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rxwine
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July 25th, 2012 at 2:17:03 PM permalink
Quote: P90A

tip is exactly that - a gift.




Doesn't the IRS consider tips wages? (I don't know, truthfully_but I thought they did)

Or am I just mixing up your point?
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July 25th, 2012 at 2:24:38 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Doesn't the IRS consider tips wages? (I don't know, truthfully_but I thought they did)

Or am I just mixing up your point?



I don't think he means a gift in that sense, he means it in the, "Thank you," sense.

The IRS does require that you report your wages as tips, and if there is any person who reports all of their tips of their own accord, I've got a great game for them: We each flip a coin simultaneously, wins pay 3:2 but tails for the player loses automatically and all ties go to the house.
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texasplumr
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July 25th, 2012 at 2:29:48 PM permalink
I guess I'm weird but I've always a casino and especially Vegas a place that pretty much operated and survived on tips. I go for entertainment and if I'm being entertained I have no problem tipping for it. It's only money and if I have to choose who I give it to I'll choose the dealer, wait person, Concierge, even the Cabbie over the conglomerate who own and operate the casino. Besides, I'm giving them plenty already.

And housekeeping especially. My sister worked in housekeeping when my niece was small and she was a single parent. I figure one of them might be in the same boat she was in.
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4andaKicker
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July 25th, 2012 at 2:30:27 PM permalink
This topic was on the tipping of dealers only, not waiters and cocktail waitresses. These are apples and oranges. I always tip people in food service, but the amount of the tip sends the message about how well they did. The key difference I see is that virtually everyone deals with waiters and waitresses on a daily basis at restaurants. We do not (by and large) interact with casino dealers to that level and I say there are no social mores around this. The rules are not set for dealers, and the circumstances and service expectations are vastly different than it is for waiters and waitresses. I tip dealers when and if they provide an enhancement to the gaming experience. If a dealer shoots cards at me out of the CSM like a machine gun, doesn't say a word to me other than "Insurance?" and seems to derive genuine pleasure from seeing people lose, I don't see that as an experience that deserves a reward. My home casino also has the policy of splitting all the tokes up with the entire shift, so you can't even reward the good dealers and punish the nasty ones as we should be able to.

24Bingo:
Sure you're right about not paying them to do nothing. You are doing worse than that by providing positive reinforcement tipping dealers who give you a bad experience. I'll tell you what, since you like the nanny state way of doing things, why don't you take into account that I don't tip the nasty and/or obnoxious dealers and give more when you gamble to cover this "theft"? This reasoning seems to fit right in with the welfare model we are already compelled to observe: rewarding worthless lumps by giving them free support with our tax dollars.
aceofspades
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July 25th, 2012 at 2:30:48 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

I tip dealers generously if they're friendly and attentive, and am happy to do it. I'm a dealer myself.
Dealers make minimum wages plus tips, and the tip salaries are not great at all except at exceptional casinosike Caesars Palace.
Tips generally come from players' winnings, and if it weren't for tips, casino operators would have to raise wages - by raising the house edge on games.




I disagree about raising the House Edge - there become a point of diminishing returns as far as how high the House Edge will become before the casino loses their upper level players ( I am not talking about WHALES - who will always have special rules) - I am talking about the, for example, Diamond level player at a Total Rewards casino - I, for one, do not play with anything less generous than 6D, S17, DAS, DOA, 3:2 BJ - if they start to mess with this in the high limit area - I will refuse to play at all.
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July 25th, 2012 at 2:34:18 PM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

It doesn't matter if you think you should tip. You don't tip cashiers (except at cafés, but that really is optional) because it's not traditional. If it's customary to tip, and you don't tip, that's tantamount to stealing, and it's customary to tip dealers.




YIKES!!! Tantamount to stealing???

If something is optional, such as tipping, then how can it ever be tantamount to stealing?

If you are basing tipping on winning, then you are equating the dealer with winning rather than service - the argument for tipping should be rather, if service is great, I will tip - meaning, ultimately, that whether you win or lose at the table should have no bearing on whether you tip a dealer (i.e. a friendly dealer who you thought gave excellent service and was attentive to your needs at the table (quick change, quick coloring, grabbing a waitress for you, etc.) should be tipped even if you lost your bankroll whereas a mean-spirited, curmudgeonly dealer should not be tipped even were you to win BIG)
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July 25th, 2012 at 2:35:07 PM permalink
Quote: texasplumr

And housekeeping especially.



About that, what I don't get are people who justify not tipping housekeeping if they only stay one night. The usual reason reads "If I stay at a hotel only one night, I'm not making use of housekeeping." The only way I'd buy that is if the room wasn't cleaned and made up before they entered it. But I've never found that to eb the case. So housekeeping left you a clean room with the bed made up and toiletries/coffee replenished, and that's using their services.
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24Bingo
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July 25th, 2012 at 2:39:34 PM permalink
Quote: 4andaKicker

24Bingo:
Sure you're right about not paying them to do nothing. You are doing worse than that by providing positive reinforcement tipping dealers who give you a bad experience. I'll tell you what, since you like the nanny state way of doing things, why don't you take into account that I don't tip the nasty and/or obnoxious dealers and give more when you gamble to cover this "theft"? This reasoning seems to fit right in with the welfare model we are already compelled to observe: rewarding worthless lumps by giving them free support with our tax dollars.



I have said repeatedly that it's all right to withhold tips in the case of bad service. Stop tilting at windmills. And I reiterate, this attitude of "if the cops don't say I have to, I don't have to!" is exactly where the "nanny state" comes from.
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July 25th, 2012 at 3:32:21 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I don't think he means a gift in that sense, he means it in the, "Thank you," sense.


Yes, I meant from the customer's standpoint. It's what the word stands for.
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4andaKicker
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July 25th, 2012 at 3:54:42 PM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

I have said repeatedly that it's all right to withhold tips in the case of bad service. Stop tilting at windmills. And I reiterate, this attitude of "if the cops don't say I have to, I don't have to!" is exactly where the "nanny state" comes from.



Ok, then we have no argument. If I think a dealer doesn't deserve a tip, I can withhold it without you judging me to be a criminal. Thanks for your magnanimous gesture!

I disagree with you on the origin of the nanny state. I think it is the sum result of generations allowing their right to the pursuit of happiness be usurped a bit at a time until such point that the government believes they have the fundamental right to regulate every aspect of our lives rather than just providing us a safe place to live them. Pretty soon, we won't be able to choose what temperature our thermostats are set to, but hey, it's all for our own good, we can't be trusted to make any decisions for ourselves....like whether someone should be tipped or not. You should get in touch with your legislature. Requiring tips be just mandatory fees would make them lots more tax dollars. I'll bet they would love your idea of babysitting us in that manner.

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