time at a gambling table than they would at a dinner table.

In an effort to circumnavigate those who might question my honesty and then call me needlessly obtuse (rather than rightfully apologize) when shown to be in error, I would say that Paigowdan can vouch for this, based on my last trip to his casino. He can also vouch for the number of times I, all the same, got hustled for tips. In about 30 solid hours of play, I got three soft hustles and a blatant "can you put full odds instead of racetrack odds on our line bet?" despite tipping several times more than all other players at all other tables combined. I think it's part of a weird dealer mentality to hustle the moderate tippers rather than work over the stiffs, since they've already written the stiffs off as cheap but I can be "trained".

Which brings me to my next point:

#3) Do as close to 100% of your gambling in a "keep your own" state.

100% really is the optimal amount. I've told anyone who is willing to listen about how awesome Washington State is for table game players. Not just because they are only allowed table games in the city, but because the dealers keep their own tips and MAN OH MAN does it make a difference in quality, in part because of #4 below. And it's a bit of planning to get there, but you can get there cheap enough, even if you don't want to stick to the Sea-Tac area. Even from Winnipeg (and all its isolated glory) I can get to Smalltown, WA with a $250 three-hopper if I plan far enough in advance.

#4) Some of you have the right idea with this, but since you don't have the necessary blood-thirstiness about you, let me spell it out plainly: if you get hustled for tips in any way -- soft hustle, hard hustle, mutter under the breath -- color up and leave when the current hand is done. If you're stuck mid-roll at craps, take down all your odds and optional bets, get those colored up, and wait for your contract bets to resolve.

Do it without comment. Do it without confrontation. Take the passive-aggressiveness out of their gesture and throw it right back in their face. They know full well what they did, they know full well how impolite it is, and if you leave immediately, they'll know full well why. If they press you for an answer, hold the line strong: "I just don't feel lucky at this table" or "I'm just not lucky when you deal to me". Bam. Nothing says "you can't continue this debate" like presenting an argument too illogical to debate.

When combined with #3, you reduce the likelihood of being hustled by future dealers down to approximately 0%. You get a hustle, color up and go to the next table over immediately. Even if the game is the worst game ever played, play it. When the hustler bumps into this table, if you like the next game over and like this dealer's company, follow him; otherwise, go back to the table the hustler immediately made you vacate.

All the while, keep tipping at your rate, confident that none of it is going to a bad cause. And when he has a miserable day (as all dealers that rude should have), and his co-workers talk about how good their days were (in part because you were getting them at around $15-$20 per hour), it just might make a connection between his bad behavior and tonight's bad outcome.

At the Isle once a dealer did not thank me for the try, twice in a row at a Bj table. No more tips for him. I knew most of the dealers
and told the next dealer what I thought. He said the new guy was from AC and not used to casual dealing at Blackhawk.

Just so happens as I was leaving , I saw the AC dealer coming back from break. Seems like a nice kid, so I told him why I stopped tipping. He thanked me.

But hustle me for a tip, or worse do an asinine windmill delivery to somebody who has the first card of a side bet, and you have seen your last dollar from me!

Quote: PGBuster

I've worked at two joints out here. They do it slightly different ways, but you never get assigned to a single table for the night.

The first joint I worked for (smaller property) had a dry-erase board posted in the pit. It would look something like this:

DD101
DD102
BJ103
PG104
====
RO101
TCP102
BJ104
BJ105
=====

And you get the idea. The ==== were when you were to take a break. At the top of each hour, the pencil (person running the schedule) would figure out what tables the outgoing dealers would be going to. They would then write these tables on a used deck of a cards. When you came in, you drew a card and that was your starting point. You simply went through the rotation the rest of the night. This eliminated any claims of favoritism and IMO is probably the best way to do it. You spent 30 minutes on a game and then went to the next one. This is also the only casino I've ever been in (an an employee or customer) that the incoming dealer doesn't burn a card.

At the second property (the biggest in the market) I work at, the pencil simply goes down the line on the printed schedule. If the first dealer out is going to BJ101 next, the first incoming dealer gets 101. You then follow the rotation. Its more than fair--every dealer gets a crack at the bigger tables (we're limited to $100 max due to CO gaming regulations) and every dealer has to deal the p.o.s. game we have called "3 card 21" (far different from 21+3), which I will soon post about in another thread. It all shakes out in the end.

I think it benefits the dealers and the players two-fold: If you're a fan of me and my style, you can reward me as such. If you don't like me, you don't have to tip me. Dealers don't get stuck on a crappy game for eight hours, which is a benefit as well. When I last worked in a pool joint, there was nothing more demoralizing then getting stuck on Caribbean Stud for an entire shift.

I can certainly see that working out really well for a large casino with a lot of tables and a lot of action. But what about smaller casinos, and what about 2am on a Wednesday morning? If tables are closed down, does that rotation just shift around? Do you just grit your teeth if you 3 of your four tables are dead? What about a morning and afternoon shift, when things are slow, compared to the evening shift on say Fridays. I think a lot of people would be getting stiffed where I work, since it's pretty small. So is it different where you work?

Also, what about craps crews? Craps can be very much hit or miss on getting tips. Once a former dealer came in and was betting all kinds of middle action for us PLAYER CONTROLLED. When it hit, he would parlay ours but collect his. If ours hit again, he would parlay AGAIN. When I was on the table I saw maybe $100 worth of action for the dealer, but we didn't get to collect anything, because he kept parlaying. This is kind of a prick move, because MOST of the time we aren't getting anything. But again, just one of those hits, and we get to drop several hundred.

I worked at a property that split the tips, half pooled and half kept. Craps wasn't extremely popular here, nor was high limit blackjack, but that was our rotation for the night. I think the toke box had less than $200. So at a place like that, they would pretty much have to take out craps, or not convert to a full kept tokes kind of place. Same where I work now, we pool all, but it would be pretty tough finding craps dealers, since about 90% of the time the tips would be less than $1/hr/person.

How often did you ask, " who wants to go home early ? " and did you get many volunteers?

If a dealer went home early, was he penalized when the tips were pooled ? Like less hours = smaller share !

Quote: buzzpaff

...or worse do an asinine windmill delivery to somebody who has the first card of a side bet, and you have seen your last dollar from me!

I'm curious as to why this is bad. You might not like it, but I assure you the vast majority of casual players do. They tingle in anticipation as they get a Queen of Hearts and the dealer shows a ten or ace, to use Lucky Ladies as an example. Isn't this just giving good service? Wouldn't this be what a sidebet junkie tips for?

Screw that. I want to play BJ, not watch some chump being catered to. Sidebet junkies are for the most part jerks..
Telling me I should have played the sidebet, and how much I would have won, if only I was that smart. I will head to the first open seat I see, just so I won't tell that junkie what I think of his suggestion.

Must be getting nice in my old age. LOL

Quote: buzzpaff

Screw that. I want to play BJ, not watch some chump being catered to. Sidebet junkies are for the most part jerks..
Telling me I should have played the sidebet, and how much I would have won, if only I was that smart. I will head to the first open seat I see, just so I won't tell that junkie what I think of his suggestion.

Must be getting nice in my old age. LOL

Fair enough. Just trying to offer the insight as to why the dealer is revolving the potential service conflict between your desires and the loose side-bet junkie's desires in favor of whoever is tipping better.

Who said the side bet jerk is tipping more? He is usually just being an ass and the dealer is pimping for the house.

The dealer is not resolving anything. I consider such behavior as unprofessional.

Perhaps our resident dealer expert, the honorable Dan Lubin, will comment ?

My particular case was with Wheel of Madness and a windmill delivery every time the chump had a 10 or an Ace up.

Then if he did get a BJ, we sometimes had act 2, if the dealer had a 10 or Ace up.

Then drag the spin button out, hand it to the player, and watch all that stuff too.

I have absolutely no problem with a dealer entertaining on a possible big hit, flirting with the ladies, peeking at a down card and rolling his eyes, etc.

But that windmill delivery, even at a mere 65 hands per hour ( I suck at math ) means I have to watch the windmill

25 times an hour and the spin shit at least once a n hour.

Quote: buzzpaff

Screw that. I want to play BJ,

Most places have bj tables without side bets, .not watch some chump being catered to.

Quote: buzzpaff

Sidebet junkies are for the most part jerks..

That seems like a pretty broad generalization.

Quote: buzzpaff

Telling me I should have played the sidebet, and how much I would have won, if only I was that smart.

So your solution is to punish the dealer for being assigned to a table that happens to have a player playing in a way you don't like when you have the ability to get up and change tables at will but the dealer doesn't.

I will stay until the dealer starts a windmill delivery or some other bullshit.

As for the generalization, there has been many posts here about sidebet junkies telling the poster he should always bet pair-plus.

Finding a BJ table without a side bet is getting harder and harder. Some have multiple side bets.

Since I am going to Vegas on short money, and I do mean short ( LOL ) ,I intend to see how many BJ tables have no side bets, limits, etc at several casinos.

No Exhibits on Monday at G2E.


In Blackhawk at the Mardi Gras casino, and others probably, the dealer has to say , BUST BONUS anyone , and wait a few seconds

before playing out his hand on a Buffalo Blackjack table. Half the tables there have that side bet. I finally talked the rest of the table

to agree we were not playing it ( they were not already) and gave the dealer a break.

Quote: buzzpaff

I will stay until the dealer starts a windmill delivery or some other bullshit.

A lot of times dealers are told to do such things and it's true that the sidebet crowd like it. Your stance seems to me like threatening to boycott McDonalds if they ask you one more time if you want fries with your meal. It's often not truly optional for the dealer.

Quote: buzzpaff

As for the generalization, there has been many posts here about sidebet junkies telling the poster he should always bet pair-plus.

Well, that certainly makes it true then.

Quote: buzzpaff

Finding a BJ table without a side bet is getting harder and harder. Some have multiple side bets.

Ok, but they are still available. And sounds like in your case they're probably worth seeking out.

Quote: buzzpaff

Since I am going to Vegas on short money, and I do mean short ( LOL ) ,I intend to see how many BJ tables have no side bets, limits, etc at several casinos.

No Exhibits on Monday at G2E.


In Blackhawk at the Mardi Gras casino, and others probably, the dealer has to say , BUST BONUS anyone , and wait a few seconds

See, you're making my point for me. I mean, hey don't tip if you don't want to, but to say you're not doing it because the dealer is doing something they're made to do is a little ridiculous.

Quote: buzzpaff

before playing out his hand on a Buffalo Blackjack table. Half the tables there have that side bet. I finally talked the rest of the table

to agree we were not playing it ( they were not already) and gave the dealer a break.

I do variations of this all the time. If I'm dealing to one guy and I know he doesn't want insurance, I still have to wave my hand back and forth for the camera, but I'll either do it and say nothing, because I know he's sick of hearing it, or I'll say something completely different to try to get a laugh. Most of the time I would think you could get a dealer to cooperate with you if no one wants the thing being offered. I normally try to get my table pumped up by getting excited for them if they get a bj or hit to 21, but one night I had a guy say he didn't want any attention drawn to the table so please don't do that, and so I didn't. He ended up being a decent tipper and I was happy to give him what he wanted. Maybe you just need to speak up and politely ask for what you want, you might be pleasantly surprised and get it.

Quote: buzzpaff

I will stay until the dealer starts a windmill delivery or some other bullshit.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a windmill delivery?

Quote: JB

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a windmill delivery?

It's a fancy "show" style of pitching cards that adds nothing to the game.

I almost always deal craps and Pai Gow, and the poker variants, and when I deal Blackjack (about once a month or so), I pitch cards like a poker dealer, to the player without an extra show. Windmill cards on a poker game, and guns come out.

I was once told by a floorman, "you pitch cards like a poker dealer," and I said "Thank you."

Have you tried waving your arm slowly over the table to decline insurance and saying Peace Be With You.

And the dealer responds....

"And also with you..."

Sometimes adding, "I am not worthy to receive a Blackjack, but only say the Word, and I shall...not have a blackjack..." [paraphrasing from the Roman Catholic Liturgy]

If you feel it should be taken that far...

Again, this is all windmilling....

Edit: I once made the Sign of the Cross when dealing Three Card Poker to a player begging to get a three of a kind or a straight flush to recover the car payment she blew (playing the hand blind), and the hand she had was three of a kind 6's, when opened for the take-and-pay. I was actually spooked by this. So was she, but she took the money. This was the LAST time I did any such thing of this manner.

Quote: JB

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a windmill delivery?

Is this the same thing as "helicoptering" the card, where the dealer throws it in the air at a rate of revolution speed? Like how magicians throw cards after they appear to pluck them out of thin air.

Quote: Paigowdan

I once made the Sign of the Cross when dealing Three Card Poker to a player begging to get a three of a kind
...
and the hand she had was three of a kind 6's.

You call for God, and get the Devil.


Love it!

Quote: DJTeddyBear

You call for God, [Three Card poker hand of 666] - and get the Devil.


Love it!

I believe it. I made a facetious calling-out to the heavens on a gambling table in jest, and got a poke in the eye warning from the other side. It was a warning to keep God's things and man's things separate, and I now keep my gambling shenanigans strictly secular. IT is. I can't imagine what the "Counting cards for Jesus" thing is all about, but I say, don't even think of going near that. Linda Blair is your date and fate for tonight. Shoot, my head spins....

Ibelieve the windmill delivery is when the dealer dramatically winds his arm around
in an arc so that it come over his shoulder height?
So annoying when it's a bust or a problem card,
Not so annoying When it's a score.
Not earning him any extra tips regardless.

I understand the dealer has to ask for insurance, but Bust Bonus anyone on every single hand. Talk about cruel and unusual punishment !

Quote: WongBo

Ibelieve the windmill delivery is when the dealer dramatically winds his arm around
in an arc so that it come over his shoulder height?
So annoying when it's a bust or a problem card,
Not so annoying When it's a score.
Not earning him any extra tips regardless.

That's a windmill delivery. Some jerks even pause it at the top for added suspense. Give me a break !

" See, you're making my point for me. I mean, hey don't tip if you don't want to, but to say you're not doing it because the dealer is doing something they're made to do is a little ridiculous. "



If I can't afford to tip, I can't afford to play. I don't believe any dealer is instructed to do a windmill delivery. NO WAY !!!

I can't even remotely believe you guys are serious!

I don't really play the BJ SB's, but I love it when someone who does gets the Windmill delivery, I like to give a little, "Here comes the pitch," if I know that the dealer has a tendency to perform thee windmill delivery. I especially like it with the ever-so-slight hover, builds suspense, even though I already know it's a win because they generally only hover if they have already seen the card and know it's a winner.

I was playing $5/hand BJ once and had bought-in for $100. After two hours, I had exactly $100. I said, "Ok, getting tired," and threw $50 out there for the next hand to leave myself the Double/Split if needed and walk away with $50 if it just ended up being a regular loss. The first card out was an Ace, and I don't know how the dealer knew, but he goes, "Here comes the paint!" BOOM! King of Spades! He gave it th old windmill with the hover at the end, and you know he got that $25 toke!!! I still left with $150.

Back when Super 7's was really big [I know I am dating myself with this one :-) ] some of the more entertaining dealers would windmill the hit card to a hand with a pair of sevens, with the small hover and a very big flourish if it was a winner. A twist would be peeking and then slipping the known winner under the shoe with a grimace, feigning the pull of another card out of the shoe and then nonchalantly turning the winner. Particularly effective for the suited sevens ($5,000) win.

As has been mentioned often on this board, gambling for many if not most is entertainment. The more entertaining dealers seem to enjoy their stints at the table more and got toked better in my observations.

It doesn't matter either way for me. However if the antics are really slowing the game down I get aggravated and leave.

The only suspense i care about at BJ is when the count is gonna get to +3 so I can get bank.
I try to avoid games where side bettors are slowing down the game. I need hands per hour, not friends.

Quote: buzzpaff

" I don't believe any dealer is instructed to do a windmill delivery. NO WAY !!!

Most dealers are instructed to not bring the card above the shoe...with that said, a lil "flair" sometimes gets overlooked. If I ever see one of my dealers take a card "above his/her shoulder", I would flip out and prob give them the night off. lol

I see both sides of this, a dealer who is fun, but keeps the game moving is great. Boring dealers are well...boring. Dealers that talk too uch and do "flair" too much get on my nerves too.

The best dealer is one that makes you" forget" you just lost that bet and has you saying "that was fun".

You guys seem to be missing the point. You have to get a BJ to Spin the Wheel of madness. This chump had a dollar out each and every hand. Think about it. Say 65 hands an hours. 25 times he gets a possible BJ first card. 25 asinine windmills, all with a pause at a top and some remark like AW or So close on each miss. Then the chumps actually gets a BJ and we get more drama if dealer's up card
is a BJ possibility.

Then stop the game, hand the excited chump a spin button, watch him just miss 100 to one and get a whopping, huge, payoff of $10 or $15. Yeah, that really adds an excitement value to the game !

Buzz, i was just speaking in general and about the question to "dealers being told to windmill or not".

I agree, if the game already has an element that is going to slow it down (for both sides) , there is no reason to make it even slower.

Quote: ShiftyRicky

Most dealers are instructed to not bring the card above the shoe...with that said, a lil "flair" sometimes gets overlooked. If I ever see one of my dealers take a card "above his/her shoulder", I would flip out and prob give them the night off. lol

I see both sides of this, a dealer who is fun, but keeps the game moving is great. Boring dealers are well...boring. Dealers that talk too uch and do "flair" too much get on my nerves too.

The best dealer is one that makes you" forget" you just lost that bet and has you saying "that was fun".

This was in Blackhawk, with $5 min-max limits. Dealers would put the 5 you did not take an on your 16 and say " Oh My. "
And other such antics. No problem with entertaining or outright flirting with the ladies by a dealer. Hell, It is supposed to be fun.
Even at a $5 min-max I have seen people get 86'd as counters LOL Or the cut card put at more than 1 deck from the rear in a
Double deck game. ROFLMAO. Hell, why even use a cut card !

But a windmill delivery Get Outa here .

Quote: buzzpaff

You guys seem to be missing the point. You have to get a BJ to Spin the Wheel of madness. This chump had a dollar out each and every hand. Think about it. Say 65 hands an hours. 25 times he gets a possible BJ first card. 25 asinine windmills, all with a pause at a top and some remark like AW or So close on each miss. Then the chumps actually gets a BJ and we get more drama if dealer's up card
is a BJ possibility.

Then stop the game, hand the excited chump a spin button, watch him just miss 100 to one and get a whopping, huge, payoff of $10 or $15. Yeah, that really adds an excitement value to the game !

Are you sure you got 65 hands an hour with all that nonsense? It sounds like a soft hustle to me and I'm thinking that it probably works.

Yeah, 65 hands cause most other players would only play a couple of hands and leave. Me, I was in a black mood and wondering
what the Black Hawk jail looks like.

Let me clarify that. He was doing a 20 minute shift I think. Nobody could do that phony shit for an hour. A nice Asian dealer was next
in line for that table, so I was not about to leave. her name is Pineapple. Anyway 15 minutes seems like an hour. During last 5 minutes I had to resist the urge to grab that card at top of windmill and after plucking it away, holding in front of the chumps eyes and saying " It's a six, asshole.

Quote: Paigowdan

Edit: I once made the Sign of the Cross when dealing Three Card Poker to a player begging to get a three of a kind or a straight flush to recover the car payment she blew (playing the hand blind), and the hand she had was three of a kind 6's, when opened for the take-and-pay. I was actually spooked by this. So was she, but she took the money. This was the LAST time I did any such thing of this manner.

I was once at a Three Card Poker table, and I kid you not..... This lady got 6-6-6, and she got up and ran out of the casino before getting paid on it! She didn't want that money at all! Kinda shocked me. I'd never turn down money that I won because of how the cards read.

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I was once at a Three Card Poker table, and I kid you not..... This lady got 6-6-6, and she got up and ran out of the casino before getting paid on it! She didn't want that money at all! Kinda shocked me. I'd never turn down money that I won because of how the cards read.

Yeah, superstitious hocum. I have a few, but heaven, hell, god or satan aren't among them. 666 is nothing but a number. I'd have taken it gladly.

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Yeah, superstitious hocum. I have a few, but heaven, hell, god or satan aren't among them. 666 is nothing but a number. I'd have taken it gladly.

Me, too. Right after making the sign of the cross. Never hurts to play the odds.

Quote: buzzpaff

During last 5 minutes I had to resist the urge to grab that card at top of windmill and after plucking it away, holding in front of the chumps eyes and saying " It's a six, asshole.

Sometimes I wonder if I get a good ROI out of all the time I put into keeping up with this board (and I probably only read about 40% of the posts). And then I read something like this and I know it's time well spent.

Thanks buzz.

Quote: ewjones080

I can certainly see that working out really well for a large casino with a lot of tables and a lot of action. But what about smaller casinos, and what about 2am on a Wednesday morning? If tables are closed down, does that rotation just shift around? Do you just grit your teeth if you 3 of your four tables are dead? What about a morning and afternoon shift, when things are slow, compared to the evening shift on say Fridays. I think a lot of people would be getting stiffed where I work, since it's pretty small. So is it different where you work?

First off, my apologies for answering your question half a year later. I really should visit these boards more.

In Black Hawk, CO, there's about 15 casinos, eight of which have table games. Some of the smaller properties have relatively few tables--one of them, the Gilpin has about six. The point you brought up is the one downside to keeping your own. Bad weather or a slow night in general and you're pretty much screwed.

Although I work at the largest one out here, we have the occasional dead table.

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Also, what about craps crews? Craps can be very much hit or miss on getting tips. Once a former dealer came in and was betting all kinds of middle action for us PLAYER CONTROLLED. When it hit, he would parlay ours but collect his. If ours hit again, he would parlay AGAIN.

To help alleviate this situation, there is a 10-20% tipout ratio to craps dealers at most casinos out here. At my place, its 18%.

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I worked at a property that split the tips, half pooled and half kept. Craps wasn't extremely popular here, nor was high limit blackjack, but that was our rotation for the night.

Did this happen to be the Meskwaki casino in Toledo, IA?

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The first card out was an Ace, and I don't know how the dealer knew, but he goes, "Here comes the paint!" BOOM! King of Spades!

I know of dealers that can count cards on the game.

Quote: FinsRule

My point is that casinos are making enough money that they don't need me to pay their employees salaries. The casinos should pay them more, not me.

If restaurants don't make enough money to pay their employee's salaries, I'd rather them raise prices so I don't have to tip.

Wouldn't everyone love to go to a casino, or any business that said "We pay our employees a fair salary, so please do not add gratuity. If you are especially pleased with your service, please let a manager know so that employee can be recognized"

It was my impression that casinos as an aggregate lost money in 2012 and the previous 3-4 years in Nevada. Yes/no?