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Nareed
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July 25th, 2012 at 9:07:55 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

Tipping is just a clever way employers pass there labor costs on to there customers.



Seriously? And those bussinesses where tips are not customary pay their employees with money they did not receive from their customers?

I really can't understand people who pass up, or wish to apss up, the opportunity to pay for a service what they deem it to be worth. I do that all the time. Here and there you run across a waiter or a dealer or a barista who make an extra effort to provide a better service. Such things would die if tips were not a part of the equation. Of course I always make sure to tip better when the service is better, but also to tip less when the service isn't as good.

What dealers and waiters should understand, and I think the better ones do, is that they're not entitled to a tip. Only once in my life did I not tip a waitress at least 10% (if memory serves, that time the tip approached 4%), but whether I'll tip more than that depends entirely on the quality of such service.
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July 25th, 2012 at 9:17:59 AM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

It doesn't matter if you think you should tip. You don't tip cashiers (except at cafés, but that really is optional) because it's not traditional. If it's customary to tip, and you don't tip, that's tantamount to stealing, and it's customary to tip dealers.



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July 25th, 2012 at 9:25:43 AM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

If it's customary to tip, and you don't tip, that's tantamount to stealing, and it's customary to tip dealers.



C'mon Man! Seriously?!?!
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July 25th, 2012 at 9:46:47 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Some dealers feel you're obligated to tip after receiving a good hand. One dealer inparticular I know will pay with pink $2.50 chips instead of $5.00 in hopes you will give it to her. And if you don't, she will complain under her breath, but so you can hear, about it. These people have no business working in these jobs.



Don't you love the sense of entitlement? Next time do what I do and give the pinks to a fellow player for a side bet or to the waitress even if you haven't ordered anything.

If my base bet is green, I don't appreciate being hustled with pink chips and I will put a stop to it.
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July 25th, 2012 at 9:57:00 AM permalink
While tipping has good points, in US it has reached the point where not tipping people in some service industries is considered tantamount to a slap on the face.

Whether it's good or bad depends on whether you think a customer should have the option of slapping waiters on the face - including accidentally or through just being a stingy cheapass.
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July 25th, 2012 at 10:07:32 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

That's a lesson in circular logic.

Once every service person achieved the quality level of service to the point where they were all getting tips, you'd be back where we started from.



Yes, and if that was ever the case, and it will never be, then everyone deserves a tip. As it stands right now, however, everyone is expecting a tip regardless of the quality of service and I think that a majority of us do tip because it is "customary" and we are too embarrassed to go against custom or we are too nice to figuratively "slap" some one in the face.
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July 25th, 2012 at 10:21:47 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Of course I always make sure to tip better when the service is better, but also to tip less when the service isn't as good.


My only issue with this is that, in most cases, the person receiving the tip doesn't actually know WHY they are receiving a tip of less than the normal amount. For all they know, this is what you would normally tip.

What I mean, if it's not clear, is say that you are at a restaurant, and the service is sub-par. You decide to tip 9.2%. Your intent is, "I'm tipping you less than the 'customary' 15% so you will know that your service was sub-par." Unfortunately, it's more likely that the wait staff will get the money and think, "What a bitch," or think, "That lady has no idea how much she should be tipping." We don't normally leave our sub-par tips with a note saying, "By the way, you didn't ask me for a refill on my drink, nor did you check on me to see if I wanted dessert, and thus I'm leaving you a lower tip than I normally would."

If you don't tip a dealer at a casino, the dealer doesn't know that you aren't tipping because they weren't friendly. They are more likely to chalk it up to the fact that you don't know dealers live on tips, or that you are just a cheap skate, or that you lost your butt and thus don't want to tip.

With regards to wait staff, I've often wondered if a good idea would be to ask to speak to the manager. Explain to the manager the lack of quality service from the wait staff, and then say, "Because of the lack of service, I'm declining to tip the wait staff. I'll leave it up to you to explain the situation and/or make up their tip out of your own pocket."

I tend to eat at places where the service is what I'm looking for. I also tend to tip better than most people. I've noticed that when a new waitress starts at a place I frequent, one of the existing waitresses will be sure to notify the new person to "treat me well." While it's nice that my reputation precedes me, we can't always expect that to be the case, especially if we're going someplace new.
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July 25th, 2012 at 10:29:56 AM permalink
I have a friend who is a hairdresser. When I got married years ago she gave me a wash, wax, full treatment haircut as a wedding gift. A fifty dollar value so, not too shabby. When I thanked her for her generosity she said: "you can still tip me". WTF? What happened to the gift? And how could someone be expected to tip for any "gift"? And besides all that, I think the common expectation is to tip a hair stylist if they work at the shop but not the owner. (I could have that wrong) And she owns the salon.

Needless to say, neither my wife nor I have been back to her place of business. And yes, I tipped her 10 bucks. Her husband is one of my oldest and dearest friends so they are still on the friends list. But if something happens to that situation, I'll never speak to the bitch again.
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July 25th, 2012 at 10:30:14 AM permalink
On my last day in vegas I had breakfast at Dupar's very early. I'd gone to try their pancakes, which is their specialty and supposedly "the best in America." So I ordered the smaller pancake serving on the menu. The waiter suggested I try a combination platter, with pancakes, sausage and eggs, explaining the pancakes are really big and I may not want that much.

That was thoughtful of him and what I call great service. I did take up his suggestiona nd he was right: that's a lot of pancake :) I tipped him 20%. had I rejected his suggestion, I'd have tipped him perhaps a bit less, but over 15% anyway because he tried to do more than just take the order and serve the food. It's those little things that make a visit to a restaurant better, not just whether the wiater gets the order right and is prompt bringing over drinks or extra napkins, or condiments, etc.
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July 25th, 2012 at 11:36:51 AM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

It doesn't matter if you think you should tip. You don't tip cashiers (except at cafés, but that really is optional) because it's not traditional. If it's customary to tip, and you don't tip, that's tantamount to stealing, and it's customary to tip dealers.



Wow! Brainwashing really does work. "Tantamount to stealing" huh? I don't think you understand that there is absolutely no such thing as entitlement in the world of tipping. I'll be damned if I'm going to tip dealers who complain openly about having to do their jobs, about having to deal a minimum rate table, about how their customers don't know how to play, etc., etc. I've experienced all those things. I even had a dealer tear a card so he could stop dealing a $5 BJ table in the wee hours of the morning since he knew they would have no replacement cards at that hour!! Dealers like that get nothing from me, ever. I've had dealers who made me laugh so hard I had tears coming down, and tipped them generously even though I was getting a bad beat at the time. Tipping is optional, period. If a dealer makes my experience more entertaining, or they are especially helpful, I'm happy to tip them. But I will never ever be guilted into tipping just because they "graced me with their presence".

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