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teddys
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July 26th, 2012 at 4:02:54 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

As it works out, pooled tips still have an incentive effect of helping dealer's attitudes.
First of all, all gratuity income is known to be based on courteous service, so that incentive always remains, pooled or not.
Secondly, dead-beat dealers hear from the hard-working dealers about "stepping up service - as you're killing us all."

I was talking about tips with a floorman who works as a dealer at another property, discussing those players who constantly say, "I would TIP if I WERE WINNING -" like dealers have the option to stack the cards or swap in loaded dice.

The last thing I ever do it worry about tips. I figure, if I pay attention to my game and my players, the tips take care of themselves, - and they do.

Most people in a casino aren't poor, though many may be cheap, but it is not something to ever worry about so as long as you take care of your table and your players. Comes with the territory, what else is new.

Great attitude. If only every dealer were that way.

I've posted my views on tipping. Not a fan. I tip when I lose. Just the other day, I got absolutely creamed at Spanish 21. The poor dealer looked really sad. I reached into my wallet for extra bills for a tip. You better believe that made an impact. When I was playing later and a player was dropping $25, I didn't tip.
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July 26th, 2012 at 4:26:30 AM permalink
Not tipping does not equal cheap. I don't feel a blackjack dealer is tip worthy.
I don't tip the bank teller, grocery store cashier/bagger, and so on. Is that cheap?

I don't let other people decide who I should tip/not tip.
I think for myself and make my own decisions.
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4andaKicker
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July 26th, 2012 at 12:18:08 PM permalink
I stand by my statement earlier that there is NO such social more in American society making tipping "customary" in casinos. The gambling environment has only existed for about 60 years. The vast majority of people do not go to casinos on a regular basis. I've never run into a person who didn't know that you always tip waiters/waitresses, but I've seen plenty of people who had no idea what kind of tipping they should/could/would do in a casino. I see people stiff the CWs at my home casino all the time. I don't think it is because these people are mean or cheap, but rather because they don't know they should tip those people.

I believe tipping dealers is and should be totally optional. If they make you happy tip them, if they make you unhappy, don't. Part of the reason I rarely play BJ these days is because the majority of dealers have a major attitude problem where I play. They clearly don't like us (the players) and some of them actually light up with glee when they deliver a bad beat. I'm against the philosophy of entitlement Bingo24 is preaching here. Dealers don't deserve a tip just by virtue of their presence. I think they DO deserve a tip if they are friendly, animated, and do their job well. I have always observed this sort of tipping with dealers. Somewhere along the line, many of the nice pleasant dealers fled the scene at my casino it seems. I think it has to do with the splitting of tokes which I don't think they did a few years ago, but I could be wrong about that. I just got a survey from my casino and I intend to complain about their policy of splitting tips. They should let the dealer who earned the tip have that money!

Part of the spirit of entitlement being pressed on us is "we are screwing over our fellow man" when we don't tip. I say that is a load of bull. If you have a valid reason not to tip, then it is the dealer who has screwed himself over by performing poorly. When I learned at a very young age that there is no free lunch, and you do have to EARN your way through life, I can still remember my mother laughing and saying, "don't be silly by expecting life to be fair". Life isn't fair to anyone, and if you work in a service job, where tips are important, you best better do that job well if you ever want to have decent earnings.
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July 26th, 2012 at 1:29:24 PM permalink
Quote: zippyboy

I see your point Dan. But, we don't tip everyone in the service industry, do we? Why don't we tip the Vons checkout girl who interacts with us pleasantly? Why don't we tip the bank teller, who just hands us our own money, same as the cash cage attendant? The spa masseuse wants a tip, but not the car mechanic? I have to tip the barber but not the mailman? Tip the waitress at the diner, but not the cook? Why is that? How can I keep it all straight? There's no continuity or reason to it at all. So I urge all of you to think for yourselves and not follow some dumb "custom" just because others do it. Think for yourselves.

For the record, I believe in tipping people who I'll see often and provide a friendly service, and can deny service if I don't tip. CWs are tipped of course, and restaurant waitstaff because I don't want her to ignore me when my iced tea needs refilling next visit. I know the waitress doesn't cook my food, but she shares that tip with the cook and busboy, or is supposed to anyway. I tip a barber I see often because I don't want him to snub me or give me a shoddy job next haircut. I don't tip a taxi driver. Why would I? I pay for a direct route, which I may not even receive, he may be excessively talkative or tell racist jokes trying to gain my graces, and I'll never see him again anyway...gotta be the biggest waste of money tipping a cabbie. I feel the same about dealers. They have a job to do, and I don't care if they're nice to me or not. If they suck at it, they won't have a job for long. And it's not MY responsibility to supplement their salaries! To all you people who think it's stealing not to tip must be spineless wimps too afraid to assert yourselves. Or rich. Dan, you're different being a dealer yourself; I can understand your motivation to inspire others to tip, but it's a waste of money to tip dealers. I DO tip a poker dealer on occasion when the pot is big, and we've built up a relationship because I'm there a lot, but I resent it.



Zip:

This statement above?

Tells me everything I need to know about your position.

You will tip those that it is customary to do so, and that you will continue to interact with, so they do not percieve you as the cheapskate that you are.

And everyone else will just get stiffed, because they don't know who you are.

That has a way of coming back around in life, when you least expect it.

PaigowDan said it best, if he takes care of the table, the tips get taken care of, and 10% pays for all the stiffs.

If your $10 is that important, then sobeit.

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July 26th, 2012 at 1:31:50 PM permalink
Quote: 4andaKicker

Life isn't fair to anyone, and if you work in a service job, where tips are important, you best better do that job well if you ever want to have decent earnings.



But don't expect 4andaKicker to help with that decent wage...

Sheesh.

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July 26th, 2012 at 1:52:54 PM permalink
Interesting and enlightening thread. I'm not going to complain about the ones that don't tip or whatever, I usually do pretty well when it comes to getting tips so I must be one of the better dealers that seem so rare. But I did want to address this quote because I hear it from a lot of people and I don't agree.

Quote: 4andaKicker

They should let the dealer who earned the tip have that money!



While on a good night I'd LOVE to be able to keep my own tips, there are some nights when I don't do nearly as well, AND it's not really my fault. For example, if I end up on mini-bacc for several days in a row I could easily end up having to decide if I'll pay my rent or buy food the next month. The fact of the matter is, where I work the Bacc players just don't tip well. As you might have guessed from my screen name I deal Bacc quite often. Put me on snapper on a Fri or Sat night and I almost always bank $1k in tips, but I don't have any control over my destiny in that regard, I go where I'm assigned. So to me, even though I might miss out on a few really awesome nights (I've had 20+ black chips in my box on occasion), it helps to give my life some stability that the tips are pooled. And I especially came to appreciate this when I worked graveyard when sometimes I'd stand a dead table for hours.

One last thing for the anti-tippers to think about... I've had tips stolen from me on more than one occasion. The most blatant, and rare was right out of the toke tube on the table. I reported it, but apparently nothing could be done about it (I even used the paddle trick to make it easy for surveillance, but still... nothing). But the worst, and it's happened more than once, is a player that places a bet for the dealer then snatches it up saying that wasn't their intent. I've personally lost several hundred dollars in tokes this way, and it's not because I'm slow picking them up. When I'm doing the pay and take, and I pay a toke, I immediately pull it back to close to me and say my thanks for the tip. I believe it's greedy players that didn't think much of a $2.50 toke bet on 21+3, but when it turned into $22.50 wanted it back. The first few times I called the floor over because I was incredulous at such an outrage, but I was told that if they didn't want me to have it, they could keep it.

As (I think) PaigowDan said, 10% of the players give us 90% of the tips. If you're not a tipper and you're not getting the very best experience maybe, just maybe, it's because we're people too and we give the very best service to our best customers.
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July 26th, 2012 at 2:29:20 PM permalink
Tipping = Communism
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July 26th, 2012 at 2:32:45 PM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

Tipping = Communism



I think what you're looking for is:

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

But it's been a while, so I may have these mixed up.
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4andaKicker
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July 26th, 2012 at 2:49:12 PM permalink
Quote: SFB

But don't expect 4andaKicker to help with that decent wage...

Sheesh.

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I don't see how you come up with that conclusion. I expect performance for pay, simple as that. I've had periods in my life where I got excellent performance reviews, 9 out of 10 in a system that doesn't allow 10 out of 10 and not gotten a raise for years at a time. Life isn't fair. Raises, like tips, are optional, and I'd just love to see you make employers fork them out when they don't want to. I earned my way with no help from anyone to what I have. I have little sympathy for people who just want handouts like they are some kind of hobos.
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July 26th, 2012 at 2:51:28 PM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

If you think that point needed to be made, you missed the point.




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