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Beardgoat
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July 25th, 2012 at 9:13:50 PM permalink
Doesn't tip a cab driver? dude must think every cabbie owns his car....
Nareed
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July 25th, 2012 at 9:21:20 PM permalink
I'd like to do a survey. All the people posting about disputes regarding dealers' actions, like getting a card when they signaled stand, or being passed over, or not getting a card when signaling hit, do they or don't they tip?
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
24Bingo
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July 25th, 2012 at 9:44:22 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Taxation without representation was customary
Female genital mutilation is customary
Slavery was customary
etc
etc
etc



All right, then. Live your life as though they aren't/weren't, and see how it works out.

Pocket taxes you've collected from others, since the crown doesn't deserve them.
Go down on a woman in the exact manner you would if she were whole, since she should be.
When you encounter a slave, act as though he had the wages and freedoms of a hired hand, since he should.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
aceofspades
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July 25th, 2012 at 10:04:24 PM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

All right, then. Live your life as though they aren't/weren't, and see how it works out.

Pocket taxes you've collected from others, since the crown doesn't deserve them.
Go down on a woman in the exact manner you would if she were whole, since she should be.
When you encounter a slave, act as though he had the wages and freedoms of a hired hand, since he should.



Uhmmmm - I think you missed the point, which was "merely because something is customary does not make it right or moral"
24Bingo
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July 25th, 2012 at 10:24:43 PM permalink
If you think that point needed to be made, you missed the point.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
rainman
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July 25th, 2012 at 10:25:10 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Quote: zippyboy

Quote: Paigowdan

I was talking about tips with a floorman who works as a dealer at another property, discussing those players who constantly say, "I would TIP if I WERE WINNING -" like dealers have the option to stack the cards or swap in loaded dice.


This is exactly my point. Tipping will not get me better cards. I never cuss the dealer for bad cards, and I never credit them for good cards, but I sometimes tip a buck, though I resent it. When I win a pot, it could be because I played it well and has NOTHING to do with the dealer at all. Why should the dealer get a buck because I raised preflop with my 63 offsuit and played it aggressively and won. Nothing at all to do with the dealer. I laugh at the sheeple who want to look like whales and tip extra for no reason.

When I leave the poker table, a always say "Good luck everyone" and leave quietly.



Zippy, you don't tip "for better cards," and for that matter, the waitress doesn't cook the food you eat either, - and so tipping her won't get you better food.

You tip for the service provided, if you want to, or feel it merits it.

The people who provide face-to-face service to the general public generally have real hard jobs that require a good deal of work: waiters, dealers, drivers, etc.




Hard jobs? I did construction for12 years the jobs included hanging sheet rock and concrete foundation work. Im struggling with what you perceive to be a hard job. There are a lot of people in this world doing hard jobs. No offense but casino dealer, wait person, cabbie,I'm thinking wouldn't be close to the top of the list if there was one.
zippyboy
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July 25th, 2012 at 10:51:54 PM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

You'd make an excellent king in a desert.

Whatever you think of it, you're gambling in a place where it's expected that dealers will be tipped, and the world around them is set up for them under the assumption that decent service gets tips. In the UK, by all means, stiff 'em, but here, while you're giving your beautiful exhortations to "think for yourselves," you're living in the real world, and screwing over your fellow humans. Sure, it's an arbitrary tradition, but when you get right down to it, they all are, and yet, when they've become entrenched, you don't have to like them, and you don't even always have to follow them, but you can't pretend they're not there, and if you don't follow them, you can't pretend not to be doing what you know you are. Especially at the poker table (or in a cab), the only difference between what you are doing and picking the dealer's pocket is that you won't be arrested, and if that's the basis of your morals, fine. From your rants that boil down to "I tip when it directly and obviously helps wonderful, beautiful me!" I get the feeling that's not far off.


Wow, how articulate. Not. But you get an "A" for your copious use of commas. Condense it, put down the pipe, and get back to us with an eloquent argument anytime.
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Paigowdan
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July 26th, 2012 at 1:38:41 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

Hard jobs? I did construction for12 years the jobs included hanging sheet rock and concrete foundation work. Im struggling with what you perceive to be a hard job. There are a lot of people in this world doing hard jobs. No offense but casino dealer, wait person, cabbie,I'm thinking wouldn't be close to the top of the list if there was one.


It actually is, as many people are NO treat to deal to. Extensive "People Work" on a minimum wage salary is not easy, and it is not a stuggle to see this. Now, I don't deny that some of the hardest jobs involve manual work, but I was speaking of extendedly dealing with people for long periods: dealers, cabbies, waitresses. Sheet-rocking/brick-laying/foundation work is skilled work and requires labor, but it doesn't require people skills, and while doctors and lawyers do deal with people directly on important matters, they decide their fees and/or make $300/hr plus; banker tellers deal with people for moments at a time, like a casino cashier or a fast food counter-clerk, whom I don't tip.

Basically, my tip list for good service is:
1. Waiters/Waitresses/Maitre D's/Bartenders;
2. Dealers/Valets;
3. Cabbies, unless obnoxious, or are taking the long way to pump the meter;
4. Delivery guys/installers/movers;
5. Housekeeping staff;
6. Plumbers/Electricians who do a great job, and finish ahead of schedule with a good clean-up.

I don't tip:
1. Counter clerks;
2. Doctors/Lawyers; I tip by referrals;
3. Gaming mathematicians; I tip by referrals;

Tipping is customary, yes, but it is not taxation without representation, because you are dealing with, interacting with, and have the captive audience of your waiter or dealer or cabbie for extended periods. Tipping is certainly not compariable to female genital mutilation, or slavery, or trial with no due process, or any other "customary process" of more savage societies, as it is an optional but customary gratuity consideration, - and to be lumped into such catagories as a claim to discredit a reasonable and optional custom, - is a little out there.

Clerks are generally not tipped, and professional classes bill as they see fit, and are not tipped because they write the bill.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
98Clubs
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July 26th, 2012 at 2:13:02 AM permalink
Having to (being forced in some way) tip IS ridiculous. Whining about tipping in general is equally ridiculous.

It seems that Donald Trump and Gov. Lowell Weiker had a luncheon in Manhattan. After discussing the new Indian Casinos and the State Income Tax, the Donald offered the Guv a ride back to Hartford. The guv agrees and they leave. On the way back to Hartford, when passing through Bridgeport on I95, the Donald takes a breifcase full of 10's and 20's and tosses all the money out. When the get to New Haven and turn north on I91, Trump takes another briefcase full of bills and throws bunches of money out the window. Weiker is taken aback by this, "Why are you throwing all that money outside?"

"Ya know Lowell, sometimes you have to keep the little people in this world happy, toss money around, donate to charity."
"Geez, mind if you throw a few bucks my way?", and chuckles.
"Tell ya what Governor, when we get to Meriden, I'll throw you out, and make many people happy." -- circa 1991
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
Paigowdan
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July 26th, 2012 at 2:32:50 AM permalink
Quote: 98Clubs

Having to (being forced in some way) tip IS ridiculous. Whining about tipping in general is equally ridiculous.


A call to conscience is not coercion. But a dealer or waiter making some comment at a table is out of totally out of bounds. Looking cheap is total silience is more than enough. As for whining, it is equally ridiculous, yes. Either you tip or you don't, but making excuses, apologies, or no apologies for it is unnecessary.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.

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